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๐ฌ Re: Gaff Rigged Pilot Cutter
3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ Ianh ( Commander)
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OK Graham93,
Sunday brain is in neutral at the moment, due to the weather in SA ( Lots of rain and humidity) So I can't spray! I agree no question is stupid as I used to lecture part time on Thermodynamics and Turbines๐๐ ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Ian,
I always tell my students there is no such thing as a โstupid questionโ. If you have a question, then it is valid, and others here may also be wondering about the same thing. One winch for the main sail and the second one for the jibs. The second winch tacks the fore sheets. While the main sail winch simply adjusts the main sheet as normal, whichever tack the boat is on, the foresail winch has to be set to opposite ends of itโs travel depending on which tack the boat is on. More on this later in the blog. You can see the fore sails being tacked in the โshow and tellโ video at the beginning of this blog. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Gaff Rigged Pilot Cutter
3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ Ianh ( Commander)
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Hi Graham 93
Stupid question? Why two Winches you should only need 1! ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Gaff Rigged Pilot Cutter
3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ Ianh ( Commander)
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Hi Graham 93,
At 3 1/2 turns your only option is Hitec and they are heavy duty! Good Luck with the build Regards Ian๐๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Gaff Rigged Pilot Cutter
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks Ian,
3 1/2 turn versions are used in the Cutter. I have written to Santa ๐ Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Gaff Rigged Pilot Cutter
3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ Ianh ( Commander)
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If you want a reliable sailwinch The Hitec ones are good. All depends on how many turns it has to make๐๐
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๐ฌ Re: Gaff Rigged Pilot Cutter
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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I'm sure Santa will bring them Graham, if you sit on her knee and ask nicely๐
They are not too bad for price, and should be reliable being Hitec. I've had no problems with their servos in planes. JB ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Gaff Rigged Pilot Cutter
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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JB,
There are two drum winches to control the sheets. They are installed in a similar fashion to that shown in the video you found. The recommended servos are HiTec HS785 so I'm hoping to get a couple of those from Santa ๐. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Gaff Rigged Pilot Cutter
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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That's a very nice sailing yacht Graham. It will keep you out of trouble for a while๐. Does it use servo/arm or drum winches? If it uses drums, don't waste your time with the cheap JX ones from Banggood as they are rubbish. I tried a couple and they won't centre properly, and sit there humming. Apart from that they work ok but will probably fry with use.
The King winch from AliExp looks interesting but a lot of money to take a chance on. They need to have a strong centering action to avoid stalling, and a lot of the cheap ones are not up to it. The top winches they use in the racing yachts are in the hundreds I was told. Just having a go at adapting an 18lb digital JX servo ($25) using an arm for my Optimist, (driving me mad trying to get the travel required)๐ Found a vid from your plans guy which gives a winch set-up which might be useful. I think JR made good winch servos, but I think they have gone now. JB ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Gaff Rigged Pilot Cutter
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks Nerys,
There are several videos on YouTube by Gary Webb the designer covering construction details, and his other models. Just search for 'sailtails'. I've been impressed with both the appearance and the way the models sail. That's not to say that I don't plan to make a few changes along the way... Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Gaff Rigged Pilot Cutter
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks Martin,
I do hope you enjoy the blog. I'm certainly looking forward to spending some time in the workshop. Graham93 ▲
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3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Black Shoe ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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I'm aboard!๐
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๐ฌ Re: Gaff Rigged Pilot Cutter
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง philcaretaker ( Commodore)
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Bring it on Graham !
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๐ฌ Re: Gaff Rigged Pilot Cutter
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Graham, you have done very well in a very short time and I wish you well with what I am sure will be an interesting build and a great boat as the outcome.
I am very impressed after looking at the video, very accurate rigging details and she can certainly sail Cheers, Nerys ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Gaff Rigged Pilot Cutter
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham.
