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>> Home > Forum > Boat Specific Chit Chat! > Elaine motor update/assembly pictures
Elaine motor update/assembly pictures
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Colin H.
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 423
8th Sep 2018 14:58  
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Few more pictures of the motor.


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Fair winds and calm waters,
COLIN.
Belton
(Apprentice)





Forum Posts: 2
9th Sep 2018 08:08  
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It's a Mills 1.3. Nice old motor.

Westquay
(Fleet Admiral!)





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9th Sep 2018 09:50  
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Ah, now it's clean, it's easier to see. A Mills 1.3 Mk 2. A very good and much sought after engine. Much copied too! The water jacket is clearly an amateur jobbie. Not sure if Mills made a flywheel for marine use. Possibly for use on small tethered hydros and cars. The engine is worth more than all the rest of the boat put together!
Nice job on the clean up. You could repair those mounting lugs with some of that aluminium solder I referred to recently.

Cheers,
Martin

Colin H.
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 423
9th Sep 2018 09:53  
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Thanks for the info, gladly appreciated. Aluminium solder is new to me, what's it called and where is it available from.
Cheers Colin.


Fair winds and calm waters,
COLIN.
Colin H.
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 423
9th Sep 2018 09:55  
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Thank you for your interest, much appreciated. I'll be adding it to my vintage show display.
Cheers Colin.


Fair winds and calm waters,
COLIN.
Westquay
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 792
9th Sep 2018 10:00  
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It's called Alu-Bild 300 and I got mine on ebay. So easy to use.
Also, you might be interested in this .
http://www.ripmax.com/Category_List.aspx?Category=X0610

I told you it was much copied!

Cheers,
Martin

Colin H.
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 423
9th Sep 2018 10:05  
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Thanks I'll check it out.
Cheers Colin.


Fair winds and calm waters,
COLIN.
onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 451
9th Sep 2018 22:17  
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I've a number of alloy solders dating back to the original Lumiweld in the 50s to a few of others from E Bay / Amazon. I've just got some of that 300 deg Al u bild. Just got to work out how to solder safely on my lap. Could be tricky. LOL Any ideas fellas/Ladies?🤔

onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 451
9th Sep 2018 22:23  
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Nice clean up on the engine. What did you use? How did you get the Jacket off ? did you take pics? It may have been a home made job but effective it seems. Are you going to keep that fuel formula a secret or will you tell us🤔👍

RNinMunich
(Fleet Admiral!)





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9th Sep 2018 22:34  
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Solders or soldiers John!?😁
Soldering on your lap!!!! 😲
S'pose that's one way to cook the meat an' two vege 😲😡

BTW gents: the stuff is called Alu BUild. If I search for Alu Bild here in Germany I get a lot of links to artists who make pictures on or out of aluminium! Bild in German = Picture! Some quite spectacular I must admit, but for €1000 plus they damn well oughta be!
Happy soldering folks, Cheer, Doug 😎


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 451
9th Sep 2018 23:08  
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Soldiers while soldering could be painful Eh!Doug I have a mini/multi soldering gas torch for the locus of the solder but my plumbing gas torch might be a bit much too much for safety while background heating. ( The mass ) Ny ideas considered 👍🤔
P.S. Doug look for AluBild On E Bay/ Amazon they also do AluJoin400 and Johnson Massey Silver Brazing solders Alu Flo Siverflo55 (55% silver)SiverFlo 452 45% silver and quite a few more. They are supplied by Abel Mabel Crafts if that helps.👍
B.T.W. I think the Irvine Mills were better than even the originals. I wish I had mine back again👍

RNinMunich
(Fleet Admiral!)





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9th Sep 2018 23:33  
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Thanks for the tips John, I'll sniff around.
But every time I search anything with 'Bild' in it I just get a load of artist's stuff! It must be 'build' surely!!
Cheers, Doug 😎
PS Don't Massey build tractors an' harvesters an' stuff? 😁
PPS 'Able Mabel' !!
"The ship's cook name was Mabel,
By god she weren't 'alf able,
She gave the the crew their daily do upon the kitchen table .... 😁
The ship's dog's name was Rover,
Some bugger threw 'im over,
He banged his c..k on every rock from John O Groats to Dover"
Odd the things that stick in your memory - like old cricket club coach songs!


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 451
10th Sep 2018 00:19  
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'Twas on the good ship P@@@s Eh! Now P.C.'d as Venus I think. He He. I remember those trips to away fixtures LOL and coming back with the crates in the gangway. I.P.A. and Newky brown .Also some cider. We couldn't recall the score. Ha!😎 Massey-Ferguson you mean matey re the tractors.Re bild vs Build Try tapping in Alu Build and it might correct itself and give you the correct site. It might work. My comp is playing up a bit and when I Google something it comes up and immediately jumps to alternative sites and won't settle on the one I want. Damned nuisance.
P.S. If you can find the Mano Mano site they sell packs of small rubber buffer/ polishers. Use in Dremel et Al. Great on ali ,brass, copper etc. Also paintwork.👍

