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3 years ago by π¬π§ mistyoptic ( Midshipman)
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Nerys, Thank you for your prompt reply, and the information there in.
I have since found a sail plan from a schouw and this will give me some exact dimensions to work to, scaled to the size of my boat. Thanks for the information about the loose jib, it was concerning me that in a boat of this size, to have to control both sails from one servo would be tricky. In the past I have sailed Marbleheads and R36r in competition and have dismissed the idea that,, in this boat, a full 90 degree sail sweep is not going to be possible nor even desirable. So a small sail movement will be adequate and, of course, with the auxiliary engine I will be able to get out of trouble! The amount of thought that this model is provoking is mind-blowing! Best wishes Geoff. ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Geoff,I think that picture would be a very good one to follow in your build. If you look in 'My Harbour' you will see that I scratchbuilt a Dutch schouw yacht some months ago with a similar rig. She sailed very well and I was more than pleased with her. Both main and staysail are loose footed. I cut the mainsail with the curved head to fit the curved gaff which I had previously carved. The mainsail was tight laced to the gaff, in fact, sewn on. The luff of the mainsail can be either loosely laced to the mast or, as I did, laced to mast rings, which I found amongst the jewellery findings in a craft shop. The foot of the mainsail is just fastened to each end of the boom, that gives a nice curved flow to the sail. The staysail is held to the forestay again with small metal rings, about 5mm diameter, from a craft shop. I use them on jibs and staysails on any sailing craft (mainly Thames Barges) I build. The jib is loose footed and is sheeted with a loop of string loosely going from one side of the boat to the other left loose enough for the foot of the jib to have enough flow to be following the curve of the bow. The clew of the sail has a small ring on it and runs free on the sheet. The jib, or staysail, is thus self activating and does not need a servo.
I hope that answers your queries, but if there is anything else, or I'm not clear enough, please let me know. I'm only too pleased to help. Best of luck, I look forward to updates on your build. Nerys ▲
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π¬ Re: DUTCH AUXILIARY
3 years ago by π¨π¦ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Looks to be a wonderful next project.Good luck with the build.
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3 years ago by π¬π§ mistyoptic ( Midshipman)
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Nerys, Thank you for your idea and I have found this pic on the net which I think may be an example of what you are speaking of. It would certainly give me the idea of what is required and I wonder if you would kindly comment on these items for me.
1 It looks as though both sails are loose footed. 2. The main is laced quite loosely to the mast. 3. The main looks a though it is quite closely attached to the curved jib, how would this have been fixed. 4. I think I could well use this as a pattern to follow your idea. Many thanks Geoff. ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Seanympth ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Geoff,
Thank you for sharing your next project, I love the introduction, the plan looks challenging and I am looking forward to following the build. It's a lovely project. Best wishes Treve ▲
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π¬ Re: DUTCH AUXILIARY
3 years ago by π¬π§ mistyoptic ( Midshipman)
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Thank you for this thought, Nerys, the idea is good and takes the build further away from the simple model boat idea, will begin my research.
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Geoff,
A blast from the past. As you say with modern materials and glues she will be lighter. And add your skills to the build and she will be a great sailing boat by the time she is finished. Good luck with the build. I will be following. Martin555. ▲
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π¬ Re: DUTCH AUXILIARY
3 years ago by π¬π§ Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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What a nice little boat, certainly looks to have some Dutch influence with that high sheer towards the bow. If she was mine I'd give her a typical Dutch rig with a short curved gaff. Please build her and show us progress in a blog. she's the sort of boat that really appeals to me.
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Off to a flying start Geoff.
I am already looking forward to the next update. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ mistyoptic ( Midshipman)
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Thanks for comment Martin, yes it is a steep angle on p/s, it is a short shaft and I wanted to get the inboard end above w/line. If I had used a longer shaft it would have taken the motor into the area reserved for the sail winch and battery. I considered the angle, but after all in a model of this type, forward thrust need not be at full potential. Regards Geoff.
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Geoff.
You are doing great job, I don't know if it is the camera angle or just me but the angle of the prop shaft looks a little steep. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by π¨π¦ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Geoff looks like the gloves are off for this build LOL Well done.
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π¬ Re: DUTCH AUXILLIARY
3 years ago by π¬π§ Seanympth ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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She looks a beautiful construction, the wood grain look's the part. Thank you for sharing your thought process and the problems.
