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๐ฌ Re: Getting Started
4 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ Ianh ( Commander)
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Hi,
I use an Ex SLEC Wing and Fuselage Jig. The angles are ex SLEC and are slotted these bolt through to Captive Nuts. A little bit of invention after I built the 16' Lancster that at my age I can no longer see it fly after 6 years of construction I don't want to put it in the ground! ▲
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4 years ago by ๐ญ๐บ MouldBuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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Never really thought about a sailing boat. I will take interest in this build and see if this changes.
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๐ฌ Re: Getting Started
4 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Joe727 ( Commander)
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Nerys,
Thank you for the note, one of our club members sailed the real deal in the Olympics some time ago. There are RC fiberglass hulls available but I love to build things, plus I always stick to a minimalist budget. Joe ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Getting Started
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Very interesting boat to build, the full size version was designed in America way back in 1910 by Francis Sweithsguth. They became an International class and were sailed in The summer Olympics from 1932 - 2012. They were a very popular class in the US but never really caught on in the Uk apart from the few officionados who sailed them because of their Olympic status. A RC model will be very interesting, I believe there is a kit extant for a static model, but I look forward to seeing this model in action,
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๐ฌ Re: Getting Started
4 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Joe727 ( Commander)
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Martin555,
Have you ever sailed a sailing yacht? If not, next time you see one at the pond ask to try it. You'll be hooked, they sail like the real thing. Each boat type has it's own feel, you'll swear you can feel the rudder and sails thru your TX control sticks. Thanks for your interest. Joe ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Getting Started
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Joe,
I am not into sailing and don't know the first thing about them. But i will definitely be following this log. You never know i might actually learn something about them. Good luck. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Frames arrived, had to get busy
4 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Joe727 ( Commander)
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Sy,
I've built dozens of stick and tissue airplanes, it's the only way to go! Jor ▲
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4 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Joe727 ( Commander)
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Sy,
I've used these single edged blade for years, on every thing, wood , styrene, etc. Buy them in boxes of 100, cost about 6 cents a piece. Toss them as soon as they get dull, go through a couple on a long day. Aren't scalpels for doctors? ๐ค Joe ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Frames arrived, had to get busy
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Skydive130 ( Rear Admiral)
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Hi Joe, still using single edged razor blades, when scalpel blades are cheap as chips, hats off to you ha ha!
The hull is certainly taking shape, in fact itโs like watching a stick n tissue aircraft build all over again! I would guess with all the bands Ect holding it do3n, it should be just about the most warp free structure ever. I look forward to sheeting you sheet it! Kind regards Sy ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Frames arrived, had to get busy
4 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Joe727 ( Commander)
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Sy,
Thanks for the comments. I can't take full credit for the building board, it's a combination of ideas I have seen on-line. The push pin idea came from a Star 45 build blog. The holes are mine, giving and option for clamping and stringing hold down lines/bands. The mdf at 1/2" is plenty stiff due to vertical board base. I've seen many narrow boards, say 5", but the full 12" width allows for a nice flat surface for all of those squares I use, plus the rubber band clamps work well at that width. I too have built many balsa stick planes, really enjoy it. First did it with my Dad in the 50's, had to cut out all of those parts with the old double edged thin razor blades. Still use single edge blades for all my work! Thanks for your interest. Joe ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Frames arrived, had to get busy
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Skydive130 ( Rear Admiral)
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The other reason Iโve always build powered boats and not yachts is the fear of trying to cast a lead bulb or try and buy one ready made, I shall watch with interest! ๐
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Frames arrived, had to get busy
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Skydive130 ( Rear Admiral)
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May well consider building one of these in the future? Shall watch your build with interest, but I really like your building board/jig setup. Iโve had aircraft kits from Stevensaero in the past and they are superb, even delivery it to ๐ฌ๐ง no problem. Kind regards Sy
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๐ฌ Re: Stringers, keelson.....
4 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Joe727 ( Commander)
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Doug,
I just discovered that my spell checker changed chines to chimes!! โน๏ธ Joe ▲
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4 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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"I missed that typo!"
Joe, you wouldn't believe how often I hit the N instead of M, but at least that way round the Spellchecker usually underlines it in red๐ Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Stringers, keelson.....
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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All i can say Joe Is sand and try, sand and try until you get a really nice fit.
And take your time to get it right. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Stringers, keelson.....
4 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Joe727 ( Commander)
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I missed that typo! Joe ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Stringers, keelson.....
4 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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"Watching glue cure...."
๐ค๐ค๐ค๐ค๐ค๐ค๐ค๐ค Don't the 'chimes' keep you awake though? Very musical! ๐๐ ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Stringers, keelson.....
4 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Joe727 ( Commander)
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Martin,
Planking is coming up soon, I'm a bit apprehensive as this is definitely not my area of expertise. Joe ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Stringers, keelson.....
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Progressing nicely Joe.
