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๐ฌ Re: HMS Cruiser. 1/64 scale 18 gun brig of war
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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Thanks Martin. I have already picked this one up and found it to be of great assistance.
I am making steady progress but have already learned two valuable lessons. 1. Despite the fact that the parts appear to have been accurately cut, I need to take more time in preparation and dry fitting before applying the glue. This became apparent when I decided to glue the false deck onto the bulkheads. I should have sanded the knees on the bulkheads and the slots in the false deck more accurately. 2. The equivalent of 'measure twice, cut once'. I am embarrassed to admit, but I attempted to fit the first gunport bulwark the wrong way round, i.e. the front bit at the back and the back bit at the front ! This involved bevelling and cutting the wrong end to the 'correct' angle to fit at the bow. Luckily I noticed my mistake before glueing and only had to fit a small wedge into the back end where the bulwark joins the transom.. I put this bo**ock down to my age (again)! The next job on the build was to bevel the bulkheads to allow the planks to fit flat on them. Quite a time consuming task. I found that moving a plank down the bulkheads and sanding or filing each one and moving down about an inch at a time was the best way. I then needed to bend and fit the gunport bulwarks. Having researched various methods of bending the wood, I decided to follow the instructions which suggested soaking in warm water for an hour or so. Having done this I dry fitted and clamped them to the bulkheads, leaving overnight. (picture 3) This worked very satisfactorily (picture 1) and they are now glued in place, including the wedge mentioned above! (picture 2). I have dry fitted the pre-formed bulwark capping strips and I seem to have got the shape and curve of the bulwarks pretty well. Next job is the first planking of the hull, so if I haven't bored you too much with my ramblings, please stay tuned. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: HMS Cruiser. 1/64 scale 18 gun brig of war
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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This utube video might help you.
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๐ฌ Re: First Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง jacko ( Lieutenant Commander)
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3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Good luck Steve,๐ค
My Panasonic Beard Trimmer sorts out my Bearding Line quite well. ๐ What I really need is a better Butt Shifting System ... to get it off the armchair more often!! ๐ค The 3 or 4 Butt systems seem a bit extravagant somehow ๐ฎ Happy Butting! Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: First Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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Thanks Doug. I have me Bearding Line and Butt Shift System to contend with next, but the more I do the easier it becomes.
Steve. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: First Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Well 'fettle me trunnions' Steve ๐ฎ
Bit of a switch for you. I'm intrigued to see how you get on. Good luck ๐ค above all 'enjoy the ride' ๐ Cheers, Doug ▲
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๐ฌ Re: First Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฆ๐บ Lyle ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Planking and more Planking. I live in OZ and I learnt from a heritage furniture specialist and have used this for years. THE plank is painted with Phenyll from the supermarket. I remember my Grandmother sterilised the toilet with stinky Phenyll. The furniture man said it came into use as early as the historical no supermarkets , then, Napolionic furniture makers for bending veneer and WOOD.Is is so good.The strips are painted both sides with phenyll , just a model paintbrush straight from the bottle. Then I apply simple Hardware wood white furniture glue PVAto the plank and the hull former ( poly vinyl acetate) " Selleys, etc " and after some moments the SUPPLE plank is pinned , braced , tied whatever in place. I do so gently and as it is "wet " no splits cracks etc . I recently did hull and back planking on the Louise Heloise with half inch planks 1/16 thick, 1/32 thick 1/8 thick of Cedar , teak, Mahogany and Huon Pine woods and NO DRYING STAINS. I have then always properly sealed my model hulls etc. I leave to dry 24 hours till the next day, very dried as normal to remove the fasteners. I have done this over 30 years now , power boats ply , sail wood boats ALL . IT is very easy over the years in salt water as I boat in the local sea lake channel. Regards Lyle.
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๐ฌ Re: First Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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No, just soaked them for about an hour. They become very flexible, but I'm now pretty certain that the problem around the bow is my own fault for not tapering them soon enough after the first planks.
