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Sea Queen

Roger.com, I am not so sure about being less detail on a Broads Cruiser. I have a small 21ft fibre glass hulled boat in Potter Heigham on the Broads. But when you see the older wooden Broads Cruisers they have lots of detail especially the ones that get cared for as they should being wooden built. Some of them are so beautiful and well varnished polished brass, Chrome fittings and well groomed. if I could afford a wooden cruiser and be able to keep her in the fashion she should be kept then I would. But if I win the lottery then I will have one. Even the old wooden sailing yacht's are kept in wonderful condition and lots of detail brass etc.

5 years ago by BOATSHED

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Broads River Cruiser Yachts

Some pics of a couple of Broads sailing yacht classes I have constructed to precise detail externally, which were built on the Broads as holiday hire fleet craft in 1947 and to the present day. One is 1:8 large scale and the other 1:18 scale. The larger scale yacht required a suitable detachable keel bulb for radio control use.

5 years ago by NorfolkBroads

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Search light

It's a great shame that Maplins have gone, they were once a good source of electronic components but in later years turned into more of a 'toy shop' than an electronic hobbyists shop. The high power LED is nevertheless available from Hobbyking but the lense will prove more difficult to source now. Midas Components in used to be an importer of the 'HJ-HPH2' lens and I also found this after a quick Google: https://www.tme.eu/gb/details/hj-hph2/lens/huey-jann-electronic/hph2/ The 'Peter Jones' mentioned could be the chap from the Dragons Den programme? I'm very flattered by Doug's epithet 'King of Crash Tenders' but it is undeserved and should be attributed to the likes of Paul Devlin (pmdevlin) and the late Peter Henshaw (HS93) both from whom I took great inspiration, (and stole lots of ideas from 😜). It is nevertheless very pleasing the the Crash Tenders still appeal to modellers who want to make them and detail them as much as Mike Turpin here.

6 years ago by robbob

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Kingsmere Model Boat Club

I do know there is a large pond in Norwich in Eaton Park and you can run any type of boat on that pond. if I ever win the lottery big time then I will buy somewhere in with a couple of acres of land and have an enormous lake built so I can play boats when ever I want. Also have a small boat moored so when it runs out of fuel or for any other reason cuts out then I could recover it easily.

6 years ago by BOATSHED

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Wherry

Very nice indeed, it looks like 'Albion",which I had the pleasure of looking around at Oulton Broad; it's an excellent model. I also bought a set of plans from the preservation society so it seems we'll have the makings of a fleet soon!

6 years ago by thelegos

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Range Safety Launch?

Evening Colin, Yes I'd seen that you served on these boats from your posts about your own fine model👍 Bet you have a few tales to tell😉 Yep, tempus fugit indeed😲 Around the time of your Abingdon visit I was just leaving RAF Marham, , to go to Tech College in Twickenham. All the best Doug 😎

6 years ago by RNinMunich

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Wavemaster

Andy, SLEC in Watton, do two different kits of the Wavemaster, so may be prepared to sell you plans. Martin

6 years ago by Westquay

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Wherry Fans

Apparently a very effective rig. Martin

6 years ago by Westquay

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Wherry Fans

Just a note for Wherry fans that "Model Boats" Magazine (UK) will be featuring the boats in its September 2018 edition.

6 years ago by CB90

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Wherry Fans

My Albion was scratch built by my friend - Brian. He also built the Chinese Junk some of you will have seen posted on this site before. A very talented and lovely man. Picture again postedfor you to see. Enjoy.

6 years ago by Baggie

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Wherry Fans

I have often admired Thames Barges in Maldon and on the East coast rivers, but find their complexity off-putting, fine , majestic things though they are. But for me the simplicity of a /Suffolk wherry is very attractive and there are few books so much worth curling up with on a rainy November day as Black Sailed Traders by Roy Clark. OK, I can think of several, but you know what I mean. I am a very fussy sod and if I don't like how it looks, I can't get near it. To my eye, most foreign stuff is so much uglier than British, be they trains, cars, bikes, aircraft or boats. But then where would we be without Canadian woodies? Or the very occasional italian car Martin

6 years ago by Westquay

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Wherry Fans

Each to their own, Westquay. I've nothing against wherries, ideally suited for the waters they worked. I'm a Thames Barge lover myself but can appreciate any traditional working craft.

