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U49 Mclaren Clockwork Submarines.
Any chance of clockwork
torpedoes
as well, no seriously I think your modelling skills are some of the best I have ever seen. We're you ever a tinsmith, keep up the good work.
Cheers Colin.
5 years ago by Colin H
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HMS BRAVE BORDERER
Winter seems to encourage modeling, have spent many hours in hibernation working on the deck and superstructure details.
A supplier offers a full set of Perkasa fittings, most of which would work on the Brave B. At one point considered buying a set. They are made in both resin and cast metal. Eventually parsimony prevailed, so only purchased a small number of hatch covers and other intricate shapes that would be difficult to make well. The items duly arrived and the quality is good. Was surprised by the weight though, so am pleased had embarked on making the other items from the usual materials. There should be an overall weight saving, along with a reduction in my surplus styrene and wood stock.
One of the design tenants of the Brave class was flexibility. The vessel could operate as a MTB, MGB or Raider, or with a mixture of these capabilities. The weapon mountings were designed to allow armaments to be installed and moved around to suite the requirements of the role.
Have reviewed many Brave class photographs trying to establish a โstandardโ armament configuration, to reproduce. Not only does the configuration define the weapons installed, it also establishes the ammunition and flare storage cabinet arrangements. Eventually decided upon the 2 x 40mm Bofors gun arrangement with 2 x 21โ
torpedoes
and 4 x extended range fuel tanks.
The model is now essentially complete. No doubt as I keep examining it will add further small details and refinements.
Only disappointment so far is that it does not achieve the original weight target of 6 lbs, it is 9.5 lbs. The 6 lbs may possibly have achievable using one screw and motor etc., but once three are installed, not likely.
The real test is when finally back on the water. Will close this blog then with a concluding report.
5 years ago by Rowen
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Aerokits MTB, what is it?...
BTW Martin; just looked at the video link you posted.
That boat looks underpowered to me, or too much weight forward?
Bow hardly comes outta the wet stuff, my little Sea Scout performs better than that ๐
Also seems to need the spray rails fitting.
With all that splash the crew would have had a lotta fun arming the
torpedoes
๐ค๐ฒ
PS; I'm about to test run the first Taycol conversion board I made for you on my Taycol Target. More soon ๐
6 years ago by RNinMunich
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Aerokits MTB, what is it?...
Agreed John, but generally the USN used the term PTB, Patrol Torpedo Boat, and most other (allied?) navies used the term MTB Motor Torpedo Boat.
RN of course also had pure MLs and MGBs, Motor Gun Boats - some of which I believe also carried
torpedoes
, just to confuse the issue further?, but I never ran across an MPT up to now.๐ฒ
Nowadays it's just FAC or FPB for the little bruvvers without missiles!
Cheers, Doug ๐
PS Yep, I know the Wiki page you linked. That's the Power Boats demonstrator sent to the US from which the ELCO PTB boats were derived.
6 years ago by RNinMunich
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Progress
They were wooden spars Norm, but removed a few years later when net cutting
torpedoes
rendered the nets useless, and just a time consuming encumbrance. Depends what you want to build: As built or As in Service.
So far so good ๐ Cheers Doug ๐
6 years ago by RNinMunich
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Higgins PT Boat
Not me, never heard of 'em til now, but here are the specs and a pic๐
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huckins_Yacht_Corporation
Happy Huckin', Doug ๐
Technical Specifications
Lindsay Lord, a commander in the United States Navy who was stationed in Hawaii during the war, examines wartime PT boat design in his "Naval Architecture of Planing Hulls" and records the Navy's planing hull research and findings. This is the most complete source of information on PT boat hull design and construction, and provides hull test data as well as detailed analysis and comparisons of the various PT boat designs.
U.S. Navy Technical Specifications of the Huckins PT Boat (Patrol Torpedo) Motorized Torpedo Fast Boat:
Crew: 11
Length: 78 ft (23.77 m) Beam: 19.6 ft (5.97 m) Draught: 5 ft (1.52 m) Displacement: 42 tons
Machinery: 3 x Packard 12-cylinder gasoline engines delivering 1,350 horsepower each to 3 x shafts.
