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    The Vosper 46โ€ RAF Crash Tender Kit By Vintage Model Works
    by mturpin013 ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    ๐Ÿ“ Back to the plan
    14 days ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Iโ€™ve been pulled away from my original plan and spent too much time on smoke machines and spinning water monitors that Iโ€™ve neglected to finish the hull. The basic painting of colour is done and now only needs lacquering. Before I started applying the livery I gave the hull a light rub down with 1500 wet & dry to get rid of any pips and to give a sound surface for the final coat of lacquer and give a sound base for the livery.
    I took on board a comment that Rob made about the use of the โ€œwater slideโ€ transfers supplied, in that the depth of white pigment in the transfers made them look slightly dull, and with the trial I found the transfers were also delicate to say the least. I decided to go ahead with the vinyl alternative because if applied carefully and correctly they will look nice enough.
    The process was first to cut out the block of vinyl that carried the FIRE text, followed then by cutting the individual letters out but leaving the waste as a frame for positioning the letters on the hull. So marking out the position of the โ€œEโ€ on the side of the hull and measuring the obligatory 3 TIMES then marking this on a piece of masking tape (at this point I left the job alone for a couple of days, the relevance of which will be seen later), the frame was then taped in position and the letters applied in the appropriate position and lightly pressed down using a finger and pressing from the middle of each letter to make sure all the air was expelled.
    At this Point while I had the boat on its side I started to apply the water line starting at the bow and working backwards, I managed to apply it over the chine without any problems apart from the tape not sticking on such tight corners, however persistence paid off and pressing the line repeatedly back in position the line seems to have stuck fast. I managed to work the line around the hull in one piece finishing back at the bow.
    So now to remove the frame, โ€œOh dearโ€ or words to that effect, before the final pressing home of the vinyl I realised to my horror that the word FIRE was too far forward , I had placed the frame with the letter line on the wrong side of the โ€œEโ€. Note donโ€™t leave a job half way through.
    I decided to remove the letters which were unusable and contact Mike Cummings to see if he could supply another set. Unfortunately he hadnโ€™t any stock, and was waiting for new ones to be made, so an alternative was sought, I went to my local model shop and purchased some very lightweight vinyl covering called โ€œORATRIM white. On measuring the two vinylโ€™s, the supplied material was 0.0023โ€ thou thick and the new material was only 0.0001โ€ thou which would be better on the hull surface. I cut a set of letters and went through the same application process as before (right side of the line) and on closer inspection I found the new material was a better, brighter white and felt better on the hull. Another plus was the fact that the original vinyl was printed on so in fact wasnโ€™t solid white vinyl and as such was very delicate when pressing down and liable to scratching the white off. The new material was solid vinyl and as such is much more durable and Iโ€™m very pleased with the results.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to the plan
    14 days ago by robbob ( Captain)
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    Hi Mike.
    As you know, I had some minor disasters when lettering and lining my boat and I found that the vinyl ones are so much better than the waterslide type. Once you have lacquered the hull do leave it upturned and allow the lacquer to dry and harden for as long as possible before putting the boat on a stand as it can take on "pressure" marks from the foam or felt pads quite easily. Paint sprayers use an infrared heater to help cure the finish I believe.
    Keep up the great work ๐Ÿ‘.
    Rob.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to the plan
    14 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    "Paint sprayers use an infrared heater to help cure the finish I believe."
    So do I Rob, either IR or a 300W halogen lamp.๐Ÿ‘
    The latter helps to see what I'm doin' as well ๐Ÿค“
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to the plan
    14 days ago by figtree7nts ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Michael,

    Outstanding Workmanship!

    Cheers, Ed
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to the plan
    14 days ago by Martin555 ( Rear Admiral)
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    Hi Mike,
    โ€œOh dearโ€ or words to that effect"
    I bet the air was blue!!
    Excellent work.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to the plan
    14 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    "Oh Sh..............ugar!"
    All's well that ends well Rob ๐Ÿ‘
    Bit puzzled by your measurements though; 0.0023 thou, 0.0001 thou!?๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    Pretty thin๐Ÿ˜‰
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to the plan
    12 days ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Sorry Doug one "0" to many
    Supplied was 0.0025" / 0.07mm
    Oratrim was 0.0015" / 0.04mm
    However on measuring various other bits of scrap trim there is a variance, but yes still pretty thin at 0.0015" - 0.001"
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    12 days ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    I take your advise on leaving the paint to dry, Its something I hadn't come across as all my spraying has always been done on old cars (using cellulose) and rarely are they put on a stand that contacts the body๐Ÿ˜Š.
    When I did my grandsons boat I was caught out with this, although I had left the hull to dry for some days but it still suffered from faint marking by the foam strips, so this time the Crash Tender has spent a lot of time upturned and will do when the lacquering is applied.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to the plan
    11 days ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant)
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    Hmmm. That looks really fiddly. Another job not to look forward to once I start building mine.
    Lovely job as usual Mike.๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ“ Water Supply
    1 month ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Much head scratching about the plumbing๐Ÿคฃ
    I mentioned that I may consider a separate water supply for the monitors as there were so many issues with it all being sourced from the propeller pic-up pipe, I tried with solenoid valves etc etc but there are too many issues about switching, water flow and future breakdowns in the system.
    So a separate water supply, however this has its own issues, firstly another hole in the hull mid-ship and a pick-up that wouldn't force water into the hoses when the boat is going forward, and being able to self prime the pump when stationary.
    I've come up with this design that fits on the underside of the hull (with some reinforcement) mid ship

    propeller pic-up pipe
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Water Supply
    1 month ago by Martin555 ( Rear Admiral)
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    I hope this nicely made pickup work better than expected.
    Looking forward to seeing it in action.

    Martin555.

    pickup
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    ๐Ÿ“ Back to smoke and mirrors sorry water
    2 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    As I said before I wanted to separate the smoke from the water so I have made an outlet that will be bolted into the transom that separates the two outlets, whilst appearing to exit through the same hole. First I machined the main body having an outside diameter of 10mm and internally an 8mm diameter bore which carries the smoke out.
    Into this 8mm dia there is a 5mm hole drilled at 90 degrees sideways and connects to a second body which is silver soldered to the main body, this has a 6mm entry pipe.
    The water is carried out through a 6mm tube which is soft soldered into the main body. Finally an outer ring was machined; it was drilled/tapped 10BA which will allow it to be fastened into the transom. I have yet to try this for real but I see no reason for apprehension!

    8mm diameter bore
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to smoke and mirrors sorry water
    2 months ago by Graham93 ( Warrant Officer)
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    Michael,

    Those look really smart. Looking forward to seeing them in action.

    Graham93
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to smoke and mirrors sorry water
    2 months ago by marky ( Commander)
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    Superb piece of engineering ๐Ÿ‘
    Cheers Marky
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    2 months ago by robbob ( Captain)
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    Hi Mike.
    Yet more precision engineering and a concept that should work quite well ๐Ÿ‘.
    Although I have a fear that this is going to turn out to be quite a heavy boat when she's finished ๐Ÿ˜ฎ.
    Rob.

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to smoke and mirrors sorry water
    2 months ago by Martin555 ( Rear Admiral)
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    Hi Michael,
    That is some extremely professional Engineering.
    You are truly a master at this sort of work.
    I am really looking forward to seeing these in operation.
    Well done.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to smoke and mirrors sorry water
    2 months ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant)
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    Super bit of engineering Mike.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to smoke and mirrors sorry water
    2 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    I wonder if a "blimp" would look OK, just to give that bit of extra support๐Ÿ˜
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to smoke and mirrors sorry water
    1 month ago by Rookysailor ( Lieutenant)
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    What a beautiful piece of engineering work Mike,๐Ÿ‘
    can I ask what lathe you do your work on.


