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>> Home > Forum > Boat Specific Chit Chat! > Aerokits MTB, what is it?...
Aerokits MTB, what is it?...
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Westquay
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Forum Posts: 743
21st Jul 2018 17:02  
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Hi all, my son is here and is asking what exactly his MTB is. Is it modelled on a particular type of boat? I've heard Elco, but don't know for sure. Also, does anyone have a set of Aerokits plans for the MTB?

Cheers,
Martin

RNinMunich
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Forum Posts: 2307
21st Jul 2018 21:55  
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Can't tell wi'out a pic Martin🤔
ELCOs are PTBs not MTBs!
Cheers, Doug


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
Westquay
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Forum Posts: 743
21st Jul 2018 22:24  
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Well, there's odd, Doug. I can't find a picture of an actual Aerokits model that I KNOW to be a genuine Aerokits.

I'll have to keep looking for the picture on the box or something. I thought you might be familiar with the model.

Martin

Westquay
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Forum Posts: 743
21st Jul 2018 22:33  
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All I can find, Doug, is this video which is entitled Aerokits PT boat. I wouldn't know a PTB from an MTB in a month of Sundays. It has guns!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBHFXgRNPfQ
Cheers,
Martin

Westquay
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Forum Posts: 743
21st Jul 2018 22:38  
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Ah, here's a basic photo from ebay.

Martin


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RNinMunich
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Forum Posts: 2307
21st Jul 2018 23:14  
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Hi Martin, I meant a pic of your son's model. Then we can perhaps tell what it's supposed to be. What size is it?
Could it be the Aerokits 40" ELCO PTB?
The MTB I was thinking of was the KielKraft kit 😲

Here are loads of pics of the 3 main types of PTBs; ELCO, Higgins and Huckins.
https://www.pinterest.de/pin/417145984205535643/
Any pics ring any bells?
Ciao, Doug 😎
PS Anything like this?
https://picclick.co.uk/Aerokits-Pt-Boat-173353597738.html


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 405
21st Jul 2018 23:32  
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This is a history of MPT boats in detail.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BvG7z0B7JgIC&pg=PA37&lpg... Also this lot. A few pics and a layout from above shown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PT_boat Hope it helps👍

RNinMunich
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Forum Posts: 2307
21st Jul 2018 23:58  
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MPT? Now the waters are getting really muddied! 😲
Was that a Vosper / ELCO cross-breed? 😁


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 405
22nd Jul 2018 00:31  
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I think you would have to wade through the histories Doug but I think it comes down to the very varied arms carried. or just the crossover of Motor Patrol Boat and Patrol Torpedo boat and Motor Torpedo Boat. Maybe Motor Patrol Torpedo Boat too as reading through some of the history I think they weren't sure themselves which term(s) to use. The Wiki description is an easier and informative one to read.👍😊

RNinMunich
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Forum Posts: 2307
22nd Jul 2018 01:06  
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Agreed John, but generally the USN used the term PTB, Patrol Torpedo Boat, and most other (allied?) navies used the term MTB Motor Torpedo Boat.
RN of course also had pure MLs and MGBs, Motor Gun Boats - some of which I believe also carried torpedoes, just to confuse the issue further?, but I never ran across an MPT up to now.😲
Nowadays it's just FAC or FPB for the little bruvvers without missiles!
Cheers, Doug 😎
PS Yep, I know the Wiki page you linked. That's the Power Boats demonstrator sent to the US from which the ELCO PTB boats were derived.


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
Westquay
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 743
24th Jul 2018 17:31  
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Oh sorry, missed all this somehow. My son's boat is the Aerokits (distributed by KeilKraft) 40" boat as in my picture. I hear that it's the Elco 80 footer in 1/24th scale. Does that sound likely to you war knowledgable chaps?
I just told him I would ask about for him, so he can gather info sufficient to finish the model, although I get the feeling "The Old Man" will get the job.
Martin

Martin

MouldBuilder
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Forum Posts: 27
29th Jul 2018 15:24  
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Hello.
I am updating the Aerokits PTB at the moment. I have had it for more than 30 years. I have been informed from several sources that it is an ELCO 80 foot. Unfortunately I have mislaid the plans. I am sure I have them here somewhere. If I find them I will try to copy and post here. I have pictured it in a Build Blog if you would like to look and see if it is the same model.😉

RNinMunich
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Forum Posts: 2307
29th Jul 2018 15:46  
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Hi Martin,
Here are the Aerokits Instructions and plan that Mouldbuilder mentioned.
You may have to do some scaling up!
You might also find the photos of the originals on this site useful for some of the details.
https://www.pinterest.de/pin/557039047643301834/
Cheers, Doug 😎


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Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
Westquay
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 743
29th Jul 2018 17:51  
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Great, thanks, Doug. I can't open those pdfs, though. Not something I usually have problems with. But the pics. will be handy.
Due to the extreme heat changing to rain, I'm still in the workshop, so am getting on with the Spitfire kneeler hydro. It's built to 152VO rules, but I shall never race it as these guys don't come to England. Alas, they are mainly in the bits of Germany I started working in back in 1997 and who can blame them for not coming to Britain, land of tugs and tankers!
Can we get at those pdfs?