Surface Speed: 40 kts (46 mph) Range: 0 miles (0 km)
Armament: 4 x 21-inch (533mm) torpedo tubes for 4 x Mark 8/13
torpedoes
, launchers arranged as inline pairs along port and starboard sides. 1 x 37mm OR BOFORS 40mm Dual-Purpose cannon fitted on forecastle. 1 x 20mm Oerlikon anti-aircraft cannon at stern 4 x 0.50 caliber (12.7mm) anti-aircraft, air-cooled heavy machine guns in dual mounts (2x2), one emplacement amidships and one forward, offset to starboard.
Optional 0.30 caliber machine guns, mortar launchers, rocket projectors and additional 20mm cannons (and captured 23mm anti-tank guns) as required/available.
Ship Class: PT 95 Number-in-Class: 18 Ships-in-Class: PT 95-102; PT 255-264
Initial Year of Service: 1942[23]
6 years ago by RNinMunich
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Aerokits Patrol Torpedo Boat
Hi Biggles.
I am at a very similar level to you. I am seeking help from the kind members so that I can improve my skills. I built this boat in 1993, which by the way, I had no idea about until I removed one of the life rafts to find I had painted the completion date on the bottom. I am currently stripping the paint and trying to get advice on the painting method. At present I am tending to favour air brushing Revell aqua paint but I am open to other views.
As for the spray rail, my boat has never gone fast enough to need them. To be clear, is this the rail around the joint between the hull and deck which my boat has. Told you I was a beginner as well. With the more powerful motor, anything that keeps water from the electrics must be good.
The gun was supplied by Battlecraft in Bideford. it is in 1:24 scale. I have just purchased a 40mm Bofors for the stern. Nothing like a lot of weapons. Perhaps I should have some
torpedoes
one day.๐
I have just bought a 3648 1450kv motor from Hobbyking for mine. I am advised that this will sort out my slow speed problem. I have also been advised to fit Lipo batteries. I probably will once I get over the thought of a large fireball on the river or in my house during charging.๐
Would love to hear how the renovation goes. I am considering starting a build blog as it might be a good source of gaining extra knowledge. I am not sure if a restoration will be ok on the build blog so I would appreciate if a member in the know could comment on this.
Work keeps getting in the way of my plans but one day!!
Peter.๐
6 years ago by MouldBuilder
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WWII Italian MAS 562
MAS 562 (Motoscafo Armato Silurante: Torpedo Armed Motorboat)
While Browsing the internet I came across a free plan dated 1969 if a italian Motor torpedo boat
I found the craft interesting as it had a stepped hull, and this looked like a challenge, so more research and historical digging.
Built in 1941 by Baglietto, Varazze: built of wood (mahogany).
Baglietto, Varazze: built MAS 561 through to MAS 570
MAS
Baglietto class 500, 4th series"
Displacement 27.8 tons
Displacement max 28 tons
Length 18.7m
Width 4.7m
Draught 1.5m
Propeller shafts 2
Machinery isotta Fraschini petrol engines and Alfa Romeo or Cararo cruising petrol engines
Power, h.p. 2000 or 2300 / 140 or 100
Max speed 43 to 46 knots
Fuel tank 1.5 tons
Endurance 350 nautical miles at 42 knots
Armament 1 x - 13.2/76 or 1 x - 20/65 Breda 1940,
2 x 450mm
torpedoes
,
6 - 10 x Depth charges
Crew complement 13 persons
MAS 562, was captured by Germans 9/9/1943, transferred to RSI, was painted in disorientation camouflage, was captured by American PT' boats on June 30, 1944 and PT 306 towed the prize into Bastia. it was painted in disorientation camoflarge
It is one of the few to have survived the war and passed to the italian Guardia di Finanza in the 1950's. in 1940 there were 48 MAS 500-class units.
The plan shows the gun on a box platform not the case on the real boat.
Making this boat so small has been a bit of a challenge.
Running gear 2x Graupner 600 8.4v about 70watts each at rated voltage.
2x shafts 2x opposite turning propellers (2 or 3 bladed)
3 blades on real boat. 35-40 mm
2x ESC
1 or 2 Batteries
The Model after studying plans and photographs I could see a few things that I could add to the plans.
A cambered deck
A revised transom shape (not square)
Two propshaft and two electric motors with air cooling.
A reduction in the number of frames /ribs as the boat I was going to make was only 29in (83cm) long.
the three main problems with the hull where :-
the new frame positions and
the thickness of the stringers the wood I used was too thick 12mm x 6mm for a small boat
Correct gun and position.
The Hull is now skinned I will upload some photos soon.