    Cheers, Pete

    lathe
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to smoke and mirrors sorry water
    1 month ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Something like this Mike? ๐Ÿ˜
    Plenty of inspiration here-

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+with+blimp&tbm=isch&sou...

    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+with+blimp&tbm=isch&source=univ&client=firefox-b-d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj45POA7K7mAhVLExoKHZ8QA6IQ7Al6BAgEECQ&biw=1920&bih=955#imgrc=_
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to smoke and mirrors sorry water
    1 month ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Pete, I have a Harrison M300, In the past I ran the Leeds Engineering industry Training Board (EITB). When the industry Boards were "wrecked" and closed by the then government I had the job of selling all the centres assets, so I bought quite a lot of equipment as my job was/is my hobby.

    Doug that looks just the ticket
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    ๐Ÿ“ Scramble nets.
    2 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    I have to thank Rob for his trail blazing manufacture of his nets as it made the process of making mine much easier.
    I have made mine slightly different because early on in the build I decided to made the cabin roofs as flat and not cluttered as possible to make the painting and rubbing down much easier. So my rails that hold the nets to the roof are made to the same dimensions but are fastened to a sub board which can be attached via pre drilled pins at the very end of the build.
    I cut a board to accommodate a 6 x 9 net having a spacing of 23mm squares. I tied the longitudinal ropes (WARP)to the pins and then loaded the home made โ€œneedleโ€ which was made from a piece of 3 mm brass rod with a 2.2 hole drilled in one end to glue the rope into and the other end was machined to a point. Having loaded the needle I tied the end to a pin and started to tread the cross treads (WEFT) going through the warp tread until I had crossed all 6 warp threads and tied off on a pin at this point a dab of super glue sets the joint. This continues on 9 weft treads.
    The net has now to be fastened to the cabin roof rail and the pole at the bottom of the net. This โ€œpoleโ€ is a 3 mm dowel with holes drilled at intervals along its length. The ends are looped through the holes and back through a piece of black shrink sleeve making a secure joint. At the top a similar process of looping around the rail and securing with a piece of black shrink sleeve.finished the 1st scramble net.
    โ€œREPEATโ€ Sorry I forgot to show the board used to tie the warp and weft
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Scramble nets.
    2 months ago by robbob ( Captain)
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    Hi Mike.
    Great idea with the sub-board for the rails, I wish I'd thought of that ๐Ÿค”.
    Nice 'needlework' too.
    Keep up the good work.
    Rob.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Scramble nets.
    2 months ago by Rookysailor ( Lieutenant)
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    Lovely work Mike, what string did you use?๐Ÿ˜

    Cheers, Pete
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Scramble nets.
    2 months ago by Martin555 ( Rear Admiral)
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    Very nice work Mike.
    That must of taken ages to do.
    You have made an excellent job of it.
    Well done.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Scramble nets.
    2 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Pete, I used Twisted Cord Line Tie String Thread Yarn Fibre Poly Rope Polypropylene PP 2 mm. A bit, of a mouthfull I'm affraid,however it worked fine

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Twisted-Cord-Line-Tie-String-Thre...
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Twisted-Cord-Line-Tie-String-Thread-Yarn-Fibre-Poly-Rope-Polypropylene-PP-2-mm/172434875952?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
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    2 months ago by Rookysailor ( Lieutenant)
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    Many thanks for that link Mike, only thing is, they don't do colour brown, which I think would look better, so have ordered black, next best.๐Ÿ˜Š

