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Scimitar-class patrol vessel
Two vessel in it class
(1) HMS Scimitar
(2) HMS Sabre
Launched: December 1992
Displacement: 24,000Β kg
Builder: Portsmouth
Armament: 2 Γ General purpose machine guns (stern-mounted)
Complement: 7 (1 officer, 6 ratings)
Gibraltar Squadron's two Scimitar-class boats are the smallest commissioned vessels in the Royal Navy.
This build was to produce a fun semi scale racing boat, I have always liked the Archer class boats cabin design. So after finding a suitable hull, an old 'Models by Design' GRP moulding I was away with the rest of the build.
Striped out all old fittings and remnants removed excess glue.
Added strakes to the hull to add lift for planning and control.
Produced a semi scale deck and cabin from light ply.
Thanks for your interest
Roy
6 years ago by CB90
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Barnett Class Lifeboat Plans
is this the boat you wish to build...β¦..I have this partly finished model that I doubt I will ever get done....
grp hull
and cabin with some resin fittings, also have a set of plans for ut, and plenty of photos of the Ramsey Dyce, Aberdeens boat taken recently Β£400.00p ono if you'd like a head start,
6 years ago by nhp651
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HMS Campbeltown 1941, 1/96 scale
Doug. Yes, my project is based on
grp hull
.
The book contains loads more drawings including frame, armaments etc. I can send you more but it may be worth investing in the book?
6 years ago by cormorant
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HMS Campbeltown 1941, 1/96 scale
Excellent, thanks Steveπ
Just one thing; there are no frame profiles?
Were they not in the plan somewhere, or was it because the project was based on a
grp hull
?
Cheers, Doug π
6 years ago by RNinMunich
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(Working Vessel) Wellard
I decided to build a canal/river maintenance barge and had a Thames lighter
grp hull
as a starter. This was too long so I took a chunk out of the middle and joined the two halves. The decks, hold, cabin and the rest was very much scratchbuilt. There is a lot about this model that would make either the purist or the local H&S man cringe but it was fun and looks great on a shelf in the workroom or even better on the odd trip to the lake. The Hiab crane although in wrong place I think really finishes off the model well the crane and the loo paper haha. Hope someone out there likes it. Regards (5/10)
6 years ago by ChrisG
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Mahogany in Scale
Last I saw t, he showed it working. Alas he has been stricken with Alzheimers in the last few months. I was asked not to go round as his wife had had a fall and it was all rather awkward round there. So suddenly a good old friend (he's 84) has been taken from me. What will happen to all his stuff, I dread to think. There are over 50 flyable aircraft in sheds, caravans and his large loft, even some boats. He gave me a
grp hull
of the Bloodhound and a freelance, very early GRP cruiser hull. I shall attempt to finish them in his memory, because it's like he's died.
That E.D. RC set should be in a museum, but there ain't no model museums.
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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(Yacht) Luna 50
1/12th scale model of a Luna 50 for the boss of the company who invented Cosworth's casting methods. Started with a
grp hull
and finished everything else. Delivered to a friend's garden in Devon, from whence the owner collected model in a freight frame in his helicopter! (5/10)
6 years ago by Westquay
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Model Wherry hulls
Hi, 2 questions.
does anyone know of a
grp hull
moulding of a Norfolk Wherry, preferably in a decent scale like 1/16th or 1/24th? Yes, I have Black Sailed Traders, Wherries and Waterways and the cardback on Albion, but I am too old to bother with making stuff like hulls. I'd rather buy a decent hull and make the rest on top.
Also, I live in the Cambridgeshire/Norfolk Fens. Is there anyone in the Wisbech/March/ Downham Market area who wants to meet up with like souls and sail for absolutely FREE on any of the huge number of accessible waters we have round here, the Well Creek being one of them.
Ah, three questions....third? Does anyone know if the Scale Sailing Association still exists? I have googled all manner of things and got nowhere. I am not interested in what I call Isle of Man yachts or other modern things with film glued on the decks and sails made of anything other than cotton. I do have a Marblehead, but it's a beautiful vintage one, once owned by Sir Thomas Lipton.
