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    Lorraine 2
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    πŸ“ Lorraine 2
    22 days ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    After a long lay-off, mainly due to lack of materials, the stores were empty. Compromises were made and alternative materials used, maybe not a good idea, but trying to keep the production line of a sawdust factory has its demands. Continuing on with the cabin and superstructure, again materials choice or should i say alternative choice had to be employed, using 1.5mm and .8mm plywood, 1.5mm for the sides and the .8mm for the roof/cabin tops.. It was and still is a build as you go, not a good idea, but at the time a brilliant one, thinking about speed of build etc: hmmm ! ..
    Basic frame work applied as and when to support the roofs and the sides, in 1/4 x 1/8" and 3/8 x 1/4" Obechie strip.. Adding the rear and front "windscreens", with the oval shaped apertures, I don't like em' .. So they may be hacked about to make it look more presentable, it all depends on "how close to water" we get .. lol ..
    Stay safe .. Muddy..
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Lorraine 2
    22 days ago by jbkiwi ( Vice Admiral)
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    Looking good, coming along nicely!
    JB
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Lorraine 2
    22 days ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    JB ... Many Thanks.. Have already made pencil marks on the wheelhouse, so maybe a modification is imminent.. ! lol..

    Stay Safe.. Muddy..
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    22 days ago by MouldBuilder ( Captain)
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    Nice woodwork. Looking very nice.πŸ‘
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Lorraine 2
    22 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Excellent work muddy.
    Keep it up.

    Martin555.
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    22 days ago by Rookysailor ( Captain)
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    It's certainly taking shape quickly Muddy, the finish on the wood you have got looks first class, is it birch ply you are using?😐


    Cheers, Pete
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Lorraine 2
    21 days ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Hello Pete, The plywood used, I,m not sure, but i think your correct, Birch Ply.
    Its the bog standard stuff that one purchases from a Model emporium, when new its an off shade of white in colour.
    Hope this helps.. Muddy..
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Lorraine 2
    21 days ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Many Thanks..
    Muddy ..
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    21 days ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Thank you.. stay safe .. Muddy ..
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    21 days ago by Newby7 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Well done nice job.Rick
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    20 days ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Newby7, Thank you Rick, steady down, cos there are modifications to the windows..
    My other secret trick is to view the the state of play in a mirror, looking from a different aspect can sometimes show up to many faults or ugly's.. so i don't participate with this method very often..
    Stay well and Safe .. Muddy ..
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    20 days ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Muddy,
    I am glad i am not the only person that uses a mirror that way.

    To me looking at it that way i feel it is like another person looking at it, or what i think they see If you know what i mean.

    Martin555.
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Lorraine 2
    20 days ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    OK Martin555, yes absolutely, even after one has taken the trouble to align the propshafts/couplings/motor, when the side skins/planks are fitted there is always a little discrepancy on the true alignment, so i just pop the small mirror down the side of the motor and all is revealed even from the keel up.. Mind i did borrow one once from the shipyard manager without her permission, and had to hide away for a while.. lol.. Keep smiling keep safe.. Muddy ..
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    πŸ“ Lorraine 2
    2 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Cabin/Upperworks, The outline of the cabin is to the drawing, but not in the construction, decided that the need for a lighter cabin would be advantagous to a person of my old age, silver surfer and all that. Did find a pic of the finished model with a stated weight of 45 lbs:, there's no dought about it, this model is built like a/the perverbial brick loo..
    The sides were marked out by measurment, and placed for the first impressions, and dry fit. Next was to mark out the cabin formers to make up a basic inner framework, i,m very tempted to use Balsa wood, but will stay with ply and Obechi for a while, when the going gets tough, i change to Balsa ! ! Just to give some idea of the size of this creation, there is a pic of the Speranza and Lorraine 2 side by side, i did take the oppertunity of trimming the planks on Speranza whilst i was waiting for some glue to dry.
    Stay Safe.. Muddy ..
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Lorraine 2
    2 months ago by ianed57 ( Midshipman)
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    Those decks are looking fabulous! If I remember rightly this boat is 54" long, but surely it will need to be the weight it will need to be to bring it down to the correct waterline.

    I had to walk about two minutes from the car to the water yesterday with the steam yacht, which weighs about 13lb, and my arm felt as though it was coming out at the socket! You might need a trolley!

    Stay cool!
    Ian
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Lorraine 2
    2 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    OK Ian, Steam Yacht in this weather, you deserve a medal .. lol...
    Yes i think its all in hand, we are fortunate that water is 30 seconds away from car boot on a tarmac road, it gets better, but i dont want to rub it in .. lol..
    But what some glorious weather, it will all disappear soon when the lockdown finishes, ok, ok i,m ducking..!
    Thanks for reminding me, Trollys in the pipelins so to speak..