    Cheers, Pete
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    ๐Ÿ“ Water system for fire monitors and ECS
    2 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    I have laid out all the various components on a building board, not necessarily in the correct orientation/position. The only thing I do know is that water needs to come out of the 4 pipes pointing into the tin.
    I have a caravan pump serving as a water scoop (to simulate the water pickup as the boat moves forward) any water going through the system into the tin is piped back into the container under the bench where the pump is.
    First thoughts are similar to others in that when the fire monitors are operated the water is drawn back through the exhaust pipes and sucks air. To try and solve this I have put some small solenoid valves in the circuit. But first test show that they restrict the flow too much so a larger valve? Or I think the easiest solution would be to put another entry opening in the hull somewhere near the pump just below the water line on the side mid-ship so the pump can be connected directly and be primed when the boat is at a standstill (anybody see problems with this?) I think the only issue I can see is that when the boats in motion it may force water through the pump โ€“ then the monitor result โ€“ drip, drip. I think a properly designed inlet, that when in motion the tendency is to draw the air out of the system and not force water in until the boat is at a standstill when the water should just flow in. I have designed another outlet (not shown) for the exit of the cooling water and hopefully the smoke which has the water coming out of the centre 6mm pipe and the smoke exits through the surrounding space between the 6mm pipe and the 8mm surrounding hole.
    (Ignore the black pump, top right, it was a first attempt at a water supply, itโ€™s a car washer pump, but not powerful enough)

    boat
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Water system for fire monitors and ECS
    2 months ago by Martin555 ( Rear Admiral)
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    HI,
    My thoughts would be to have the monitors separate from the exhaust system if you have the room for the extra pump.
    Or is there a reason you want to connect it all together ?

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Water system for fire monitors and ECS
    2 months ago by Graham93 ( Warrant Officer)
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    Michael,

    Nice to see a clear set up on the bench. Must make it much easier to work on than it will be once it is in the boat.

    I have also found that getting the monitors to work adequately is not as simple as I first thought. Iโ€™m still trying to find a solution. At present the flow from my monitors is quite underwhelming ๐Ÿ˜”. Have you found that the black pump in the bottom centre of your photo gives a good flow? I have just acquired the same model, but it has been too cold to go down to the workshop/shed to try it out.
    Graham93

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Water system for fire monitors and ECS
    2 months ago by jbkiwi ( Commodore)
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    These 12v pumps are pretty good Graham, just tried my one (ex cooling pump from the ST) and it will squirt water 3ft plus from a 3mm pipe. Quite cheap on Ali Express so 1 per monitor would be all you need (or 1 for 2 with say 2mm pipe. Feeds in and out need to be 3mm+ to reduce friction. I ran it on a 3s to try it with a 5mm inlet pipe. If you run it at 12v and you reduce the outlet to 2mm you will probably double the distance. If you decide to try one of these, make sure it is this model with the ribbed front plate shown, as they have a higher output than some others (1.5-2L/min.

    Found these work quite well as air pumps also, just a bit noisier (some advertise them as air pumps and others as water pumps- same thing.
    JB

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Water system for fire monitors and ECS
    2 months ago by jbkiwi ( Commodore)
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    Hi Mike, how about a couple of pick-ups at the transom (as shown on my HSL), but with one reversed (angle/ chamfer backwards) for the monitor pump which should work as a venturi rather than a pick-up like the other one (for water cooling pump etc) but at slow speed would allow pumping (pump in my reply to Graham is self priming and quite powerful - and cheap enough to buy a few spares๐Ÿ˜Š) You could put say, 3-4mm linear flow solenoids on your monitor lines to open with the monitor pump (or fractionally before to avoid pipe blow-offs, leaks etc)
    JB
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    2 months ago by G6SWJ ( Master Seaman)
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    Hi Graham 93,

    These pumps are great - they will self prime.

    I have slowed them down until the motor is about to stall and they still pump/prime with water source 1 meter vertically below pump

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sharplace-Water-Aquarium-Motor-Diap...

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    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sharplace-Water-Aquarium-Motor-Diaphragm/dp/B076PM94PX/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=370+Mini+Water+Aquarium+Pump&qid=1575304138&s=pet-supplies&sr=1-4
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Water system for fire monitors and ECS
    2 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Graham the black pump does in fact provide more than enough water through a 3mm pipe. The pump operates at 6 - 12 volts and at 12v I think its too powerful so at 7.2volt it seems about right. I have also tried modifying the output by inserting small twisted shims fitted down the centre of the pipe this gives the effect of spreading the jet into a more convincing fire jet rather than a simple straight sided jet. Ill try and capture this in a video.

    3mm pipe
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Water system for fire monitors and ECS
    2 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    JB believe it or not I have just had delivered the exact same pump today I have yet to try it. The inlet pipe idea is a good one and I am looking at designing somthig similar but to go Mid-ship so as to avoid long pipe runs.
    Martin, I think your correct, a separate system would be better, avoiding any valve requirements and possable starvation of the cooling system, its just the thoght of drilling a hole in my newly painted hull!
    Michael
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Water system for fire monitors and ECS
    2 months ago by Graham93 ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi Michael et al,

    This website is strange sometimes. Despite following your blog Michael I didnโ€™t get notifications for any of these recent pump posts so I missed them. Found them by chance today.

    As you may have seen in my latest blog post, Iโ€™ve used the black screen wash pump, on a 3S LiPo and it gives acceptable results. I think the pipework, especially through the body of the monitors, produces quite a resistance to the water flow. Bear in mind that my monitors are 1/16th scale so the passageway bores are that much smaller.

    Graham93

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    ๐Ÿ“ Painting continued
    2 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Iโ€™m not going to give details of painting blow by blow as itโ€™s as bad as watching the paint dry and Iโ€™m sure most people are aware of the amount of time the preparations for painting take. So here are a number of pictures of the painting process, sorry miss the red oxide and the deck pictures. The whole boat is now complete with colour and only needs lacquering which will be done after the transfers are applied.

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Painting continued
    2 months ago by robbob ( Captain)
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    That's a beautiful finish Mike, it makes all that careful preparation worthwhile ๐Ÿ‘
    Rob.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Painting continued
    2 months ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant)
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    Superb finish Mike. I just do not have the patience to do that. Perhaps when I retire and have more time.๐Ÿ‘
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    2 months ago by Martin555 ( Rear Admiral)
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    That is a fantastic Finnish on the Hull, well worth all the preparation work.
    Excellent workmanship.
    Well done.

    Martin555.
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    2 months ago by jbkiwi ( Commodore)
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    Very nice Mike!
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    2 months ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant)
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    Hello Mike.
    Please could you tell me what paint you use for the red oxide.
    Do you use an air brush for everything
    Thanks.
    Peter.

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    2 months ago by BOATSHED ( Midshipman)
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    That's an awesome finish, I take it you have sprayed it. I never seem to get a great finish like that. Always get a run no matter how careful I do it. So I use a brush and that's a terrible finish I find. Love it๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘.
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    2 months ago by BOATSHED ( Midshipman)
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    Hey, MouldBuilder. I have been retired now for four and a half years. I seemed to have more time for doing things back when I was working. Except decorating the house.
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    2 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Thanks for all the nice comment re the finish. I have to say - yes it does take an awful lot of preparation and to be honest I was also surprised at the final colour finish, it still will be flattened with 1500 wet and dry and then a final gloss lacquer after the transfers are added.
    Peter Red Oxide? is indeed red oxide and for its final finsh it will be lacquered with a satin finish I actually bought it from Halfords (Simoniz acrylic, see picture). For general information all the other paint work is in cellulose which I use a compressor and top fill spray gun similar to the one in the picture. I hope that helps.

