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    Response
    Re: HMS Cottesmore in 1/48 scale.
    Hi Doug, I will not be using any
    mixer
    s, it will be entirely up to the captain weather he choose to manoeuvre with rudders,props,bow thruster or all three.
    1 month ago by Martin555
    Response
    Re: HMS Cottesmore in 1/48 scale.
    Excellent work Martin๐Ÿ‘ Very service friendly (Once again proving the old adage- 'If you fail to plan then you plan to fail'!) and excellent detailing. I have made some wt doors for my HMS Hotspur in very similar fashion. Do you use a rudder
    mixer
    with the twin ESCs or rely on the bow thruster? You're getting the hang of Blogging pretty quickly I see. Nice style. Keep it up. Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    1 month ago by RNinMunich
    Forum
    Noodle Jet Boat
    "........there isnโ€™t a huge amount of swivel on the buckets, was thinking of putting a
    mixer
    in rather than a rudder?, I suppose itโ€™s just trial and error.... ...." If you put a small 'dagger plate' on the keel, like the power racers do, that will improve the turning no end....
    1 month ago by DodgyGeezer
    Forum
    Noodle Jet Boat
    Hi John, yes, there isnโ€™t a huge amount of swivel on the buckets, was thinking of putting a
    mixer
    in rather than a rudder?, I suppose itโ€™s just trial and error....
    1 month ago by Shopper
    Directory
    MTB patrol boat
    Vosper thorneycroft MTB, twin prop with
    mixer
    1 month ago by Shopper
    Forum
    Transmitter Mode 2
    Hi Rowen Thanks for tip ๐Ÿ‘ I'll give that a try when I get back from Spain mid April. Off to Malaga on Monday โ˜€๏ธโ˜€๏ธ I agree. Two stick control is great for tanks, only practical solution! But hopeless for boats, especially at high speed. So far even my twin screw boats all run off one ESC, BUT I now have 3 and 4 screw ships as well. So I'll be experimenting with the P94 dual ESC / Rudder
    mixer
    from Action / Component Shop. Which can also run a third motor through an external ESC. How do you control your centre motor using this mix arrangement? I have a digital subscription to Model Boats mag. Which issue is your article in?? Cheers, Doug๐Ÿ˜Ž
    2 months ago by RNinMunich
    Forum
    Transmitter Mode 2
    Hi JK, Mode 1, Mode 2? Pooh pooh! I have the German branded version of the i6, also a Spektrum D6 and a Graupner MC-10 40Meg set (for my subs๐Ÿ˜‰). I use a simple convention on all of them. Throttle and rudder are both on the right stick, channels 1 and 2 respectively. ALL aircraft special functions and
    mixer
    s are switched OFF. Connect ESC and rudder servo to the corresponding outputs at the RX and away you go. Regardless of which Mode the TX thinks it is. This means that I can control the boat with one thumb. Leaving the other hand free for the special function pots and switches, or the Bierkrug๐Ÿ˜‹ I sail at the Ostpark Lake here in Munich, sitting at the edge of the Biergarten on the bank of the lake ๐Ÿ˜ See pic of my usual corner. My TX can be set to either Mode 1 or 2. I left in Mode 1. Mode 1 or mode 2 doesn't matter, unless some sets have the self centring stick built in on the left. Even these can be swapped over to the right. Or use the left thumb for navigating! Only minor irritation with this setup; on all the modern 2.4Gig sets designed for the fly boys, is that on switch-on the TX still demands that the throttle,which it 'thinks' is left stick, is pulled down or it won't boot โ˜น๏ธ Safety feature for aircraft motors! No chopped fingers๐Ÿ˜ฎ Haven't found a way to switch this off yet. It's embedded in the firmware.๐Ÿค” Cheers, Doug๐Ÿ˜Ž
    2 months ago by RNinMunich
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Hi John, thanks for the help, model shop in Hereford said that they should set up the same on the basic channels. Apparently the A or H in the series number referred to either aircraft or helicopter. Thanks again for your help with this issue. Cheers Colin.
    3 months ago by Colin H
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Have decided to remove the vintage rc gear from my recent acquisition and put in 2.4ghz system, I am hoping to be able to control the 2 motors via 2 ESC's and Mtronics w-tail
    mixer
    , (which I already have) but I have don't have any instructions or diagrams for fitting it. Can anyone help me please. BTW it will be a 6 volt system. Thanks in advance Colin.
