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Hi Doug. I have just noticed that you have already answered my battery question in an earlier post. Do you have, by any chance, a legend for the MTB drawings you posted earlier. I cannot recognise some of the parts. The machine guns in the other picture look superb. I have found them on a website but it states they are brittle. Is this your experience with this kind of 3d printed item? Thanks.😉
Perkasa MTB A favourite model boat there must have been hundreds if not thousands made. When I brought mine there was a choice between two sizes 36in (90cm) or 48in (120cm) and then you could choose between a wooden hull or a fibreglass hull. I went for the smaller boat with the fibreglass hull. this was back in the 1980s. Background of the boat The boats Perkasa class consisted of three motor torpedo boats built by Vosper (UK) for the Malaysian Navy as follows:- Perkasa 150 Penula 151 Handalan 152 This model has 3 motors, port & starboard are Graupner 600s and one 700 type in the centre runs 3 ESCs front and rear guns operate via servos, with flashing LEDs down the barrels.
My 95 year old uncle is a former MTB captain living in a care home in Exmouth. His brother, my late father, built a nice Vosper MTB model in the fifties that has not run since 1962. I have recently restored, upgraded and recommissioned this model and I would really like to show my uncle her running on a lake. Unfortunately, the lake at Exmouth has been filled in recently and the nearest alternative that I can find on the net is about 45 miles away which is too far for him to travel. The model is now electric and so is quiet, about 40 inches long and a fairly hot performer at full chat. If you are active in this area, I would be most grateful to be informed of any suitable closer waters and the requirements to access it. Thanks guys.
HiMB, sorry for delay replying, just got back from a Ten Pin Bowling League Cup match, we won 4:2 and through to Round 5 😊 Ooops! I can't think of any type with a gun tub slap bang in the middle of the bridge. 😲 Otherwise I think yours is a simplified version pretty much based on the US produced ELCO PTB. Probably the 80 foot version, known as ELCO 80 (wonder why 😉). Modified from the original Vosper / British Power Boats designs. More of these were built than any other version and most used in the Pacific. The USN called these boats PTBs while ever other navy at the time called them MTBs. Also suggesting that your model is based on the US ELCO version. Here you can find oodles of photos of MTBs, MGBs and PTBs. https://www.pinterest.de/pin/417145984205535643/ Attached is a photo from this site showing the bridge, foredeck and forward gun tub. I have loads more like this. If you like I'll sort out a bunch and post them here or email them as you wish. Battlecrafts are good, well detailed. BUT, I was disappointed when I bought a set of 4.7" for my destroyer that nothing moved 😡 Now trying to figure out how to mod them without wrecking them. The guns in the tubs are Twin Browning 0.5" 50 CAL (for Calibre). Means that the barrel length was 50 times the bullet calibre! I.e. 25". Cheers Doug 😎
Hi MB, Attached are two extracts from the official USN Bureau of Ship plans for an MTB. Kindly sent to me by the colleague I bought the PT Boat from. Also a pic of the forward (starboard!) gun tub on a model, showing what can be done these days with some photo etch upgrades😉 Not mine I'm afraid🤔 I get the impression that the Aerokits version is somewhat stylised. Have fun, cheers Doug 😎 BTW: If you don't want to tackle LiPos just yet you could use Hi Power NiMH. LiPos do involve some investment when you first start using them: Lithium safe charger, relatively expensive battery packs and LiPo safe ESC. The latter can be preset to stop if the LipO is discharged to it's lowest safe voltage, i.e. 3.2V per cell. Below that the LiPo cells will most likely (99.9%) be irreparably damaged.😡 Cheers Doug 😎
At this moment in time. I am completing a TID Tug boat. My next project is a Fairmile D MTB at 1/24 scale. I intend to run 4 props using brushed motors and two ESCs. I am looking for reasonable performance from brushed motors probably Johnson 600 motors running 3 blade 40mm props. Can anyone give me advice regards this setup or can recommend an alternative that does not involve to much expense.
