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    1/16th scale Fire Boat decals
    Hi all, got my Crash Tender bottom sprayed red today, so I'm nearing when I'll need the hull decals for FIRE,
    roundel
    s and numbers. Anyone know where they can be had from? Also what does that stuff on the bow say/look like. I can hand paint that if necessary. Cheers, Martin
    6 years ago by Westquay
    Forum
    Crash Tender davit info...
    I have done some more digging and I hope this confirms the colour scheme for the boat. please see the reply I received from:- Donald Smith RAF MARINE CRAFT HiSTORIAN Hello, Colour scheme for the above boat is as follows. Black topsides, red oxide anti-fouled bottom separated by a 2in white waterline. All decks dark grey anti-slip deck paint, cabin sides light grey, cabin roofs white anti-slip deck paint. Mast-white, monitors red, crash ladder and davit silver/aluminium. An RAF
    roundel
    is centred 5ft 4in back from stem and 2ft 1.5in above mean waterline. The centre red disc 4in Dia., middle white circle 8in Dia., and the outer blue circle 12in Dia. The bottom of the white bow numbers should be 2ft 7in above mean waterline. They are 9in high by 6in wide with a 1.5in stroke width and a 2in separation between each number. The forward end of numbers 3 or 4 on the starboard side is 12in back from the outside of the
    roundel
    (Port side similar). The main FIRE letters are 2ft 6in high by 2ft wide with a stroke width of 6in and a separation of 6in between letters. The base of the letters is 7.5in above mean waterline. Transom numbers are 10in high by 8in wide and a stroke width of 1.5in and a separation on 2in. Base of numbers to be 1ft 5in above mean waterline. Draft marks are 3in high with a 0.5in stroke. I hope this meets with your requirements. Yours faithfully Donald Smith RAF MARINE CRAFT HiSTORIAN.
    6 years ago by mturpin013
    Blog
    Painting starts-radio gear in!
    This day has seen the midnight blue airbrushed on followed by a thin coat of lacquer to give the
    roundel
    and trimline a good surface to stick too. Numbers to go on when they arrive from eBay. Having given the inside of the hull 2 coats of resin to waterproof it, I’ve now installed all The electronics, just the rudder pushrod to make and add. Next few days will see little progress as starting nights tonight!
    6 years ago by Skydive130
    Forum
    Denatured Alcohol
    Aye there's the rub Doug.Wilmot and Mansour kept the exact fuel formula secret I believe . However it should be easy to find it with modern science techniques. But after the initial rush of nostalgia purchases from the likes of us would there be a market for them.I did the all sheet Hunter and painted it grey and put
    roundel
    s and letter transfers on it. Did fly but had a glide like a landing swan.A semi controlled crash would be a good description of it. Which one did you put on 2 Mtr span gliders.100/ Scorpion I know one thing Doug .You and I should never meet 'cause we would spend all out time nattering. I thinkπŸ˜πŸ‘ Regards John .P.S. Can you get ether there from where you can get the meths ?
    7 years ago by onetenor
    Blog
    The Hull Markings
    The paint on the hull has sufficiently hardened and needs a couple of coats of clear lacquer to protect it but before that happens I need to apply the hull markings. The waterslide decal set that was supplied with my kit was probably at least 5 years old when I bought the kit on eBay and they had deteriorated so badly that when I put the large β€˜FIRE’ lettering panel in some warm water it fragmented and clearly was not usable. I called Mike Cummings at vintage Model works and explained my dilemma and he very generously agreed to supply me with a replacement set, and in addition a set of the recently available printed vinyl letters and markings that they now produce. I decided to use the vinyl set as a quick test piece with the waterslide set revealed that the white ink is not solid and therefore not completely opaque. Furthermore I could not eliminate the β€˜silvering’ effect that happens on waterslide decals despite using various lotions and potions such as Humbrol Decalfix and Microsol/Microset solutions. A test piece with the vinyl lettering sheet was far more successful and when over-lacquered on the test piece the results were very acceptable. Starting with the large FIRE lettering I cut a paper template the same size as the complete word and fixed this with low tack masking tape on the hull, this paper was then outlined in more masking tape to form a window and the vertical spacing of the letters transferred to this to keep the correct spacing. Vertical strips of tape were then used as positioning guides for the letters which were individually cut and placed so that I could eliminate all but the solid white letters and give them a hard edge. Feeling very pleased with myself I removed the masking tape guides and realised to my horror that I had set the baseline of the letters far too close to the waterline and the vertical proportions were completely wrong ….disaster 😱 Feeling ashamed that I could make such a basic error I abandoned the lettering and called Mike at VMW and described my foolish error, no problem he said, I’ll send you another vinyl sheet and also some additional drawing that were missing from my kit that would help with detail finishing. My second attempt with the new vinyl sheet employed the same process but I was careful to measure, mark and check the positions (several times!) before starting. The
    roundel
    and numerals positions at the bow and the stern were carefully measured and marked using the supplied drawings and masking tape β€˜guides’ used to fix their positions before application. Lastly the roman numerals that span the waterline at the bow and stern were marked, cut and individually applied. I also took the opportunity to fix in place a couple of modified 6mm portholes to replicate the aft cockpit drain outlets, in the photo is the β€˜94’ waterslide decal which I later removed and replaced with vinyl when I could not eliminate the β€˜silvering’ problem. A big Thank You to Mike Cummings at Vintage Model works for replacing the lettering sheets TWICE! and for the extra drawings, I call that exceptional after sales service !. Cheers Mike πŸ‘πŸ‘ .
