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๐ฌ Re: Radio communication experiment
4 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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"have no idea where you get the frequencies you list. Are they available or are you generating them."
Hi Pete, Haven't checked yet but I assume that those are open license packet radio frequencies. I too am looking forward to to the results with great interest. Especially with regard to 'submarine communications'! I have experience of both real life and model sub COMMS and I know that real subs either have to surface or send up a Communications Buoy to get the antenna above the wet stuff to get a link in the HF/VHF/UHF bands and above. Underwater they use frequencies in the VLF (Very Low Frequency) band, a few KHz - nowhere near MHz, learned from the whales!, and a very slow data rate of a few bits per second, i.e. one letter or number/sec๐ค The TX antennas on land are measured in kilometres! With models anything above 40MHz gets increasingly absorbed by the water as the frequency goes up. At 2.4Gigs you're only warming the pond water, just like your microwave oven warms your food by agitating the water molecules in your nosh. Packet Radio just means that you are sending bursts of information in the form of short data telegrams, the Packets. What's important here is the carrier frequency used; i.e. the "459 MHz packet radio / 459 Mhz LoRa / 459 Mhz openLRS / 868 Mhz" that Graham mentions. I would not want to go below periscope depth, keeping the antenna above water, using those frequencies. I would also build a Fail Safe circuit into the sub, hence Graham's other project.๐ That means on loss of the TX signal surfacing will be automatically activated. Otherwise, he may well 'loose it at the bottom of the lake' ๐ญ The RSSI function will not help in that case. It's what is known as a 'Whoops, Sorry๐ค' indicator in such applications. I.e. it'll work as long as his Packet Radio link feedback is established. From underwater!? The frequencies Graham mentions are presumably generated on the little PCBs he has shown. Don't get me wrong; I wish Graham every success in his endeavours๐ค but I have to admit that I'm sceptical when it comes to underwater comms at those frequencies! Cheers, Doug ๐ Apropos COMMS buoys: I remember in the 90s discussing some ambitious COMMS refit projects for Type 206 subs with navies in various countries. Their ideas for several simultaneous HF, VHF and UHF COMM lines would have caused an interference chaos if all antennas were squashed into the conning tower, and would not have worked when submerged. After explaining why I jokingly suggested that they tow a raft with the additional antennas needed. Lo and behold a year later a German company (related to the one that built the 206 subs๐) started marketing COMMS Buoys that are used now by all sub operators today!๐ I should have patented the idea!!!! Grrrrr! ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Radio communication experiment
4 years ago by ๐ญ๐บ MouldBuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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I look forward to the results but have no idea where you get the frequencies you list. Are they available or are you generating them.
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