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📝 Billings - Dragen
3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald (
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This is an older Billings kit. Not a scratch build this time, rather nice after all other boats lately. I kept patterns of the parts.
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3 years ago by 🇬🇧 Madwelshman (
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I have only just seen this build blog.
My Uncle had an International Dragon and my Father a National Swallow, both of which have fairly similar hull lines, so this build appeals greatly to me. Will ▲
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📝 Request ideas from you
3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald ( Admiral)
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Here is what I have, a rudder post that comes up through the hull at an unusual angle.
I have seen that some people use elaborate pulleys and cables. But, there must be another solution?
Please share your ideas.
Thanks,
Ron
I have seen that some people use elaborate pulleys and cables. But, there must be another solution?
Please share your ideas.
Thanks,
Ron
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💬 Re: Request ideas from you
3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald (
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Someone posted how they used pulleys and line to solve this problem but I do not know who did. Do you recall?
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3 years ago by 🇬🇧 JOHN (
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Hi there Ron
At the moment one of the only things I can think of, apart from using pulleys and springs, is a 2 gear set up - meaning the gears are of equal diameter and teeth - one mounted on the rudder shaft and the other would be mounted on the servo. I was thinking of using maybe mini-servos - the ones that aeroplane guys use - when controlling the flaps in the wings. This setup I was thinking would be the servo to the side of the shaft, mounted at the same angle,. I have been googling the web to see if I can find anyone else who has actually fitted a radio into this model and see how they have done it - and also what size the model is. Its very hard to tell from the photographs. Here is a scribble I have done - you may be able to follow it. John 
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📝 Who posted the solution of Rudder Controll with pulleys and Tiller Arm
3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald ( Admiral)
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Whom ever posted this solution , please contact me.
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💬 Re: Who posted the solution of Rudder Controll with pulleys and Tiller Arm
3 years ago by 🇬🇧 JOHN (
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hi there Ron
I have only ever used these once on a standoff model of the Virgin Atlantic Challenger. It was a pretty short run from servo to rudder. I would say about 70mm. As far as I recall, without climbing into the loft and getting the model out. Its a very stiff nylon inner and a hard plastic outer but it can be bent quite easily. I think there is only one connector on one end because you have to cut the other end to length as you require and obviously fit your own connections onto that. It works pretty good, I was quite sceptical at first about using them, but, as long as you support the outer casing pretty secure to stop it moving it works really well. Here are a couple of pics - its just to show you the set up that I have in my model. John 
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3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald (
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I know about them, seen in the hobby store. Just never used. Are they a stiff rod? Do they come with a connector which attaches to the control horn at both ends?
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💬 Re: Who posted the solution of Rudder Controll with pulleys and Tiller Arm
3 years ago by 🇬🇧 JOHN (
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hi there Ron
Have you thought of using the plastic snakes that aircraft folk use? Where you could put the servo well in the hull of the model and run maybe one or two flexible snake connectors to a tiller which is mounted lower down in the hull below decks; that means you could leave the wooden tiller above decks as a real yacht. Also you could use the ball joints on the end of the servo mount which would give you an extra bit of movement. just a thought.... John ▲
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💬 Re: Who posted the solution of Rudder Controll with pulleys and Tiller Arm
3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald (
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I am going above deck
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💬 Re: Who posted the solution of Rudder Controll with pulleys and Tiller Arm
3 years ago by 🇬🇧 Graham93 (
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Hi Doug,
“ I think the latest version was by Graham” I did post my solution recently, but that was for an angled tiller which is not attached to the rudder, so I was able to get away with elasticated cords running over a steel rod. The rudder shaft is vertical in my hull, so the servo connection is straightforward. That solution wouldn’t work well in this case. I think this needs pulley wheels and cords, either above or below deck. Graham93 ▲
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3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald (
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Doug posted a response from a below deck, but I will be doing this above deck.
Mike sent me this sketch, Line around pulleys to a wooden tiller and back to a double control arm on the Servo. I have seen this posted recently on a boat. 
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3 years ago by 🇬🇧 kevinsharpe (
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Hi I have seen an arrangement were small copper tubing is used to guide a cord to the tiller. Obviously does no have to be brass. On the arrangement I saw the tubing emerged from the deck at a shallow angle allowing for a closed loop cord to operate the rudder.