This is going to be a fantastic project. With your skills i can imagine what she will look like when she is finished. I think you will thoroughly enjoy this build as much as we will be enjoying following your build log. Really looking forward to the next instalment already. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull components
3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ Ianh ( Commander)
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In SA we would have to hunt for Record Tools. SA is a dumping ground for cheap stuff!
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Michael,
You could well be right about the 'door skin' plywood. It would be ideal for that purpose. It was salvaged from a 1980's flatpack bookcase. The plane is a Record 311 Bull Nose plane I bought around 30 years ago while in the middle of a woodworking project. It cost ยฃ55 which I thought was a lot at the time, but research this morning shows they are now selling for 2 - 3 times that amount ๐. Not that I would ever sell it. It is my 'go to' plane for most jobs, small, heavy, single hand use with a good quality cutter that keeps it's edge. Graham96 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull components
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Hi Graham that ply looks like the door skins that were in abundance during the 90s, I had a company nearby that made mahogany doors using such skins and they use to cover the edges with veneer and any of cuts were dumped in a skip, where I duly liberated them for repurposing and I still have coils of it in my wood sock today.
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๐ฌ Re: Hull components
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham,
you are off to a brilliant start. Will be following with great interest. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull components
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Phil,
The weather is miserable, and I can't sail at Pavilion gardens as Buxton is in a different lockdown tier, so I may as well get on with the build.๐ Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull components
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง philcaretaker ( Commodore)
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Yikes ! - that was quick !๐โต
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๐ฌ Re: Bulkheads
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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"Hi Rob great progress".......
Mike...you really ought to congratulate Graham on his progress, but I'm happy to take the compliment too ๐คฃ Rob. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Hi Rob great progress, I have a fret saw, its one of the most useful tools in the work shop
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๐ฌ Re: Bulkheads
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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"There is also a note in the instructions giving Gary, the designer's email in case of difficulties".
It's reassuring to know that the designer has confidence in his design and will give personal support if required ๐๐ Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Bulkheads
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Nerys,
Yes, it's hard chine. Not really representative of a real Cutter in terms of hull shape. It also has a fin and keel to help keep it upright in a breeze. I'm hoping it will look realistic above the waterline when out on the water. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Bulkheads
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks Rob,
The plans and instructions are excellent and comprehensive. I haven't found any problems with them, ..yet. There is also a note in the instructions giving Gary, the designer's email in case of difficulties. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Bulkheads
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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I was wondering why you were talking about 1/8 ply for the skin of your boat until I saw the frames and realise she is hard chine. Now there has never been a hard chine pilot cutter, but I do not doubt your hard chine gaff cutter will be a formidable boat on the water.
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Looks like you are really getting into it now Graham. They look like great instructions, very easy to follow.
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๐ฌ Re: Bulkheads
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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Hi Graham.
