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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Rick,
Excellent idea to get the kids interested. One of our local clubs, at open days etc. takes a number of simple boats for kids to try out. It's always very popular both with the kids and their parents. I think they charge a small fee, 50p a go comes to mind. Nerys ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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That paddle boat looks fun, I've looked at it on Ebay and there are umpteen sellers, mainly in China. The price seems to vary between about ยฃ5 and ยฃ11 with the dearer ones in UK. There was also one listed from Sri Lanka with a price of ยฃ50 something and ยฃ22 postage. I've a vague recollection of having something similar working off elastic bands in my dim and distant past. I think I might even buy one. Keep me amused for an hour or two.
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๐ฌ Re: Rescue Launch
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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When my boat club was able to have an open house and set up our pool. We have pusher tugs we let children run. The joy of watching them run the boats trying to dock them or racing one another they giggle and laugh the hole time.I'm sure we all smile at there fun.
Along with the pusher tugs we have made small sailing kits for them to build. We make 3 or 4 hundred kits for the show. We sell out all kits at 2$ a kit and donate the funds to help kids organizations. For me the joy of watching them build and run the boat is a lifting feeling . Rick ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Rescue Launch
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Michael,
Thatโs an unbelievable low price. Iโll be interested to hear how well it works. Itโs surprising how the costs add up when you add motor, esc, etc to the price of the kit. Iโve probably spent 10x the cost of your kit. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Rescue Launch
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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It's an excellent idea to get children using tools at an early age and the simple kit is a good way to start doing it. When I was young, my father, whenever he was home from sea spent a lot of time with me doing just that. I think the first thing he taught me to do was to carve little figures from the wood from butter boxes. (Butter came in bulk in boxes in those days and was cut up into whatever weight the customer required) The wood was always a good knot free close grained wood. I think the first major thing I carved was a little man on a horse. He often brought model boats home for me, hours of off watch work, so it wasn't long before I was working on waterline models. This stood me in good stead because by the time I was twelve, I was making toy model boats and selling them to local shops, this was of course during the war and toys were in short supply. I was also the lead soldier baron of the school, I had a set of moulds to make lead soldiers and sold the result in school for 1 1/2 old pence each.
As far as my own son was concerned, he was brought up helping me build real boats, he learnt to use tools at an early age including such things as draw knives and an adze. At fourteen, he made all the spars for my 43ft. schooner . This he always said got him his first job as an apprentice joiner by telling his interviewer about the tools and what he had done with them. He went on to have a successful business converting horse boxes into vehicles for motor racing and horse eventing. So, all praise to anyone who teaches children to use tools. Catch 'em young is the answer. Cheers, Nerys ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Rescue Launch
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Hi Graham I found myself in a similar position and on a day when my eldest son (45) was helping me with some electronics, my 8yr old grandson was occupying himself cutting up small cardboard boxes trying to make a paddle boat. It did float and he enjoyed making it but I felt as if I'd let him down not being involved.
So what did I do, I made a similar purchase, I could hardly believe what value for money ยฃ6:89 inc P&P for this radio controlled model, I have since seen them for as little as ยฃ5:15 free P&P DIY Paddle Wheel Ship Model Kids Students Remote Control Assembling Toys UK ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Starting the assembly
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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That's great to see a young modeller getting to grips with a model
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง GaryLC ( Captain)
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Well done Graham and young Findley, I found your blog both interesting and enterprising and pleasantly different from the majority of the stuff on here. Very best wishes to both of you especially your young apprentice. Regards, Gary. (Looking forward to the next installment.)
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๐ฌ Re: Starting the assembly
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Rick,
Yes, he did enjoy it. So did I, but it was exhausting having to keep watch over him every second and having to answer the endless questions "What's that for Grandad?" ๐ Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Starting the assembly
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Well done Graham.๐๐๐Sounds and looks like Finley enjoyed the day .
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๐ฌ Re: Motor and Propshaft
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Thank's Graham.
