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    Robbe PT15 cabin and bridge..from scratch...
    by Cashrc ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    ๐Ÿ“ Up Before the Mast!!
    17 hours ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi yโ€™all. Got some really fun news Thursday. Iโ€™ve been furloughed ๐Ÿ˜ฎ! The company will keep paying my insurance, and I lose no seniority, but they are making temporary cuts across the board...so basically, I have a 30 day unpaid vacation. They want to try to get me back on board after that. Weโ€™ll see. Luckily I donโ€™t have a lot of bills, house is paid for, got a small improvement loan and the normal lot of utilities so weโ€™re okay, and I have one more check coming on the 10th. Soooooo....Iโ€™ll have plenty of time to spend with family, get some rest, and oh...BUILD๐Ÿ˜Š
    So, since this is the first time Iโ€™ve been unemployed, temporarily or otherwise, after I came home and commiserated with my wife, I decided to go to the bench and abuse some brass and plastic ๐Ÿ˜‚
    I did what I did with the original mast, substituted a 6 mm piece of CF tubing for wood. My main yardarm is a slight bit thicker than the first mast as I had to raid my stash for brass tubing. Took a couple of hours to cut, bend, fit, glue and solder but itโ€™s about halfway there. We binge watched โ€œThe Marvelous Mrs Maiselโ€ till 130 am, so Iโ€™ll be getting up about 9 am and start on finishing the mast tomorrow. Iโ€™ll post my progress.
    Cash
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Up Before the Mast!!
    17 hours ago by redpmg ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Sorry to hear about your work problem Cash - one wonders how many are in the same boat. At least you are taking a positive view of it . We are in pretty much the same situation as all Laser orders have stopped and better half's small business is closed for the duration - so both her part time employees have no income either.

    Do like the mast on the superstructure however - really good work there
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Up Before the Mast!!
    14 hours ago by marky ( Commander)
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    Sorry to hear about your work ,lots in the UK in the same boat ,if your furlouged here the government will pay upto 80% of your salary to a maximum of ยฃ2500 per month ,a bit more tricky if your self employed where the formulas a bit weird and difficult according to my brother.
    Stay safe and try to enjoy the time with your family.

    Cheers Marky๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Up Before the Mast!!
    14 hours ago by marky ( Commander)
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    Sorry forgot to say ,the mast and superstructure are looking great .
    Cheers again Marky๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Up Before the Mast!!
    13 hours ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Cash,
    I bet you are enjoying making this instead of assembling the kit.
    You get more satisfaction knowing that you made all of it.
    Really looking good.
    Well done.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Up Before the Mast!!
    13 hours ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Liked the work you've done there Cash๐Ÿ‘ but not the news๐Ÿ‘Ž
    The employment laws (or lack of them and social insurance) are the main reasons I turned down a transfer to the US, (Lake Success, Long Island, New York) in '87 and decided to stay in Munich.
    Never regretted it. Best of luck for the future๐Ÿคž enjoy your extended workshop time.
    Helps to take the mind off the damn bugs!โ„๏ธโ„๏ธโ„๏ธ
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    PS Message from Chief of Staff: Your fictitious salary as Sub Lieutenant in our fictitious Texas Navy Detachment will continue to be paid into your fictitious Cayman Island account for the duration of the emergency ๐Ÿ˜ FLEET//
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Up Before the Mast!!
    5 hours ago by mturpin013 ( Commander)
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    Goodish news on the job, but my advice is submerge yourself in the family and modeling, It will all come right eventually, keep smilling.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Fiddly Bits on the Roof...(yeah, itโ€™s a stretch)
    5 days ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi yโ€™all. Last day of vacation back to work Tuesday, so I gotta as much done this morning as I could. Made some holes in the back part of the bridge, these will let some light shine thru the tinted windows I will install later. I did the aft ones as access will be limited by the rails and mast. I just did holes in the very back and rectangular cut outs in the aft sides. I was going to forego this and just paint or decal the windows, but someone ( cough,cough,FLEET! cough,cough) convinced me otherwise.๐Ÿคฃ
    Anyway, got that done, then dug into my Cornwall care package and brought out the stanchions I ordered. They are Caldercraft units, look almost exactly like the originals, but the are just about a hair thinner, and the corresponding holes in the balls are smaller. Luckily I had some brass and piano wire the right size. I also ordered some ladder stock which I used. I loosely built up the rails, attached the stanchions and wires in their drilled holes, and made sure everything looked good before I caโ€™d the mess together. Where the upper rail, it down stanchion and ladder rail meet I soldered and put a drop of ca on to be safe. I then built and installed the two mushroom ventilators.
    Thatโ€™s almost it, save for a few things. Lights, mast, etc. a few things that arenโ€™t supposed to be grey will be added last. Iโ€™m very close to the first coat of Tamiya AS26 grey, once thatโ€™s on I can judge what needs a little more sanding, filling, and touching up before the second coat. Think Iโ€™ll have her done by late next week.
    Cash
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fiddly Bits on the Roof...(yeah, itโ€™s a stretch)
    4 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Whoooo? Li'l ol' meee!?๐Ÿ˜ฎ๐Ÿ˜‰
    Now that's what I call 'Pushing 'limits' Cash๐Ÿ‘
    Wasn't sure if you would risk it, but I'm sure you'll be glad you did - WHEN it's done and dusted๐Ÿ˜Š Especially if you illuminate the wheelhouse.๐Ÿ’ก