    Keep smiling and stay safe .. Muddy ..
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    πŸ“ Lorraine 2
    2 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Lower deck planking, after all the pins were fitted, it was noticed that the planks had twisted urghh ! !.. They needed to be trimmed up, but with brass pins embeded the small plane dunna like this sort'a thing, Removed the pins and set about the planing up of the planks untill it was somewhere near respectable. At this stage it was time for another rub down with sandpaper and a new coat of dope/thinners applied. The "caulking" was removed with a 1" carpenters wood chiesel being run along , gently, the plank surface. This is when you hope enough glue was applied to hold the caulking in situ..
    Stay Safe Muddy ..
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    2 months ago by ianed57 ( Midshipman)
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    Lovely work Muddy, Vic would have approved I'm sure.
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Lorraine 2
    2 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Looking good muddy,
    Well worth the effort.

    Martin555.
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    2 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Thank you, that is one person i would have liked to meet..
    Stay safe .. Muddy..
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Lorraine 2
    2 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Just started the Upperworks, and can "Sus" out the final appearance..
    Hopefully the effort will be worth it..
    Stay Safe .. Muddy ..
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    πŸ“ Lorraine 2
    3 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    The one thing that i forgot to mention is the fact that 5mm x 2mm Lime planks do not like to be pinned down with .7mm x 100 brass pins, the timber splits every time, usually with the bradawl, and it is a fine one. Answer, was simple to pin drill each pin hole, I wont dwell on this to long as i can feel the steam rising as i speak, it was a very laborous task. Then started to have a clean up of all surfaces hull sides , bottom skins and foredeck, ready for a thinned coat of dope. 25% thinners to 75% dope.. All surfaces were covered except the stepped deck, hoping to seal the timber whilst the model is being manipulated around on the bench. Also placed with a cyno type glue a small vertical veneer on the upright seperating the two decks, ready for a quick rub down and another coat of dope/thinners..
    Stay Safe Muddy ..
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    3 months ago by ianed57 ( Midshipman)
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    That foredeck looks splendid Muddy. I agree about the heat - I gave up in my workshop this afternoon to sit and read in the shade. Not complaining!
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    3 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Nice work muddy.
    Well worth all the extra effort.
    Keep it up.

    Martin555.
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    3 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Thanks Ian.. Think there was a pic of the shed temp at 10 degs C.. now that is ideal to potter about in lol.. but once the 20 c mark is reached, its time for a slurp and a siesta..
    I,m looking forward to tackling the lowered deck planking tomorrow, ( Ohh yeah )
    keep safe and smiling.. Muddy ..
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    3 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Thanks Martin, yes things are begining to look something like ! I hope..
    Stay safe Muddy..
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Lorraine 2
    3 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Nice deck work! Thanks for the great photos.
    Joe
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    3 months ago by billmcl61 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Hi Muddy,

    Your build is coming along nicely and the planking is looking great.

    Bill
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    3 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Thank you Bill..
    Stay Safe.. Muddy ..
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    πŸ“ Lorraine 2
    3 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Continueing on with the Fore Deck planking, nearly ready for sanding.
    Attempts to gain access to the bow and front end of the hull, were not adequate with just the Opening in the fore deck, and was proving difficult trying to access from the motor bay, not enough room between the mounting and the deck former. Started to remove the bulkhead by pin drilling acrosss the width of the beam, then with a small drum sander clean up the raged edges and finally some sandpaper when more accessible.
    Stay Safe Muddy ..
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    πŸ“ Lorraine 2
    3 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Didnt like the idea of a painted deck, so out came the planks, and some kind person did some shopping for me, so now armed with a fistfull of .7mm x 10mm Brass Pins, flat headed and some new planks 5mm x 3mm Lime, with some .25mm Mahogony for the caulking, anger management here we come.
    Keep Safe Muddy ..
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    πŸ“ Lorraine 2
    3 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    With some .8mm ply for the foredeck, this was cut out roughly to shape, then placed and tacked, as to mark the Hatch from inside, the hatchway marked and cut out. Time to clean up the Bow, or Bumper Bar, Araldited and pinned a piece of Mahogony down the Stem, this was yesterday, so this morning it was all fixed and solid, ready for shaping, using a Stanley type Knife and a Small Carpenters Plane. Some P38 added along the way to hide the mistakes. On completion of the Bumper Bar, the for deck was ready for glueing and pinning, had to plan this out carefully as the pin situation was getting close to NON Existant, But with one pin left over, a spare if you like we wait for tomorrow and start up the Palm Sander..
    Stay safe Muddy ..
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    3 months ago by Skydive130 ( Commander)
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    Don’t we just love the smell of fresh wood before we cover it in paint and varnishπŸ˜‚ lovely looking boat, looking forward to updates πŸ‘
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    3 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Thank you Skydive130, but as i mentioned to joe a little earlier, things are getting spartan here, down to last bits of wood and pins, but hoping to rectify that soon, thanks again Muddy ..
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    3 months ago by Ygagnon ( Leading Seaman)
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    Hy, I have looked at all the pictures of your build.
    I have learn a few pointers.
    Fantastic work.
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    3 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Hello Ygagnon, Thank you for the kindly comment. When you can read things like this, it tends to spure one on. I must say all these comments and " how to do what to whome" timber wise, may not always be the correct way, but its the way that i did/do things with the reouces that i have, and personal choices in tools and adhesives etc: and things have had to slow down because of material shortages.
    Some progress is being made but slowly now. Thanks again, Stay Safe.. Muddy ..
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    πŸ“ Lorraine 2
    3 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    The Pointy Bit, or Bow, but first the forward hold/battery bay, i could see a problem arrising with this Hold area, as to being able to access it, decided to cut a hatchway into the deck, bigger than shown on the plan, making access easier for batty removal etc: . Cut some new beams and made them knotchable' hoping to keep the deck strength. The side deck,s were fitted with skins, and the rear planking on the transom looked a bit ucky, this was covered with some 1.5mm ply. Made a start on shaping the bow blocks, should have stuck to the original idea of using Obechi, it would have been a lot easier. Inbetween the puffing and panting with a full size chippy's saw, started to mark out the upperworks, this is a complete revamp from the drawing, as the drawing is a very elaborate thing regarding the cabin's..
    Can only presume it was because of the stae of play when the radio gear / motors were a bit more dated ! ! ! .. Plus the fact i,m now thinking of trying to lighten up the the upperworks, i aint as strong as I once was, and three Weetabix dunna ackle for me anymore ! lol..
    Stay Safe Muddy ..
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Lorraine 2
    3 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Martin.. Thats cracked it.. Thank you..
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    3 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Glad i could help.
    Keep up the good work.