I am enjoying the build. Best wishes Treveπ ▲
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3 years ago by π©πͺ RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Totally agree with you Geoff, π
Some years ago I was Deckhand/Mechanic/Chief cook and bottle washer on a ca 12m yacht sailing out of Portoferraio on Elba. ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ mistyoptic ( Midshipman)
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Thanks Ron for your response. The motor will be controlled from channel 2 on the receiver. (Mode2)
This is the right hand stick with channel 1 controlling the rudder. with the stick at neutral position, right and left will control the rudder and up stick will control motor forward, proportionally, and down stick reverse, proportionally. I am used to flying model aircraft so am familiar with controlling two functions from the one stick. The left stick will control the sail winch, from full out to full in. I have sailed full size dinghys, and model racing yachts so am familiar with rudder tricks. I hope I have not offended your idea of realism, but am not concerned with what happens in real life, I am finding this an interesting model to build and looking forward to sailing this when the times comes as a little boat of fascination. Best wishes Geoff. ▲
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π¬ Re: Dutch Auxiliary
3 years ago by π¨π¦ Ronald ( Admiral)
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I know that some sailors use their auxiliary power to move in and out of the harbour and in other situations. I considered a similar build, though with sails being furled, which would then not require a Servo for sailing.
Sometimes on ponds the boat has sat out on the water becalmed. In those situations, I have used the rudder to move the boat along. How will you turn the auxiliary power on/off? ▲
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3 years ago by π¨π¦ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Geoff looks neat and tidy and ready to finish the hull.
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π¬ Re: Dutch Auxiliary
3 years ago by π¬π§ mistyoptic ( Midshipman)
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Thanks for the thought Martin, and an O ring would probably be more durable, but might induce more stress on the motor and shaft bearings. I have never had a band shed on my Mincio although they tend to be not very durable, but I bought a 400 pack last year when I finished the Mincio and so still have a few left! Best wishes
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π¬ Re: Dutch Auxiliary
3 years ago by π¬π§ mistyoptic ( Midshipman)
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Thanks for your interest Ron. The original model was planned to have a diesel, clockwork or electric motor and is indeed titled, Dutch Auxiliary, so I am building as suggested. Also it engages my planning and thinking in producing a model yacht with auxiliary power. As another consideration, my local pond at Woodbridge is surrounded by trees on all sides at varying distances and this gives very fickle winds so an additional escape will be useful.
Hopes this explains, Best wishes Geoff. ▲
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π¬ Re: Dutch Auxiliary
3 years ago by π¨π¦ Ronald ( Admiral)
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If you are going to be sailing this, why go through the process of installing a speed control and motorized? This looks to be about the size of the footy ?
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3 years ago by π¨π¦ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Geoff Looking good.
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Geoff,
You say that the rubber band works well on your Mantua Mincio, but i would think it would bunch up and release in operation. Have you thought about using a large thin 'O' Ring ? Keep up the good work. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ mistyoptic ( Midshipman)
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Have had many years of experience in fitting wing spars into wing ribs slots on model aircraft!
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3 years ago by π¬π§ mistyoptic ( Midshipman)
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Thanks for this Ron, I have not yet decided how the cabin with mate with the deck, but the decking will pass around the sides of the cabin. I have decided to do this as, from the plan the cabin looks a bit tall for this type of craft, and so it will reduce the apparent height of this part of the boat. I intend to make two cabin doors that will be stuck to the rear of the cabin and will extend into the footwell. However must not give to much of the story away just yet! Best regards
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π¬ Re: Dutch Auxilliary
3 years ago by π¨π¦ Ronald ( Admiral)
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Are you adding a coaming for the cabin to tightly fit over?
On all my sailboats, when sailing, I use clear hockey tape to insure a watertight compartment. ▲
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3 years ago by π©πͺ RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Tidy work Geoff π
Love the accuracy of the joints. You must have much better and sharper tools than I have π€ Cheers, Doug π ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Geoff,
She has come on a long way. Nice work. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ mistyoptic ( Midshipman)
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Thanks for these suggestions Nerys. I might like to try her on the water first, nevertheless thank you for your continued interest. Would the leeboards need to be operational or just to enhance the look of the thing.
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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She's coming on very well Geoff. She's different enough to be a bit more than interesting. I like. Looking at your rudder, might I suggest you fit a drop down extendsion to it. I think it would improve handling. I have done that to all my barges and my schouw. Another thing, as you are building her as a Dutchman, why not fit leeboards to enhance that conception. Whatever, you are doing a grand job.
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Geoff,
I think she will look great when she has been completed. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by π¨π¦ Ronald ( Admiral)
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Doing just fine, keep it coming.
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Colin H ( Fleet Admiral)
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Good progress Geoff, coming on nicely she looks good.
Will be nice to see on the water, cheers Colin. ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Geoff, used car sales person!!!!!! never, I'm just a simple sailor, with a love of traditional boats, and you are making what you are calling your Dutch Auxiliary, so you might as well make her look as Dutch as possible. Seriously, I do think a pair of leeboards will improve her looks and might I suggest you use a wood which will look good varnished. I expect the wood you have picked out will be ideal.
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3 years ago by π¬π§ mistyoptic ( Midshipman)
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Thank you for this comment Nerys, I have been wondering whether to bother with the leeboards but your lovely gentle persuasion has made me come to the conclusion that they must be added. Have already looked out some nice hardwood for them. "Were you ever a used car salesperson?!!!!!