    3 months ago by Colin H
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Thanks Dodgy, I'll give it a go. Cheers Colin.
    3 months ago by Colin H
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Things will be a bit up in the air with the Hobbico bankrupcy. But Horizon Hobby have taken over Futaba distribution - see https://www.futabarc.com/contact.html They advise chasing Futaba USA for anything further - so these people might be the best to ask: https://futabausa.com/contactus/ Don't buy poor photocopies of manuals at exorbitant prices without checking with the manufacturer first....
    3 months ago by DodgyGeezer
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    hi ya Colin - I had a good look round the web to try and find the instructions manual for your Futaba FP-T7 UPH and it keeps coming up with the links that I have already posted but there are also one or two links which the firewall wont allow me to open - it says its got virus' on - so I wonder what that one is. I did come across an auction site - not Ebay - that had one for sale with the instructions and if you look at the instructions they are similar/same as the link I have already posted. So, I am wondering are these instructions for the two sets of transmitters - and possibly the one you have is an upgrade. I see on Ebay there is someone in USA who sells manuals on CD for around ยฃ8 if you desperate. Of all the transmitter manuals I have looked for this one is an oddball one for finding the manual. Happy days. John
    3 months ago by JOHN
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Thanks John, can't find the one for the 7UHP version though. Have a 7UAP set as well with the manual, some of function's are different but the set up should be the same. Cheers Colin.
    3 months ago by Colin H
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Hi Colin try this link http://manuals.hobbico.com/fut/7uafs-7uaps-manual.pdf john
    3 months ago by JOHN
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    John can you please tell us the li k for the manual download for the FUTABA FP-T7UHP TRANSMITTER. Thanks Colin.
    3 months ago by Colin H
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Thanks John, that's what I was thinking of trying, finally getting my head around the details of the mixing at source. I have another old futaba set with mixing as well, which I used for a Lancaster and found that by controlling ort and starboard motors via mixing made it a really stable flyer. Just hope it will work as well on my boats as I have a couple of fast launches with twin motors to get restored and back on the water. Thanks for all the help from everyone and especially you and Dodgy. Cheers Colin
    3 months ago by Colin H
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    I have just spent a couple of mins downloading and reading through the manual for your transmitter, Colin and I see you have limited mixing similar to the old Futaba 6A models. if it were me (going back to your original question) I would use this transmitter with a new receiver and fit these into your model and use tank steering as in the 4th diagram on that little image I put on of the electrical layouts. Very simple and straightforward. I think its channel 2 on your right hand stick used for rudder.
    3 months ago by JOHN
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Well spotted Dodgy, it's just one of a few old sets I have from my flying days that's an easy conversion to 2.4ghz with a plug in module, which I have, with matching recievers. I have a few 27mhz and 40mhz sets as well, it's just a matter of choosing one that's not in use with one of my other models. I have systems up to 40 years old and and still fully working, so I don't spend on new when I have so much good stuff to choose from, also my specialty is collecting and restoring (for use) vintage models. I also take them to display at vintage shows in the summer. Cheers Colin.
    3 months ago by Colin H
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    I'm not a Futaba specialist, but isn't that the Helicopter version of the FP-7? if so, it will have a lot of settings and features which will be 'very confusing' to a marine modeller...
    3 months ago by DodgyGeezer
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Here is the transmitter I intend to use, with a 2.4ghz module fitted. Not decided on the RX yet as need to get in the attic to look in my radio spares box. But it will be a 6 channel set, as that is what I have. Cheers Colin.
    3 months ago by Colin H
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Its really quite simple modern radio systems are computerised so you can do all the mixing you want from the transmitter. No need to buy
    mixer
    s for the receiver end. Setting things up the first time you do it is confusing I agree but once you have a grip on things it becomes more simple. The good thing about using a modern system is that you can change things on the fly and even have different mixes selectable on the same model and change while your sailing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq_H9vzCz8g there is a video so you can see what I am talking about.
