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4 years ago by π³πΏ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Martin, I'll only need an aircraft ESC as reversing is done with a bucket (which as mentioned) the cheapo jet doesn't have. I could have bought a fancy one at 3-10 times the price, but I reckon I can mould or panelbeat a bucket from glass or copper etc. The white jet is a single stage with an old style reversing bucket, and the black NZ Southern Jets unit is a single stage with the latest style of twin nozzle reverse bucket, which gives better directional control. Most jet units run constantly with the engine, and with the jet in neutral (no gearbox, just half in reverse, so you are neither going forward or backwards)
There is a nice looking 28mm jet unit made by Ocean Works in Hong Kong which I might look at if this one is no good, (they also make a range of nice looking Azimuth thrusters as well) JB ▲
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4 years ago by π¬π§ mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Its nice to see a different boat, looking forward to seeing the build
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π¬ Re: HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
4 years ago by π¬π§ Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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I am looking forward to this build Jb.
Going buy your other builds this will look fantastic when you have her completed. It will be interesting to see how you setup the ESC with a water jet as you only want the motor running one way. Martin555. ▲
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π¬ Re: HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
4 years ago by ππΊ MouldBuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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Wow. You have been busy JB. Great start. π
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π¬ Re: HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
4 years ago by πΊπΈ Joe727 ( Commander)
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JB,
Always nice to see a new build coming together. This looks like a fun design, I'll be watching. π Joeπ ▲
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π¬ Re: HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
4 years ago by π¬π§ nasraf ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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I like the block "chopper".
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4 years ago by πΏπ¦ Ianh ( Commander)
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You never have enough clamps!ππ
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4 years ago by πΊπΈ figtree7nts ( Admiral)
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That's a great idea!
But, here where I live US. There hard to find! Cheers, Ed ▲
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π¬ Re: HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
4 years ago by π³πΏ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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I'm guessing you have a lot of clamps then Mikeπ ? They are quite strong for what they are (if a bit thin) and a lot cheaper than paying $1.65 ea for the common cheap red tipped ones from the hardware super stores. I'm surprised no one makes a clamp like these I've modified for modelling. I've searched everywhere on line (engineering, boat building etc) but nothing.
I've been modelling since the 60s and never seen anything like it. I'm sure you'd be able to knock some nice ones up with your gear if necessary, as these beat rubber bands hands down. Leak the idea to the Chinese and they'll have them out in daysπ JB ▲
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4 years ago by π¬π§ mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Here in UK these clamps on coat hangers come free with all the clothes my wife buysπ
They are mostly detachable and usable without modification but are really useful having a deep throat on some of them. ▲
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π¬ Re: HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
4 years ago by π¨π¦ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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What a wonderful find with the hangers I will look to find some myself.
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π¬ Re: HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
4 years ago by π³πΏ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Don't know about master class nasraf, as there is always something I forget. Just a lot of trial and error really to get things looking as near as possible to scale. There is always a lot of packing, cutting and dremeling etc to get to the end result. The HSL drawings needed a lot of tweaking, as although they looked good in the magazine they were nowhere near the same profiles side to side as mentioned. You had to choose a side and flip it over and copy it to the other side to make them equal, then start your framing from there. You usually only discover things like this after you have started, and are wondering why things don't look right. I never trust drawings or plans in books now and check everything shown is symmetrical first.
One good thing about building with this method is that you can keep trying every fit and shape before being happy enough to glue things. I enjoy the challenge of creating something from a picture or a plan. ▲
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4 years ago by π¬π§ nasraf ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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I wish you had started this build before I started the HSL, particularly on the frame and stringer pre assembly. Also I have now found out that it is a major error not to cut the openings in the frames before the structure is assembled.
You are giving a master class on how to do a scratch build. ▲
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π¬ Re: HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
4 years ago by π¬π§ Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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She is looking good so far Jb.
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π¬ Re: HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
4 years ago by πΊπΈ Joe727 ( Commander)
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Nice work, thanks for sharing the great photos. It's encouraging to see your work!
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4 years ago by π¨π¦ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Lots of work looks good .Rick
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π¬ Re: HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
4 years ago by ππΊ MouldBuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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Looking good JB. Very nice wood work.