6 years ago by Nerys

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Wherry Fans

Thanks for the detailed info, Nerys. Personally I still find them ugly and that won't have been helped by the unpleasant time I spent working in Holland, which I hated. Martin

6 years ago by Westquay

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Wherry Fans

There seems to be some misconceptions about Dutch Barges. Most of what we now refer to as Dutch barges were originally developed as fishing boats suited to the area in which they were working. There were many different types and far from just being used on the canals fished all waters of the Netherlands and were quite capable of taking on the sharp nasty seas of places like Hollandsche Diep and the Ooste Schelde. I can assure you, even the Ijselmeer can get choppy under the right conditions. in fact Dutch Schuyts brought cargoes of eels to London from about the 1600s and a berth was still kept for them until the early 20th century, They were typical of what we would now call a Dutch barge. There were quite small ones like the Schouw and the Grundel that were inshore and lake fishers, then they varied in size through the Botters, Hoogars and Lemeraaks to the Tjalk and the Klipper which were cargo carriers. The Klippers were roughly the same size as Thames Barges and sometimes bigger and were rigged as Gaff Ketches, similar to our West Country Ketches. They were mainly fairly heavily built well in keeping with traditional wooden working boats. in latter days, steel replaced wood but they still followed the traditional designs. Luckily, so many Dutch Barges are still being built as yachts, decorated and fitted out very traditionally and there is considerable interest in the many events held for them every year.

6 years ago by Nerys

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Wherry Fans

If it's a Dutch barge, finish it as one. I reckon the large handkerchief idea would do, Or piece of shirting fabric. You can glue the edges to look like seams. Glue a piece of thin rigging cord in as a bolt rope. Martin

6 years ago by Westquay

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Wherry Fans

Thanks for the heads up.I agree re the Wherry sails being heavy and their being "prettier" And yes they were enclosed. The Dutchies were much lighter with lighter sailcloth as they were on canals and didn't have to contend with the rigours of the sea.Also their journeys were short between pick up and drop off points. Much like a lot of our canal boats. Often carrying domestic supplies so their cargo needed to be "Get attable" frequently hence the tarpaulins instead of Hatch covers. With my barge being just ten inches and made of balsa a heavy cloth would capsize her. Their is little draught just side/draught/lee boards instead of a keel to keep them from being pushed side ways by the wind. I suppose I could just finish it as static but where's the fun in that? LOL Regards John O/T👍

6 years ago by onetenor

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Wherry Fans

Banished to the opposite end, Baggy? That's a nice model. is it a scratchbuilt hull or a GRP one? Martin

6 years ago by Westquay

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Wherry Fans

Good to see The Albion in a beautiful setting at Eaton Park, Norwich. Here’s a couple of pictures of my Albion yesterday.

6 years ago by Baggie

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Wherry Fans

Onetenor, wherries never had open holds. They were always covered with interlocking hard hatch covers which were piled up at one end when the cargo was loaded. The sails were huge, heavy, highly dressed things, so you really don't want anything too light. They were a heavy canvas dressed in fish oil and soot or were tarred, like the hulls. And really the boats were nothing like Dutch barges. They were much prettier! Martin

6 years ago by Westquay

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Wherry Fans

Still a bit on the heavy side. Fine silk "might" do but I might end up making loads of suits with Esaki tissue. There used to be a type of processed tissue with a slight gloss on it and a clothlike feel to it.Anyone know what it's called or where I can get it.The Barge is ten and a half inches long, not 8,with an open well deck. I could fit mini RC and a motor etc but it would be exposed. I could I expect cover it with a tarp as though it was carrying cargo. Some of you might suggest it's too small to bother with but it's like the peanut scale in the aircraft world. OR👍👍 A novelty TOY. Cheers all.

6 years ago by onetenor

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Wherry Fans

What about a good quality linen handkerchief, dyed the correct colour of course.

6 years ago by ChrisG

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Wherry Fans

They put me in mind of Dutch Sailing barges. One of which I have an 8 inch working model of👍. At least supposedly but I can't find a suitable sail cloth that's not too heavy. Any ideas fellas?👍

6 years ago by onetenor

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Wherry Fans

Thank you for the info, I look forward to reading the article. I have recently spent a couple of weeks in Wherry land but was unable to see Albion as she seems always to be out on charter which must be a good thing for the fund. They are most interesting craft. Chris

6 years ago by ChrisG

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Wherry Fans

Thanks, will look out for it. Martin

6 years ago by Westquay

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Wherry

Stunning model, I'm looking forward to getting around to building mine.

6 years ago by kmbcsecretary

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Wherry

Some pictures of my Dad's Wherry seen here at Eton Park, Norwich. it will be featured in September 2018 "Model Boats" magazine along with his mates Wherry. It is about 4ft long note my 3ft 72nd scale Corvette looks small next to it.