    BTW: Before you rush into your first coat of Tamiya grey I strongly recommend that you precede it with a thin coat of light grey primer. That should help prevent any of the 'lifting' problems that Martin555 and others experienced.
    (Unless of course 'the Commodore' is looking for a new 'lifting process'! ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜)
    (Good that we have the Atlantic between us!!๐Ÿ˜ฎ)
    Since you've built with styrene use plastic primer if you can, especially if the styrene wasn't prepared by lightly rubbing down with a 600 - 1000 wet n dry, e.g. Tamiya sponge. But any other 'normal', e.g. auto primer will do.
    Also cheaper than Tamiya paint for showing up any defects which need filling/sanding etc.๐Ÿ˜‰

    In view of the alacrity of your repairs Fleet Command will defer a decision on holding a General Court until they are completed, and waive it on successful completion of Sea Trials and commissioning into active service.
    Carry on Sub. That reminds me, I believe your next Promotion Board is coming up soon .... ๐Ÿ˜‰
    Cheers, FLEET// ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fiddly Bits on the Roof...(yeah, itโ€™s a stretch)
    4 days ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Fleet, sad to say Iโ€™ve not seen the posts the lifting problem was discussed. The Tamiya paints are a synthetic lacquer, I primered the hull donโ€™t remember if I primered the superstructure. Only trouble Iโ€™ve had is some of the brass parts I had to redo originally, but I had decanted some of the spray paint and brushed it on. The whole thing will get several light coats of TS26 Tamiya after a light scuffing with 1000 grit. Might have to scrounge up another can of primer this week.
    Cash
    PS...donโ€™t know if the cabin can be lit as the bridge is solidly glued on and access...hm..wait, I could come in from underneath in the main structure....Doggone it Fleet you did it to me again๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ
    PPS..โ€lifting processโ€...Bwahahaha!! Iโ€™ll keep that twixt you, me and the forum lest one of us limps for a while..๐Ÿ˜‚
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fiddly Bits on the Roof...(yeah, itโ€™s a stretch)
    4 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Sorreeee!๐Ÿ˜”
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    ๐Ÿ“ Attack of the Fiddly Bits!!
    7 days ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    So, did a little more today, the escape hatches at the bottom of the superstructure and the side rails. I found that the mouthpiece of my vape mod was the exact diameter of the hatches, so I used it as a template.๐Ÿคฃ
    Hopefully Iโ€™ll have enough of the proper size of brass wire to do the upper rails or I might have to scavenge thru my unbuilt kit stash!! Canโ€™t just bop on down to Hobby Lobby right now๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    Cash
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Attack of the Fiddly Bits!!
    7 days ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Really coming on well. Will you remove all of the handrails for painting.
    Good job.๐Ÿ˜Š
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Attack of the Fiddly Bits!!
    7 days ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Thanks!! The handrails were painted gray on the original. I had painted the bridge then painted each detail added as I installed them, or after. I had to touch up the bridge several times to correct scratches, etc from various installs. My reasoning now is to install everything thatโ€™s supposed to be gray now, with the exception of the mast, then give the structure several light coats, touch up where needed, then install the mast and other non gray components. Think itโ€™ll come out better that way.
    Cash
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Attack of the Fiddly Bits!!
    7 days ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Cash,
    After you have completed this i can see you will be doing a lot more scratch building projects.
    Great work.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Attack of the Fiddly Bits!!
    3 days ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi Martin. Donโ€™t know about scratch building right now, but I can see it happening in the course of time. However, I have 2 Deans Marines kits in my stash, a โ€œWacht Am Rheinโ€ that I got in a trade, partially built but has quite a bit left to do, and a new โ€œCanned Heatโ€ PBR. Looking at the plans I can see where what Iโ€™ve done an learned so far will be a big help building those two kits.
    Cadh
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    ๐Ÿ“ More fiddly bits!