Just ran across this (compared with most others from the era) incredibly sharp photo, (right click the photo then left click 'Show photo' and then'+' and you'll see what I mean by sharp!!😉) apparently (allegedly?) a 'Vosper 70ft Motor Torpedo Boat V-252 at Greenock in January 1942. In the background is the Flower class Corvette HMCS Trillium(K172)' (Which makes me wonder if OUR Trillium served on her!?) + 2 others! Research continues, I have an interest in both types 😉 Cheers Doug 😎
I was also told about cutting away the front edge for the same reason, digging in on turn's. I have found on hulls like the Vosper RAF Crash Tenders and MTB hulls they sit on the water on a turn as if they are stuck on the water no roll at all. Also on the Huntsman style hull they also turn a lot better with minimal roll. It was told to me on her the other day that the rudders were meant to be the way they are and there was no need to cut away the leading edge. I have done this for many years now, since the mid 70's and had great results I even put a 10cc engine in a hull rated for 5 to 7.5cc and it was an amazing boat to run. I turned a couple of boats upside down until the rudders were trimmed and then good to turn. I'm glad I have found someone that thinks it's alright to do. 👍😊
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Hi Rowen, we're not splitting hairs! Together we are getting to the roots👍 I had also noticed the slight differences in superstructure; especially the aft part and the bridge top/screen. But I noticed these variations also in the Danish and other variants. Didn't want to overload the post with these as I thought it was long enough already😲 Seems some variations were introduced depending on the base variant it was ordered as MTB or MGB (most of which still had at least two torpedoes!). Since the Brave class were apparently very expensive to produce (which is why only two were built not the planned six?) the later variants were based on a cheaper export version, 'Felicity' type I think they were called. They were a little smaller but with similar performance and firepower to the Braves, some with two Perseus turbines instead of two but most with three as in the Braves, and cheaper to build with wood on alu frames instead of all metal. Usually classed as FPBs or FACs depending on armament. Summary; The Perkasa was not a generic class but a specific four ship class for the RMN. Basis for the hulls and superstructure design was the same as the Braves and Felicity but some 'poetic license' was taken with subsequent export order with variations even within classes. Comparing available (to me) pics again I now tend to agree with you that the rounded bridge of the model is more like the Perkasa class than the box-like bridge of Swordsman. 😲 BTW: In 1971 the RMN Perkasas were upgraded with SS12 missiles so there's another interesting variant for the aficionados 😉 Credentials: was not in the RAF (but Dad was!), but I worked with the RMN and the Surabaya shipyard (and various other bidders) on the design of the COMMS systems for the replacements for the Perkasa class and then their replacements, up to the current NGPV-2 (New Generation Patrol Vessel-Batch 2). Interesting work and people. Also did some work on their new frigates and an auxiliary in the nineties. One thing I always did before embarking on such projects was to research the background of the navy involved, operational area and requirements and also the potential shipyard partners. Part of establishing confidence and rapport. 😉 Anyway - whatever; model-wise - if it looks right it probably is right! Main thing is fun planning, building and above all sailing, exchanges like this help us all a lot I believe. All the best Doug 😎
MTB by RHBaker Fleet Admiral! Posted: 2 months ago
Hi Doug, Hate to split hairs, but am researching a Brave Borderer for my next project. In doing so can advise that although the BB and the Brave Swordsman were sister ships, they had different superstructures. Have no idea why. The Perkasa was different again, it resembles the BB but it has an enclosed wheel house in front of what looks like a BB superstructure. This extended portion can be seen on the pictures. Sorry, as R.A.F in Canada, to disagree with you! Enjoyed the rest of your post though, it helped explain some of the export derivatives of the Brave class which I could not otherwise pin down. Rowen
Not quite RH! But similar heritage. Brave Swordsman P1012 was one of two Brave class, the other being Brave Borderer P1011 (see photo taken on the Rhine river). Both were built between 1958 - 1960. The Danes ordered 6 (Søløven-class) to a similar design, 4 being built under license in Denmark. Replaced ca 1990 by the 'Flying Fish' class. The Royal Malaysian Navy ordered 4 boats in 1964 which became the Perkasa class, ca 6 years after the Braves. Class ship being KD Perkasa P150. The other 3 were KD Handalan P151, KD Gempita P152, KD Pendekar P153. They were delivered in 1967 some 7 years after the Braves were delivered. The Perkasa design was based on the Søløven-class which itself was based on the Brave class. So the model (to my mind) is Brave Swordsman. With 3 Perseus gas turbines the Braves were at the time the fastest naval ships in the world at 52 knots. The Søløvens and Perkasas used the same set up. Cheers Doug 😎 PS The Braves could be equipped as MTB or MGB with two 40mm. Borderer in the pic seems to be in that configuration.