6 years ago by CB90

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Model Wherry hulls

Hi, 2 questions. does anyone know of a GRP hull moulding of a Wherry, preferably in a decent scale like 1/16th or 1/24th? Yes, I have Black Sailed Traders, Wherries and Waterways and the cardback on Albion, but I am too old to bother with making stuff like hulls. I'd rather buy a decent hull and make the rest on top. Also, I live in the Cambridgeshire/ Fens. Is there anyone in the Wisbech/March/ Downham Market area who wants to meet up with like souls and sail for absolutely FREE on any of the huge number of accessible waters we have round here, the Well Creek being one of them. Ah, three questions....third? Does anyone know if the Scale Sailing Association still exists? I have googled all manner of things and got nowhere. I am not interested in what I call Isle of Man yachts or other modern things with film glued on the decks and sails made of anything other than cotton. I do have a Marblehead, but it's a beautiful vintage one, once owned by Sir Thomas Lipton. Cheers, Martin

7 years ago by Westquay

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Sheringham,

From what I can see, Andy, there's no actual club. Not listed here at least. I guess it's a public pond. Use it, enjoy it. And you don't have to bend! Martin

6 years ago by Westquay

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Sheringham,

I know that Sheringham has a model boat pond, but when do people meet ? Is there a local club?

6 years ago by AndyG009

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Warped wood

As my Father-in-Law would have said about that Sea Scout, "Bugger tha's a rumun" in his best . he was a woodworker for a hobby, too. I didn't realise your bridge was a "chip" of sorts. I will definitely have to ask for help on that. Once I've made one, I'll be OK. is that Veroboard, as we used to call it? Cheers, Martin

6 years ago by Westquay

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Wherry hull in GRP

Hi mastman, I saw your comment that you wrote, I have copied and pasted it below. ******************************************** Your right about the madhouse cant see how people can run things down on here without seeing the actual goods any way thats another matter. ********************************************* I did write about the shape of the wherry hull was wrong. I am not into sailing boats, am more into MTB's and I power boat hulls. I know I hadn't seen the actual hull in the flesh so to speak. All I saw was the picture that had been posted for the Wherry hull that was for sale. I had just come home from and just seen a Wherry moored in Potter Heigham. I commented that the shape was wrong because of the way the bow of the hull swept up so high. I have posted the picture I saw from which I commented on. I am sorry if I did offend you but it was just that I din't see the shape as being correct. Once again I am sorry to have offended you. I also said about other parts being made on a 3D printer. Onc e again I did think that resin ones I have seen on ebay were of a better finish quality than the 3D printed ones. it seems that I have put a cat amongst the pigeons with my remarks. I am sorry to have offended you. Regards BOATSHED.

6 years ago by BOATSHED

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Wherry hull in GRP

I am truly sorry if I have thrown a spanner in the works. I saw the picture and was surprised on the height the bow went. I do spend a lot of time up on the Broads. The Avatar I have is my boat that I have moored in Hebert Woods Boat yard in Potter Heigham. I have seen the Wherries on the river many times and just had to point the error out. Once again I'm sorry to have ruined your dream of getting the correct model.

6 years ago by BOATSHED

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Wherry hull in GRP

My Father made a Wherry see attached pictures. There is a lot of research required for an accurate model, note the sail winch has to swing out of the way for the mast to fold down, the real mast is counter balanced so it can be raised and lowered. Also note a Wherry is never painted green! The keel and weight distribution can help the forward mast position and a tendency for the bow to be low in the water on models. My Dad also made a large scale version which was displayed outside of the Wherry Museum

6 years ago by CB90

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Wherry hull in GRP

Have you got any single pictures of the model of your Wherry. I have seen them up on the Broads, and the pictures you have posted seem to over accentuated the bow on the boat. I'm not being picky but I haven't seen one with a bow that slopes up that much. I have posted a couple of pictures and they don't seem to be that prominent.

6 years ago by BOATSHED

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Wherry hull in GRP

Just learned of another book about Wherries...The Wherry : its construction, evolution and history Hardcover – 1953. By G Colman Green. BUT, ebay has one at 60 quid! And none on abebooks or amazon. Damn. Where are all these internet scanned books when you need 'em? Deep in the mysterious cloud, I suppose. Hmph, back to me chisels. Martin

6 years ago by Westquay

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Wherry hull in GRP

I came home from Potter Heigham in this morning and one of the last 2 original black sailed Wherries was moored up there for visitors to go aboard and be shown round it and be told it's history.

6 years ago by BOATSHED

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Wherry hull in GRP

I didn't have any look finding one Martin was going to build one myself at 1/12 . I managed to find some interesting reading on these boats and I'm waiting for a book to arrive from the wherry museum. I purchased copy's of model boats mags January 1985 which has the build article of the wherry and October 1985 which has a article on upgrades and advice on the original build. I found the book "wherries and waterways" by Robert malster a interesting read. Ron

6 years ago by kmbcsecretary

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Sails for Vanity

ChrisG, I can't claim originality for the idea of Egyptian cotton sheets. I wish I could, but it came from "another place". mind you, I was bomblin' round a boot fair yesterday and there were several nice sheets which would have made good sails if they hadn't been a pale pink! a quid for a double sheet, all laundered and looking just so seems like something to seek out in an off white as Vanity was a leisure craft. A model of a Wherry is next and that will need a sail as black as yer 'at. But my wife assures me you can get black cotton sheets now, so I'm sorted for that. Saves me getting the soot and fish oil out Cheers, Martin

6 years ago by Westquay

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It's a sad day!.