Cheers,
Martin
7 years ago by Westquay
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Wherry hull in GRP
Hi all, to save time, I'd like to find a
grp hull
for a wherry model. Preferably around 1/16th scale to go with my Vanity model, but around 36-40 inches. Are there such things?
Cheers,
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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Painting
Hi, do you guys use airbrush or aerosol cans for painting? Thinking in terms of a βplasticβ
grp hull
etc. Thank you in advance.
6 years ago by Falmouth1729
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Wherry hull in GRP
Hi Dave,
as Arron is the name on the facebook chat heading I assumed, reasonably, that he is the one to talk to.
It's perfectly possible to see faults in a product without actually having it in one's hand. I can see that the light reflections down the side show the sides to be not fairly curved. Years in the car design/prototyping game have ensured that (I, too, am a tool/patternmaker of many years experience, from 1/500th city models to full size Bugatti design models). I have a good eye and both are telling me that hull in the picture I was sent isn't top drawer. The top edge of the hull is very woolly, not smoothly trimmed, but the main objection is that it's not clinker and that is a major problem for a wherry, considering only Albion was carvel. With a clinker model we could have a selection of different craft. With carvel, every model would be Albion, a little tedious at the pondside, I'm sure you would agree. Perhaps you could produce a pattern by gluing planks on to the basic GRP structure? Then re-mould. To counter the balance of such a big sail in a blow you will also need a fin keel, but that's down to the builder really, though your experiments with waterline would be useful for buyers of the hull as to weights required, etc.
I don't wish to pee on your bonfire, but with a history of so many very good (and obviously so)
grp hull
s on the market, we have come to expect a bang-on quality from the word go. Of course, any company new or old, who are prepared to listen to criticism and act on it are more than welcomed.
Perhaps some different photos of the hull would satisfy us as to its shape and moulding quality?
If it were a lot better than that one photo shows, I would be prepared to buy one still and then glue suitable planks to it to get my clinker model if that proves possible. I can't really say fairer than that.
Cheers,
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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Wherry hull in GRP
Arron, the first thing to do is make the pattern a clinker construction. Your website showed that you were using CAD to develop plank shapes. I have no idea if that's possible, but if you can do CAD and it is possible why is the model carvel?
Secondly the sides show a great deal of wobbliness to the shape. What car designers would describe as "flabbiness". There is no strength to the form. it goes in and out. Maybe the layup is not thick enough in that area. The side view isn't bad, if a little indistinct. Maybe in the trimming, but then a well laid up hull will trim much better. There should be a sheer line moulded in to which the deck level can be trimmed.
I'm sure anyone wanting a model of Albion will be delighted to find a
grp hull
at last, but for a wider audience you would have been better off taking a little longer and making a clinker version. Wherries were so varied in length/tonnage that a clinker model could cover as many as 3 popular scales at the extremes.
BTW, I didn't say 3D was all you did, only that as a young guy it was very likely 3d printed since you will have learned the necessary CAD. I wish my son could do the same as he has 3 printers already, but can only use free files.
If I could do CAD, I would be dangerous
Cheers,
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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grp hull
s by the million...
Hi Doug,
36" even at 1/350 scale. Ye Gods, they really were big devils, eh?
I always thought Hood was a very attractive ship.
My loft was going to be my slot track home, then I went to stand up...DoH! not even crouch room, never mind head room, so storage it is. My Sea Urchin, Veron Veronica yacht, vintage Marblehead and Dorada are all up there. There is so much insulation up there that you can't see where the joists are when poking about. But I'm lucky to have a 6x6 foot brick shed with a Fort Knox type door, so models can also go up in the rafters of that too. Vanity on the side bench, currently. That's also where the bandsaw lives, the table saw and where silver soldering happens.
Just out of interest, I've noticed there's a lot of photo-etch detail for 1/350 scale. Do you use that? I'd be interested to see your Hood when it's done.