    3 months ago by Haverlock
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    hi there Colin - to stop confusion and people suggesting things that are totally 'confusing' ๐Ÿ˜Š 1. What type of 2.4 transmitter do you have, what make and how many channels. 2. Can you put a photograph of your rudder servo in the model and the actual plug that fits into the receiver. This servo may not be compatible with what you are trying to do.
    3 months ago by JOHN
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Well now I'm totally confused. Please Simplify I'm a beginner with the electrics. Cheers Colin.
    3 months ago by Colin H
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    just to add to the fun and games of this thread rather than looking at aftermarket
    mixer
    s why not go the whole hog and get something like the taranis system. You can mix channels at will and proportionate relationships. This means you can tailor the responses on the mixed channels.
    3 months ago by Haverlock
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    My boat was already built with twin motor drive. So I will stick with what I have, may even keep the original rc gear and esc, servo if I locate a transmitter that will operate it successfully. But I thank you for your input, cheers Colin.
    3 months ago by Colin H
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Hi Colin I use 1 motor to power both paddle wheels on my paddler like Roy but as the steering is a little challenging I have a clear plastic rudder extension that I fix onto the rudder with elastic bands only when sailing the craft. This assists steering and when the model is on display at home or whatever the extra bit of rudder is easily removed. Not a technical solution but it works and is almost invisible. Regards Chris G
    3 months ago by ChrisG
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Hi in the old days before
    mixer
    s i seem to remember micro switches arranged one either side of the rudder helm When steering reached full helm one motor was switched out Cheers Ian
    3 months ago by TOWN3810
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Hi Colin, I have just been catching up on this commentary which was prompted by your initial question. in running my 'Forceful' tug I found that varying paddle speeds, i.e. a
    mixer
    , is unnecessary for steering. I run it with the paddles at the same speed, and the rudder handles the steering alone just fine. I wonder if you have run your model, and confirmed that you have to vary paddle speeds to turn? if so, another option is to replace the rudder with a bigger one. Roy
    3 months ago by Trillium
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Thanks John, good link, I will have to save the pennies to get an all in one unit. Cheers Colin.
    3 months ago by Colin H
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    hi ya Doug, I think you may find there is a difference between the 20 amp and 10 amp version of the P94 other than aluminium heat sink. Circuit board is slightly different as well ๐Ÿ‘ John
    3 months ago by JOHN
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Hi ya Colin I am going to post a link which I hope will explain about tank steering and other various forms of steering. Also, I will post a little pic on which is from the same site. by the way, I don't think any of us stop learning about modelling - no matter how long we have been doing it. it is on par of us understanding women we never will ๐Ÿ˜Š . https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/Common/Electrics/Twin_motors.htm
    3 months ago by JOHN
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Thanks John, so much to think about, I will have to do some more research, your set up looks good, my motor's are gear drive to the paddles. They run at the same speed on one or two ESC's. if I use two sticks on the tx for tank steering what happens with the rudder. Sorry for my ignorance, multi motor control is very new to me. I'm still learning, with the help of the this site and the knowledge that the members are willing to share with us. Cheers Colin.
    3 months ago by Colin H
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    hi ya Colin, sorry for the delay - but I am going to open up a can of worms here. Although a lot of people use the 'Y' tail or the 'W' tail
    mixer
    from MTroniks or other Companies to actually mix two speed controllers and a rudder movement in the marine environment, (personally) I don't think this is effective as a dedicated marine
    mixer
    . The reason for this, is, I built the Forceful tug a little while ago and I incorporated the 'W' tail
    mixer
    in it for independent control of the 2 paddles and the rudder and when this model did 'sea trials' ๐Ÿ˜Š on the lake & in the test tank (the bath) ๐Ÿ‘I was never 100% happy with this. it didn't seem to perform quite right, especially in reverse. The model seemed to go better in one direction than the other. One motor always seemed to lead the other motor so therefore the model would steer off course and you were always correcting it. When I eventually checked the speed of each motor individually with a tachometer I found that one motor was indeed increasing in revs so - I took out the 'W'
    mixer
    and went for tank steering (using 2 individual sticks on the transmitter). This was a lot better and saved the day at the lake. Then I wend and had a look at what
    mixer
    s are available and yes there is the ACTion P94 which in my eyes is extremely expensive - but - there are one or two on Ebay market but also there is a guy called Alan Bond he runs a company called Forge Electronics and they make an independent
    mixer
    which I use myself. I find it extremely good. ๐Ÿ‘ the name of the game though is for yourself to try setting up the 'W' tail
    mixer
    and playing around with it or you could look at individual
    mixer
    s that do not have the speed controllers built in with them i.e. there is one from ACTion as well, there is one from Forge and as I say there are 2 or 3 off the web market place. Have a look - here are a couple of pics of the Forceful and my set up. The speed controllers I am using in this tug are Electronize and it's Alan Bond's original
    mixer
    which used to be sold from Technobots - but he opened up business on his own and I will put a link on when I find it. http://www.forge-electronics.co.uk/ http://www.forge-electronics.co.uk/
    3 months ago by JOHN
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Mornin' Colin, Correct, I was referring to the P94 version. BTW: the 20A version is only the 10A version with heat sinks added to the power transistors! I figured it wasn't worth 10 quid for a few chunks of ally so I made my own! ๐Ÿ˜‰ Trust that the tests showed you still have blood!! ๐Ÿ˜ Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    3 months ago by RNinMunich
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Thanks Doug, I will have to put one on my birthday list, only 5 weeks away. Last comment on your message I assume you are talking about the all in one system. Just off to the quacks for my 4 weekly blood tests. Bye for now. Cheers Colin.
