MTBs and 'Flowers' - Posted: 3 months ago by RNinMunich
Just ran across this (compared with most others from the era) incredibly sharp photo, (right click the photo then left click 'Show photo' and then'+' and you'll see what I mean by sharp!!😉) apparently (allegedly?) a 'Vosper 70ft Motor Torpedo Boat V-252 at Greenock in January 1942. In the background is the Flower class Corvette HMCS Trillium(K172)' (Which makes me wonder if OUR Trillium served on her!?) + 2 others! Research continues, I have an interest in both types 😉 Cheers Doug 😎
Not quite RH! But similar heritage. Brave Swordsman P1012 was one of two Brave class, the other being Brave Borderer P1011 (see photo taken on the Rhine river). Both were built between 1958 - 1960. The Danes ordered 6 (Søløven-class) to a similar design, 4 being built under license in Denmark. Replaced ca 1990 by the 'Flying Fish' class. The Royal Malaysian Navy ordered 4 boats in 1964 which became the Perkasa class, ca 6 years after the Braves. Class ship being KD Perkasa P150. The other 3 were KD Handalan P151, KD Gempita P152, KD Pendekar P153. They were delivered in 1967 some 7 years after the Braves were delivered. The Perkasa design was based on the Søløven-class which itself was based on the Brave class. So the model (to my mind) is Brave Swordsman. With 3 Perseus gas turbines the Braves were at the time the fastest naval ships in the world at 52 knots. The Søløvens and Perkasas used the same set up. Cheers Doug 😎 PS The Braves could be equipped as MTB or MGB with two 40mm. Borderer in the pic seems to be in that configuration.
Hi Doug, Hate to split hairs, but am researching a Brave Borderer for my next project. In doing so can advise that although the BB and the Brave Swordsman were sister ships, they had different superstructures. Have no idea why. The Perkasa was different again, it resembles the BB but it has an enclosed wheel house in front of what looks like a BB superstructure. This extended portion can be seen on the pictures. Sorry, as R.A.F in Canada, to disagree with you! Enjoyed the rest of your post though, it helped explain some of the export derivatives of the Brave class which I could not otherwise pin down. Rowen
Hi Rowen, we're not splitting hairs! Together we are getting to the roots👍 I had also noticed the slight differences in superstructure; especially the aft part and the bridge top/screen. But I noticed these variations also in the Danish and other variants. Didn't want to overload the post with these as I thought it was long enough already😲 Seems some variations were introduced depending on the base variant it was ordered as MTB or MGB (most of which still had at least two torpedoes!). Since the Brave class were apparently very expensive to produce (which is why only two were built not the planned six?) the later variants were based on a cheaper export version, 'Felicity' type I think they were called. They were a little smaller but with similar performance and firepower to the Braves, some with two Perseus turbines instead of two but most with three as in the Braves, and cheaper to build with wood on alu frames instead of all metal. Usually classed as FPBs or FACs depending on armament. Summary; The Perkasa was not a generic class but a specific four ship class for the RMN. Basis for the hulls and superstructure design was the same as the Braves and Felicity but some 'poetic license' was taken with subsequent export order with variations even within classes. Comparing available (to me) pics again I now tend to agree with you that the rounded bridge of the model is more like the Perkasa class than the box-like bridge of Swordsman. 😲 BTW: In 1971 the RMN Perkasas were upgraded with SS12 missiles so there's another interesting variant for the aficionados 😉 Credentials: was not in the RAF (but Dad was!), but I worked with the RMN and the Surabaya shipyard (and various other bidders) on the design of the COMMS systems for the replacements for the Perkasa class and then their replacements, up to the current NGPV-2 (New Generation Patrol Vessel-Batch 2). Interesting work and people. Also did some work on their new frigates and an auxiliary in the nineties. One thing I always did before embarking on such projects was to research the background of the navy involved, operational area and requirements and also the potential shipyard partners. Part of establishing confidence and rapport. 😉 Anyway - whatever; model-wise - if it looks right it probably is right! Main thing is fun planning, building and above all sailing, exchanges like this help us all a lot I believe. All the best Doug 😎
Scratchbuilt WW2 1/24 Scale Vosper 73' Type 1 MTB. Built in 2016, in company with a friend's 1/24 scale BPB MGB. The Vosper hull is built from balsawood and fibreglass. The upper deck and superstructure is from balsawood. The weapons and fittings are from brass, aluminium and plastic. The 20mm and gunner can rotate.
The USS READY was an Asheville class gunboat that saw service in the USN during the Vietnam period of the 1970's. Four of the boats were outfitted with RIM missiles and served with the US 6th fleet until decommissioned in the late 1970's. The 51" model is a Dumas kit from the 80's and like other Dumas offerings rather basic. I didn't use the kit's metal fittings but replaced them with scratch built items. To make my boat a little different I built the missile launchers that the READY carried. It's just finished so I hope to have it "underway" next spring.
a 30"scratch built pt. boat, I built hull from .8mm ply using a resized eezebilt 20" plan. the deck fittings were copied as best as I could from photos and drawings found on line. powered by 2- 2200kv brushless out runner motors through 2 20 amp speed controllers. twin contra rotating props twin rudders fast and light a pleasure to build
Hi JTodd Perhaps I should have explained better when I pointed you in that direction. The intention of the Build Blog is to allow you to post details and Pics as you build so our members can share your experience. It works fine if used in this way and there are plenty of Build Blogs in support of this. You can easily add to your build blog and give each addition a title relevant to the build, plus any written comments and pics, this then allows others to follow your progress. Stephen is possibly on holiday but will be able to advise you on his return. If the weather over your side of the pond is anything like the UK your Constellation has possibly been in the doldrums, our Schooners on my sailing lake certainly have! I look forward to many more posts showing your models and building skills. Regards Dave
BRAVO ZULU! Very fine replica sir. As small boy, I invested many hours in the basement on Dad's workbench to construct the Revell plastic kit of USS CONSTITUTION. I remember the detail of that model and subsequent plastic & wooden builds, so I can fathom the painstaking effort it involved to create this work of art. Thank you. FAIR WINDS & FOLLOWING SEAS
Hi from Munich Very very nice 👍 Some good tips for my own Plastic Magic projects: Hood, Ark Royal, T45 (new Daring class RN destroyer) 1:350. Like the motor mounts,👍 I have also collected several of those flat sided mini and micro motors! Keep up the good work Cheers Doug 😎