@RossM
Hi Ross, yes, I agree with you; it is a magnificent galleon nonetheless.
Had the proper precautions been taken—and had the King's ill-advised whims been ignored—it could have sailed and fought for a long time; perhaps less imposing and with fewer cannons, but functional and truly formidable.
And yet, there were those who said as much, but went unheeded.
@RossM
Hi Ross, yes, I agree with you; it is a magnificent galleon nonetheless.
Had the proper precautions been taken—and had the King's ill-advised whims been ignored—it could have sailed and fought for a long time; perhaps less imposing and with fewer cannons, but functional and truly formidable.
And yet, there were those who said as much, but went unheeded.
@jumpugly
Many thanks, Jumpugly, for your appreciation and your contribution to the topic—valuable and insightful as always.
This painting is truly magnificent, as well as emblematic; the artist sought to capture—and succeeded brilliantly in doing so—the precise moment when a light gust of wind caused the galleon to heel over, allowing water to lap against the lowest gun ports.
The very next moment would see water pouring into the hold, an irreversible list, and the vessel’s rapid sinking—all occurring despite the lack of adverse weather and the fact that she was sailing in sheltered waters.
Yet, as we know, an unstable trim (caused by various construction errors) and insufficient freeboard could only lead to this outcome.
In fact, it was perhaps fortunate that she sank immediately, just meters from the harbor; had it happened on the open sea or in worse weather, there would have been few, if any, survivors. As it was, many onlookers on the shore and in nearby boats were able to rush to the aid of those in distress; moreover, the proximity to land meant the shore could even be reached by swimming.
In one of the models I photographed, the diorama depicts these four distinct stages.
@jumpugly
Many thanks, Jumpugly, for your appreciation and your contribution to the topic—valuable and insightful as always.
This painting is truly magnificent, as well as emblematic; the artist sought to capture—and succeeded brilliantly in doing so—the precise moment when a light gust of wind caused the galleon to heel over, allowing water to lap against the lowest gun ports.
The very next moment would see water pouring into the hold, an irreversible list, and the vessel’s rapid sinking—all occurring despite the lack of adverse weather and the fact that she was sailing in sheltered waters.
Yet, as we know, an unstable trim (caused by various construction errors) and insufficient freeboard could only lead to this outcome.
In fact, it was perhaps fortunate that she sank immediately, just meters from the harbor; had it happened on the open sea or in worse weather, there would have been few, if any, survivors. As it was, many onlookers on the shore and in nearby boats were able to rush to the aid of those in distress; moreover, the proximity to land meant the shore could even be reached by swimming.
In one of the models I photographed, the diorama depicts these four distinct stages.
Alessandro!
Thank you for sharing with us your visit to one of the World's great museums!!!!!!! The pix are outstanding and deeply appreciated!!!!! I can only add this wonderful painting of the Wasa running very low!
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Alessandro!
Thank you for sharing with us your visit to one of the World's great museums!!!!!!! The pix are outstanding and deeply appreciated!!!!! I can only add this wonderful painting of the Wasa running very low!
@DuncanP
Yes, Duncan, they are doing everything they can to preserve the wreck and are using the most advanced technologies—the Swedes are very good at this.
Thanks a lot for the compliment, but I’m not entirely satisfied; unfortunately, with so little light, I couldn't do any better.
@DuncanP
Yes, Duncan, they are doing everything they can to preserve the wreck and are using the most advanced technologies—the Swedes are very good at this.
Thanks a lot for the compliment, but I’m not entirely satisfied; unfortunately, with so little light, I couldn't do any better.
@ColRay
Yes, Col, it might serve as inspiration (in a broad sense) from an emotional standpoint, perhaps, but in practical terms, the eras are too far apart and the two ships are too different for the *Vasa* to be of any real help—unfortunately.
@ColRay
Yes, Col, it might serve as inspiration (in a broad sense) from an emotional standpoint, perhaps, but in practical terms, the eras are too far apart and the two ships are too different for the Vasa to be of any real help—unfortunately.
You will notice, Col, that the *Vasa* was very narrow in relation to its length, especially when compared to other contemporary galleons.
You will notice, Col, that the Vasa was very narrow in relation to its length, especially when compared to other contemporary galleons.