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3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald (
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Someone did the work so the lines ran above deck.
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3 years ago by 🇩🇪 RNinMunich (
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Hi Ron,
I think the latest version was by Graham (of rowing, smoking crew fame!) He had the same problem; rudder post angled to the deck and tiller above deck on his Gaff cutter. ▲
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📝 Fibreglassed and ready to be primed
3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald ( Admiral)
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Weather is not conducive for primer so I shall make a stand, make the rudder, glue in the rudder post and work on the interior.
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📝 Printed deck does not fit the hull
3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald ( Admiral)
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Yup, the printed deck, (which I know many of you would not use), but, instead casting it aside, it was cut in half. Planed the edges with a small block plane, and fit the two pieces to the hull. A strip of mahogany will be added to the centre and all should be just fine.
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3 years ago by 🇩🇪 RNinMunich (
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Hi Ron,
Nice going so far 👍 I prefer to use a graphic artists Fine Liner (0.5mm) rather than pencil. It gives a finer, darker line without smudging. 😉 When I get around 🙄 to continuing with my ancient Billing Boats Gina 2 fish cutter restoration / RC conversion that's a job I will have to do. The original printed deck was tinder dry, paper thin and fell apart in my hand! 😭 I'll then seal the new deck (probably 1mm marine ply) with EzeKote. Gives a nice gloss as well. I may tint the deck with Lord Nelson varnish to give a bit of colour. I also recently bought a LifeColor deck weathering set. Not tried it yet though. Cheers, Doug 😎 ▲
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3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald (
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Doug,
Progress with the deck. Now after scoring do I use a #2 pencil to highlight the groove? Then give the clear coat? I plan to fibreglass the deck after the coaming is made this will insure a water tight hull. 
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💬 Re: Printed deck does not fit the hull
3 years ago by 🇩🇪 RNinMunich (
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Just score along the printed lines with a sharp pointed round scriber before varnishing Ron and no one will know the difference 😉
Build is looking good 👍 Cheers, Doug 😎 ▲
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📝 Ink bled
3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald ( Admiral)
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Doug, the ink bled after marking the deck, then applying a clearcoat. It made the deck look aged.
I tried sanding it, but it just made it worse. So, I will try something different, but seeing how it was raw wood, I think it is stained now. It is not going to come out.
Possible after coaming is done and everything fibreglassed, I will paint the deck to match the hull, or a contrasting colour.
I tried sanding it, but it just made it worse. So, I will try something different, but seeing how it was raw wood, I think it is stained now. It is not going to come out.
Possible after coaming is done and everything fibreglassed, I will paint the deck to match the hull, or a contrasting colour.
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3 years ago by 🇩🇪 RNinMunich (
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"the ink bled"
Oh dear! Very sorry about that Ron.🤔 Mia culpa! 😔 I should have mentioned that I don't use the Fineliner on raw wood, only after sanding sealer, e.g. diluted EzeKote, treatment! Anyway, as long as you are happy with how it eventually turned out 👍 You might be able to 'wash' some of the ink off with something like cellulose thinners. Or it might make the whole deck go grey, like weathered wood! Cheers, Doug 😎 ▲
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📝 Add a deck colour
3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald ( Admiral)
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I painted several other sailboat decks too, no big deal!
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📝 Looks like a very old weathered deck...I like it!
3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald ( Admiral)
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Took some hard sanding which is not good for arthritic fingers but, the results are nice, at least to me. Making a new build look old!
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📝 All is well Doug
3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald ( Admiral)
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Coaming is made. Rudder post looking good too. Next building the cabin to fit over coaming.
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📝 Tiller arm linkage changes
3 years ago by 🇨🇦 Ronald ( Admiral)
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I slotted the tiller, secured the servo and added the aft cowling frame.
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3 years ago by 🇩🇪 RNinMunich (
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"Looking forward to seeing her under sail."
Me 2 Nerys 👍 But I think I would have preferred to have the tiller as one with the rudder and the control linkage under deck. With the Canadian cousin of Graham's rowing Bionic Bill up top with his hand on the tiller. 😎 ▲
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3 years ago by 🇬🇧 Nerys (
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I do like the way you have linked the servo to the tiller, Nice build all round . Looking forward to seeing her under sail.
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