Cheers,
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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grp hull
s by the million...
Well, OK, maybe not a million, but more than you can shake a stick at and rather nice to boot, provided you want 1/24th for action or 1/72nd and 1/35th for statics. I really don't know when this geezer sleeps.
mtbhulls.com
Nice quality work. Shame, I am a 1/16th scale man.
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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grp hull
s by the million...
Evenin' Martin,
Seem to remember we had this discussion about a year ago, when I mentioned that my warships are all around 4 to 5 feet! π
A new challenge is to motorise 1/350 versions of Hood, Ark Royal and Prince of Wales. They come out at about 28" to 36". Big enuff I reckon.
I envy you your loft π
All the best, Doug π
PS: thanks for the tip about old credits cards for filler π
I just used an otherwise now useless Air Berlin Top Bonus π to apply filler to the Danish Fish Cutter I am renovating and converting from static to RC. Works great π
I plan to use the Taycol Target I modified last year to go both forward and astern under RC.
6 years ago by RNinMunich
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grp hull
s by the million...
I find most miniaturisation fascinating, but boats don't go on scale water and the bobbing about makes my lip curl. Also you're da man for lecktrickery which doesn't appeal to me one bit. I like the larger scales for detail. 30-40 inch hulls is OK for me. I can stack those in the shed or the loft.
M
6 years ago by Westquay
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grp hull
s by the million...
Alles klarπEach to his own.
Some of us just like the 'Plastic Magic' challenge of making things work at smaller scales.
Anyway I don't have the room for 1/24 or larger.
Nix fΓΌr Ungut π Doug π
6 years ago by RNinMunich
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grp hull
s by the million...
Doug, I'm only looking at the RAF boats. As you know I don't do military (offensive military), so I wouldn't be looking at the HMS type of thing and even if I was, I'm not a fan of tiddler versions of capital ships. Too corkish on the water for my liking.
So 1/24th is a minimum scale for working models for me.
Of course 35th or even 72nd is fine for the big stuff, if that's what he does, but I was only looking for hard chinery.
Cheers,
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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grp hull
s by the million...
What's static about 1/72 or 1/35???
Or even 1/128 or smaller?
H class destroyer & Type IIA U-Boat 1/72,
PTB 1/35,
Belfast & Graf Spee 1/128.
1/350 HMS Hood and Prince of Wales on the stocks.
Motor, ESC, servo and RX fit packages already prepared.
Cheers, Dougπ
'Nichts ist unmΓΆglich' π
6 years ago by RNinMunich
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At last, as step nearer to completion for the Crash tender...
Hi all,
well having been disappointed by the non arrival of the wherry
grp hull
as an early birthday present, my dear bride has agreed to let me send off to SLEC for a set of Crash Tender fittings. I was going to get them in white metal from Ivan at ipengineering, who had them and all the Rowell kits, but he darts from one thing to another and next thing I know is he's flogged it all to SLEC, so I have a set of 1/16th fittings coming to replace the long stolen set of Ripmax Mersey Marine fittings I got with the Crash Tender when I was 11. I had a new brother arriving at the time and would be chucked out of my boxroom, so Dad went nuts and got me the whole kit and caboodle from a new exciting R/C and boat shop in Collier Row, Romford for my 11th Christmas. Alas, the REP single channel R/C set has also been stolen, but the boat and its Taycol Supermarine are here still and now might even finally get finished. As a 12 year old I used the model in an unfinished state on Essex oyster beds for years after, using up lantern batteries like they were growing on trees by the River Roach. Going left, centre,right,centre, but I was having a whale of a time. I shall put an old set of early propo. in it, 27 meg, of course, so stay off green frequency if you don't mind.
I was thinking it should be finished as a 60s model, but I can't resist the lure of detailing it now we have all the info thanks to this website, so rather than finding space for 2 of them I'll detail this one after all. The wherry will have to wait.
Oh and that brother? He's due here in an hour having come over for a tour of the old country from his life in Australia with his 22 year old son! And he's going back with some old model boat plans from Gary Griswold and The Rudder, which I have amassed, so the tradition continues. I will work on the nephew!