@ColRay
Hi Col, here are some specifications:
Displacement 1,210 t
Length 69 m
Beam 11.7 m
Height 52.5 m
Draft 4.8 m
Propulsion 10 sails, 3 square-rigged masts
Sail area: 1,275 m²
Crew 154 sailors, 300 soldiers
Armament
Artillery 64 guns on 3 decks, comprising:
62 24-pounder guns (24 on the lower deck, 24 on the upper deck, 14 on the main deck)
8 3-pounder falconets
2 1-pounder swivel guns
6 42-pounder mortars
Displacement 1,210 t
Length 69 m
Beam 11.7 m
Height 52.5 m
Draft 4.8 m
Propulsion 10 sails, 3 square-rigged masts
Sail area: 1,275 m²
Crew 154 sailors, 300 soldiers
Armament
Artillery 64 guns on 3 decks, comprising:
62 24-pounder guns (24 on the lower deck, 24 on the upper deck, 14 on the main deck)
8 3-pounder falconets
2 1-pounder swivel guns
6 42-pounder mortars
As you can see there is a lot of lack of light, but this is due to conservation reasons.
In addition to specific products for preserving wood, light and temperature are important factors to avoid or slow down deterioration.
As you can see there is a lot of lack of light, but this is due to conservation reasons.
In addition to specific products for preserving wood, light and temperature are important factors to avoid or slow down deterioration.
@AlessandroSPQR I saw the vasa in misty environment to stop it drying out too quickly when it first started its restoration.
I think it would have been around 1980. I love the detail in the cross sections of the vessel. Great photos
@AlessandroSPQR I saw the vasa in misty environment to stop it drying out too quickly when it first started its restoration.
I think it would have been around 1980. I love the detail in the cross sections of the vessel. Great photos
*PLASTICS OF THE RECOVERY PHASES (SCALE NAVAL MODELS)*
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PLASTICS OF THE RECOVERY PHASES (SCALE NAVAL MODELS)
*REPRESENTATIONS AND PAINTINGS*
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*PLASTICS AND MODELS*
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*ITEMS AND WEAPONS ON BOARD*
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*THE STERN AND THE STERN DECORATIONS*
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*THE DECK AND THE RIGGING*
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*DETAIL IMAGES* OF THE RESTORED WRECK
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*IMAGES OF THE VASA GALLEON AS A WHOLE*
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Good morning to all ship modelers, especially those who love static display models.
_I wanted to share some photos taken at the Vasa Museum of this exceptional—and truly unique—historical naval artifact._
I hope ship enthusiasts—and fans of 17th-century galleons in particular—enjoy these photos.
Perhaps, if not today, these images might prove useful to anyone planning to build a model of the ship (whether from scratch or from a kit).
An older Italian modeler I know had started building the Vasa from scratch, choosing a large and challenging scale. He aimed for a very high level of accuracy, going so far as to replicate the individual nails in the hull planking, installing them one by one with extreme care and patience.
As far as I know, the project isn't finished yet.
For this kind of work, these images are invaluable.
The story of the Vasa is well known; anyone can read about it in books, encyclopedias, or online.
Here is a brief summary (I am copying what I wrote in another thread—without including the link, out of mercy) for those who don't feel like doing the research themselves:
The case is emblematic, but the recovery of the wreck is just as surprising as the sinking itself.
It was an exceptional and well-documented undertaking that brought to light an intact galleon—something never before seen or even imagined.
Even today, Swedish engineers face enormous challenges in preserving this wooden giant raised from the sea.
Simply put, the galleon's own weight creates structural issues that must be resolved effectively and quickly to avoid irreparable damage.
This Swedish galleon was laid down in 1626 and launched in 1628.
It sank the same day it was launched.
Shortly after the keel was laid, the king, learning of similar constructions in competing nations, wanted the ship to be longer.
King Gustav II Adolf of Sweden had more cannons added.
With these modifications the Vasa was the most heavily armed of her era, (or one of the most armed) but it was also excessively long and above all too tall compared to her width.
Furthermore, the huge masses at high elevation raised the center of gravity, making it dangerously unstable.
In an attempt to make it more stable, the ballast was increased, but at the cost of greater immersion of the hull.