Excellent progress so far. I have to say that the plans, drawings and instructions seem to be extremely well produced and will make construction a joy! Cutting out all of the parts would be a real task if not for your bandsaw. Following with great interest๐ Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Bulkheads
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Graham,
Looks like quite a bit of forward planning required for the internal components. With this model if you see smoke you will know it is not one of your smoker devices LOL!! Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Keel Box
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Michael,
The keel box fits entirely within the hull. The fin will slide into the box from below and hang down below the hull with the keel bulb at the bottom, in the usual way. The keel box in the post is approx. 180mm wide and 150mm deep. The fin is will extend around 350mm below the hull. Overall length of the model is similar to your Crash Tender at 44". As it isn't a scale copy of a real Pilot Cutter, there is no mention of 'scale' on the plans but I'm using an estimate of between 1:12 and 1:15 when I'm thinking about some of the details. I'll try to get an idea of scale of the model into some of the later photos. Graham93 ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Graham Its difficult to see how big this keel is and what its final shape is can we have a picture as it doesn't seem to look like the one in the video. I assume its much longer than the keel box
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๐ฌ Re: Keel Box
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Nerys,
Itโs not really my idea, Iโm just following the plan ๐. I do think it is a good idea though. It should make transport easier and it will also enable trialing of alternative fin/keel weights. Iโll be using a piece of aluminium sheet for the fin. Itโs been sat in the corner of the workshop for years, just waiting for the right project. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Keel Box
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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I think your idea for having a removable fin keel is a good one, I must admit I tried it in an American sharpie I built a while ago and found to be successful. I'm also doing the same in a Thames Barge, I am currently building. It helps with storage and transport amongst other things. I'm also considering having a piece of sheet mild steel for the fin
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Assembly Part 1
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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I've got 4 projects on the go at the moment Graham, (3 individual pieces for 1 project)- don't think my brain could handle 5๐
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Martin, Michael,
I prefer using โtrenailsโ when constructing a model as they donโt need hammering in, and the donโt blunt your tools when cleaning up the joints like metal nails do ๐ . Cocktail sticks work well and are cheap and readily available. Havenโt tried bamboo barbecue sticks but they would be even stronger. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Assembly Part 1
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Go on John, you know you want to...๐๐คฃ
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Assembly Part 1
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Looking very nice so far Graham. I can see it's going to have your usual 'cabinetmakers' touch. Makes me want to start something now๐
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Assembly Part 1
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Don't you just love cocktail sticks ๐ don't forget the bamboo barbecue sticks for the bigger jobs.
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Assembly Part 1
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham,
I like the wood nails. Even at this stage of the build you make it look so clean and tidy with that professional Finnish. Nice work. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Assembly Part 2
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Michael,
โI recon at this rate it will be in the water before the end of the yearโ Yes, but which year? ๐ Certainly not 2020. Hopefully sometime in 2021. At present, as I think through the build, the list of bits to be made and fitted is growing every day. Canโt see an end to it. At least it will keep me busy as we move into Tier 3 lockdown on Saturday. Graham93 ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Hi Graham I recon at this rate it will be in the water before the end of the year, Your still rubbing it in with pictures of that really nice plane,
๐ How about giving it a fellow member as a Christmas present๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Assembly Part 2
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks Rob,
The basic hull has come together quite quickly, but there is still a long way to go. Might be ready to sail by the time we have all been vaccinated ๐. Iโm gradually sanding off the french polish. Itโs not a good finish for surfaces that are going to get wet. ๐ I used โmilled carbon fibreโ to thicken the epoxy resin, thatโs why it is black. Bought it with the resin from Easy Composites. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Assembly Part 2
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Going great guns there Graham, looking good. Obviously designed to be a developable surface build. looks very similar to my 15ft, 1950s US Schock designed 'Sharon Potts' day sailer (just a bit broader). Will probably have similar sailing characteristics as well. I have never had mine planing, despite being out in around 18 knots down wind with jib and main up. The boat just sucks down and sails. Surprisingly fast in light winds as well (has the equivalent rig of a 2 man 470 Olympic dinghy) The guy who designed my boat, Edson I Schock, was a naval architect and did a lot of work on developable surfaces for small boats. He also wrote a book on the subject in the 50s.
I think it's going to be a real nice sailer. JB ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Assembly Part 2
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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Hi Graham.