6 years ago by CB90
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MTB
Hi Rowen, we're not splitting hairs! Together we are getting to the roots๐
I had also noticed the slight differences in superstructure; especially the aft part and the bridge top/screen. But I noticed these variations also in the Danish and other variants. Didn't want to overload the post with these as I thought it was long enough already๐ฒ
Seems some variations were introduced depending on the base variant it was ordered as MTB or MGB (most of which still had at least two
torpedoes
!). Since the Brave class were apparently very expensive to produce (which is why only two were built not the planned six?) the later variants were based on a cheaper export version, 'Felicity' type I think they were called. They were a little smaller but with similar performance and firepower to the Braves, some with two Perseus turbines instead of two but most with three as in the Braves, and cheaper to build with wood on alu frames instead of all metal. Usually classed as FPBs or FACs depending on armament.
Summary; The Perkasa was not a generic class but a specific four ship class for the RMN. Basis for the hulls and superstructure design was the same as the Braves and Felicity but some 'poetic license' was taken with subsequent export order with variations even within classes.
Comparing available (to me) pics again I now tend to agree with you that the rounded bridge of the model is more like the Perkasa class than the box-like bridge of Swordsman. ๐ฒ
BTW: in 1971 the RMN Perkasas were upgraded with SS12 missiles so there's another interesting variant for the aficionados ๐
Credentials: was not in the RAF (but Dad was!), but I worked with the RMN and the Surabaya shipyard (and various other bidders) on the design of the COMMS systems for the replacements for the Perkasa class and then their replacements, up to the current NGPV-2 (New Generation Patrol Vessel-Batch 2). interesting work and people. Also did some work on their new frigates and an auxiliary in the nineties.
One thing I always did before embarking on such projects was to research the background of the navy involved, operational area and requirements and also the potential shipyard partners. Part of establishing confidence and rapport. ๐
Anyway - whatever; model-wise - if it looks right it probably is right! Main thing is fun planning, building and above all sailing, exchanges like this help us all a lot I believe.
All the best Doug ๐
6 years ago by RNinMunich
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Ships, Subs,
torpedoes
and Hovercraft at my local RC show (4K resolution)
Just seen this, for some reason the videos wouldn't play when it was originally posted , loved the Nautilus from 20,000 Leagues under the sea ,one of my all time favourite films after Forbidden Planet.
Cheers Marky๐
7 years ago by marky
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Ships, Subs,
torpedoes
and Hovercraft at my local RC show (4K resolution)
thanks Dom
7 years ago by lesliebreame
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Ships, Subs,
torpedoes
and Hovercraft at my local RC show (4K resolution)
Keep an eye on this web site early next year. They should announce the dates for 2018 but should be same weekend in September I expect. http://www.headcornevents.co.uk/event.php?eventid=25
7 years ago by Dom of Essential RC
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Ships, Subs,
torpedoes
and Hovercraft at my local RC show (4K resolution)
I live in Devon now Dom but my best buddy is buried in the churchyard in Headcorn. is the meeting at the same place next year, if so i can come up and kill two birds with one stone so to speak !! Les
7 years ago by lesliebreame
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Ships, Subs,
torpedoes
and Hovercraft at my local RC show (4K resolution)
This was at the Southern Model Show in Headcorn, Kent.
7 years ago by Dom of Essential RC
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Ships, Subs,
torpedoes
and Hovercraft at my local RC show (4K resolution)
very nice. Where is the show please?
7 years ago by lesliebreame
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Ships, Subs,
torpedoes
and Hovercraft at my local RC show (4K resolution)
One of my favourite RC shows of the year. The Southern Model Show has a bit of everything. The temporary boating pond is used by about 6 clubs who demonstrate their various watercraft to the appreciation of the visiting public.
7 years ago by Dom of Essential RC
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Deck furniture
Sorry guys... I should have added that Battlecrafts do loads of armaments in various scales for lots of ships. if you have the money, they have a complete set of fittings including guns,
torpedoes
, and ALL the deck fittings for both 1/24th and 1/32nd models of the Perkasa. I have only added a few bits plus both guns on my 34" one, but it does add a lot of "realism" to it. Pics will follow when she's complete ๐
7 years ago by rolfman2000
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3 Footer on a very rare outing
So the Crash Tenders only had a speed of 30 knots and that isn't that quick. The scramble nets were used for recovering airmen downed in the water, they had to get to them quick. Have you been on the water at 30 knot's compared to in a car it feels a hell of a lot different.
