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    by KenThompson ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ( Warrant Officer)
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    9 days ago by KenThompson ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi Nerys, thank you for the sails templates for your 30โ€ Thames barge.
    I will copy them and return them when you get back to Wales.
    Ken
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    8 days ago by Nerys ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Ken,

    No hurry for the sail templates, I haven't another 30" barge planned - at the moment. The shipyard is too busy with the 1/24 barge on the stocks at the moment, a planned stumpy barge and possibly a Dutch Schouw or Hoogars.

    See you soon.
    Nerys
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    8 days ago by KenThompson ( Warrant Officer)
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    No problems, talk when you get back. Iโ€™ll be interested to see what you have planed .
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    7 days ago by Nerys ( Lieutenant)
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    Ken. Have just seen the photos of your recently acquired barge on the V of G site and I'm not so sure what she is. Why don't you put up those photos on here and the AMBO sites, you will probably get a definitive answer.

    Cheers,
    Nerys
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    7 days ago by KenThompson ( Warrant Officer)
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    Good thinking Nerys.
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    6 days ago by Nerys ( Lieutenant)
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    Very pleased you've had an answer, Ken. I'd never looked at the hull in profile before, but it was then obvious she wasn't the notorious Celia Jane. She had be of finer stuff and I'm pleased Dave recognised her as one of the most famous barges of all time, the great Giralda.

    Nerys
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    5 days ago by tomarack ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi Ken,
    I've seen some of your conversation here. I'm sending you (via uschovna) some copies from some book concerning Giralda . I think it was about building a Kathleen model, where it was like a little Giralda sketch. So I enlarged it, etc and collect some next things.
    greetings
    Tom
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    5 days ago by Nerys ( Lieutenant)
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    Perhaps I will have to build the one that was intended to beat Giralda, ' Surge' - sure you are Giralda's equal. A revival of early 1900's racing at Cold Knap?

    Nerys
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    5 days ago by tomarack ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi,
    my model Capricorn was built according to modified plans by H.I.Chapelle -Champion class. (From the book by FGG Carr)Comparing the plan to the Giralda plan, I found that they were almost identical. But the drawing of the Champion class barge has a more detailed view of the ribs, so I decided to build this model. This plan you can find at net too.
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    4 days ago by Nerys ( Lieutenant)
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    Does 'Capricorn' still have those lovely coloured sails?

    Nerys
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    4 days ago by tomarack ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi,
    no, Capricorn never had a strange coloured foresail. It is Gusty Cat (in original Lady Daphne in 1:28 scale). I'm building another rarity now .. Piscataqua river gundalow in 1:24 scale,with a Latin sail (length of model is the same like GC), plan and description of model construction is in the book> American ship models

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    4 days ago by Nerys ( Lieutenant)
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    Sorry Tomas, I knew it was one of your barges that had different colour sails. I like the idea of your Lateen rigged gundalow. She reminds me of the Lateen rigged barges still to be seen on Lake Geneva in Switzerland although there is also a reproduction of a Lateen rigged rowing galley on there too.

    Nerys

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    4 days ago by tomarack ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi,
    gundalow reminds me of a large surfboard (about 20 m long). Commentaries say that on gundalows there is a Mediterranian influence (in terms of sails)however, sails began to be used on gundalows only in the second half of the 19th century. The most used were poles, oars and, of course, mainly the tides in the Great Bay of Piscataqua (New Hamshire-Maine area,USA).It was similar to barges, using the tides on the Thames river.
    First of all, I wonder how the model will behave on the water .. and how it will sail.. yesterday I started glueing a plywood deck. The most difficult thing will be to shape the bow and stern that have a spoon shape.
    I will mold it from extruded polystyrene, then the whole hull will be laminated.
    Tom

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    4 days ago by Nerys ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Tomas,

    I'm awaiting the results with interest, I love the unusual in traditional boats. I'm sure she will reach and go downwind well, but I'm not sure about that big Lateen sail going to windward. how will you get it around the mast when you tack, or won't you bother.
    I contemplated putting a lateen sail on a 13 metre boat once hung from a tripod mast, but ended up with a standing lug.

    Nerys

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    4 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    " I'm sure she will reach and go downwind well, but I'm not sure about that big Lateen sail going to windward. How will you get it around the mast when you tack, or won't you bother."
    Excellent Lieutenant Nerys ๐Ÿ‘
    As soon as the MB Site Navy has a Sail Training Ship YOU will be the first Captain!
    As an old oil smeared 'steamer' I'm constantly learning about the sailing days from your anecdotes ๐Ÿ˜Š
    Wish I'd had you by my side as I was confronted with the Pamir restoration back then!๐Ÿ˜‰
    Cheers, FLEET, (Doug) ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    PS: I only know Lug worms (๐Ÿ˜)! Do they really help with sailing!? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

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    3 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Tom,
    Please start a Build Blog.
    Your build and methods sound very interesting so please share with us๐Ÿ‘
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    Ahoj Tome,
    Spusลฅte prosรญm sestavenรญ blogu.
    Vaลกe sestavenรญ a metody jsou velmi zajรญmavรฉ, takลพe se s nรกmi Podฤ›lte ๐Ÿ‘
    Na zdravรญ, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    Hope that came out something like the English I wrote!๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    3 days ago by Nerys ( Lieutenant)
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    Well done Doug, your Czech is equally as good as your Welsh.

    Nerys
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    3 days ago by Nerys ( Lieutenant)
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    Lug worms indeed Doug. Don't you remember your Swallows and Amazons, they both had balance lug sails.
    There are standing, balance and dipping lugs and technically a gunter sail is correctly called a gunter lug.

    Nerys
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    3 days ago by tomarack ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi Doug,
    I have to confirm what Nerys wrote - you can use Google translator well .. (also translator helps me a lot).
    Shortly.. As to sailing with latin sail .. even though gundalow uses a Latin sail, when tacking does not put the yard to the leeward side. It is not necessary, before all there is at most a very small piece of sail in front of the mast.
    There are several ways of using the Latin sail when tacking.In Arabic ships, the yard is dragged to the leeward side, when tacking.but there is another option, and keep the yard on the same side.
    ย  Then we can recognize the main tack and bad tack, when the sail rests on the mast, and the ship sails worse.
    Specifically, at Gundalow, when the yard remains on the starboard side - the port tack is the main tack, and starboard tack is a bad tack,
    with respect to the sail area in front of the mast, the difference is negligible.
    This is just a brief piece of information, but the matter is more complicated. If you are interested, you need to browse some books, or enough information can be found on the site. There are a number of different types of Arabic ships, and each ship has its own specifics in terms of control.
    Today I glued the deck, taking photos during construction, considering a brief information, or a smaller article.
    Tom
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    3 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Ahoj Tomarack,
    "Hi Doug,
    I have to confirm what Nerys wrote - you can use Google translator well .."
    Actually I don't trust the Google translator.
    I use this one;
    https://www.translator.eu/
    I've tested both with languages I know fairly well and Google sometimes gives some curious results ๐Ÿค”
    Aลฅ se daล™รญ, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    https://www.translator.eu/
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    2 days ago by tomarack ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    hi Doug,
    you're right. As I wrote several times,Uncle Google's translator has primarily academic education, especially the translation of technical terms are in many cases unacceptable.
    I'd like to try the translator you mentioned here.
    Today I was with my Footy after a long time at the water. We have here completely April weather, Wednesday morning here freezing, this morning + 10 ยฐC, afternoon + 20 ยฐC...
    If the weather wil lbe nice tomorrow, I'll go put my next boat, Gusty Cat to the water .
    Gundalow..Gundalow.. I have glued the base of the deck from the Poplar plywood 3 mm thick. Now I will shape the bow and stern, then add to the hull laminated layer (GRP) and finally I will glue the deck boards.
    To tell you the truth, I had to persuade the new translator to translate the correct text and not think his own specific version of text ...
    greetings
    Tom
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