RNinMunich
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 2402
10th Sep 2018 01:08  
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Exactamente John, especially the Newky Brown, luvly stuf!
When at RAF Marham in the 60s I was instrumental in introducing that into the bowling alley.
The Airman's Mess was next door and one night we brought a crate over from their bar and after that it was always on the Me an' U in the alley.
I gave up cider after my experience with the real scrumpy in Somerset, made by our landlord on his farm. After my first 'samples' I woke up at 4ish in the morning in a haystack (alone 😭) wondering where the hell I was, WHO I was and where did the piledriver in my head come from! 😲
"'twas on the good ship (V)enus,
By God you shoulda seen us,
The figure head was a **********" 😁
Rest by PM only folks with evidence of age!!!!
Those were the days eh John 😉 How's your square leg?😁
Cheers, Doug 😎


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
RNinMunich
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 2402
10th Sep 2018 01:27  
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John, Re PC Browser 'jumping' to other sites-
Can heartily recommend McAffee 'Total Security'
It stops such automatic jumping and warns you that site is trying to redirect you! It gives you the choice of Yes or no and it also finds and neutralises the viruses that can cause this irritation! Works for me👍
Cheers, Doug 😎


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 451
10th Sep 2018 03:03  
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By Christ you should've seen us---- After the drinks that is. Scrumpy put me in a dry (thankfully) ditch for about 6 hours and even my darkish skin got sun sore . I'd stopped at a farm to ask directions about 10 'clock and was offered a drink as it was so hot. Loving cider I opted for some home made from the keg on the sideboard. About 1/2 a pint and a chat later I was on the bike again.About 6 in the evening a sledgehammer woke me banging inside my head and I was stiff and sore. Luckily someone offered me a lift to the inn I was lodging at. A warm shower and a meal soon sorted me out. BTW it didn't put me off cider though Re my square leg(s)Is that why I can't walk? I'm more like silly mid off currently.😁👍👍👍 Just realised my McAffee cover has Expired .Thanks for the Jog👍

RNinMunich
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 2402
10th Sep 2018 03:37  
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I once played 'suicidal' silly mid on, and caught the end of a mistimed leg drive on my jaw! Jaw survived but a few teeth didn't😡
Relegated myself to extra cover after that, occasionally 3rd slip when absolutely necessary!
I still can't get the smell of cider passed my nose 🤔
Cheers (!?) Doug 😎


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 451
10th Sep 2018 04:53  
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That's why it's silly . That and First slip> Re the cider If it's that bad don't even try. I was like that with Whiskey for a time but it wore off eventually.😜😋

onetenor
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 451
10th Sep 2018 18:36  
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Colin Come on mate Spill the beans. What did you clean the motor with? And % of diesel to Methanol. I want to try it. Re engine cleaning I am using rubber buffing tools from Mano Mano as the post above to Doug. Shifts the oxides nicely. Good on copper, brass and pewter too. 6 tools in 3 different shapes.Cylinder Conical and rounded cylinder.Get into the nooks and crannies. They do wear away but they are cheap enough.

Colin H.
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 423
11th Sep 2018 21:46  
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You obviously weren't paying attention. The mix ratio was in earlier post, but here it is again. 10ml diesel and 2 drips methanol. Not recome for running the engine as not enough lubricant, it was only a quick test to see if the engine was a runner. The cleanup was done with diesel and petrol mix equal parts and a stiff brush to remove the crud first then a suede brush and scotchbrite pad. As I put it together I used gun oil as it is going to be used as a static display model for the history section of my vintage model display. I hope this answers your question, cheers Colin.


Fair winds and calm waters,
COLIN.
Donnieboy
(Fleet Admiral!)





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11th Sep 2018 23:15  
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Colin,Excellent job on the clean up of the engine.It does take a while to clean them up.Thank you for sharing the process.

Colin H.
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 423
12th Sep 2018 21:18  
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Thanks for the kind words, this is the part of the hobby I love the most.
Have just been researching the serial numbers and found that this one is from the first batch of mk2's made in 1948.
And some new parts are still available, so might replace the con rod and gudgeon pin. As the rest is still in good order.
Normal running speed of 8000 to 10500 revs. is possible, although I doubt it will ever be used again.
Cheers Colin.


Fair winds and calm waters,
COLIN.
RNinMunich
(Fleet Admiral!)





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12th Sep 2018 23:33  
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"I doubt it will ever be used again."
Maybe not Colin, IF I ever get your Supermarine back together again😁
Nice going Mate, Cheers, Doug 😎


Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!
Colin H.
(Fleet Admiral!)





Forum Posts: 423
13th Sep 2018 09:00  
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Well the supermarine will get regular use once I get the boat rebuilt, dad would have loved to see his sea commander back on the water. Will be using 12v 7ah sla to power it.
Cheers Colin.


Fair winds and calm waters,
COLIN.
RNinMunich
(Fleet Admiral!)





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13th Sep 2018 09:12  
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12v Eh!?
Hmmm! Then I reckon then I'd better beef up the worn Paxolin 'bearings' with some metal bushes!! Looking forward to your 'Refurb' Blog Colin.
Know what you mean about 'Dad', think mine would have been chuffed to see what I managed to make of his old Sea Scout.
Cheers, Doug 😎


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Young at heart - slightly older in other places 😉 Cheers Doug
Grant me the Serenity to accept things I can't change, - the Courage to change things that I can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference!