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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi John, thanks for that info, I originally had no idea of the size or even the plan No. It is now almost twice the size and is turning out to be only 'reasonably easy' now with the scale changing a number of things (timber sizes etc which would not work round curves) and now have to be laminated. I've had to alter a number of things so far, and there are more changes to come (big balsa bow and transom blocks have to go and will need to be be built up instead). Transom block alone would need to be 60x230x100 and cost about $30 in balsa and need a lot of 'whittlin' and sanding ! (not to mention unnecessary weight) I do enjoy a challenge though๐
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง JOHN ( Midshipman)
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Hi there
just been looking through an 'old' Plans Handbook - it's that old its falling apart :-) and I came across plans for a run about MM480 and this is the bumph that goes with it : 'an 18 inch sporty speedboat based on a Chris-Craft design' a 6 inch beam idea for towing a small scale water skier. It's just large enough for a miniature radio control. Ply construction and it has two stars = easy construction' . John ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ redpmg ( Commodore)
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Have the original blurb & plan somewhere in my files JB . Don't remember correctly but think it was around 21inch or so. Do you want the blurb ? - can dig it out easily enough .
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Peter, it's an old MM plan done by the MM staff. Not sure what the original length was as there is no detail on the drawing I have. Nothing matches of course now I've changed the scale, and I'm not sure it's a great plan, as when I cut all the bulkheads they were miles out in some cases, (could be the printer at the print shop not scaling things properly), so I've had to do a lot of fiddling and re cutting to get things somewhere near for now.
Once I get it all centred and propped on the board I will get a better idea of what needs chopping or packing. It's going to be a bit of a challenge I think. Biggest problem is both the deck and the keel are curved which makes it hard to judge what's right. I'm having to guess at what's there and have changed my mind a few times already๐. I've glued the long aft propshaft blocks to the keel, but have now decided (almost๐) to go with twins instead I'll get there eventually. Good thing about wood, you can hack it into any shape you want.๐ JB ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ redpmg ( Commodore)
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Hi JB - Looks like the Runabout plan - that was kitted either by Amati or Mantua - think the latter. But a lot smaller than you are proposing - looking forward to your usual detailed build but remember even at that size it cant support the kitchen sink - and don't forget the dizzy blonde sunbather............
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Re It strikes me that this one will not have a lot of working doodads
Where did you get that idea from Martin ???๐ it has lots of room for doodads ๐ and I have plenty of them๐. I'll have to try and build it lighter than my usual 'tanks' if I'm going to use one of the motors I have in my collection, as it's going to be reasonably large overall. Not sure if it will be brushed or brushless yet, that might have to wait till the 'sea trials'. JB ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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I bet this is going to look good when it is finished JB.
It strikes me that this one will not have a lot of working doodads. Looking forward to the next instalment. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Looks to be a good next build..
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Martin, there should probably be no need to cut them all out, as the plan doesn't call for it, but I might cut out no 3 for a bit more cockpit space later . I haven't glued in no 4 yet so I can get at it before everything is permanent. I have actually just shortened no 4 some more to make a large motor and possibly battery/ESC space. It was originally 18" for diesel or small electric, but since it is now almost twice the size (had no idea of the size till Peter and John updated the info on the model) it's got a lot more room to play with.
To give you an idea, the motor area is about 10"x 9.5" x 5" deep and the rear bay is 9.5"x 8.5" x 4" deep, so tons of room ! Bay 2 could just be for RC and stereo๐ JB JB ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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You are underway now Fleet.
One question, Is there any reason you have not cut out the insides to frames 2,3,5.? Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Peter, I think the bow is almost going to be solid by the time I add blocks and wedges etc, plus it has 4 laminated 3mmx10mm rails coming through (4 strips per rail, - ie 12x10mm,- plus an intended hardwood stringer between). I might look at laying Mahogany over balsa sheet if I can find any, (hard enough to find balsa now,)- even shelves in supermarkets are getting sparse at times due to slow shipping,- a lot of ships are by-passing NZ ports and businesses are running short of products and materials.
When I first started work in a timber yard / early hardware mega store back in the early 70s, they used to import shiploads of Mahogany boards (around 24"x 6") and process them and re- ship them. They also imported Canadian Cedar for building cladding, as they were affiliated with a Canadian Lumber company. You don't see Mahogany like that any more, and it's extremely hard to find for full sized boat trim and $$$$$$$. Years ago, when I was fitting out my Hartley, I bought a couple of 4ft lengths of 4x4" Taun (hardwood) for the engine bearers which cost me a spleen, as it could only be purchased from a specialist timber importer. It would now cost a spleen, leg and a kidney๐ JB ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ redpmg ( Commodore)
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Hi JB - look for some Marquetry puzzles - some have large pieces of Mahogany veneer - remember you only have to use it up to the waterline . We have a veneer supplier based in Jobg - presume he supplies the plywood manufacturers etc. You must have something similar in NZ.
Suggested the double planking as it reinforces the sharp end like the original balsa block - in case of high speed contact with a solid object............... Does happen from time to time unfortunately . Last time with me boat ran out of radio range and into the cliffs (scale) - did not do it much good................... ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Peter, it's going to be glassed over, so it should be strong enough without double planking, (I'd love to plank it in Mahogany and varnish it, but too hard to find, - and expensive) but I think you are right,- a slight flare would look good if I can work it in. I have another idea for the colour which should suit it.
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3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ redpmg ( Commodore)
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You are talking about flaring the bow I suppose JB - apart from looking good it helps keep the boat dry. Would suggest you do so and only wide sheet plank as far as the first former - you will probably have to add a another few stringers between the bow & first former for the flare. Further suggest you double diagonal plank that for strength & durability using narrow planking . Don't thank me Grandma............
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Peter, still have a few mods to do for the framing as I think it needs another stringer between top an bottom to give the balsa sheet more support. As it is, I think a sheet will roll nicely round the shape, but if I put a small flare (mainly for aesthetic reasons) it might make things a bit harder. I could always use small sheets to wrap/plank a small flare I suppose.
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Martin,- the first vid is something more like it, but I'd use a mounted knife rather than a saw. Can't see the guys' point in the second vid, as the bench saw he has, probably has a Vernier scale which he is using as he moves the fence out each time. If you cut to the outside this way, it will automatically produce a thin offcut, so perhaps his 'gauge' is just for measuring when he moves the fence out. You can do the same thing with a set of 'fingers'.
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3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ redpmg ( Commodore)
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Coming along great JB - beginning to look the part - looking forward to seeing what additions you make.
Looking at the latest pics was thinking how few bulkheads you need on the average hard chine hull unlike the the round bilge ones - they definitely need more . Busy converting a round bilge to multi chine in Corel - be interesting to see how that comes out in reality. Don't know why I start these things - you have far more sense than I in completing one model before starting the next..... ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Do you mean something like this. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Martin, that's sort of the thing, but I was thinking more like a saw bench style with a moveable fence, so you can get a longer reach. Might be able to mount a multi tool with a thin blade on something as well. I'll have a look in my bits and pieces sometime and see what I cam come up with. I'd like to make one using industrial linen sheet (reinforced Formica), but it's horrendously expensive,-nice to machine though, and you can drill and tap it as well.
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi JB,
Here is a simple Balsa splitter. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Well done coming along well. Like Ron I like your clamping pieces.
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Martin, thanks for that info. I was thinking of a small tabletop version for splitting sheets, and one like this might be ideal, bolted to a board so you can pull a sheet through.
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Ron, they are made from cheap Chinese coat hanger clips. I was trying to find clamps like this to hold stringers while framing, but there appeared to be nothing like this available. I'd been trying to think of something like this for years, but the brain wouldn't think sideways๐, then suddenly it clicked. I used my angle grinder to slot the ends and took off the sharp bits with a file. They work well up to about 5mm square. As you can see in the pic of my Hartley framing, they work sideways over the stringer onto the bulkhead. Obviously you can us them the normal way as well.
PS, forgot to mention, these clamps come on a long rod, which is removed, and the clamps individually bolted with 3mm bolts with Loctited nuts. JB ▲
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3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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I like the clamps you are using, where did you get them?
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Starting to take shape JB.
Keep it up. You can still get the Balsa splitter but they are easy to make. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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I like it JB coming along nicely.
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi JB,
I can see her Transom taking shape now. Keep up the good work. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Sorry JB,
But i think i am wired wrong for fast charging.LOL!! Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi martin, do you find that shaving your head lets you charge faster in the sun ?๐
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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My Bio Digital Tools are a bit the same Colin, find I need power everything these days๐
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3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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As they say in business Martin one hand washes the other LOL
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Colin H ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hey there Martin, my multi purpose tools seem defective any chance I can borrow yours.
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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I would say JB that having all though's tool in one machine cuts down on space and time. The boats coming nicely.
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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JB,
That may be the next project after you'r Vintage Runabout. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Martin,
Might be able to use the plans to scale down for a model. Probably a bit old to be starting an expensive full sized project anyhow๐ -first pic is a 19ft (inboard) and the second is a 14ft (outboard) (I've previously taken the 1/2 profiles from the outboard one and doubled them for scaling up (plans are in A4 format), also re printed all the dimensions which were hard to read, so I'm part way there for a model. eg pics JB ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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JB.