I am looking forward to seeing your next project. Your build logs are really interesting so i really hope you do another log soon. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Red,
It has worked out well for the grandson to build, or at least to help with the build. I think it would be something of a challenge for a novice without any experience as there is missing guidance on fitting the RC gear, and the best stages during construction to carry out some of the equipment installation. Looking at the Bobby plan, it does look very similar. Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Motor and Propshaft
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks Martin,
Unfortunately, now he is back at school, I'm not seeing as much of Finley, so progress is very slow. (Really pleased you are back on the site with us!) Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Motor and Propshaft
3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ redpmg ( Commodore)
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Great build blog Graham - wish my grandson lived a bit closer (1000 odd miles) so we could finish his boat.
Good choice of kit for a child as its designed on the EeZeBilt method - simple lock together construction . Looks like it was based on the Bobby which was a free plan in MB many years ago. One good thing about brushless motors is the aircraft ESC's are cheap - and with your knowledge of electrics you should be able to sort out a reverse switch easily............ Will be following your blog with interest ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Motor and Propshaft
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham,
I nearly missed this log. Please tell young Finley that i am following his build, and to keep up the good work. Young Finley cannot ask for a more excellent teacher. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Motor and Propshaft
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Rick,
Yes he will. Trouble is that he is now back at school so not sure when he will have time. His diary is busier than mine ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Motor and Propshaft
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Nice job Graham.With power in Finley will be able to proceed to all the good parts of the build.
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๐ฌ Re: Motor and Propshaft
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Exactly right Michael. Wood moves with changes in temperature/humidity. I thinks some sort of flexible joint is essential.
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๐ฌ Re: Motor and Propshaft
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Removed as its Duplicated below
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๐ฌ Re: Motor and Propshaft
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Hi Graham that looks a nice assembly, in particular the modified Phosphor bronze bushes, I see a joint in the drive chain, a lot of modelers go for a solid connector taking great care to align the motor and prop shaft, I personally think this isn't the best option, the reason being having done this myself and gone to the trouble of using a dial indicator to align the shafts in the workshop (workshop heated) I later went to the test tank (in the garage cold) and found the alignment was no longer ! this was due to temperature change when wood has a habit of moving around at different temperatures.
I'm sure that some sort of universal joint is the way to go, It may be with some types they are a little noisier but still probably not as noisy as a brushless motor anyway. I still go to the trouble of aligning the shaft and motor with a solid joint first and then replace it with an appropriate flexible joint. As demonstrated in Grahams description๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Motor and Propshaft
3 years ago by ๐ฆ๐บ stevedownunder ( Captain)
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Hi Graham,
I bet Finley will be eager to get cracking on this boat, can't start them too young. Cheers, Stephen. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Rudder and servo
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Martin, Red,
I have a rule that I will only have one build on the go at a time. Trying to build more than one at a time just makes it stressful.There are plenty of other (non modelling) tasks to keep me busy during pauses in the build. I do have a few ideas about what to build next, but I have to help Finley finish this build first ๐ ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ redpmg ( Commodore)
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Hi Graham - difficult not to do too much - the urge to take over is strong - but you have to remember how we all started - lots of blunders - some of them irreparable until some kind expert helped - that's the sort of role we have to adopt if we are to interest them in what we do.
Perhaps you should start another smaller kit for yourself apart from any other new build - only work on that when you are together - that way some of the temptation will be avoided - seem to be plenty of other kits on offer from SLEC - Cornwall MB online shop also has a few listed - similar sort of prices to HA . Perkins have a couple listed on their website too if memory serves. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Rudder and servo
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Graham.
Great i am glad you are managing to leave plenty for Finley to do. I do hope you are giving it some thought as to what your next project will be as we all really look forward to your build logs. Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Rudder and servo
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Martin,
I donโt think so, at least I hope not! He is keen to help, which is great as I want him to feel like heโs built it, rather than it being something that Granddad made and gave him. So far itโs working out OK although progress is slow. Iโve been trying not to do too much without him, which is difficult, so I have been making all sorts of bits and pieces which will be added as the build progresses. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Rudder and servo
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Nice work Graham.
I think Finley has wised up. He knows that you will not be able to just sit there without doing something to his boat.LOL!! He is also probably thinking to him self ' if i keep away for a month or two most of the boat will be done' LOL!! Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Rudder and servo
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham, agree with you about fitting internals (or at least setting them up for later) without the sheeting, - makes life a lot easier when you are not having to work blind at times, or having to use mirrors.
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๐ฌ Re: Skinning the hull
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks Red,
Yes, it is a combined water based stain/varnish. Comes in several colours, touch dry in 30 minutes, and the brush ( and little fingers) clean in water ๐ ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฟ๐ฆ redpmg ( Commodore)
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Coming along nicely Graham - sure Finley is enjoying it - sister sounds like our cat - except he tries to sit on whatever it is you are working on..............
Is that a combined Stain/Varnish you gave Finley to use ? Hopefully you will later have a convert to our hobby.......... Definitely good to share with them. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Skinning the hull
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks everyone for the comments. Itโs fun working with the grandson, although progress is slow.
No Mike, the plane isnโt for sale๐ it is far too useful . ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Some really good progress, its great to work with children who are not afraid of anything including sharp knives and super glue๐
I notice that your still using that trusty block plane, are you sure its not for sale.๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Skinning the hull
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Colin H ( Fleet Admiral)
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Well done sir, looks like the youngster is enjoying the build with you. Tell the lad well done from me.
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๐ฌ Re: Skinning the hull
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Scratchbuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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Graham.
Looking good,congratulations. Good to see you have the workshop Forman there to help you and make sure Grandad gets it right. Letโs hope that he carries on the good work. Regards Bill. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Finley and Graham,
Finley you are doing a really good job on your boat. It is good that you have your grandad there to help you and i am looking forward to seeing more of your build. Keep up the good work Finley. Graham, I have some of that reusable glue and like you i don't know how to reuse it ether. LOL!! Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Painting the hull
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Scratchbuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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Looking good Graham.
The electronics will be an interesting read. Keep it coming. Regards Bill ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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MODEL BOAT TREK:
COMMODORE'S LOG: YARD DATE 2021 POINT 10 POINT 27: MY CONTINUING MISSION: TO EXPLORE THE MODEL BOAT UNIVERSE; DISCOVER NEW BOATS AND TAKE YOUNG ENSIGN FINLEY WHERE HE HAS NEVER BEEN BEFORE: Absorbing stuff Graham. With some good tips n tricks along the way. Can hardly wait for Ensign Finley's next furlough from Model Boat Fleet Academy and his response to developments on board! ๐ Cheers, Doug ๐ Possible registration number: MPB1701F (Metropolitan Police Boat) Name: HMPB FINLEY (Her Majesty's Police Boat) ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Painting the hull
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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JB,
Iโm sure he will find plenty of opportunities to create unintentional smoke in the future. I know I did ( and still do )๐ค๐ Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Painting the hull
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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You'll have to let him blow something up Graham,- how's he going to learn otherwise. โกโกโก๐ฅ๐ฎ๐ That's how most of us did it, (at least I did)๐
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๐ฌ Re: Painting the hull
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi JB,
I don't think he'll be able to help with the wiring, but there are lights and other bits and pieces to be fitted which he can help with. I'll wire them up once he has gone home ๐๐คฃ Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Painting the hull
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Looking good Graham, (couldn't help yourself I see)๐๐ The young fella should be happy! Are you going to get him involved in the electrical side,?
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3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Newby7 ( Fleet Admiral)
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So right Graham. Finley will be surprised by the build. Nicely done.
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Great work Graham.
I bet young Finley will be over the moon with his boat. It won't be long and Finley will be asking grandad "when can we put the Police boat in the water." Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting the motor and rudder
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Rowen ( Captain)
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Have had similar experiences of excess noise using that style of coupling. If you push a length of plastic type tubing over the whole assembly it stiffens and damps the noise
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Scratchbuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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Graham.
Trust me.I know.๐ค๐๐๐๐ Your right,but itโs great fun. Trouble is,when it comes to computing and various modern skills there way above me ๐ค๐ . Great to see the youngsters taking on the older skills we love. Regards Bill. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting the motor and rudder
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Bill,
๐คฃ๐ Thatโs exactly what itโs like ๐ Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting the motor and rudder
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Scratchbuilder ( Vice Admiral)
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Now then Grandad !
This is the way we do it. I know you have done it before,butโฆ.times have moved on,soโฆ.just watch and learn. Great,so nice to see. Regards Bill. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Fitting the motor and rudder
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham,
I hope you are picking up a few tips from young Finley. He looks as though he knows what he is doing. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham, boat's coming along well, and small more flexible fingers must be a big help with small screws.๐ Glad you found the tube coupling idea useful,- I've given up on any Chinese couplings, they are all rubbish for anything high speed and the type you tried are especially bad, as the center crosses have too much side play, and get thrown off center at speed. The shaft holes usually have too much clearance as well, making it worse. The tube by itself is perfect for smaller motors or as I've found, with a firm plastic tube covering for more powerful motors.
Once the lathe is sorted, I'm going to try out an idea for stepped shaft adaptors with silicone in between, (similar to the moulded ones or rubber type from CMB) but with the tubing being able to be replaced if it starts slipping due to oil getting in, or whatever. The best thing about the tubing is that if you get something tangling the prop, it will usually just let go and squeal, but grip again when you stop. As long as you have a collet or similar against each end of it, it shouldn't migrate up the shaft towards the motor (hence the idea of the stepped adaptors) won't matter with outrunners, more inrunners/brushed motors. Interested to see how it runs with that set-up. I'm going to try and find some thicker walled tube for my adaptor idea, as I'm only using 2m wall fuel tubing at the moment. JB ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Thank's Graham.
I will take a look. Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Thank you Graham.
Not quite as simple as i had expected. What software do you use to program the PIC ? Martin555. ▲
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3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Martin,
As you have probably seen in my previous blogs I like to build my own RC mixers, switches, smokers etc. The pulse generator/RCswitch is built from just 3 components, a potentiometer to adjust the pulse width (motor speed), a PIC microchip, and a decoupling capacitor ( mounted on the back of the board). I wrote some software which is programmed into the PIC to monitor the incoming signal from the Rx channel. If the incoming pulse width is greater than 1.5mS then the RCswitch is โonโ. While the switch is โonโ, the PIC generates a repeating string of pulses for the radar servo. The width of these pulses is set by the potentiometer. Hope thatโs clear and understandable ๐ค Graham93 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Radar
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ญ Mike Stoney ( Commander)
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Hello Graham!
Graham, you saved me! Soon wanted to buy an expensive motor with gearbox for my radar! I have so many old servos that I can easily convert! **** What I learned from you in a short time is amazing! Handicraft greetings from Heidiland. .๐๐๐ Michel-Claude ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Radar
3 years ago by ๐จ๐ฆ Rowen ( Captain)
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Have done something similar on previous radars. Found a cheap, geared 6V motor available from our usual Far Eastern sources though.
Found the servo approach bulky, noisy and heavy. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Radar
3 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Good idea with the 'fiddle limiter' Graham ๐
JB ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Radar
3 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham,
Thank you for the comments and posting the links. The transfers really add that extra professional Finnish to what is already a Professional job. Great work. I would be very interested in knowing more about the adjustable pulse generator that you have made (photo five). Martin555. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Lights
2 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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JB,
I'm not sure who is getting the most fun out of this build, me or Finley ๐ค He hasn't been here to help with the electronics, but I'm sure he will be here for the maiden voyage ๐ Graham93 ▲
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2 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham, young Finley's done a great job of building the model and fitting all the electronics ๐, I'm sure he'll be wanting to do another one soon๐๐
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๐ฌ Re: Lights
2 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Hi Graham I'm sorry I've not commented on this build since a month ago but for some reason a whole load of updates have just come through not just yours but some others as well.
Anyway its looking great and ready for a "wetting"? The blue police light looks good I think its the same as one I picked up at Blackpool show last month, it has different settings? so keep up the good work and lets see what Finley decides to build next ๐ค. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Blues and Twos
2 years ago by ๐ณ๐ฟ jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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That's pretty cool Graham, I'm sure he's going to have a lot of fun with that, (as long as he's not horn happy ๐)
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๐ฌ Re: Blues and Twos
2 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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Hi Graham,
I think Finley is really going to love it. Martin555. ▲
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