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Well done Colin, catch'em young.
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Colin H ( Fleet Admiral)
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JB, your so right, I told my son that I won't always be around to fix it for him, ans as he keeps buying cars that fall apart I've taught him to weld with gas, stick, mig and tig.
So now I can call on him if I get stuck as I've given him my old stick and might welders. He still struggles with brazing and silver solder, but I am teaching the grandson to solder now as he has a steadier hand than me. Cheers Colin. ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Do men today know how to solder, I don't know, but Alice can and she's pretty good at it.
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Geoff,
I think you are making an excellent job of your Dutchman. Really good woodworking and you are obviously putting a lot of thought into the construction. You asked me about leeboards a little while ago. I think if you want to give the impression of Dutchness then I think they are essential.I have never made them on any of my barges or Dutch schouw to lower. Just have them in the fixed position. They will only cause drag if you lower them and not enhance the sailing capability at all. Your keel is going to do that. Anyway, keep up the good work. Cheers, Nerys ▲
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3 years ago by π³πΏ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Nice work so far Geoff, good bit of re-cycling as well. Re soldering- like many people, I can MIG, gas and arc weld,- and solder, but my son (28) doesn't seem all that keen to learn (more into computers). Young people are probably going to end up pretty useless (practically) in the future. Most young people learn from the net, but that's not always accurate and can get people into trouble. I've seen some pretty dangerous advice given over the years.
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Seanympth ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Geoff,
This is really interesting to follow, great work as ever Best wishes ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Robertcooper ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Geoff,
Looking good. I know what it is like with planking as i have recently done quite a bit of it. But the reward is when you see it varnished. Keep up the good work. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Colin H ( Fleet Admiral)
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Some really nice quality woodwork sir, its coming along very well, keep it up.
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Geoff,
Well thank you very much, I feel highly honoured for you to name your boat after me. I think you have made a lovely job of her and I'm sure you will get a lot of fun sailing her. I did something similar with a keel for my Dutch Schouw, but as she is flat bottomed, I made the keel as a fin fitting in to a box inside the hull and held in with two bolts, it is easily removable for transport. Slightly different from yours, wood frame with brass sheet sides, screwed to the frame all round. However before fitting the second brass sheet, the frame was filled with lead shot. As I have made the mast to lower, this is the boat I take with me in the camper van in case I find somewhere to sail. I like your SLEC motor launch too. Best wishes, Nerys ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Geoff,
We haven't had an update on your Dutch Auxiliary for a little while and as you know, I have more than a passing interest in her. Hope everything is alright and if you can find time to let us know how things are going, I for one will be pleased as I feel that I have been in some small way instrumental in some aspects of her creation. I think when you eventually sail her, you will probably get a lot of questions about her, the Dutch rig is so different that it attracts attention and I am frequently asked about my Dutch Schouw. Cheers, Nerys ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ mistyoptic ( Midshipman)
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Hello Nerys, try Howes as below, they have a series of winches, in vaying turns at Β£9.99
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Geoff,
That's a fair bit to be going inside, but I think you will need something on the keel to counteract it's natural wish to float. That's a good price for a sail servo, would you like to tell me where, please. Cheers, Nerys ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ mistyoptic ( Midshipman)
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Thank you Nerys for your compliments. Yes I will be adding ballast to the keel, but am not certain as to how much. The plan shows a waterline so think I will ballast it temporarily inside and then transfer the weight to the foot of the fin. There will be a certain amount of weight within the hull, mainly the battery, a 6v Nimh which will be placed at the very bottom of the hull. There is a full size sail winch as well, a bit of an overkill for a boat of this size, but cheap at 9.99 and runs just the right amount of sheeting out.
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Geoff,
What a delightful little boat you have built, I think she is absolutely lovely. Your mock up photo is great and shows her in all the glory she will have when finished. I love the mahogany planking, it will look wonderful when varnished. Seeing the picture of her hull, I think she is a lovely shape, but I hope you are going to put some ballast on her keel Nice to know that you have found pictures of all the myriad of Dutch craft and the wonderful decoration on them. Some of them have the most beautiful carving on them in places like the head of the rudder and all round the cabin doors. You are making good progress and I really look forward to seeing the end result and pictures of her sailing. All the best, Nerys ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Seanympth ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Nice one Misty,
She looks really good, and a great addition to your fleet. Don't forget to put her in your Harbour. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by π¬π§ Seanympth ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Hi Geoff,
Many thanks for sharing your work, congratulations of Mr Tom as well he looks a nice craft a really tasteful paint job too. Its been a pleasure following your build from a basic plan to the finished result, it makes me realise how much easier a kit is rather than following a plan that 60 years old. Well done for completing something very different and sharing the challenges along the way. Best wishes Treve ▲
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