    9 days ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi yโ€™all, real quick update. I modified a Robbe venturi vent into a hailer/speaker by sanding the bell down and installing a rivet into the rear, made the wind break from a modified LEGO, sheet styrene and styrene rod, added an antenna and made a few rails. My care package from Cornwall Model Boats arrived today with some stanchions, ladders and portholes, so Iโ€™m set. Itโ€™s wide open throttle from here on out!!๐Ÿ˜

    Cash
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: More fiddly bits!
    9 days ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi cash,
    That is really starting to look like the original.
    Well done.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: More fiddly bits!
    9 days ago by redpmg ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    When you have completed it Cash sure it will be hard to distinguish from the original - making a really good job of it.

    Stay well away from your customers and please wear a mask & gloves - want to see more of your builds in future.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Dance of the Fiddly Bits!!
    10 days ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    So, our county and the surrounding counties are under shelter or stay at home orders. One can go for a walk, walk the dog, etc, but no groups meetings and no gatherings, cinema, etc. Since Iโ€™m in an โ€œessential businessโ€ (parts department auto dealer) Iโ€™m still working. However, I set my vacation up several months ago for this Wednesday till Tuesday next week. Fun. Lotsa fun. Plus, my daughters school has resorted to online class, and my wife is now working from home, and weโ€™re driving the cats mad. They want their privacy back, I reckon. Anyway, built up some of the detail from plastic sheet, wood, legos and zip ties.
    I did the exchangers or ventilators, not sure what they are to be honest, out of sheet styrene, and the mounts from styrene covered balsa. Those were fairly simple. The ventilators were another matter, as the ventilator grilles were molded fittings that are now out of production, with the closest set to me at the bottom of the lake making a good home for catfish. So, I razed my daughters old Legos, found a couple that were close in dimension to my original units, shaped them, sheeted the shapes side with sheet styrene. I then cut off the lugs, sanded, then made grilles from cut down tie wrap strip. Finished the rest of the detail with sheet and strip. Not exactly like my former units, but they look the part. I went ahead and gave them a quick coat of paint to see how they turned out, the installed them.
    Cash
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Dance of the Fiddly Bits!!
    10 days ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi cash,
    It is surprising what you can make from Lego.
    You are doing a great job.
    Keep it up.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Dance of the Fiddly Bits!!
    10 days ago by marky ( Commander)
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    Hi Cash ,
    Great job ,you and your family stay safe (and the cats).
    Cheers Marky๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ“ Superstructure assembled
    13 days ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    So, today I spent a little time in the shop and worked on the superstructure for the PT15. I had to make the bulkhead and ramps to fit the aft cabin into the forward cabin. Once I had that fitted to my satisfaction, I applied Stabilt Express to the top of the bulkhead and ramps, and about one third of the way down, and jigged the assembly on the deck. This way it would sit on the deck flush, and the glue wouldnโ€™t travel all the way down to the deck, making a bonded mess. Worked almost perfect, got one little drip that pulled a dot of paint off but I can touch that up.
    I built the forward entryway with 2 pieces of scrap plura and sheeted the top down to the deck with one thin piece of styrene, then glued it in place. I also found the dark brown tinted windows that came with my SAR, i used clear plastic in their stead on that boat, so Iโ€™m going to cut and shape them and glue them on the outside of the bridge. The original molding had the windows molded in such a way that they protruded slightly from the main part of the bridge, Iโ€™ll cut small openings to let some light shine through, and the externally amounted windows will look close to the original, and be easier to install. A little filling and sanding and itโ€™s time to start some details.
    Cash
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Superstructure assembled
    13 days ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Looking good cash.