Cheers,
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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KD ''Perkasa''
For Sale:
1/32 scale
grp hull
Vosper Thorneycroft KD "Perkasa" new in box and complete.
Length - 37 inches (935mm)
Beam - 91/4 inches (235mm)
Β£75 plus postage
6 years ago by Flack
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looking for a Mersey Ferry Model
Where could I purchase a
grp hull
for one of these ferries
6 years ago by davidhgreatbatch
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(Pleasure Craft) Juliette II
Scratch Built on a modified Deans Marine
grp hull
. Upper works built from wood. Juliette II is still available for hire on the Norfolk Broads (Motor: MFA RE 385) (ESC: Mtroniks Viper Marine 20) (7/10)
6 years ago by davidhgreatbatch
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(Other) MV Balmoral
Scratch built on a
grp hull
(Models By Design) can be fully iluminated and build as seen in 2013 (Motor: MFA RE 385 x 2) (ESC: Mtroniks Viper Marine 25) (8/10)
6 years ago by davidhgreatbatch
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(Other) PS Waverley
Scratch Built on a
grp hull
using a geared motor and plastic chain to drive two paddles. Took 5 years to build and she is 10 years old. She was built as seen in 1973 (Motor: MFA Torpedo 500 Motor and Gearbox) (ESC: Mtroniks Viper Marine 25) (8/10)
6 years ago by davidhgreatbatch
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(Other) TSS Manxman
Scratch built on a "Models By Design"
grp hull
. Has rotating radar and can be fully iluminated. (Motor: MFA RE 385 (4.5-15v) Motor) (ESC: Mtroniks Viper Marine 20) (8/10)
6 years ago by davidhgreatbatch
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(Tug Boat) Force full
Scratch built on
grp hull
(Motor: Torpedo) (ESC: Mtronicks) (5/10)
6 years ago by Boatboi
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Clyde Puffer
Hi Everyone. My next build is a Clyde Puffer in the guise of Auld Reekie/Vital Spark ! I am starting with a 1/24 Scale
grp hull
from Orion Mouldings. I am in need of a bit of forward planning assistance so if anyone has built from the same hull or very similar I would be grateful for some input as regards size of electric motor length of shaft and prop size and anything else that could be of help to me. This is only my second build so I am still, very much a rookie !!! Alan.
6 years ago by Ballast
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Sangsetia hull
Thanks Doug. I have a set of plans as I built a wooden model some years ago. it got destroyed in a move back from Spain. I am trying to obtain a
grp hull
now.
Rgds,
Jim
6 years ago by amar077
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Sea Queen refurbishment
It's amazing how many of us have the same types of model boats. I have 2 crash tenders (34" + 46") A fairey Huntsman 31 (34"), a swordfish 28", 50" Aerokits PT109, Veron RAF RTTL launch, 34" Perkasa
grp hull
. And working on an old Veron Thames Police launch. I wonder if it's an age thing, as I'm looking for a 46" Sea Commander to Γ§omplete my set. Watching with interest your decommissioning of the Sea Queen. Mind the chemicals please, as I don't want to hear of any of you lot in hospital. Best wishes all, Dave W π
7 years ago by rolfman2000
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Help required please.
Hmmm! The original is plastic, so why not try a GRP or vacuum moulded hull instead? π Plank on frame is a lot of work. What's more important the building or the sailing? The 'bait digging or the fishing!'!? π
7 years ago by RNinMunich
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Making plans for Nigel....
Hi all,
I wonder if any of you might know where I might get plans for Bloodhound, the Royal Yawl one. It's mainly sail plan and deck layout as I have this dirty great
grp hull
to work with.
Cheers,
Martin
7 years ago by Westquay
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Where do yachties go?
Having got very little on my particular interest off the 'Net and having threatened to remove my Classic Model Yacht Page from Facebook, I have to ask "where do yachties go?". I thought model sailing was more popular than it seems to be. I don't mean the boring and ugly Isle of Man boats (IoM), but the older, more beautiful classes or info on the older real classes of yachts for that matter.