I've just put two more on since writing, paying more attention to the taper, and they seem to be laying better. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: First Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง jacko ( Lieutenant Commander)
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did you steam the planks first
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๐ฌ Re: First Planking Finished
3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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"A dear friend of mine says that this exercise will make me a better planker or a complete planker. "
'Only faals and harses' eh Steve? ๐ด๐ So far so good, and much learned Next layer should be a piece of cake!๐ Cheers, Doug ๐ PS Practise your bevelling - use a chunk of 2x1 wrapped with 180 grit, ca 6" long, i.e. enough to always cover at least two formers. ๐ ▲
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3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Looks good and it is a lot of work.
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๐ฌ Re: First Planking Finished
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Scratchbuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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Steve.
Well done.You should be quite proud of your planking. Re the last sentence ๐๐๐๐๐ Looking forward to the next instalment. Regards Bill. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Second Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Wot a planker! ๐ฎ๐
Persevere Steve ๐ This looks like being a 'Copper Bottomed' project. Hat off to you for tackling it. Main thing; You don't glue yourself to it ๐ญ Cheers, Doug ๐ PS "though not being encouraged by my wife wondering why I am filling the sink with water and floating twigs in it!" Tell the Missus you are experimenting with new recipes for herbal teas - to prevent Covid19 and the Common Cold! ๐ ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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My left thumb is cracked and bleeding, my right forefinger has an extra skin of superglue and my left thumb seems to have PVA poisoning.
On the premise that everything will be alright in the end, I continue, though not being encouraged by my wife wondering why I am filling the sink with water and floating twigs in it! Once again, the bow section is causing problems. I had read in a different publication, of 'drop strakes', which I tried, but removed the planks before the glue dried, as I couldn't get it to line up properly. To get myself back on track I used a filler, though technically not a stealer I suppose, it doesn't look too bad. As you can see, I will have gaps between the planks and also pin holes (which I have not yet been able to invisibly fill). My thoughts are to leave the sawdust in the cracks when I finally sand down, which will act as a filler. Careful application of a matt varnish will seal it? Any observations chaps? I optimistically estimate that I have got about half way. I will soon be down to the waterline, (there's a song there somewhere), after which I will not have to bother about filling as the copper plates will cover it. I am assuming of course, that fitting 900 copper plates will be easier than planking! ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Second Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง GaryLC ( Captain)
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Very nice planking job there, congratulations. Regards, Gary.
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๐ฌ Re: Second Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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Both planks went on ok and, yes , of course, the drilling is to stop the plank splitting, as I found when I put an extra pin in without.
A bit of sawdust mixed with pva and gently sanded back when dry, fills the holes nicely. The use of masking tape on the after end of the planks was also successful. Thanks for your advice chaps. Much appreciated. I have now decided to copper plate the hull below the water line, so the pressure will soon be off, for planking, anyway! ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Second Planking
3 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ figtree7nts ( Admiral)
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Hi Steve,
Your doing a real good job! Of the Planking of your model! Cheers, Ed ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Second Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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I've just put a couple more planks on, one each side, using the brass pins, and pre-drilling the holes with a 0.5mm drill (as recommended in the instructions, I assume to stop the wood splitting).
At the aft end of the planks I am trying Nonsuch's suggestion of masking tape, which seems to be working also. I will let you both know how it turns out in the morning๐ค. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Second Planking
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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As I understand gorilla wood glue is PVA type of glue.I find I have good success with gorilla glue .
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๐ฌ Re: Second Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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Thanks Rick, that's encouraging. Any reason for the use of Gorilla as opposed to PVA?
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๐ฌ Re: Second Planking
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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I find supper glue for me is hard to use . My preference is gorilla wood glue and small pin nails and clamps. The holes fill easily when sanding
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๐ฌ Re: Second Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nonsuch ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Perfect. You don't need the precision of Moore and Wright to hold a plank on.
Be warned though, you'll soon be using them for everything! ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Second Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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Thanks for that. I admit to not owning any.
Would this be a good starter pack? ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nonsuch ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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The tool makers clamp also works while trial fitting a plank. It effectively gives you an extra hand so you can lock a plank in place and still have two hands for manipulating the rest of the plank while adjusting the fit. You can't use CA to test fit.