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Superstructure assembled
    13 days ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Thank you Martin.
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    ๐Ÿ“ The Bridge
    17 days ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Got the bridge built tonight, took about 2 hours of cutting, fiddling, sanding, cursing and gluing.๐Ÿ˜ need to finish sand everything then assemble the superstructure, plus add the fwd entryway thingy that goes on the front of the main structure. Once all that is done itโ€™s retime for fiddly bits.
    I have determined that Iโ€™m not cutting out the windows. The originals were part of the entire molding, and that was a very dark tint, so in most light they were pretty close to opaque anyway. My SAR came with tinted windows that I didnโ€™t use, and I THINK I kept them. If I can find them Iโ€™ll cut them down and glue on, or Iโ€™ll paint the windows a dark gray. There is a fine line between challenging and frustration...and I think once I cut the windows it would really weaken the bridge, so thereโ€™s that.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: The Bridge
    17 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Meanwhile ... Back at the Blockhouse!๐Ÿ˜‰

    So far so good Cash๐Ÿ‘
    You know, I can understand your excuses .. er justification .. for not fitting proper windows but, if you're anything like me it will bug you in future, especially at the lakeside๐Ÿค”
    Can't see that the windows would substantially weaken that 'box' structure. Perhaps in fact the contrary?
    Surely just like a good weld in steel is stronger than the plate around it a plastic window 'welded' into the structure with the right solvent glue ought to strengthen rather than weaken.
    Just a thought. I still get one now and again๐Ÿ˜
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    PS Don't forget the magnets this time!!๐Ÿ˜‰
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: The Bridge
    16 days ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Yeah Doug I see your point. But, I know my limitations, and to be quite honest, Iโ€™m surprised it looks as good as it does.
    There might be a workaround to this whole thing however. Got ideas, yโ€™know๐Ÿ˜
    Oh...about the magnets. I used craft store magnets that obviously were not up to the task. Also, I may have not had the right size to begin with. Thatโ€™s another thing Iโ€™m going to re-engineer, along with getting the balance right. I think I know what my problem was, as this boat calls for 8 cells, and I was setting her up for 6 cells or 2 Lipos. She looked okay in the tub, but Iโ€™m pretty sure I need to add at least 3-4 ozs in the stern to keep her stern planted and stable. Weโ€™ll see.
    Cash
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: The Bridge
    15 days ago by redpmg ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Hi Cash - looking great so far - doing very well for a first scratch build in styrene. Looks like the build will be as good as original. Re the windows - does not seem to be much point in having them unless you detail inside - you could add frames from fine styrene strip to add a bit more realism - and perhaps add a clear view ring in one from a piece of round tubing.

    While looking through another site for something else came across a reference to a PT 15 Superstructure - lo & behold another case of lost superstructure and another scratch build - so its been a problem before.