Even though the practical test (empirical but consolidated over time and effective) had given a negative outcome, the king's provisions which urged the launch were respected.
With the cannons, ammunition and stern friezes at the time of launching the ship had a small freeboard and the water was very close to the lower gun doors.
On 10 August 1628 the Vasa hoisted her sails on her maiden voyage just off the port of Stockholm where she had been built.
However, a gust of wind tilted it and water began to enter the hull through the gun ports.
The ship sank very quickly just 120 meters from the coast and after having traveled less than a nautical mile, settling on a shallow muddy seabed.
Many people were saved by the boats that rushed to help, but at least 40 of the 130 people on board died in the shipwreck, including wives and children of some crew members, however many fewer than could have been expected, given that the sailors on board they suspected disaster.
The second gust of wind was enough to make it sink, a light wind certainly not a storm. Incredible but true.
The commission of inquiry did not lead to any results, also because it should have blamed the king.
However, everyone knew, even abroad, who was to blame.
*The work is rewarded by the resounding success of the public, people come from all over the world to see this galleon, and even those who are not passionate about ships admire it. It is the most visited museum in Sweden or among the first.*
THE VASA; A SWEDISH GALLEON FROM 1600, A WRECK, A MUSEUM.
Good morning to all ship modelers, especially those who love static display models.
I wanted to share some photos taken at the Vasa Museum of this exceptional—and truly unique—historical naval artifact.
I hope ship enthusiasts—and fans of 17th-century galleons in particular—enjoy these photos.
Perhaps, if not today, these images might prove useful to anyone planning to build a model of the ship (whether from scratch or from a kit).
An older Italian modeler I know had started building the Vasa from scratch, choosing a large and challenging scale. He aimed for a very high level of accuracy, going so far as to replicate the individual nails in the hull planking, installing them one by one with extreme care and patience.
As far as I know, the project isn't finished yet.
For this kind of work, these images are invaluable.
The story of the Vasa is well known; anyone can read about it in books, encyclopedias, or online.
Here is a brief summary (I am copying what I wrote in another thread—without including the link, out of mercy) for those who don't feel like doing the research themselves:
The case is emblematic, but the recovery of the wreck is just as surprising as the sinking itself.
It was an exceptional and well-documented undertaking that brought to light an intact galleon—something never before seen or even imagined.
Even today, Swedish engineers face enormous challenges in preserving this wooden giant raised from the sea.
Simply put, the galleon's own weight creates structural issues that must be resolved effectively and quickly to avoid irreparable damage.
This Swedish galleon was laid down in 1626 and launched in 1628.
It sank the same day it was launched.
Shortly after the keel was laid, the king, learning of similar constructions in competing nations, wanted the ship to be longer.
King Gustav II Adolf of Sweden had more cannons added.
With these modifications the Vasa was the most heavily armed of her era, (or one of the most armed) but it was also excessively long and above all too tall compared to her width.
Furthermore, the huge masses at high elevation raised the center of gravity, making it dangerously unstable.
In an attempt to make it more stable, the ballast was increased, but at the cost of greater immersion of the hull.
Even though the practical test (empirical but consolidated over time and effective) had given a negative outcome, the king's provisions which urged the launch were respected.
With the cannons, ammunition and stern friezes at the time of launching the ship had a small freeboard and the water was very close to the lower gun doors.
On 10 August 1628 the Vasa hoisted her sails on her maiden voyage just off the port of Stockholm where she had been built.
However, a gust of wind tilted it and water began to enter the hull through the gun ports.
The ship sank very quickly just 120 meters from the coast and after having traveled less than a nautical mile, settling on a shallow muddy seabed.
Many people were saved by the boats that rushed to help, but at least 40 of the 130 people on board died in the shipwreck, including wives and children of some crew members, however many fewer than could have been expected, given that the sailors on board they suspected disaster.
The second gust of wind was enough to make it sink, a light wind certainly not a storm. Incredible but true.
The commission of inquiry did not lead to any results, also because it should have blamed the king.
However, everyone knew, even abroad, who was to blame.
The work is rewarded by the resounding success of the public, people come from all over the world to see this galleon, and even those who are not passionate about ships admire it. It is the most visited museum in Sweden or among the first.