Tool makers clamps can be adjusted so the jaws are parallel to the wood, avoiding unsightly compression marks. I have about ten of them in various sizes. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Second Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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That does make sense and I hadn't thought of masking tape.
Thank you. Perhaps superglue on the first inch at the bow to get an instant bond? ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Second Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nonsuch ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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I'm not a fan of superglue for planking, prefering more "wet" working time.
One method of holding planks in place, that I find useful sometimes, is masking tape. Simply place masking tape along the plank being fitted. Press the tape to the adjacent plank and at the other edge, which steps down to the first layer of planking, use your finger nail to make the tape contact as close to the new plank edge as possible. This is OK for planks requiring little force to hold them down, but often not up to holding them at the bow where the curves are tighter. The problem here is keeping the very tip of the new plank from lifting away from the stem. On the full size, there would be a groove in the stem to accept the tip of the new plank. You can add a temporary edge to hold the tip of the plank by fitting a toolmakers clamp onto the stem. Place the end of the clamp parallel to the planking line, leaving a gap equal to the plank thickness. The new plank then "slots" into your temporary planking groove. This method is far more solid than pins and does not inflict any damage to the plank. A pin can be inserted next to the new plank, to hold it against your previous plank. I don't have anything at this building stage to photograph for you. If it doesn't make sense, let me know and I'll try and make some illustrations. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Copper Plating the Hull
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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Thanks Martin and for the tip about the green paint. It is 'in your face' at the moment and I can't really wait for the verdigris to form naturally.
I will try that before starting on the masts etc. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Steve,
Great work so far, you have become a good Planker and part time coppersmith. Later in the build you might want to dull down the copper so that it dose not look new. Some different shades of green paint rubbed on with a rag should do the trick. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Copper Plating the Hull
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง jimdogge ( Warrant Officer)
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Hi cormorant only just seen your post about clamps l have a couple of moore and wright clamps and hardly use them l invested in the pistol squeeze type they come in all sizes mine range from 20 ins down to 4ins they are great one handed use and can be reversed so they can be used as a spreader.
goodluck stay safe Jim. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Copper Plating the Hull
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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Thanks for the vote of confidence Bill, it means a lot.
Steve ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Copper Plating the Hull
3 years ago by ๐ฎ๐ช billmcl61 ( Warrant Officer)
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Hi Steve,
I might be strange but I think I would be more interested in the copper plating ๐, it looks great .. good job Bill ▲
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๐ฌ Re: And Even More Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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Thank you Nonsuch. I will bear your tips in mind for future builds, particularly the deck planking. I have tried using a sharp pencil for the caulking lines in the past but it has never worked.
Also, lining the gun ports may also get me out of trouble. Thank you. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nonsuch ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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For your first "static" she's looking good.
I agree on doing the deck first. I even take it a stage further and paint the inside of the bulwark planks before fitting them. Any chips and scratches can easily be touched up later. No masking required. I'm very bad at buying a kit and then not using over half of it! I usually use sapele veneer for decks. One edge of the strip is wiped with an artists charcoal block before glueing in place. When "sanded" it gives the finest black caulking line imaginable. Note I say "sanded" as I finish decks with a small cabinet scraper, after first locking the grain down with thinned polyurethane varnish. Don't start scraping until the coats of varnish stop soaking in. Then just go with the grain, adding more coats and scraping each until perfectly smooth. If your gun ports are too big, consider lining them with veneer strips. ....but well done! ▲
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๐ฌ Re: And Even More Planking
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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I still say that for your first plank on frame build you are doing a grate job.
Plank on frame builds get better the more you do. Keep going it's looking good. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Complete
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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Thanks Mike, very helpful. The xacto number 11 is very similar in shape to the Swann Morton scalpel blades I normally use.
I should now get much better ports in my next model! Steve ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Looking great so far Steve, takes a lot of patience to tackle those projects, with so many parts to them. If I tried one of those, it would very quickly become a 'flying boat'๐
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Complete
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nonsuch ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Once I have the approximate position marked, I drill a small centre hole. I choose the centre, rather than a corner because unless I make a total horlicks of it, the hole will always be within the cut out area. I then place the metal strip (whose width is equal to the height of the gun port over the deck) an hold it inside the bulwark with a couple of clips. Then from the outside, using an X-Acto number 11, I cut a triangle from the pilot hole down to the baseline, but not quite the full width so I have some safety margin. The brass template then goes on and the port is "shaved" out with the X-Acto.
The X-Acto number 11 is a long wedge shaped blade and basically the only one I use. Being a straight cutting edge, if you know where the tip is then you know just where the rest of the blade is, unlike curved blades that can be causing damage whilst you are watching the tip. Never use a curved blade to cut off excess rigging.....you will regret it! Mike๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Complete
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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Thanks so much for the comments Doug!
I was going to put her aside for a few months and get back into my comfort zone with a semi kit of a 77ft Elco which I have in the loft. However, you have encouraged me to keep going. Steve ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Complete
3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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"I don't know whether to be disappointed or not ..."
I do Steve DEFINITELY NOT!! ๐ Bl***y fantastic result, first or eleventy-first such model. When I was about 15 (many many moons ago๐) I foolishly bought a Spanish galleon kit ๐ค Consisted of a pile of planks and bags and bags of twiddly bits. I.e. rough cut the hull profile on six 3/4" planks, glue 'em all together with two 1/2" dowels through guide holes to line 'em up. THEN, hours and hours and days and days of chiselling, planing, rasping to try and get near the hull shape! Needless to say I gave up after 3 or 4 weeks ๐ค Never touched such a 'sandwich' build kit or vintage sailing ship again. Still have the cannons and the rigging cord though ๐ But lost me trunnions somewhere!โน๏ธ I admire your guts for taking on such a task so far outside your normal comfort zone, and the skill and perseverance you have put into her! Your copper bottom is magnificent ๐ (๐ฎ๐) A millenary shop-full of Hat's Off's Sir ๐ Keep it up ๐ Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Complete
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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Hi Nonsuch.
Having completed the outer planking, I drilled small holes in it through the pre-cut gunports in the bulwark. I then opened up the holes into the shape of the pre-cuts from the outside. I then did the same thing once I had planked the inner bulwarks. By the time I had opened the ports from both sides, I had no definitive guide and I tended to follow the line of the planks, hence some/many of them are not the correct height above the deck. Your practice of using a metal strip placed on the deck and then your treasured brass strip, would help me immensely. My main question, what tool/s do you use to cut the bottom edge and the ports? Thanks. Steve ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Complete
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nonsuch ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Well done. A splendid result for a first static.
I know it's a bit late now, but..... I have an old treasured brass strip which has various sizes of square cut outs along it's length. Once gun port positions are marked out, I cut the bottom edge of the port using a metal strip placed on the deck (inside the bulwark) as a spacer and cutting guide. Once the bottom edge is established, I line up an appropriately sized square cut out in the brass strip (on the outside) and clamp it to the bulwark. The port can then be cut to the brass template. The process is simply repeated for each port. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Complete
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Scratchbuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Steve.
As always splendid craftsmanship on your part. A pleasure to read your blogs. Regards Bill. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Hull Complete
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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I think you are doing a great job.
She looks good to me. These are not easy boat's to make. Keep up the good work. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Deck Fittings
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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More excellent advice and tips. Thank you once again Mike.
I purchased an airbrush some time ago and have never used it in 'anger', so I will certainly consider that option on future builds. Steve ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nonsuch ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Remember mistakes are not mistakes unless you do the same thing again. Make them only once and they're the learning curve.