I was amazed to have my suggestion of a sailing section on the "other" forum accepted, but it's not exactly busy, yet RC Groups, Stateside has not only a sailboats section, but a scale sailboats section!
I realise this is still essentially the old fire boat forum with extras, so am not suggesting a sailing section here, but.....
The Scale Sailing Association has died with one member! The model barge people no longer mention Norfolk Wherries as they used to, where
grp hull
makers still survive (just) they are ruinously expensive, the only section that seems to have any popularity is the appallingly ugly little "footie" things, which I would crush rather than operate! Or banana boats fer Krissakes.
Where are all the proper sailing fans? Of beautiful class boats or models of real sailing craft?
Martin
7 years ago by Westquay
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Where do yachties go?
Cor Bly, as my Nan would say. That's some selection and a Norfolk Wherry to boot. is that a
grp hull
, Dave? I'm just thinking it would be good to save myself some time and clinker is not something I enjoy much, especially with very thick planks that a wherry has and doing a model of Albion, the only carvel built wherry is somehow cheating! Could you ask that chap for me, please?
And then I see Boadicea, CK 145. Am I remembering my book correctly? The oldest sailing boat in existence if so.
I see you're Crewe. Again way too far away but I knew there was something nice about Crewe, apart from the London and North Western Railway!
Cheers,
Martin
7 years ago by Westquay
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Scale Sail Association
I should point out that if any of my mechanisms involved electrickery I drafted in a lovely guy called Rolf, who would know exactly what I needed and put it together with my mechanical bits. Wish he lived up the road now! I think the Germans always thought we Brits nuts, because they loved our humour, once it was explained to them. I used to have a gaggle of the more intelligent Germans around my desk because they loved my tapes of Flanders and Swann, once I'd explained it to them! I made a somewhat naughty comment about a secretary from upstairs and the German designer laughed so much I really thought he would have a heart attack. I have never seen anyone actually go purple! But he recovered and went upstairs to cook us all a wonderful Roast. I had a great time over there. Good model shops too where I was.
I can appreciate the presence of a capital ship, but I am so anti military that I could never make one, but if I did, it would be Hood, as I think she was actually beautiful. I was once offered a GRP Hood hull, 9 feet long for 45 quid but I lived in a bedsit at that time!
Cheers,
Martin
7 years ago by Westquay
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Looking for a particular person
Alas, he talks a lot about old motors, but doesn't use them as such. I want to use mine, at least to try them out before I give up and go all buggy motor. (I call all cylindrical Jap motors "Buggy motors"). it's easier than remembering all the fancy numbers. Buggy or drill motors. I have an electric screwdriver whose batteries are pretty much dead, so there's another motor to go with the minidrill motors I already have!
The way I see it is I used to use these old British motors years ago and they always worked, so why not now? I have them and I don't want them sitting on a shelf and I don't want to buy new Jap stuff or ESCs.
Failing that, the boats will go on the shelf as show queens and I'll go all wind powered. I have a Veron Veronica, a one-off Dorade
grp hull
of considerable age and a vintage Marblehead once owned by Sir Thomas Lipton. Oh and a partly built hull of a Victorian "Plank-on-edge" gaff cutter on which I used to live.
Sounds like I need to sort my stuff out!
Thanks for all the help. if anyone needs any help with things like mahogany speedboats, deck fittings, etc. please pick my brains.
Cheers,
Martin
7 years ago by Westquay
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KD Perkasa
Thank you for your compliments.
This is in fact my second Perkasa. I built the first one about 40 years ago (see photo), before the introduction of the
grp hull
. Losing interest in the hobby some years later, I sold the boat and have lived to regret it. (I was also the proud owner of a 37" Aerokits Crash Tender powered by a Frog 2.49cc diesel. That went the same way!)
The first boat was quite lively powered by a Merco 61 i/c engine.