    7 years ago by robbob
    Forum
    the real 93 and 94 Fireboat together
    great video, I could watch it over and over, for the eagle eyed amongst us, notice no RAF
    roundel
    on the pennant, as it was still in trials, hence crew not in an RAF uniform, they where probably Vosper employees. Also the pennant flying under the ensign was blue/white signifying vessel may deviate from true course being under test. All of the pictures etc bouncing around are pre RAF handover, if you look real close the clues are there!😎 I'm watching these over, I have a plan for an engine sound unit coming along, just got to finish an rc plane project that Stephen has helped with, that's for another discussion!
    7 years ago by pmdevlin
    Response
    The Mast - part 2.
    Right Rob, I'm insisting you do this! You are really doing a very accurate model, as I did, so here is the story about the ensign. All the pictures that are available are pre handover to RAF. All the permanent RAF roundals etc where painted as part of the prep, but the ensign did not have the
    roundel
    until after handover to RAF, then there are no pictures available, for obvious reasons. Mike, at scale flags, made me an ensign with the Vosper logo on it, he knew someone, who knew someone, and so on, that served on one of the boats, and Vosper flew the logo until handover, along with a blue/white flag that at the time meant "boat under testing might deviate from a true course" or something like that. A few years ago, I rang Vosper, and eventually spoke to someone who confirmed all this. So, if you speak to Mike, I know he will do another, we talked about it at the Blackpool show, and he showed me one he had made for himself. Apparently, nobody else has ordered one, as all go for the ensign with the
    roundel
    , so now you have a decision to make. Also, they are silk, and flow/hang real nice once shaped, unlike the cardboard looking "other" brand 😁
    7 years ago by pmdevlin
    Blog
    Info for Vosper Crash Tenders and Air ea Resue
    Some Information for all those "Fire Boat" guys. For the superstructure colour which can be described as RAF Barley grey (don't quote me on that, could be something else) I have used a variety of paints In the past. The best I came up with Involved using Dulux house hold paint and mixing It to match the colour but the nearest match In the modelling world would be Tamiya XF-19 Sky Grey, the second nearest Is Humbrol 64. You may require a semI gloss varnish to get an closer match. There were only two Vosper crash tenders ever built were numbered 93 and 94, and these numbers were painted white. One final note which I have noticed with other RAF vessels In model form, the
    roundel
    on the bow of a crash tender should not have the yellow outer ring, the yellow ring signifies an air sea rescue boat In the RAF air sea rescue service not a marine craft section boat to which the crash tenders belong to. Hope this helps. The two boats In the class 93 & 94 of the 46ft Crash & Rescue tenders were constructed by Vosper Ltd of Portsmouth In1952 for the R.A.F. The hulls were of double skin mahogany on birch plywood framing. Powers was from two Rover Metorite engines of 375 hp each, This was a 8 cylinders V type engine of 18 litres Drive was to 2 X 3 blade props (both rotating the same way) Giving a top speed of 28 knots Fire fighting was from two 3.5' fire monitors that could spray water of foam. The power for the pumps was from a Ford V8 engine to give 5-600 g.p.m. This pump was also be used as a salvage pump. For rescue work she was fitted with a spring tow hook, line throwing equipment and rockets, stretchers and a portable davit. The two craft were taken Into service In 1952-53 at Calshot. They spent many year as experimental craft for It Is alleged that they were designed to complement the SARO princess flying boats that spent many years at Calshot. The craft were reported to have startling acceleration and could stop In there own length once the automatic 7 sec time delay came Into effect on the reverse gear. They had a turning circle of three boat lengths at 28,5 knots. Both boats were sold from service In 1958. The two boats In the class 93 & 94 of the 46ft Crash & Rescue tenders were constructed by Vosper Ltd of Portsmouth In1952 for the R.A.F. The hulls were of double skin mahogany on birch plywood framing. Powers was from two Rover Metorite engines of 375 hp each, This was a 8 cylinders V type engine of 18 litres Drive was to 2 X 3 blade props (both rotating the same way) Giving a top speed of 28 knots Fire fighting was from two 3.5' fire monitors that could spray water of foam. The power for the pumps was from a Ford V8 engine to give 5-600 g.p.m. This pump was also be used as a salvage pump. For rescue work she was fitted with a spring tow hook, line throwing equipment and rockets, stretchers and a portable davit. Both boats were sold from service In 1958.