British Power Boat 60 ft MTB. They were based on the British Power Boat rescue craft and were originally designed for the Royal Air Force but reduced to 60 ft (18 m) in length. They could carry two 18-inch (457 mm)
torpedoes
and achieve a maximum speed of 33 kn (38 mph; 61 km/h).
7 years ago by BOATSHED
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Counter Rotating Props
Inwards or outwards - should the props be turning to meet together above the shaft or below it?
Also from Wikipedia "Contra-rotating is where parts of a mechanism rotate in opposite directions about a common axis, usually to minimise the effect of torque. Contra-rotating propellers should not be confused with counter-rotating propellers, a term which describes non-coaxial propellers on separate shafts; one turning clockwise and the other counter-clockwise."
torpedoes
are a marine example of contra-rotating props.
Roy
7 years ago by Trillium
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Precedent Perkasa
Hi Dave
Chris, who you met when I collected the boat, suggested looking at replacing the bearings and shaft, but as it was non metric, I didn't think it would be as straightforward as you suggest. I'll store that info away in case the needle couplings don't work.
The couplings will be with me tomorrow, so I will let you know how it goes.
I have attached a pic of my previous boat, unfortunately I have none of the power train.
As you can see, it's pretty basic and all the fittings came with the kit except the gun barrel (machined metal) and
torpedoes
(broom handles).
Thanks once again for your help and advice.
Steve
8 years ago by cormorant
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(Ocean Liner) Shengking 11
SS Shengking built Clydeside 1930 for China navigation co. Traded between ShanghaI & Tiensin from 1934, was carrying aviation fuel in WW2 just avoided 2
torpedoes
, eventually sold, finally scrapped in 1962 (8/10)
8 years ago by michaelpboyes
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MTGMB
He probably wants an 80ft Elco American PT boat.
They had several machine guns, several cannon,
torpedoes
, depth charges and missiles. Also, occasionally, anti-tank guns and mortars...
8 years ago by DodgyGeezer
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HMS GREY GOOSE
Are the
torpedoes
scratch-built, or from a purchased kit?
8 years ago by DodgyGeezer
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Perkasa progress
I have added a few more fittings ie cooling stack Bofors & Oerlikon guns lockers hatches radar & the anchor is in progress the
torpedoes
& racks are nearly finished when the deck is finished i will fit the stanchions
slowly getting there ๐ญ
9 years ago by Northumbrian
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Perkasa
The
torpedoes
& racks are in place the stack lockers are ready to rub down then seal & undercoat,The next job is to paint the bottom black
9 years ago by Northumbrian
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MTGMB
This the story, possibly to be a long drawn out one, of a scratch built wooden boat. Nominally for my six year old son, he has provided the spec for the armament, and as no amount of firepower is too much for a boy, he has asked for
torpedoes
, guns and missiles, hence the name!
9 years ago by fid2b
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How to fix torpedos
On looking at pictures of other models I noticed some of them displayed ropes securing the
torpedoes
. I opted for using some elastic laces as ropes lashing them down. By tying a loop like an elastic band I was able to thread it through a hole in the torpedo carrier and thread the torpedo through the loop. The elasticity holds the torpedo in place and its easy to remove. 2 bands per torpedo, one each end of the carrier
10 years ago by lesfac
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How to fix torpedos
I am building a Perkasa and I want to make the torpedo cradles and
torpedoes
removable to make repainting easy when It comes to It. I have screwed to the cradles down using 3 mm bolts and nuts under the deck. I am trying to think of a method to fix the
torpedoes
Into the cradles so I can remove them. What Is the usual method are they glued? I have thought of a screw through the back of the cradle Into the torpedo but that would be visible If you care to look. I also thought of drilling 1/16 holes down the 3mm ends of the cradle and use Rod In these holes that Is fixed In the torpedo. Any alternative Ideas appreciated
10 years ago by lesfac
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How to fix torpedos
Another idea is to glue the
torpedoes
to the cradle with small amounts of canopy glue, it dries clear and does not go hard, they could then be removed with a small amount of pressure if needed.