No pictures of either I'm afraid.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Steve
7 years ago by cormorant
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Clyde Puffer
Coal fired Clyde Puffer project.
grp hull
with vertical boiler and oscillating engine both of which i made from scratch. Goes very nicely . pictures taken at ilfracombe boating pond. Les Breame
7 years ago by lesliebreame
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springer tug no 3
Well this is the 3rd version I have made of a springer tug.
grp hull
and this time using 2 mm plastic.
Balsa wood and again what ever I could find laying around.
The decking is just printed paper and stuck down with Varnish.
Just needs some ballast and it is ready to go.
7 years ago by none
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Number 2 attempt springer Tug
So this was attempt number two at a springer tug.. A little better than the very first one.
Again a home made
grp hull
and everything else Balsa wood and a few bits I could find about the house..
Well this one too has been scrapped and the hull reused.
Or set aside for another one at a later date.
So at this time is just a fitted out hull
7 years ago by none
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1st ever Spinger tug model
Well this was the very first model boat i made.
A springer tug.
I made a mould and then made a few just in case i was to the point of everything going wrong at least I could start another one.
Apart from the home made
grp hull
everything else was made in Balsa wood.
Since been scrapped but the hull and all the electrics ect have been reused again for another version..
7 years ago by none
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PS Waverley
Scratch Built on a
grp hull
10 years ago
7 years ago by davidhgreatbatch
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HMS Sussex
Scratch Built on a
grp hull
. Built her 20 years ago and sail her on Mary Stevens Park Pool, Stourbridge
7 years ago by davidhgreatbatch
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TSS Manxman
Scratch built on a
grp hull
. Built her in 2016 and sail her on Mary Stevens Park Pool, Stourbridge
7 years ago by davidhgreatbatch
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Thames Sailing Barge
Good Morning Gents,
.......and now for something completely different........
I enclose a picture of my model Thames Sailing Barge.
Model Barges are very popular at clubs in the Essex and Kent area, because of the many historic barges in Maldon and the surrounding rivers. The members of Maldon Blackwater Model Boat Club have built several barges, but there are many other barge owning clubs in the Essex and Kent area who meet to run interclub Barge Matches.
Most Model barges are built 40"-45" in length either 'stem head' or 'bowsprit' and usually they are fitted with a fin keel and a deep rudder, to give improved sailing abilities. Many are highly detailed models of specific barges; however the yellow barge is a 'generic' model with a 'Sirdar' hull built from balsa reinforced with grp. The model in build is based on a 'Veronica'
grp hull
and will be a bowsprit barge. These are the names of 'racing' barges, sadly broken up many years ago.
I hope you find our particular passion interesting.
Best Regards
Frank Burgess
7 years ago by frankburgess
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MV Balmoral;
Scratch built on a modified
grp hull
, finished building her at the start of this year, powered by two 385 electric motors. Sail her on Mary Stevens Park Pool Stourbridge
7 years ago by davidhgreatbatch
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PS Waverley
1/50 scale scratch built model on a
grp hull
. Powered by one electric geared motor and chain driven drive to paddles. Sail her on Mary Stevens Park Pool, Stourbridge.
Built her ten years ago over a period of 5 years
7 years ago by davidhgreatbatch
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Juliette II
Scratch built in 1/16 scale in 2016 on a modified
grp hull
. Powered by one 385 electric motor. Sail her on Mary Stevens Park Pool, Stourbridge.
Though built in the 1950's this boat is still in use on the Norfolk Broads and can be hired out.
7 years ago by davidhgreatbatch
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TSS Manxman
As I am retired she only took about 10 months to build and is based on a "Models By Design"
grp hull
. The rest of the model is scratch built. You can view her sea trials and more details on you tube.
7 years ago by davidhgreatbatch
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TSS Manxman
Isle Of Man Ferry TSS Manxman Scratch built in 1/87 scale in 2016 on a
grp hull
. Powered by two 385 electric motors. Sail her on Mary Stevens Park Pool, Stourbridge
7 years ago by davidhgreatbatch