Keep up the good work. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Bottom Planking underway
4 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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"I especially suffer during the painting phase.๐"
Me too MB๐ค I just ordered another large tin of Patience, double strength๐ Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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4 years ago by ๐ญ๐บ MouldBuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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This looks rather tricky. I, like Simon, lack in patience. I especially suffer during the painting phase.๐
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๐ฌ Re: Bottom Planking underway
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Skydive130 ( Rear Admiral)
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Patience is a virtue Joe, something I struggle with sometimes! I e got a feeling this hull will be the truest ever! ๐
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๐ฌ Re: Outer Sheer Rails & Bottom Planking
4 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Joe727 ( Commander)
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Mturpin,
Yes, I'll explain the reason for the thin plywood. This boat design is for speed and racing in regatta, therefore the intent is to keep it light weight with the boat weight located as much as possible in the keel. The initial design (not mine) is based on the Star 45 design which is typically an all painted hull. The only reason the bottom is planked is that it is a compound cure, can't do with plywood sheets unless in strips. The sides are flat curves so weight can be saved with the 1/16" ply. The intent has been to paint the entire hull but since the cedar bottom looks pretty good I may leave it clear. Thanks for the question. Joe๐ ▲
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4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Any reason why the sides are ply and not planked, it would look nice planked and varnished.
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๐ฌ Re: Outer Sheer Rails & Bottom Planking
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Hi,
If you can't get Eze-Kote I have used Z-Poxy by Zap successfully in the past. I find it easier to mix, apply and sand than some of the epoxies aimed at full size boatbuilders. I notice you can get it on Amazon and I'm sure Jeff would be happy to deliver some to you! I have used it on the outside of wooden hulls with no fibreglass sheet. I should think, if you are building from cedar, you would be OK. Ian ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Outer Sheer Rails & Bottom Planking
4 years ago by ๐ฎ๐ช billmcl61 ( Warrant Officer)
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That Eze-kote sounds like just the thing that I need as my tug will have a balsa bottom, but the only places I can find it are in the UK, and carriage, just a stones throw across the water is almost as much as the stuff itself, unfortunately with the current situation all the model shops here are closed and I haven't come across this previously, so I guess it will be resin and fibreglass.
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๐ฌ Re: Outer Sheer Rails & Bottom Planking
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Skydive130 ( Rear Admiral)
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And a beautiful bottom it is Doug ๐๐๐
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๐ฌ Re: Outer Sheer Rails & Bottom Planking
4 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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" I am looking up the eze-kote product right now. "
Try it Joe. I guarantee you won't be disappointed๐ It's not the cheapest resin around BUT; No messing with hardener (too much it goes off too fast, too little it never setsโน๏ธ), It isn't sticky, brushes on easy, doesn't stink ๐, (can be used indoors without the 'Management' getting on your case๐), sets in about 20 minutes at 'room' temperature, and when you're done you simply clean your brush in warm water, instead of chucking it away!๐ I love it. Also use it as a wood sealer, diluted with 20 - 25% water. Have also used it to preserve a bamboo table on the terrace, still standing after 5 years or more ๐ Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Outer Sheer Rails & Bottom Planking
4 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Joe727 ( Commander)
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Doug,
Thanks for the fast response! I am looking up the eze-kote product right now. I see that it is made in the UK, but is sold thru Horizon Hobbies in the States. Will read reviews but this looks like it is well worth a try. I have used the epoxy based resin fiberglass systems for years but honestly can say it's not my favorite thing to do. Always too thick and sticky... Thank you, Joe๐๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Outer Sheer Rails & Bottom Planking
4 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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"Typically these wood hulls get fiberglass but I am thinking about just using resin and deleting the fiberglass mat. Not sure at this point, any opinions welcome."
Go for it Joe๐ On my Danish fish cutter restoration I reinforced the (badly built!) hull on the inside with resin and fibre glass tissue. On the outside I then used only three coats of Deluxe Materials Eze-Kote water based resin (No hardener and brushes wash out in warm water๐) Progressively flatten the resin coats as you go with 600 to 2000 / 3000 grit W&D (add a drop of liquid soap๐) and you can get a glass like finish๐ Clear lacquer or paint (โน๏ธ) to taste. Cheers, Doug ๐ PS That's one cheap bottom! ๐ฎ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: both sides set, glue curing....while I sleep
4 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Joe727 ( Commander)
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Sy,
Yes, I think it will remain straight. The laser cut frames were well worth purchasing, makes it much easier to end up with a nice hull. Joe ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: both sides set, glue curing....while I sleep
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Skydive130 ( Rear Admiral)
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Hi Joe, cannot wait to see that hull released from all its tie downs, should be straight and true for sure. ๐
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๐ฌ Re: Trimming sides, transom piece, sanding block
4 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Joe727 ( Commander)
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Sy,
Thank you! I must admit I am pleasantly surprised at how well it has gone together. Maybe it's the lockdown, I have more time and take care with each step, allowing everything to fully cure. The laser cut frames get the credit for giving the boat a straight foundation. Take care, Joe ๐๐ ▲
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4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Skydive130 ( Rear Admiral)
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Looks superb !๐๐๐
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๐ฌ Re: Trimming sides, transom piece, sanding block
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Lovely job Joe it will look fantastic when finished
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๐ฌ Re: Trimming sides, transom piece, sanding block
4 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Joe727 ( Commander)
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Peter,
Thanks for the comments. I'll post photos and information on the glassing. Joe ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Trimming sides, transom piece, sanding block
4 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Joe727 ( Commander)
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Martin555,
Thank you for your interest and comments. Joe ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Trimming sides, transom piece, sanding block
4 years ago by ๐ญ๐บ MouldBuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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Super job Joe. The hull looks really smooth. The wood looks quality in the photos too.
When you get to the glassing, could you possibly do several pictures as I have never done this before. Can you advise on the materials used also. Thanks.๐ Peter. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Trimming sides, transom piece, sanding block
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Good work Joe.
Looking really nice. Martin555. ▲
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