Alan
10 years ago by AlanP
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How to fix torpedos
HI lesfac
If you can get to the under deck area inside the hull, you could fit the cradles with 2mm treaded rod through the deck and secure with nuts and washers, to hold the
torpedoes
in place, small stainless or brass screws fitted up through the cradles, small screw dab of matching paint, hay presto it vanishes, also giving you piece of mind if you want to repair or up grade the weapons fit.
Regards
Mark
10 years ago by jarvo
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Fittings, winches cranes gun mounts etc.
Met this chap at the Bury Metro Tug tow. He was selling of his own stand with lots of good quality bits on offer.
Different sizes of towing winch. Hyab type hydraulic cranes, various guns and mounts,
torpedoes
and tubes, lots of nice pieces.
As well as his stock Items apparently he Is happy to do special orders, different scales etc.
Michael Mcguinn, 20 Rochester Avenue, Bolton. BL2 5ED. tel 01204 559525.
No web site but email (Email Removed - PM Only)
10 years ago by jarvo
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Aerokits PT Boat
Just started work on the
torpedoes
for My Aerokits PT Boat, the ones in the kit don't look quite right,
10 years ago by Dave Kershaw
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Aerokits patrol torpedo boat 40''
HI Bob. The stern is quite narrower than the beam at at the superstructure. Mine has a width of 825mm at the stern and 885mm at the superstructure. You may like to check out a few pictures on my boat build blog, PT 301 (Snuffy Smith). it has a norrower stern so that the
torpedoes
can clear the side when released. Check American archives on Higgins PT boats.
11 years ago by Gabby
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(Naval Ship) Perkassa
President kit bought on ebay and refurbished electrics and fitted new radio gear. Nautical marine models resin cast fittings purchsed for
torpedoes
,Oerlikon gun, hatches, tool/ ammunition boxes (Motor: MFA Torpedo 850) (ESC: Mtronics viper 25 ) (5/10)
12 years ago by solmike
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Fun Boats for Sale.
Boat for Sale:Vigilant Star Fun Boat.
This boat was made by me,
It Is 38 Inches long and 9 Inches wide+20 Inch tall to
top of mast.weight Is approx 25lbs loaded.
Has 12v 7Amp battery to drive the two 600 engines
with twin props comes with 2 spare motors and a
spare battery ,has built In 4 channel reciever and
Ripmax Seasprint Xtra 6-16 cell 280amp 6 -16
cell,controller, + 6volt battery for the Graupner 6v
steam generator smoke stack,also comes with a
battry charger/Zebra 4 FM Remote.Has a moving gun
wich can be used to spray water ,pump Inc.
To use the water Cannon + the Radar rotation or the
dummy
torpedoes
you will need to change the four
channel reciever to a six channel,not supplied,or you
can change over leads to do what you want on
different day's.
I will Include three more boats with the sale.
Here Is a picture.
The uscg Island cutter Is rare now and would make a good project to fit new gear. Two motors/props/shafts/supplied free.
If you want to see the Vigilant In action then go here
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vip2d90djuo)
Asking Price รโAยฃ160.00.Collection only ,PM'S please .Gerry
13 years ago by gerry
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new addition to the fleet
well, time for a new blog! just been and picked up (210 mile round trip) another ebay find,
a model I have been after for quite a while, an Aerokits P.T. Boat. its in pretty good shape and has most of its original fittings and even has all four
torpedoes
, will be replacing the running gear and fitting radio and a slightly smaller rudder!!!
watch this space
David
14 years ago by dbninja
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vigilant star test 3
The boat is a scratch built and started life in the shed. it is a semiscale model at aprox 36inch, built with balsa wood.It is full remote control and fitted with two Mtroniks Vision 600 motors one 12volt 7ah battery,one seasprint esc.
It was built as a fun boat so I could sail with my friend Peter thomas with his variuos boats.
Several things have now been added since this boat was first built, IE smoking stacks, fireing
torpedoes
and magnetic pickups for colecting them. Also has working radar/moving gun + a home built bec.
Flag poles and flags/compas has been added on the superstructure.
Each motor draws 6amps at full power, I have measured the speed from one point to another at a spacing of 60mtrs, and timed at 15 seconds, but this is a bit fast for this boat as she starts to plane out of the water.
We sail her at New Brighton lake on the wirral most wednesdays. As the weather is now a bit cool I have just purchased a simular model to this at 1:48 scale 110ft island class USCG Patrol boat so I can look at them both in action when the weather picks up. Anyone wanting info can contact me via this website.
16 years ago by gerry