    Unfortunately had to shut down and now cant remember which site - if its important can search again
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    ๐Ÿ“ I have my orders...
    19 days ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    LTjg Errol T Cat is pushing me to get this done, as the Texas Navy needs to have a patrol vessel for the night watch...I reminded him that I am the ranking officer, but all I got was this look.....๐Ÿคฃ
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    ๐Ÿ“ Robbe PT15 cabin and bridge..from scratch...
    19 days ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi everybody. Yโ€™all remember the โ€œfunโ€ I had about 2 months ago, with the SAR motor issue and the loss of the PT15โ€™s cabin and bridge? Well, Iโ€™ve got the SAR fixed, retrofitted a 3530 1700 kv outrunner and a much better coupling, and she runs smooth and cool. So...I decided to go ahead and do some updates and maintenance to my other boats in the fleet, which led me to the PT..I decided to start building the superstructure and get her back in the water. I worked too hard on her to let her sit around and gather dust.
    I bought a pack of styrene sheet in various thicknesses, and ordered some sundry items that will be needed from Cornwall Model Boats. While Iโ€™m waiting for those I decided to start cutting plastic.
    Now, the original structure was comprised of 2 main moldings, some detail moldings, and of course built up detail parts and fittings. All that is at the bottom of the lake, and this boat is way the heck out of production, so I had no choice but to build it up from sheet. Luckily I kept my plans. I traces what I needed to get started from the plans and cut templates. Then I cut my sides and tops.i built the main cabin first. Iโ€™m using balsa stock at the joints to allow me to sand a decent radius in the finished cabin(s) as the original had a slight radius at most corners. I also had to build up the entry โ€œbucketsโ€ as they were molded parts too.
    I got the main cabin built last night, and the sub/aft cabin tonight. I think it looks okay for now, need to finish some sanding and then join the two halves together with a bulkhead and ramps as the original. Still have to do the bridge, the original bridge was molded with the lower main cabin as a unit, and that entire section was molded from tinted clear plastic, you masked off the windows and shot it with paint. Iโ€™m going to have to build the bridge as a separate part and glue it on. If I decide to do clear windows, Iโ€™ll have to cut the openings, paint the cabin and then glaze the windows before gluing it on, then mask the openings when I paint the final assembly, as Iโ€™ll have no access to the inside of the bridge once itโ€™s glued in place. Alternatively, I can just paint the whole thing and paint the windows as they were pretty dark to begin with. Iโ€™ll make that decision in a few days, but Iโ€™m leaning towards glazed windows as I think itโ€™ll be worth the effort.
    Take a look tell me what yโ€™all think, this is my first time scratch building anything in plastic.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Robbe PT15 cabin and bridge..from scratch...
    19 days ago by Martin555 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Looking good cash,
    What glue did you use to join the balsa wood to the plastic.?

    Martin555.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Robbe PT15 cabin and bridge..from scratch...
    19 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I reckon that's pretty damn good Cash๐Ÿ‘
    Especially for a first effort with plasticard.
    Reminds me of the way I built the superstructure for my H class destroyer all those years ago. 0.5mm ply and 3mm square section obeche stiffeners back then, but the method was exactly the same๐Ÿ˜‰
    KUTGW. Looking forward to seeing PT15 back in action on the Red River Patrol.
    BTW: warn Lt jg Errol that the Fleet Admiral has his eye on him๐Ÿค“
    We don't like junior officers with ATTITUDE !!๐Ÿ˜ 
    Ten days reduced Catnip rations!
    Cheers, Fleet ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Robbe PT15 cabin and bridge..from scratch...
    18 days ago by MouldBuilder ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Super job Cash.๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Robbe PT15 cabin and bridge..from scratch...
    18 days ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Iโ€™m using CA for the wood to styrene. I scuff the plastic at the joint to promote bonding. Iโ€™ll probably strengthen some of the joints with Stabilit.
    Cash
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Robbe PT15 cabin and bridge..from scratch...
    17 days ago by Cashrc ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Thank you!!
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