That is a really big shame as those boats would of made a great project. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Martin, re the timber problems, this is what happens when a small country allows itself to be raided for it's natural resources. I was going to try and build a full sized boat similar to the model (have plans for both shown) but the price of timber required is prohibitive here. If you read the 'about us' section of the timber arts link in my reply to Rick, you will see what we are up against, re native logging.
Everything else takes forever to get here due to our position at the butt of the world. Some places like CMB manage to get their stuff here faster than Ali Expr which is odd. I have waited for car bits from Aust for 2 or 3 weeks, and it's only 2 1/2 hours away by plane! Just a pain doing anything which involves o/seas orders. Some ships are now by-passing NZ due to all the world shipping delays at the moment, which is damaging many businesses. Even supermarkets are running low on things with a lot of empty spots on shelves. Went to a Chinese supermarket today, and they are busting at the seams with everything from China ??? strange! JB ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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There are some very nice looking woods there JB.
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Rick, we have a problem in NZ, that most of our native timbers are protected, and require special permits and the use of selective logging to cut. We have a lot of great native timbers here, but most ( such as Kauri) were cut in excess in the early days for ship building. Kauri masts were used in sailing ships all round the world due to their strength and straight mostly knot free trunks. They can live for hundreds of years so have been slow to regenerate and are highly protected. Very hard and expensive to get native timbers, which is a shame, as we have some really beautiful examples.
Kahikatea (NZ white pine) which has straight grains and is very light and strong, was used for boat framing, but, but is almost impossible to find now. You would need a lotto win to build a boat in native timber these days. I bought some plans for similar full sized runabouts to this model, from a guy in the states, and most are planked and decked in mahogany,- oak framing etc- imagine doing that now! $$$$$$$$$$$ Most of our fancy woods and veneers are now imported exotics and are also hard to find and very expensive, and veneers for doors or panels, are usually sold already bonded to some type of panel, and the veneers themselves are generally not available. I may find someone who does them, but not holding my breath. Link to some of the timbers we could buy readily pre 80s ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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JB,
It Must be really frustrating having to plan what you need then order only to notice you need something else. And the prices are ridicules. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Sorry JB that finding pieces to cover your boat have come at to hi a cost.Not sure if your local lumber store would have but I purchased a mahogany door skin to do one of my boats from my local lumber shop (32"x 68").
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Always gets a bit more exciting at this stage, doesn't it Martin ?๐ you can see if you've stuffed the framing up or not๐
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Rick, I will be glassing the outside of the hull once sanded to give it strength and durability, so I'm not too worried about seams showing (they mostly disappear after sanding anyhow). I've glassed all my models and Everdured (anti mould timber resin sealer) the insides, as if you get a leak in a balsa boat, the balsa sucks water like a sponge and it stays there unless you strip a whole area and dry it out.
I'll be painting the hull but staining/varnishing the ply deck and transom veneer and trims. Quite tricky deck lines they have drawn on the plan (easy to draw, harder to do,- I think woodwork's easier to do on a real boat due to scale ) so that will be a challenge to get looking good. I'll be interested to see what it looks like once the sheeting's done. They might have made it a bit pointy in the bow I think, but we'll see (maybe to make it easy to plank,-ie developable surfaces) JB ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Colin H ( Fleet Admiral)
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Now it's looking sleeker with each post. Lovely work shipmate, cheers Colin.
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi JB,
This is when the real shape of a boat starts to show. So far it is looking good. Keep it up. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Coming along well JB. You said you reinforce the seam inside.Do you have outside seam showing latter in the finishing of the hull.
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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I like it JB,
You can now see that she is definitely looking like the boat in photo 10. Keep it up. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ redpmg ( Commodore)
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Getting there JB - at least its big enough for the add ons you are sure to make !!!!!!!
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Jb,
I have had quite a bit of fun with the masking tape on my hull too. She is going to look great when she is finished. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: VINTAGE RUNABOUT
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Nicely done JB .
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๐ฌ Re: VINTAGE RUNABOUT
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Do you have to remove it to charge it Red LOL!!!
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Remove Ads ๐ฌ Re: VINTAGE RUNABOUT
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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I like to be different Colin๐
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๐ฌ Re: VINTAGE RUNABOUT
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Colin H ( Fleet Admiral)
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And I always thought that the receiver went in the boat. There's loads of room in there shipmate.
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