    10 years ago by MAXTON
    Response
    Aerokits 46'' Fireboat twin screw brushless conversion
    If this was undergoing trials the civvies would have been Vosper staff giving support. it's possible that a service person was captain so the appropriate ensign would be displayed. I agree the
    roundel
    would not be shown on the ensign until the vessel was commissioned, so perhaps the RAF had a plain ensign during trials.
    10 years ago by Dave M
    Media
    RAF Crash Tender
    HI to all you Fire Boaters, I have decided to finally bring my Fireboat out of the closet and up for inspection. This is the first of my many boats I am showing, I will probably show others in the future. I started to build her back in 2006 after being off work and having a shoulder operation. She was not going to be a R/C boat, just a bit of something to do whilst on recovery. I have a 34" still in the box unmade, purchased back in 1994 from Aerokits. I drew round all the parts and then shrunk them on my scanner. She is 27" long I think that's just fraction over 1/20th scale . She is almost all balsa except the 2 under skins that are balsa laminated with 1/64th ply. The hand rails are 1/4" balsa blocks I cut from a strip and the rail is ally tubing. The mast is made from plastic strip from packets from the model shop. When I returned to work she was put into the shed and left unfinished. I stumbled across the Fireboat website and registered in 2009 when I was off work once again. This then made me think more about working on her again and I decide to turn her into an R/C model. So out she came and I fitted an Electomax Delta 480bb motor and a M3sonik esc. I also purchased a couple of Robbe fire monitors, put them together shortening the nozzles and cutting the bottom of the base of to try to look a bit moreto scale. I know they are not the correct type but if I want to go down the road of getting them working then these ones will. Then off I went to Wilkinson's and bought some paint. Then set out to paint her, as I brushed on the paint it seemed to be drying almost as quick as I was painting her. Dragging the paint I had just put on with next brush stroke. What a TOTAL DISASTER !!. I gave up on her and back into the shed she went. 2010 arrived I started again rubbed the paint down a bit and bought some Tamiya spray acrylic and started spraying, underside red, it seemed look all right. I used a nice new roll of low tack masking tape, taped up the underside and the decking and sprayed on the black on the sides. I thought that look all right. Took off the masking tape, which also took off the red paint and the dope from the decks. Another DISASTER. Back in the shed she went once again. A couple of months went by and I was up in Norfolk on my own boat and watching the workers in the boatyard, ideas came to me and when we returned home, out she came and I repainted the sides and then with red oxide paint I painted her undersides to make it look like antI foul paint. I used some white stripe to cover the join of the two different paint colours. I had bought some
    roundel
    s in Anglia Model Shop in Gorleston and some lettering in a shop in Norwich and after painting put these on. Not looking fantastic but passable I was a little happier with her, but still not satisfied, back in the shed she went again. Now after so much nagging from my brother out she has come, I've started again. He talked me into changing and trying a brushless motor and a smaller esc he had in his tool box from his helicopter he was shelving as its rota head was damaged beyond repair. I have now fitted them and if they work I will change the esc to a forward/ reverse esc in the future at some point. Sea trials are still away off more than likely in the spring, because the decking has yet to be painted. That will be the next job. I think that's all for now, as I have probably bored you all to tears. I hope update as I progress further. Just to let you know I'm Tom (alias BOATSHED).
    12 years ago by BOATSHED
    Response
    Deans Marine Seaplane Tender
    HI Mike My boat was painted in Light grey acrylic undercoat for the Topsides excluding the Mast which was left as bare wood and the engine covers which were painted matt dark navy, The hull above the waterline was acrylic matt black, with pillar box red below separated by a thin white stripe, all then sprayed with acrylic clear satin after the application of the numbers and RAF
    roundel
    s ( which in my case were the type with the thin yellow surround. ) These are the colours I remember from seeing the Seaplane tenders at Lyme Regis ( where both 441 & 1515 were based ) as a child in the 1950's. I believe some ST's were left with the deck just as varnised wood, and some I belive had their cabin roofs painted white. Some also appear to have been painted all white when used in South East Asia. I have a couple of postcard photo's showing these British Power Boat ST's ( nos: 366 & 655 at Lyme Regis in the 50's,where the hull is shown black, but the superstructure including the mast are painted either white or very pale grey. I also have the Deans Marine suggested painting guide which came with the 441 kit showing all the Humbrol paint codes for the boat circa 1944. If you would like copies of the P/card photo's & the painting code list please PM me with your e-mail and I'll send them. Hope this helps. Chris
    14 years ago by chrislang
    Forum
    Fireboat Decals
    You can get the full set of him in one go numbers
    roundel
    s depth etc and they are a nice set. Peter http://www.modellettering.com/catProducts.asp?categorycode=09
    15 years ago by Peter HS93


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