Excellent and rapid progress๐๐. I have to say that it's quite unique to see a 'French Polished' hull at such an early stage of construction ๐. What did you use to thicken the epoxy used on the internal seams? Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Assembly Part 2
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Martin,
I donโt know much about sailboats either!, but I can follow a plan, and use a saw ๐. I do have a Wee Nip that I built this time last year. It has a single sail and rudder so couldnโt be much simpler to build or sail. Iโve enjoyed learning to sail with that, and Iโm still learning. Sailing is a completely different challenge compared to a powered boat ( or a rowing boat ๐) as everything is dependant on the wind. I donโt have any prior experience with full sized sailboats so itโs been interesting spending time researching different Cutter designs to learn about the sail arrangement, rigging and deck fittings. Iโm sure Iโm going to need lots of advice on these from the members here as this build progresses. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Assembly Part 2
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks Nerys,
Itโs going together well so far. The plans have proven to be accurate and quite straightforward, despite being โhard chineโ ๐ Now Iโm getting over the shock of how big she will be, the hull shape does look good. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Assembly Part 2
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham,
She is certainly coming along nicely. Altho i know absolutely nothing about sail boats i am finding this blog very interesting. Keep it coming. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Assembly Part 2
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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I can't help being deeply impressed with every photo I see of this superb build. Despite being hard chine, she is a fine shape and gives me the impression she will sail well, keep up the good work and keep the pictures coming.
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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JB,
I will need a few. I gave up counting when I got to 20๐ฎ and that was just the single blocks. There are also several doubles needed. Still considering different ways of making them. Graham93 ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Those will look nice once finished and varnished up Graham, guess you have to make a few. Just a suggestion, how about using a wad punch for the block outers, and cut them from thin ply and laminate them to the desired thickness. You could custom make a wad punch from thick wall brass tube squashed to shape and sharpened. That way they should be uniform and save a lot of 'blue air'๐. You could soak the ply first to soften it. pic- an example of some punches for leather available. (these were on the Wish website)
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๐ฌ Re: Stem
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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JB,
Thanks for the link, could come in useful. I plan to try and make most of the fittings from scratch if I can, but I'm not sure some of them will be possible with the equipment I have. I did have a play a couple of days ago at block making. Still some way to go with this before I'm happy with it. Sounds like you had a good Christmas lunch. Mine is in the oven. Hope your stomach recovers soon. ๐ด๐ด Graham93 ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง philcaretaker ( Commodore)
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Great progress Graham ! - Best wishes to you and your good lady ! ๐
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๐ฌ Re: Stem
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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You don't hang about Graham.
Nice work. Have a Merry Christmas you deserve a bit of time off. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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JB,
With the latest announcement from the UK government Iโm going to have plenty of time to work on this in January.โน๏ธ Now in full lockdown (Tier 4). Shops, pubs, restaurants are closed. Only allowed to leave home for essential purposes. Fortunately, leaving home to go to my workshop in the garden is permitted ๐ Graham93 ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Don't worry Graham, at this rate you'll have it done by January 2021๐
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๐ฌ Re: Rudder
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks Martin,
Glad you are enjoying the blog. Iโm certainly enjoying the build, although the more I do, the more I realise there is still to do. It feels a bit overwhelming at present. Graham93 ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham,
This blog gets more interesting every instalment. Your build is also school lessons for me. You never know with your tutelage i might be more knowledgable about sail boats by the time you have finished. Keep it coming. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Planking the Deck - Part 1
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi JB,
Three days on and Iโm still adding planks๐ At least now I can see some progress. ๐ still more to do.๐ Graham93 ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Sounds familiar Graham, days of work with not much to show for it๐
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Hi Graham I like the thought of using what is available rather than buying new all the time, you always seem to buy more than you need ending up with an excess of materials. I've just finished a few weeks ago the planking of the police boat but have not written it up yet.
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๐ฌ Re: Planking the Deck - Part 1
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi JB,
Iโm not โspeed buildingโ, Iโm adding pieces slowly, but just spending a ridiculous number of hours doing it. ๐คฃ๐ That gives the impression of a rapid build. Yesterday I spent 5 hours in the workshop planking, and I couldnโt see much difference at the end of the day. Iโll be glad when the planking is finished and I can get on with some of the more interesting stuff. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Planking the Deck - Part 1
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Going to look very nice when finished Graham๐. Is speed building the latest thing in modelling?๐
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๐ฌ Re: Planking the Deck - Part 1
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Well Graham being a Captain definitely won't improve your model making skills LOL!!