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4 years ago by π³πΏ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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I think most of us have had to correct 'unwanted corners' Martin, especially those of us relying on seeing eye dogs with wobbly pawsπ
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4 years ago by π¬π§ Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Jb,
Ref :- (* I know curves don't have corners) They do when i do them LOL!!!! Nice work. Martin555. ▲
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4 years ago by π³πΏ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Re -You beat Fleet to it this time Jb. LOL!!
The advantages of being 12hrs ahead Martin, - I'm working in your future so I know what he's thinkingππ (casts line out anticipating another nibble)π JB ▲
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4 years ago by π³πΏ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Re- No he didn't Martin.
I knew you knew I'd know that Dougπ JB ▲
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π¬ Re: HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
4 years ago by π³πΏ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Sorry RS, should have mentioned they were made from 2.5mm firm balsa sheet and done the same way as the cabin sides, by tracing them off the drawing and transferring them to the balsa (pin marking-joining the dots). They were cut as near as poss with a knife and trimmed with the Dremel. Top surface edges are rounded to a D form.
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π¬ Re: HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
4 years ago by π¬π§ Rookysailor ( Commodore)
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"Made the cabin side flashes today" but you don't mention How you made them jb, but they look great!
Cheers, Peteπ ▲
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4 years ago by π©πͺ RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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No he didn't Martin.
I was testing JB this timeπ Ah jus' knowed he'd go hunting! π ▲
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π¬ Re: HARTLEY FLARELINE, NEW PROJECT
4 years ago by π¬π§ Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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You beat Fleet to it this time Jb. LOL!!
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4 years ago by π©πͺ RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Got it in one Admiralπ
That's exactly what came to mind when I read your postπ π ▲
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4 years ago by π³πΏ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Wasn't there a song about rabbiting Doug?π
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4 years ago by π©πͺ RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Looking very good JB Some nice shaping your rabbit is doing there.π Does he chomp and nibble out the curves with his 'carrot nashers'?πππ€£ What' up Doc? Cheers, Doug (Your incorrigibly unrepentant FLEET π) ▲
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4 years ago by π³πΏ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Great minds think alike Martinπ
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4 years ago by π¬π§ Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Jb,
Your thumb pin stand is a good idea. I have pushed dress making pins through some small square sheet Balsa wood and then i place the small squares anywhere to suite the pieces that are being sprayed. Martin555. ▲
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4 years ago by πΏπ¦ redpmg ( Commodore)
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That cooling fan is not beyond your skills JB - hides the can pretty well - looking at a small computer fan as I write this - 2' diameter - sure you get even smaller............
Good idea as you only see the top of the motor in a boat - not suitable for airboats though! ▲
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4 years ago by π³πΏ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Peter, the fake motors I did for the ST were just crude bits cyano'd on to the copper coil so never got hot (you might be thinking of someone elses' model,- think someone did a semi scale one a while back). I tried to find some replica Detroit 4-53 plastic kits and was going to run a shaft through them and hide the motors, but couldn't find one, and any motor kit or model costs an arm and a leg, so gave up on that idea.
There are some with motors inside but are the wrong sort of motor and also expensive. The ones pictured look ok (for 36-40 diam motors) and are just a clip-on fan (fan in air filter). Might buy one of these for the Hartley model but not sure of the size, (a sort of suck it and see purchase maybe.) These are the sort of thing I was looking for but in a 4 cyl Detroit diesel. There is a Falcon motor which might have done for this model, but it's about $300! and there might be a motor in a vehicle kit, but they are stupidly expensive now also! Not sure what I'm going to add just yet,-have to wait and see how horrible the boat looks when finished. Probably have the usual stuff,- lights, anchor, squabs, instruments etc, plus it will have tinted windows, (as per the full sized version) and maybe a sound unit. Have to see how the jet unit performs as well ( will have to make a reversing bucket for it) before getting carried away. JB ▲
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4 years ago by πΏπ¦ redpmg ( Commodore)
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Hi JB - Seems I missed a lot being away - You have moved on pretty far already. Looking great so far. What have you got in mind re extras - working bilge pump perhaps ? Not that you would need it hopefully . Or perhaps fishing rods , Tackle boxes etc . A replica motor would be nice - I have a V8 motor from a large truck kit given to me by a friend now in OZ. Always thought it would look good on an airboat model - but how would you stop the plastic from melting with the heat ? How did you overcome the problem on the other replica motors?
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4 years ago by π¬π§ Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Good luck Jb,
I hate to see a crown man cry. LOL!! Martin555. ▲
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