Martin

Westquay
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Forum Posts: 743
29th Jul 2018 18:25  
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Mouldbuilder, can't find your build blog?

Martin

MouldBuilder
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Forum Posts: 27
29th Jul 2018 19:50  
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Hi Martin.
It is currently at the top of page 6.
I have attached a couple of photographs of the assembly instructions. Hope they are of use.
Peter.😊


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RNinMunich
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Forum Posts: 2307
29th Jul 2018 22:12  
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Hi Martin, are you using a PC & Laptop or a 'Dumbphone?

On a PC all you have to do is left click on the Adobe image, then left click on 'Download' in the top left corner of the image window.
Windows will then ask you if you want to Open or Save the file.
Save it to disc first then you can view it anytime.
If you are using a Dumbphone I can't help you. I don't!
Cheers, Doug 😎
PS I'll email 'em to you just in case! 😉


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
RNinMunich
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 2307
29th Jul 2018 22:15  
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Funny? Those pics are not what I found in the build blog!!??😲


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
RNinMunich
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 2307
29th Jul 2018 22:25  
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Martin,
the Blog is here
https://model-boats.com/builds/view/40077
Doug


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
Westquay
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 743
29th Jul 2018 23:17  
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Thanks, Doug. Oh what a lovely rheostat, mouldbuilder. If you don't need it give me a price you'll take for it. I still have a hankering for those instead of damned ESCs with all their unreliability. And horrendous costs!

Thanks for the info. I'll pass it on to my son. Green, you say? I thought as naval craft, they were grey, but I don't do military, so I wouldn't know.

Cheers,
Martin

RNinMunich
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Forum Posts: 2307
29th Jul 2018 23:32  
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Hi Martin, a few ELCOs were used in the European theatre, they were USN standard Navy Medium Grey. Or RN medium Sea Grey depending who used 'em.
Most were deployed in the Pacific, where during the day they hid under the foliage in inlets on the islands. Hence the crews started painting them green (whatever they could 'acquire', as in the pics of the restored boat in the link I sent. Which is what I intend to do with mine. A la PT109 Kennedy's boat. Crew have already reported for duty😉
Some more info on colours here
http://www.ptboatworld.com/PT_Boat_Info/colorschemes.htm
Sorry, got me link references mixed up! Archive getting toooo BIG 😲
Here's the link to the restored boat in Battleship Cove USA with tremendous detail
http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/PTBoat/index.htm
Cheers, Doug 😎


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Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 405
30th Jul 2018 00:57  
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What rheostat😉 I missed that?

RNinMunich
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Forum Posts: 2307
30th Jul 2018 01:01  
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So did I John, just spent (wasted?) 10 mins looking for it !!?? 🤔
a 'Bob's Board' or what??


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
RNinMunich
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 2307
30th Jul 2018 01:11  
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BTW Martin; just looked at the video link you posted.
That boat looks underpowered to me, or too much weight forward?
Bow hardly comes outta the wet stuff, my little Sea Scout performs better than that 😁
Also seems to need the spray rails fitting.
With all that splash the crew would have had a lotta fun arming the torpedoes 🤔😲

PS; I'm about to test run the first Taycol conversion board I made for you on my Taycol Target. More soon 👍


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 405
30th Jul 2018 01:53  
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Yep a bobs board Good luck with TAYCOL testing👍

RNinMunich
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Forum Posts: 2307
30th Jul 2018 01:54  
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Thanks John, full report soon.
Sleep? Wossat?? 😁
Where did you see the Bob's Board?
I must still have one somewhere! Was in my Sea Scout before her first (correction; second refit!) refit around 25 years ago.
Cheers, Doug 😎


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 405
30th Jul 2018 01:56  
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How do I get rid of a message once I've replied to it?

onetenor
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Forum Posts: 405
30th Jul 2018 01:58  
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Sleep 🤓😊

RNinMunich
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 2307
30th Jul 2018 01:59  
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Hi John,
As far as I know you can only delete the Notification from your own Mailbox not the Message itself on the website server.

"ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ" 😉


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 405
30th Jul 2018 03:02  
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😊Ta I'll try that👍

RNinMunich
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Forum Posts: 2307
30th Jul 2018 03:44  
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Martin,
first test of the prototype board for your Taycol Supermarine successful😊
Next will make a 'production version'.
How many boards do you need all together?
Cheers, Doug


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 405
30th Jul 2018 03:49  
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Can't see how to remove that message . There is another waiting to be read.😆 Well done on the TAYCOL test👍

RNinMunich
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Forum Posts: 2307
30th Jul 2018 03:56  
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John, You can't remove Messages, or any other post or anything else for that matter, from the website. Only an Administrator, e.g. Fireboat, can do that.
All you (or I) can do is delete the Notification of a message or post from our own personal Mailbox; Outlook or whatever you use.
Personally I avoid Outlook like the plague 😲
Ta for the 'Well Done' 👍 Had to correct a stoooooopid wiring mistook then all was well.


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 405
30th Jul 2018 04:21  
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I'm not wanting to delete the message just move it from my mailbox. No I don't use Outlook either but I can't think which one I use just now. An age thing LOL👍 Oo😊ps it's G Mail

RNinMunich
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Forum Posts: 2307
30th Jul 2018 04:27  
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In most Mailboxes just open the message and somewhere in the command line at the top there should be a delete command, or a 'Dustbin' symbol.😉
Or just try hitting the 'Del' key.


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 405
30th Jul 2018 04:42  
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Ta muchly 😁

Westquay
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Forum Posts: 743
30th Jul 2018 09:50  
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Doug, I always seem to be behind with this thread, missing bits. Great to hear the board is a success. I would only need three at the most, or just do the one and I can copy that to make any more.
What video link do you mean?
I thought Bob's boards were printed circuit based rather than nice fat rheostats.

Cheers,
Martin

RNinMunich
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Forum Posts: 2307
30th Jul 2018 12:35  
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Hi Martin, this link - from you!
"All I can find, Doug, is this video which is entitled Aerokits PT boat. I wouldn't know a PTB from an MTB in a month of Sundays. It has guns!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBHFXgRNPfQ
Cheers,
Martin "

OK. I'll do you one complete and tested to copy and a couple of blank boards for the other two.
Yes of course Bob's Board were like a PCB.
I (and John) just wondered where you'd seen a rheostat!?
Suppose it must be somewhere in the background in Mouldbuilder's Blog.
Ciao, Doug


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
Westquay
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 743
30th Jul 2018 17:39  
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I reckon that's a pretty decent scale speed, but maybe it needs re-trimming a little to get the forefoot out a little higher. I doubt if the Taycol Double Special that's in it will make it as fast as that even, so maybe one of my Merco 61s will have to go in and the lad can use the Taycol in his tug model. On our local river we can middle finger the "Saynos".

The fat rheostat is in one of the pictures of mouldbuilder's boat. Black and in very nice condition, IN the boat.

Cheers,
Martin

canabus
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31st Jul 2018 07:57  
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Hi Westquay
Plans of the Aerokits MTB.
Canabus


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RNinMunich
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31st Jul 2018 11:33  
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Hi Martin
and here extracts from the USN Bureau Of Ships Plans.
Plus some painting inspiration😉 and cockpit and stern detail.
Have fun, cheers Doug😎


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Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
Westquay
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 743
31st Jul 2018 12:00  
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Blimey, thanks, Doug, that'll keep the lad busy and off the streets!

I'll send them through to him.

Thanks again.

Martin

boaty
(Admiral)





Forum Posts: 58
31st Jul 2018 12:09  
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The Aerokits P.T boat is a semi scale model based upon the Elco 80ft PT boat of WW2. The most famous of these being PT109 whose skipper was John F Kennedy who later became President of the U.S.A.

Though the Aerokits version is semi scale there is scope for minor modifications to bring it up to scale. There is a lot of information around on the internet and articles in related magazines etc which will provide modelers with good guidelines for achieving this.

Due to the size of the Aerokits version there is plenty of room in the hull both for a single motor version or a triple one, the latter bringing it up to true scale.

Though there are manufacturers who produce replicas of Aerokits I have not seen one for the P.T Boat but with a bit of searching,😁😁 plans can be found.

Boaty


Dave Keech
RNinMunich
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Forum Posts: 2307
31st Jul 2018 12:33  
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Hi Martin,
My pleasure Mate, got plenty more where that came from if he needs more detail of other fittings. I've been trawling and collecting since I bought a 1/35 version from 'Basil'sDad' last September.
Pics are 'As bought', 'Current state' 🤔, PT109 crew with Kennedy, standing on the right hand end.
Good luck to your 'little lad' 😉 If you want to spoil him (or you if it turns out that way!) for choice look here-
https://www.pinterest.de/pin/417145984205535643/
BTW: mine is twin engined, 2xBL. Reckon that's enough for 1/35 scale!
Cheers, Doug 😎


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Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!