    Martin555.
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    πŸ“ Lorraine 2
    3 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Continuing on with the forward battery tray/load compartment, and then a dry fit with the motor's, the possibility of anchoring down a battery pack with eleastic bands or cable ties ment that some sort of anchorage had to be supplyed, for the battery retaining straps/bands/cable ties.
    Then thoughts turned to the bow and the bow blocks, the original thought for the timber was Obechi, but thinking again, its a big boat and according some blurb/info i have she weigh's in at 45 lb ( urghhh, instant hernia jobber ).. And 45lb hitting a bank or pond side will make a dent and about 90% of it will be to the vessell. Found a bit of Pine, and not wanting any knots in it, cut it up to be knot free, there was an awfull lotta knots on the shed floor after this escapade. The bow blocks were built up and fitted, willy nilly order and plenty of glue soaked joints.
    Muddy ..
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Lorraine 2
    3 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Coming on very well Muddy πŸ‘
    Original way to make the bow blocks!
    Conventional wisdom is to have the grain of the blocks running fore and aft.
    Easier to shape and give mores longitudinal strength.
    On my fish cutter I only needed a stern block (to replace a bodge up made from a chunk of a 3M tape roll core!πŸ™„). A single block of balsa. Was easy to shape and sand and I strengthened it and gave it some 'knock' resistance with 3 coats of Eze-Kote resin before painting.
    Cheers, Doug 😎
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    πŸ“ Lorraine 2
    3 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Bringing the Palm Sander into action, cleaning up the edges at the Chine and Deck's level's.
    Trying to think ahead, about Motor fuel, and what type of fuel cells will be used, I,m hoping the collection of Nimh and Ni-cads will do the job, as the motor drain is supposed to be low, but if its going to be heavy current drain then it could be Gel Cells/Sealed lead Acid Type, which are heavy, with this in mind , was looking about the hull interior, and found a cavity in front of the drive motors, thinking about the Tarpon, there was a very nice radio self fitted in her, so i worked along these lines, and started to manufacture a battery/fuel shelf, which will be removable, after the fixings have been attented to from under the front hatch cover, The drawing does not know about this little side step yet, so better keep it quiet ! The idea is for this battery tray to slide in over the top of the motors and side on on Bulkheads 2 and 3 , i think..
    As with everything in building a model boat, its all work in progress.. lol..
    Stay Safe Muddy ..
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Lorraine 2
    3 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Nice woodwork MuddyπŸ‘
    Can't quite follow your thinking on batteries though!
    If it's high current you need go for NiMh or even LiPo.
    Take your NiCads to the dump (Sorry; Dangerous/Toxic Materials Recycling Centre).
    Cadmium is frowned upon these days.
    SLAs also prefer to deliver low to medium currents for long periods rather than high currents.
    Yes I know that car batteries deliver a few hundred amps to the starter motor.
    But only for brief periods and they are not sealed or gel and have many more plates per cell than our little SLAsπŸ˜‰
    Cheers, Doug 😎
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    3 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    OK Doug thank you, just talking out aloud here.
    And whatever is at hand, but like you say Nicad is not a nice thing in these modern days.
    Thanks for the info .. Muddy ..
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    3 months ago by Joe727 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Muddy,
    Looks good, thanks for posting the great photos!
    Joe πŸ‘
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    3 months ago by muddy ( Midshipman)
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    Thank's Joe, but i,m a big beleiver in " a picture paints a thousand words .." or something like that.. But things are slowing up now, lack of materials, i,m running out of the "making bits".. Wood and Brass Pins, but hope to rectify this shortly, even down to my last pin this afternoon, things are getting serious... lol ..
    Keep smiling and keep safe
    Regards Muddy ..

    p.s. i aint forgot to find out about what wood i,m going to use ! lol ..
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