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๐ฌ Re: Phantom Tug
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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Oh my, Mr. Krinkle, icy you ๐คก
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3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Black Shoe ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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I don't think so, all the water around here is hard now. You probably heard a thud and some unkind words about the ice.๐
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๐ฌ Re: Phantom Tug
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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Did I hear a SPLASH ๐ฆ
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๐ฌ Re: Phantom Tug
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Black Shoe ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Hi Ron, I'm mulling over a couple of ideas on how to do that. There are a few versions of launching methods that I've studied, and I'm trying to consolidate a vertical wall launch as well as a sloping sandy beach method into one device. I've come up with a couple of possibilities, but haven't proven either of them.
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๐ฌ Re: Phantom Tug
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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I suggest you also make a launching cart that you can wheel into the pond. Much safer when dealing with that amount of ballast.
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๐ฌ Re: Phantom Tug
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Black Shoe ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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You are right about that! My biggest fear is getting over center and following the boat into the pond.
My system has become launch then ballast, and hauling out take out the ballast then the hull. I use divers weight bags that are sewn into "bean bags". Red are five pounds, blue are three pounds, and yellow are one pound. They're compact, and won't shift in the bilge. There's no way I could do it any other way without damaging myself or worse, the boat! ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Phantom Tug
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Looks good so far.At 55" and 50 LB keep eating your Wheaties as you need to keep strength up for water testing.
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๐ฌ Re: Phantom Tug
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Black Shoe,
Looking good so far. Keep it up. I will be following with great interest. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Phantom Tug
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Black Shoe ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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No Ron, I'm not that quick! I'm only a half-fast builder!
These next several hundred "chapters" will be catch ups. Just kidding, it won't be that many....๐ The boat is a long way from finished where the detailing and weathering is concerned, but has actually done sea trials and found to be very stable with smooth operation. One does have to anticipate where and how fast she's going because with the weight and size it won't stop on a dime, but I wouldn't want it any other way...a scale boat should act scale... I've done a few unorthodox things with the "machinery" which I'll describe as we get deeper into this saga. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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Wow!Quick build...or, maybe you are just catching us up with the build.
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Black Shoe.
The hull is looking really good. Well done. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Black Shoe ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Thank you ToraDog,
Thinking seriously about what kind of tow. It won't be a hawser tow, or a pusher, most likely on the hip for some kind of harbor work.... the jury is still out.๐ ▲
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3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Black Shoe ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Hi Ron,
The rudder is actually red oak, drilled and pinned to keep it true. The green clamps are actually garden clips used to train vines to a lattice. They're very inexpensive, light weight, and only moderate pressure. (Ebay) ▲
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3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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Is that white Oak or Ash you used for the rudder?
Where did you find those green spring clamps? Do you like them better than other styles? Cool figures! ▲
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3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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Wicked nice work, as usual.Your patience and attention to detail is impressive. You do, of course, have a tow job in mind for her, yes?
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3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Black Shoe ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Thank you Graham! The springs under compression were an experiment, but far superior to a tension spring.
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3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Black Shoe ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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JB, Thank you for the photos and particularly the links! Excellent resource and a very handsome tug!
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Nicely thought out solution. ๐ I like the chain tensioners/shock absorbers. Might try something similar for the helm on my Cutter build.
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi, the Preserved NZ steam tug, William C Daldy has this type of steering system, with chains running round the deck under covers, from the quadrant to the steering motor, ( pictured is the aux steering station behind the engine room, with the steering motor.)
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๐ฌ Re: Phantom Tug
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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Super build Tim
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3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Black Shoe ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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MTurpin013, The distance from the rudder to the servo is to scale. The old steam tugs that used chains here in the US had them run from the quadrant on the rudder post to a steam engine dedicated to the steering. This engine was housed in the aft end of the engine room or a space in the aft end of the deckhouse. The tugs that had chains across the deck like this also had a longitudinal box that covered the chains preventing the crew from stumbling over them. Seguin a once iconic tug in the NE US had them in this configuration. S.S. Master in the Pacific NW has chains that go from the quadrant directly outboard to a turning sheave, run forward outside of the bulwarks, then turn back inboard at the after end of the house and engage the steering engine.
I don't know how many vessels used them, but I thought they were interesting enough to figure a way to incorporate them in this build. The images show a recent model of Seguin with the boxes installed ToraDog, you're too kind! Thank you! ▲
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3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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Great blog, but for those from "away", it is much more fun to see this build in person.โ๏ธ
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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That's a fine mechanism you've built there, is there any reason you've put the servo so far away from the rudder?
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๐ฌ Re: Phantom Tug - "Fort Valley"
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Hi there, some really great modelling skills there, a beautiful boat well built.
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3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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Impressive work! The clarity of the wood grain, the mullions around inside of the windows, the panels in the doors, hinged and sliders. Quality detail workmanship Tim.
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๐ฌ Re: Phantom Tug - "Fort Valley"
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Nice job I like the doors. looks good on the water.
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๐ฌ Re: Phantom Tug - "Fort Valley"
3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Magnificent BS ๐
Looking forward to the 'Smoker' chapter. Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fort Valley
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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You Funny Douglas ๐ค๐ค ๐ฅด๐๐๐คฃ๐๐ฅธ
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3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Black Shoe ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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I was thinking weed eater, but I'll give the trimmer a go, it may have a little more finesse.๐๐
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3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Can recommend a Panasonic Hair and Beard Trimmer Black Shoe ๐
Get the washable one with adjustable head and cut length ๐ Fuzz on Man ๐ Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Tug Fort Valley
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Very nice work.
Love the bunks. The forward fender reminded me of a mop, LOL!! Looking forward to the next instalment. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Peejay ( Midshipman)
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Those are great photos. In addition to showing your lowering sling, the second one really shows the size of your tug.
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๐ฌ Re: Tug Fort Valley
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Black Shoe ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Thank you Peejay.
You're right about the weight being a hurdle. Using a wagon to launch on an easy slope is one thing, but leaning over a wall or from a dock is another matter. I've taken to using slings to launch the hull, then ballast with diver's "bean bags" I found on Ebay. These are soft sided and can be moved around vs having form fitting weights that are restricted to a particular space in the hull. The bags don't move, and don't need to be contained by structure. I just place them to maintain a true waterline. (From experimenting.) Photo: Here's the ballast I use... Four 5 lb bags Two 4 lb bags Two 1 lb bags Main propulsion battery (12Ah SLA @9.5 lbs) Tug 13 lbs +/- 52.5 total The second photo is the sling affair I've been using to launch the hull. They're the rubber tie- down straps with some nylon line spliced through holes where the metal hooks were removed and a piece of closet pole for a strong back. A hole is drilled through the pole so the line doesn't tend to twist the pole handle. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Tug Fort Valley
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Black Shoe ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Thank you Doug...that's a pretty high bar!
As far as the lunacy is concerned, one doesn't have to be, but it does help! ▲
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3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Peejay ( Midshipman)
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This is a very well imagined and well executed build. Taking notes for a future tug build. I do have a plan for the interior of the actual tug, which should be helpful for placing the bunks.
In view of your comment that you will ballast after floating the tug, what are you (or did you) use for ballast, and where do you put it in. I think that is a great idea, so the fun of running the tug isnโt impaired by back pain. ๐ ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Fascinating lunacy Black Shoe ๐๐
Well made, something worthy of our mate Martin! How about some portholes for a side peek inside?? Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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