Graupner Elke HF 408
Graupner Elke HF 408
I personally have phased out SLA's as they need charging every month regardless of use or they deteriorate. NiMh batteries you can just leave them until you require them again.
regards
Roy
Graupner Elke HF 408
This is a sailing yacht, which would use the engine for moving about while in harbour but most time it would be under sail. When under power of the motor, it would not be very fast, so keep your model accordingly.
I do not put motors in my sailboats. If you do, you are looking at speed control, bigger battery pack, plus, the motor, stuffing box and so forth.
Will you be sailing your model with sail’s furled and vessel under power? Or, are you planning to sail it under way with full sails ?
Graupner Elke HF 408
come to my mind a new possible solution. Can i use for my motor Graupner 280 Speed not the regular 6V battery but a Lipo 7,2Volts? Because maybe is better the Lipo. To compensate the different in weight i can add inside some pieces of lead. What do you think? Or is better to stay with 6Volts Lead battery?
Graupner Elke HF 408
Graupner Elke HF 408
As has been suggested a small prop but do make sure there is not too much drag from the grease in the prop tube.
I use a mixture of 1 part vaseline, 1 part 3 in 1 oil and 1 part WD40 spray. Mix it up together and suck it into the tube. Then cover the end of the tube as you push in the prop shaft. It has virtually no friction and keeps the water out.
regards
Roy
Graupner Elke HF 408
Thanks for your considerations, now have got the information that i need. Thanks also for the attachment that i will keep for future. I will back to you if i will have other topics. Thanks and Ciao
Graupner Elke HF 408
Hi Fulvio,
According to my archive (see attached pdf) the stall current of a 6V Speed 280 is 6.8 Amps.
Normal operating current is around 1.8A.
So I would fit a 5Amp fuse.
Happy boating,
Buona sera, Doug 😎
Graupner Elke HF 408
Graupner Elke HF 408
According the instructions the Max Ampere during the regular rotation will be 2,2 Amperes. In this case I would like to add a fuse on the wire + (red) but between the battery (lead-acid battery at 6v 4000mA/h) and the ESC correct?. How much need to be the fuse? 8 Amperes? 10 Amperes? Thanks
Graupner Elke HF 408
Graupner Elke HF 408
Graupner Elke HF 408
Graupner Elke HF 408
Graupner Elke HF 408
Graupner Elke HF 408
The pitch is not that important for Elke, any 3 bladed prop for fishing boat will do the job, and it is seldom that suppliers of cheap plastic props for kits like this, actually is specifying the pitch.
Graupner Elke HF 408
2: I have used LiFe batteries as substitutes for Lead batteries.
3: Regarding light, I seldom add these to my models, but when I do, I used LED's and add a resistor for each, based on the diode voltage and required mA. You can buy small LED's with wires that are mad to handle a range of voltage. Some of my friends at the club is using them https://evandesigns.com/ (Be careful it's located in the US so TAX may applies when ordering.
4: Always a good idea with a fuse. If you want to be safe you may add one between battery and ESC and ESC and motor.
Br
Carsten
Graupner Elke HF 408
Graupner Elke HF 408
Check your PM box, I have send a link to the files that Roycv got from me.
Br
Carsten
Graupner Elke HF 408
Graupner Elke HF 408
Thanks Fulvio
Graupner Elke HF 408
Graupner Elke HF 408
It is nice to find help when you need it so thanks again.
Best regards
Roy
Graupner Elke HF 408
My Elke kit which is still as dispatched from Graupner, and during its life it has gained a 280 motor. I mostly have low powered model boats and these days many of the esc's have an overload cut out. So at the bottom end as I am re current consumption I have not fittted a fuse or ever had a burnt out motor.
My son and I many years back now used to run Bobby's with a 540 and a P40 prop which gave them a healthy turn of speed. Any weed encountered was just chewed up! The only near stalls were caused by picking up fishing line.
In my Elke I am planning on using a prop shop 25mm 3 blade one and either a monoperm or super monoperm with a very cheap esc.
However there are many motors available, choice is not easy, and I do have a liking for using re-cycled commercial motors. As an example I have a twin powered HDML using 2 ex-computer tape deck motors (Pitman now 50+ years old now). The boat goes faster than scale speed and there 2 off 9 cell Nicad packs (they were going cheap) and full speed is just 3/4 of an amp (750mA) per motor.
So I very much agree that a good match of prop to motor can make all the difference to time and performance on the water. I also like to be able to turn the prop and feel the (brushed) motor 'cogging'.
Regards
Roy
Graupner Elke HF 408
The Hull is looking great.
Do you have anymore updates on this vessel ?
Martin555.
Graupner Elke HF 408
I was basing it on my 2 Billing Mary Ann fishing boats and they come with very small 2 bladed props.
Which I have changed to what must seem more sensible 3 bladed props.
I have a spare Monoperm Super for the Elke build and I have been using the very small esc's that cost < £5 and use the plugs and sockets more often seen on RC receivers.
They are excellent in performance and have the smallest switch I have ever seen to control simulated braking for cars or when off a nice clean and quick reverse. I guess a safe current would be < 4 amps? I have been using them for several years now.
Regards
Roy
Graupner Elke HF 408
That cutter is indeed very similar to my Billing Gina, which BTW is a Danish boat not German.
Although the Graupner boat seems to be rigged as a crab cutter rather than a 'fish' cutter.
Attached pics show the 'wreck' that I inherited, and finally the current hull state.
Cheers, Doug 😎
Graupner Elke HF 408
JB
Graupner Elke HF 408
Long time no hear!🤔
The saga of your boot sale find restoration started, and came to an abrupt halt😮, 3 years ago.
Did you ever get her running to your satisfaction?
If so any pics or vids of her in action available?
Would be very interested to see how she turned out.
Especially as she's very similar to an ancient Billing fish cutter that I inherited from an Aunt around that time and am (slowly🙄) restoring and converting from static to RC.
Cheers, Doug 😎
Graupner Elke HF 408
Please correct me if I'm barking up the wrong tree, but aren't the P and X type plastic props two bladers, primarily for racers?
I believe that this model, a 'plodder' needs a 4 blade water-shover of finer pitch😉
My choice would be a Raboesch type 147-xx 25 or 30mm prop, see page 3 of the attached catalogue.
Driven by a 280 or 285 brushed motor on 6V.
Cheers, Doug 😎
Graupner Elke HF 408
Regards
Roy
Graupner Elke HF 408
Roy
Graupner Elke HF 408
BTW my mother is younger than me when one only calculate the birthdays, get it ;-)
R
Carsten
Graupner Elke HF 408
I had tried many places before but this is the only response that worked.
All the best! By the way in 1969 my son was 2 years older than you!! He likes sailing though so not so bad.
Roy
Graupner Elke HF 408
I have just scanned them all, not sure how detailed they are as they are form 1969 (wow I was 1 year at that time) and they will be available soon on my sky drive, I'll send you a link for download.
Please note that the German one is with pictures and the Eng. is only text so you have to download both.
Sharing you email => under my profile Picture there are a button "Send PM" click on that and you can send me a Private messaged.
R
Carsten
Graupner Elke HF 408
Not sure how to send you my email address.
Thanks
Roy
Graupner Elke HF 408
https://www.amazon.co.uk/clouddrive/share/WNr8qLMjcY8nIeoa9xx2mA0Bjhfbt3pCbuWjxCIehX5
Graupner Elke HF 408
regards
Roy
Graupner Elke HF 408
If you could scan them that would be great otherwise post them and I will copy and send them back and pay for postage etc.
regards
Roy
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