    3 months ago by Colin H
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Evenin' Colin, Understand. But; Not sooooo expensive when you consider that you are effectively getting 2 ESCs in one compact board, plus the rudder
    mixer
    . With the Mtronics gizmo you still need the separate ESCs, which also makes the wiring messier!๐Ÿค” Taycol and converter board are packed up and will be on it's way to you per DHL this week. Ought to be with you before April!!๐Ÿ˜‰ Look forward to the pics of the Commander renovation. The paddler looks neat as well๐Ÿ‘ Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž PS there are also outputs for controlling Smokers or Sound Modules on the AC board.
    3 months ago by RNinMunich
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Thanks Doug, So right for the job, but so expensive, I am trying to use what I have or can get cheaply. As you know I am rubbish with electronics. This is for my latest aquisition, a vintage model paddle Steamer with individual paddle motors and a rudder. The old system of a digimax 4 needs updating. How's the taycol coming on, my first big show is at Easter and I was hoping to include the Sea Commander. Cheers Colin.
    3 months ago by Colin H
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Hi Colin, Try this version, P94 for brushed motors, from Action Electronics at Component Shop. Only throttle and rudder inputs with automatic mixing. I have one of these I intend to use for my long thin destroyer, or maybe the Graf Spee. Or the P40 for Brushless, same operating principle. https://www.componentshop.co.uk/action-electronics/
    mixer
    s-multifunction.html. I may get one of these for my PT109. heers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    3 months ago by RNinMunich
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Thanks Ian. I'll get in touch with them. Good thoughts, but with my rheumatism I think controlling 2 motors separately and also the rudder would be quite difficult for me. Cheers Colin
    3 months ago by Colin H
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Hi Colin will this help john
    3 months ago by JOHN
    Forum
    Mtronics W-tail marine
    mixer
    connections.
    Hi Mtronix provide excellent after sales service on their products 01943 461482 They will provide a wiring diagram But why not control each esc from 2 separate channels on your transmitter and forget complex
    mixer
    s Just a thought or it might be the wine talking again Cheers Ian
    3 months ago by TOWN3810
    Blog
    fuses
    Schnellboot Radio control setup 3 Mtroniks M400 marine Motors (running at 12V, at maximum efficiency it will run at around 20,000 Rpm and pull around 4 amps. Start-up current depending on prop size (30mm on 4mm prop shaft) would be around 10amps (6-12 volts) 3 Mtroniks Viper marine 15 ESCs connected using Mtroniks W-tail
    mixer
    with 10-amp fuses used between ESC and batteryโ€™s Batteries are 1 Carson 2100 MAH High performance NiMH battery pack 2 Vanquish 22oo MAH NiMH battery pack All Batteries are 7.2 V I have tested the set -up all the ESC are synchronised, and all seems well on the bench but when I try it in test tank all the fuses blow, and I check all connections and there are not short circuits on the connections or switches can anyone help
    5 months ago by teejay
    Forum
    RC
    mixer
    Hi, I'm doing some (a lot) of research before embarking on a Bristol Pilot build. My attention has now turned to controlling the twin fore sails. A helpful guy at my club mentioned using a '
    mixer
    '. Anyone who has controlled two foresails and/or a genoa on a racing yacht may have some ideas here - any welcome. But my initial question is about terminology. Reading my Futaba handbook - a truly excellent translation ๐Ÿ˜ก- I find two terms under the
    mixer
    section - 'OFS' and 'VR' - any idea what they mean? For interest, the problem is that the front sail overlaps the rear 'foresail' so we can not simply attach a sheet to the front sail to drag it to a 'tight' position as this may tangle with the rear foresail. The second problem is that if the foresail is out to the port, the drum winch must turn anticlockwise to haul it in, whereas when it is to starboard the winch must turn clockwise. I do love these problems, but desperately need help. If its only someone telling me not to be stupid and just lket the foresail hang loose - I'm not racing afterall๐Ÿ‘ Sam
    6 months ago by sam
    Response
    Must get the skins on before I pull all of my hair out!!