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    2 months ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant)
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    Thanks Mike. That is a great help.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Smoker system
    2 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    I thought I might try the simplest way to produce smoke and just reverse the โ€œvapoursโ€ way of using a standard E cig unit. I was given a couple of units which were no longer needed and decide to modify the unit. I machined an aluminium ring which fitted around the air intake at the bottom; the ring has a groove machined internally to allow the air to circulate around the dual intake. A 4mm drilled hole which is drilled into the groove has a 4mm brass tube inserted. The brass tube connects a small pump via a silicon tube which blows air into the device. The battery pack will have to be modified to fit in the boat but this was just to prove the system. It produces more than enough smoke for my crash tender which will just have a scale amount of exhaust smoke, hopefully. I intend piping the smoke through the rear using a custom made water/smoke exit unit which keeps the two components separate, watch this space
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    2 months ago by jbkiwi ( Commodore)
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    Nice idea Mike, I'm assuming you intend using the whole battery unit and tank in the boat? (I'm sure you have plenty of spare room in your model for it) or are you going to run a remote battery using the original connector from the battery module as I'm doing?
    I used the same pumps (2 wired together) to try a smoke unit in my HSL, but even at 2v and all the covers on (the engine bay hatch has 5mm foam soundproofing) the noise is quite loud. What Graham and I have been trying to do is make these virtually silent and compact enough to fit in smaller models which is quite a task, as finding small, quiet readily available powerful air pumps is proving difficult. Graham already has a nice small unit and was lucky to find a decent pump which seems to work very well.

    Making the smoke is the easy part, but getting it to do what you want with no noise, ease of filling and maintenance, be compact and something everyone can build with basic tools and bits from the local hardware shop or LHS (and now by the look of it, vape shops) is the challenge. There are so many ways to go about this idea (quite a few on YT) but it's really great to see people coming up with such really good ideas.

    You might find that once you try to push the smoke/vapour down small tubes for a distance, that a lot of it condenses and not much comes out. I would suggest keeping your smoke tubes as large and short as possible to reduce this. I'll be watching your progress with interest. Eventually we all might combine the ideas and come up with something brilliant.
    JB

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    2 months ago by Martin555 ( Rear Admiral)
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    Hi Michael,
    I like that idea.
    I am assuming that you would just fill the tank with liquid then screw it in position and it's ready to go.

    Jb's idea of combining all of these ideas to end up with a simple easy to make and fit unit will be fantastic.
    Not only will us model makers benefit from it so will the Vape shops LOL!


    Martin555.
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    2 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    I think I will dismantle the battery unit as it is very heavy, the batteries weigh about 70 grams and the case is 150 grams so I am going to dismantle it and house it some other way, Its usefull to keep the electronics as you can vary the power output therefore the amount of smoke to a point where the boat would dissapear in a cloud of smoke.

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    2 months ago by jbkiwi ( Commodore)
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    That's what I've done with my latest smoker effort Mike, but just using the battery base plate to screw everything into and doing away with the fancy electronics. I think now's the time to start collecting old vape machine parts, (especially the screw in battery and tank bases etc) for future projects, while they can still be acquired free ? I'm lucky having 2 new vape shops just up the road to scrounge bits from.
    JB
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    2 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    JB your exactly right, I got mine from a friend who over time had worked his way through a number of machines until he found his comfort zone (machine) so I was the beneficiary of all the discarded ones most of which are very little used if at all. However as you say work to be done on silencing the pump unit, I have another pump on order to try, I post the results of it and the electrical bit.

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    ๐Ÿ“ Fire Monitors final fitting
    3 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Having trialled the various options for rotating the monitors I have decided to use the gears option. I am going to mount the servo in the roof. The cabin roofs have bridge pieces which are just about correct to mount some aluminium bars on which will carry the servo
    I have reinforced the inside of the roof where the base of the monitors fit as the roof is only made from 1/32โ€ ply, I use an aluminium disc - 25mm dia x 1mm thick . The monitor bases are fastened using three 8BA csk screws and nuts.
    (I must say at this point that people may wonder why I use BA nuts, bolts and screws and not metric, itโ€™s because I have a good range of all BA taps and dies)
    The aluminium bars are slotted to take the servo and allow for adjustment and again fastened using 8BA hex hd screws and the bars are attached to the roof again using 8BA screws and into the wood! (I have successfully used machine threads into wood of all sizes, this requires the wood area to be treated, I use a RONSEAL product that is for treating rotten wood, itโ€™s a very viscous liquid and soaks into the wood and after an hour or so it goes rock hard the tapped holes can then be clean up with a tap) I can adjust the fit of the gears to give a nice smooth rotation; all that needs to be done now is to design the water system.