Hi Westquay i spend quite a bit of time up in and I have a boat up there. it's the one in my avatar. I do take my Probaot Miss Geico. I haven't even thought about taking one of the IC boats up there. I did run one down the river following it in my boat. Run it for about 3 miles. My boat is in a boat yard that has quite a large area. Once I get another IC boat sorted I might just do that. I think my PT 109 might be the first candidate once I have treated her to a new flexi shaft. That's the one I damaged just before the Park Ranger turned up.

6 years ago by BOATSHED

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wherry plans wanted

I have since found out that there was an article in a back issue of model boats magazine does anyone know what issue it was please Thanks in advance

6 years ago by kmbcsecretary

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wherry plans wanted

Does anyone have the plans from model boats magazine that they no longer need cash waiting Checking before I order the plans online

6 years ago by kmbcsecretary

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Thames Barge & Wherry Open Regatta.

Hope your Dad can bring his wherry along for the event. We had a good chat together at the broads museum. Will be very interested to see him at the event with the new wherry.

6 years ago by Gascoigne

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Thames Barge & Wherry Open Regatta.

From 9am - 4pm. Free parking alongside the boating pond. Access through manned gate. Join us with your barge or wherry.

6 years ago by Gascoigne

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Thames Barge & Wherry Open Regatta.

Hi, I have just phoned my Dad about this event as he lives in Norwich. and has completed his model Wherry about a year ago. His Large Wherry Model is on the outside wall of the 'The Museum of The Broads' boat shed.

6 years ago by CB90

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Thames Barge & Wherry Open Regatta.

Will be on holiday - I am sorry to miss this. I would encourage anyone to go to this event though - it is a great boating pond and very friendly people.

6 years ago by Baggie

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Agenora

A scratch built model of a working wherry the skipper/owner was the great grandfather of a near neighbour. Used to work the rivers Wensum and Yare here in . Model hull clinker built. in balsa with resin inside and out. Sails really well with a detachable keel. One of four model wherries built.

6 years ago by Gascoigne

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Too Powerful Brushless ?

I always use as smaller rudder as I can get away with. I had been running model boats for many years then one day when on Blackheath pond someone was watching my boat and remarked on how it turned. badly, and I replied that's how it had always turned. The guy had a boat the same as mine it was a MFA Spearfish, He asked if he could swap rudders on my boat and try his on my boat so that's what I done and it performed much better on the water. I then tried it on my Vosper RAF Crash Tender and it just stuck to the water on any turn tight or wide. So I have done this ever since. On my Huntsman I had turned it over several times before trying this so I done the same on this and once again it was a lot better turning and didn't turn over. I don't like using large rudders if I cannot get one small enough for what I wan't I will get one and then cut it down. We used to race 5 or 6 boats on the water at a time and always needed to turn tight turns to get round the pond. Even watching Power Boat racing on the telly in the past they make tight turns to get round. I have a Probaot Miss Geico tunnel hull and straight from the box brand new the rudder on that has no leading edge and I can turn that flat out on the water with no roll at all. I suppose I am a speed freak and it has worked fine for me. Even if it is the wrong thing to do. The small avatar picture on my posts is a boat I have in . This has a 1960 Volvo Penta outdrive probably one of the earliest one's made and that doesn't like to turn on 3/4 throttle without the engine revs dropping and digging in on a turn. I have tried this when out on open water up there. Don't try it now as got a warning from the River Constabulary. Don't want to loose my river licence.

6 years ago by BOATSHED

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(Pleasure Craft) Juliette II

Scratch Built on a modified Deans Marine GRP hull. Upper works built from wood. Juliette II is still available for hire on the Broads (Motor: MFA RE 385) (ESC: Mtroniks Viper Marine 20) (7/10)

6 years ago by davidhgreatbatch

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HERO

Scratch-built semi-scale from images of a unique vessel used for tug and recovery work on the Broads. Was originally steam powered with a fire pump engine,now using diesel. Funnel is hinged to go under low bridges!

6 years ago by Gascoigne

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(Tug Boat) HERO

Scratch built scale from original recovery/tug. Used by a broads boat hire firm. This was originally steam powered,now diesel. Unique in the tug world. (Motor: Speed 600) (8/10)

6 years ago by Gascoigne