You're doing fine. The scalpel issue isn't you. They're designed for surgery, not whittling wood. X-acto are much thicker blades in a solid clamp handle - no comparison. Having said this I sand my gratings on the famous Aldi mini bench disc sander. As standard the platform to disc gap is far too high and it breaks things, so I clamp a piece of 5mm ply to the platform so it nearly touches the sanding disc. The channels should not be taking much tension, other than compressive against the ships side. I do however use edge pins. Drilling the edge is easy if you make a simple jig. See photos. The jig is square brass tube with three equally spaced holes. Straddle the edge of the channel so the pins are against opposite sides and the "drilling hole" is exactly central every time. Chain plate anchors need to be more solid, but not much. Rigging tension needs to be surprisingly low. You're not holding up a mast and fighting a sail in a storm, merely making the cord taught, as in not sagging. Over tight rigging will give problems as you add further cordage. The mast or yard should be straight without correcting it with rigging tension. Wire components for chainstays are "difficult" in several ways, specially for getting visually matching results. Some kit manufacturers offer an etched brass upgrade option. This usually includes chainplates, which are far easier to work with. Gun colour, I've tried most things and they nearly all have problems. If you add etched brass gun detail, like flintlock triggers and royal crests, the problem gets worse! My solution is light airbrushing with Mr Color black primer. It looks like the barrel has been very thinnly plastic dipped with a satin sheen. Hope this helps. Keep up your good work. Mike๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Deck Fittings
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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You are doing a great job,
She is coming along nicely. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Steve's comments made me think of the complexity of rigging a ship in Nelson's navy (and before and after) Weeks of work, making the spars , stepping the masts, sending up the yards, splicing wire, splicing rope, whipping, making blocks, deadeyes, cleats, belaying pins, all the thousand and one jobs before she is ready for sea, then a few days at sea, run into a Frenchman trying to beat the Brest blockade, bang! bang! an unlucky French cannon ball in the wrong place and it all comes tumbling down.
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Steve,
All your hard work is paying off. She is really looking good. Congratulations on your promotion Lieutenant Commander Cormorant. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cormorant ( Lieutenant Commander)
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Thanks so much for the photos, all is a lot clearer now! Together with the comments from Nerys and Martin 555 (thank you both), it should come together nicely.
I have also been thinking about your comments on making a round mast square or a square mast round. I made my 'squares' by initiating the flats with a small electric drill fitted with a circular sander (see picture), and finishing off with needle file and sanding block. I take your point about getting a crisp transition between round and square. Thank you again for your advice. Steve ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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looking fantastic Steve, obviously a lot of work going into it, ๐
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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It's a long time since I built a static model with squaresails, but if I remember correctly I drilled two holes in the yard, either side of the mast, then threaded yarn through the holes and around the mast, tyeing off neatly, then fixing with a blob of glue. This then simulated the way it would have been done on a real ship with parrel balls on a rope around the mast allowing it to be hoisted ans swung when tacking.
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nonsuch ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Welcome to the perverse world of static sail!
Have you noticed how kit manufacturers think that you can sand a 6mm round dowel into a 6x6mm square? I cheat and make masts from square stock in the first place. The topmast is obviously the most critical as it has square sections top and bottom. These must be parrallel otherwise the mast will have a twist in it. Starting with square allows top and bottom square sections to be easily alligned before rounding the middle part. I am fortunate to have a milling machine with spindexer, plus a lathe with a four jaw chuck. Without machinery, the simplest way us to make a tapered square mast (like a long skinny obelisk) then taping off the square sections to protect them from the sandpaper as you create the round section. Try and concentrate on getting crisp square to round transisions, over as short a distance as possible. Yards are attached by trusses which may be a plain rope sling or have parrels (a type of wooden bearing made of parrel ribs and wooden beads called trucks). See attached photos. Good luck, Mike ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Steve keep up the good work. I do think the cannons are good.
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2 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Colin H ( Fleet Admiral)
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Welcome back Steve, that's some very nice rigging. You must have steady hands, good eyesight and vast amounts of talent.
Cheers Colin. ▲
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2 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Scratchbuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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Great to see you back Steve.
Looking forward to the next input. Regards Bill ▲
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2 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Steve,
I am glad to see you back on the site it has been a while. Absolutely awesome work. I have made one or two of these stick and string boats before so i know what a real time consuming tricky job you have been doing. Well done Sir. Martin555. ▲
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