There is not a rank high enough to match your skill level. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Planking the Deck - Part 1
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Ian,
Planking isnโt difficult. Itโs just very time consuming and repetitive. The key is to try and fit every plank as well, or better than the first. Donโt let errors creep in as you get more and more bored with doing the same task over and over ๐. Using strip wood available from the model boat suppliers makes it easier and quicker, if a bit more expensive. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Planking the Deck - Part 1
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks Martin,
Not sure what difference being a Captain makes. I guess Iโlol just keep plodding on ๐ Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Planking the Deck - Part 1
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Rob,
Glad you are enjoying the build. I learnt the planking technique from your Crash Tender blog. ๐ Fortunately (?) this deck is so large that by the time Iโve finished adding a set of planks from one end to the other, the glue has almost dried where I started and I can start the next set. ๐ Graham93 ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ Ianh ( Commander)
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Hi Graham,
I like your post on planking as I have possibly three models to plank ( 2 are refurbishments). Very helpful and gives me a bit of insight into this black art๐๐ ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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Hi Graham.
I'm really enjoying reading your build blog it's well written and photographed ๐๐ I've found the process of planking laborious but very satisfying when it's all sanded back and lacquered. As you say, the worst part is waiting for the glue to set ! Be positive ....perhaps a good thing that you've got a little more time to spend on it ๐ Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Planking the Deck - Part 1
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Congratulations Captain Graham93 On your well deserved promotion.
As for the deck planking it may take a bit of time but i think it will look fantastic when it is completed. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Planking the Deck - Part 2
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Michael,
I didnโt take it as a criticism ๐. The planking finish was a bit rough when I laid them and it took a lot of cleaning up as not all the planks were precisely the same thickness. I did think about it after the fact and thought if ever I do another one, I would do it differently next time. The planks need at least to be thicknessed before being laid. Graham93 ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Graham it wasn't a criticism (a bit rough) just an observation of all planking when its first laid down
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๐ฌ Re: Planking the Deck - Part 2
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง hammer ( Lieutenant)
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The mast is self supporting, a brass pin fits in a wooden block above the keel. The deck is the other support. The ballast lead chips mixed in cement, and a large block of iron placed after transport. Tangles can be a problem. But when I pack up I roll the stay sails round stays holding with masking tape. I also remove top gaff sail if it has been used not that often. More likely just the one stay sail & the main reffed. Rolled around the boom. As full size. I normally blacken all the brass but on this one wanted a bit of bling. ๐
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง hammer ( Lieutenant)
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The mast is self supporting, a brass pin fits in a wooden block above the keel. The deck is the other support. The ballast lead chips mixed in cement, and a large block of iron placed after transport.
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๐ฌ Re: Planking the Deck - Part 2
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks Hammer,
Thatโs much closer to what I have in mind. I like the idea of fitting chainplates and dead eyes. Hadnโt thought about using elastic cord for the lanyards. Does it provide enough tension in the stays to support the mast? Very nice looking model ๐ Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Planking the Deck - Part 2
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง hammer ( Lieutenant)
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I copied full size practice, but use elastic for the land-yards. To pack for transportation unscrew deck, drop the top mast, pull in bowsprit. This gives enough movement to lift the mast from the block, in the bottom of the boat. The mast is then laid forward and pulled back, so it doesnโt protrude beyond the hull. Not as neat as you model, but it is 10years old. PS I never marked the plank fixings on this model I must do that sometime.
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๐ฌ Re: Planking the Deck - Part 2
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham, re the hooks, good idea not to use them, as I have them on the Optimist and they are a pain in the butt! They get hooked on everything when you are trying to rig the boat and cause stays etc to tangle. Almost impossible to keep everything separated, hence me leaving it rigged permanently.