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    3 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Nice one Michael ๐Ÿ‘
    I came to the same conclusion with the gun turrets on my H class destroyer.
    Primary drive is geared, secondary drive (e.g. X to Y turret) is pulley and cord.
    During the current refit I will probably change that to belt-chain drive, tank style, cos the cord tended to slip and the turrets got out of synch - until Y turret barrel crashed into the aft cabin / gun platform ๐Ÿค”
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž

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    2 months ago by Martin555 ( Rear Admiral)
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    Hi Michael,
    I think you have chosen to go with the best option.
    Less chance of something braking,
    Nice work.

    Martin555.
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    2 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Doug to stop any slippage try wrapping the cord around each pully once this gives 360 degrees grip on the pullys worth a try before making any major changes, if you look at the cord and spring option the fishing line goes twice round the pully,
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    2 months ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant)
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    That is very interesting about threading wood. I think a lot of us have learnt something there. Thanks Mike.๐Ÿ˜Š
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    2 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Thanks Mike,
    That's how I originally built it. That slipped as well.
    Then I found that green silico rubber like 'stuff', which can be easily cut to length and the ends glued with cyano. That worked OK, for a while, then started to slip. Maybe I'll have to rough up the small brass driving pulleys on X and Y turrets?
    "I think I'd better think it out again!"
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    ๐Ÿ“ Fire Monitors Part 3
    3 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Having created the โ€œrotatingโ€ monitors I have to deal with the rotation mechanism and since the design requires the central tube to rotate I have a few different options to consider, they include:-
    1 solid rod drive
    2 Belt driven
    3 cord driven
    4 modified servo
    5 gear driven
    Having looked at the rotation of a standard servo which appears to be about 170 degrees, if I want to have something in the order of 300/360 degrees there will have to be some sort of increase in end movement.
    Option 1- rod driven although very controllable itโ€™s limited to about 170 degrees otherwise it gets locked at either end of the cycle.

    Option 2 - Belt driven needed a couple of pulleys machined up this meant the large pulley was 50 mm dia and the small one was 10mm dia. The drive belt was an โ€œOโ€ ring. This option works very well and could be a possibility.

    Option 3 - Cord driven this system is simply a cord running from the servo arms round a 10mm pulley twice (to give some grip) but between the servo arm and cord is a spring to give some tension in the cord, again could be a possibility

    Option 4 โ€“ a servo modification (addition of resisters) servo this has already been shown by Graham and although an easy option for an electronics engineer a bit more difficult for me, but achievable. However for my configuration itโ€™s not suitable as I canโ€™t drive onto the end face of the rotating tube.

    Option 5 โ€“ Gear driven would need a pair of gears at a ratio of 10 teeth to 50 teeth and some modification to a gear to fit on the servo. This was the last option to be tried and looks as if it may be the best option. The rotation of 360 may be OK but from a practical point of view I donโ€™t need water spraying over the cockpit or front deck. So I decided to change the gear ratio to 30:10 this gives a rotation of about 280 degrees which I think gives a good spread of spray (see top view of deck).
    All the prototypes were built on scraps of ply and with an old servo. Having proved my system; I will now build it into the cabin roof in such a way that the gear ratios can be changed if required.

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fire Monitors Part 3
    3 months ago by Graham93 ( Warrant Officer)
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    Michael,

    Good range of options there. Nice to see them as prototypes. (I canโ€™t get the videos to play)

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    3 months ago by Martin555 ( Rear Admiral)
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    Hi Mike,
    All of your experiment work fine.
    I agree with you that using the gears definitely seem the best way to go.