    Hi Pete, Basically yes. There are some other tricks with twin screws, not least engine assistance using a twin ESC with rudder
    mixer
    . Also the screw rotation makes a slight difference, and the rudders are usually slightly offset from the shafts, depending on the screw rotation. Are yours turning outwards or inwards? Referred to the top of the screw looking from aft while going forward. Cheers, Doug
    7 months ago by RNinMunich
    Forum
    RC....
    mixer
    s? And other unknowns..
    Ok... Currently trying to build a Itaieri Schnellboot, ...but am questioning if what little I think I know to be correct/ workable... I have amassed the following : 3- Hobbyking ST3007 1100KV brushless motors each direct drive to 32mm plastic props.... (2 right hand drive and 1 left hand drive props... swapped over leads on on motor to get it to run as yet untested the left hand prop) 3- Turnigy nano tech 3s 3000mh 25-50C Lipo ( Have got a balance charger and board , flame proof charge bag , battery voltage check/ alarm units, and will check and charge them await the only local help I have in RC / lips battery a helicopter flyer who has no experience with RC boats ) I just read the post on WTail
    mixer
    and wonder if I need that or if my current unkowning idea to just connect all 3 ESC โ€˜s together to one channel on the radio , again was give Eflite Blade SR HP6DSM 2.4GHz to try out ,Will this unit work or do I need something else , currently will/ can use all 6 channels but would / could use more if I had them ... last time I had anything to do with RC was a a kid/ teen and back then you had ground radios and flight radios and the two should not be mixed .. Ok please advise , how far off am I or am I still within range of keeping it simple ? Thanks All Bill
    7 months ago by BW3
    Response
    1-35 Scale Schenllboot By TeeJay
    when I built mine my outer prop shaft where just a bit longer to get pass the centre motor, I then used 385 motors and found that it runs great, used Action speed controls and
    mixer
    s
    7 months ago by captaindoug1
    Forum
    mixer
    Hi Doug thank you again
    7 months ago by teejay
    Forum
    mixer
    Hi all, I want to connect three ESC,s which connect to the three motors . I have looked at the mtroniks W-tail marine
    mixer
    and I am not sure if this will do the job, they seem more for 2 motors rather than three . any suggestions
    8 months ago by teejay
    Forum
    mixer
    Hi TJ, Answer to both questions is NO! 1 Connecting all the ESC switches together is like leaving all three of the red wires in the RX leads connected. If you mean a main power switch for the ESCs (not the little slide switch attached to the ESC) then consider that the switch would have to cope with a current of 3 times the max current rating of the ESC!!! For example; for 30A ESCs that would be 90A ๐Ÿ˜ฒ pretty big switch! 2 The object of the
    mixer
    is to control the ESCs of the two outer motors depending on the rudder setting, not to replace them somehow. If you mean two of the little slide switches being made redundant; again NO! They are there to switch on the ESC's internal circuitry, incl. BEC, without it they won't woik ๐Ÿค” Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    7 months ago by RNinMunich
    Forum
    mixer
    Hi all , question, can 3 esc,s be connected on to one switch or do you need an another piece of electronics to switch all the esc,s with one switch or would two of the be made redundant when using the W-Tail
    mixer
    .
    7 months ago by teejay


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