If you could incorporate small jamming cleats on tensioners in your stay system it might make things easier to set up. You could make them from hardwood or brown formica (industrial linen/formica is a nice brown colour) it's like a fibre reinforced formica,- also used in full sized boat pulley blocks, - very tough, - machines well. A pic of the thought. JB ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Planking the Deck - Part 2
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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Hi Graham
Excellent work ๐๐ I like the way you have joggled the planks into the perimeter planks, very authentic detailing. Also the way you have made up a special tool to 'emboss' the wood plug on the plank fixings...very very effective ๐ As for the planks not being absolutely symmetrical about the hatches...nothing to worry about !! As often said to me in similar circumstances.... " A blind man would love to see that".....๐ Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Planking the Deck - Part 2
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi JB,
Thanks for the rigging suggestions, a few things for me to think about there. The plan calls for wire clips on the end of the stays. These are referred to as 'Pelican hooks'. These clip through holes in the bulwark. I'm not planning to do it this way as I would rather use something that looks a bit more true to scale. Graham93 ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham, re rigging,- a few thoughts,- you could make your boom and gaff so they can swing upwards, and make quick release clips at the heads of your foresails. If you used tensioners (small 3 hole tent guy type) on your stays, you can slacken them off without removing anything, slacken and unclip the tops of the foresails, lay them back on the deck, -fold up the boom and gaff and tie them, then lift the mast out (given enough slack) and lay that on a crutch on the deck.
I did a similar thing on my 18ft A class cat, (25ft mast) using a double 2 sheave pulley system on the side stays, with a jamming cleat on the top pulley, so I could leave them attached to aid with stepping the mast (slackening them just enough to flip the mast round to the step). I've done the same sort of thing with the day-sailer and it works well Looked at your plan, but a bit hard to see everything. Guess it will be another challenge to sort out, (it'll keep you busy for a bit longer๐) Pic might give you an idea for something similar. I've used the stay tensioners on a model cat years ago and it made rigging it really quick and easy( just had the tensioners through hooks which attached to eyes in the deck. JB ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks everyone for the 'Likes' and the comments. It really is appreciated.
Martin: I'm enjoying the build, but not the temperature in the workshop first thing in the day. โน๏ธ It takes around 2 hours to become bearable once I have lit the stove ๐ฅ Nerys: Thanks for the reassurance on the butt offset on the planking. It's good to know some boats have it the way I have done. It won't be so obvious once all the rest of the deck fittings are in place. JB: thanks. I have a Wee Nip which I sailed whenever I could last year, but this beast is going to be a whole lot different. Because of it's size, I won't be able to transport it fully rigged so I'm trying to work out how to rig it quickly at the pond side. Michael: The initial planking looked very rough as the planks were just sawn, not planed, but it has cleaned up nicely. Stephen: "Anyone who never made a mistake, never made anything" I keep reminding myself of that ๐ Graham93 ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder ( Captain)
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Hi Graham,
Lovely work, your deck looks fantastic, I agree with Martin no one would have noticed the problem if you hadn't pointed it out. I am glad that I am not the only person who finds out what I have just done is not quite right. Life is full of little lessons... Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Nice work Graham, planking is my favourite part of a build, its so satisfying seeing the initial laid planks looking "a bit rough" then the transformation when its sanded and lacquered
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Would have expected nothing less Graham, beautifully done. Like the way you've done the nibbed ends on the margin plank, very smart! Love the contrasting woods, and also the clever 'fastening plug tool', looks very neat . This is going to look terrific, and I'm sure if you get the sailing bug (not the chinflu bug๐) there will be a next time๐.
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham,
What an excellent job you are making of the cutter. That's as good a laid deck as I've seen in a long time. Don't worry about having butts in alternate runs of planking, I have often seen decks laid like that on full size Thames Barges. I look forward to the rest of your build and certainly of the proof of the pudding when we see her sailing. Cheers, Nerys ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham,
The decking looks absolutely fantastic. As for the hatches not being central, i think if you had not mentioned it i doubt that anyone would of noticed. Excellent workmanship yet again. I am enjoying this build log, keep it coming. Martin555. ▲
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