    Martin555.
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    3 months ago by Rookysailor ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Michael, would love to see the videos, but I am having problems also playing them.๐Ÿ˜

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    3 months ago by jbkiwi ( Commodore)
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    To view the videos, click on the media file, click small arrow (in square) at top left (it will down load) check your download file for the video.
    JB
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    3 months ago by jbkiwi ( Commodore)
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    The gears look a good option Mike, you could use your TX for speed and end stop adjustments (If you have that option) rather than muck around with gearing.
    JB
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    3 months ago by Graham93 ( Warrant Officer)
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    JB,

    I did click the button to download the video, but it wouldn't play. Seems the problem is it won't play on my iPad. I have found it will download and play on a Windows PC

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    3 months ago by figtree7nts ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Michael,

    I got a chance to view your Videos.
    It's very impressive work!

    I like Option 2!
    It's just you would have to have a way to get to the pulley! In case the pulley would snap!

    On the other hand Option 5!
    Sounds the best of all!

    Keep up the good work!

    Cheers, Ed

    Hi all I downloaded Media player Codec Pack!
    Version: 4.5.4
    Use their viewer and you can see the videos!
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    3 months ago by Martin555 ( Rear Admiral)
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    Hi Graham93,
    I had the same problem some time ago.
    Some videos work and some do not.
    So I watch on my laptop now.

    Martin555.

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fire Monitors Part 3
    3 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    jbkiwi, the gearing is essential in that I can't connect directly to the end of the shaft as thats where the water connects, so even if I did alter the servo the rotation will still have to be transfered by gears, pulley or cord etc

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fire Monitors Part 3
    3 months ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant)
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    I think all of the solutions look good but the best does look to be the geared version. Really like the prototype setups.

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fire Monitors Part 3
    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi mturpin013,
    You are truly dedicated I am truly impressed, making 3 working prototypes, keep up the great work.
    Cheers, Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Fire Monitors Part 2
    3 months ago by mturpin013 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Some thought has to be given how to hold all these remaining parts, firstly I need to make sure that I can replicate an upward incline since there wonโ€™t be any up and down movement, only rotation.
    Here comes another jig, a simple block of ยฝ inch hardwood with the angle cut at 200 and the corner removed to allow all the soldering to take place.
    Carefully marking out a centre line I used small brass pins to hold the pre silver soldered pipes in position on the flat sides. I now used some clamps to hold the brass pipes in place, check all the alignments then flux is applied.
    Very gently apply the heat with a soldering iron until the solder flows, itโ€™s important to tack both ends of each pipe first on each side as at this stage the set-up is delicate to say the least and can be dislodged very easily. Then follow round to complete the joints making sure you donโ€™t overheat the whole assembly and melting the parts already soldered.
    Next I need to test for leakage, if all OK I can carry on to fettle the joints, I donโ€™t use files or abrasive paper to do this I only use a scalpel to remove any excess solder itโ€™s so easy and better results are achieved.
    This also applies to cleaning up the white metal fittings; the main posts need to have a better base with some sort of fastening arrangement made, so an aluminium piece is machined up with three holes for fastening to the roof, this was then epoxied to the main post.
    The next job is to make the handles, for this I used some 3mm plate which I cut some slices off with a slitting saw. In its raw state it is hard and needs annealing before bending.
    The pieces were all cut to length and then drilled in a jig to ensure all the pieces were exactly the same, I can now leave a drill in both the end holes which keeps the pieces together while they are placed in the machine vice with a piece of round bar at the back to give a nice radius.
    The handles need a cross bar with โ€œknobs onโ€ so a little bit of machining and then the assembly can be done.
    The handles are soft soldered in place at the correct distance; I now need to drill and tap 10 BA the main body pipes to hold the handles in place. When these are assembled they will be put together with some epoxy on the screws and between the faces.
    Whilst using the epoxy I can glue the white metal exit pipe in place, this now completes the assembly.
    Next a coat of etch primer followed by a coat of grey primer then finally bright red, these will be left to fully dry before I attempt looking at the rotary system

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fire Monitors Part 2
    3 months ago by Martin555 ( Rear Admiral)
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    You have done an excellent job, very nicely made, they look fantastic .
    well done.

    Martin555.
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi mturpin013,
    Exemplary workmanship, truly impressive.
    Cheers, Stephen.
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