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J-502 progressing along
This project is nearing completion with just some
rigging
left to be done.
5 years ago by Ronald
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Hi, here I put rope diameters (above mentioned) .
Kathleen ropes - in attachment
5 years ago by tomarack
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I am building a model Thames sailing barge and have reached the stage of spars and
rigging
. I am wondering what to use to make the main shrouds and forestay. Pictures that I have seen look as if it is a model rope product rather than a wire. Can anyone tell me what they have used please.
5 years ago by Nerys
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Many thanks for your advice. I think you have confirmed what I had worked out from looking at pictures of model barges and other craft, however the very comprehensive dimensions you have given on facebook are very welcome and will help me a lot.
5 years ago by Nerys
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Hi,
on Facebook I have added for you to the dimensions of the
rigging
corresponding rope diameters for the 1:24 model. I think the wires are more suitable for a static model. On my models I used black waxed cotton(?) string with a diameter of 1 mm for shrouds and fore stay. For other ropes I use cotton strings and cords produced by ropewalk . For main sheet , vangs and jibsheets I use braided fishing lines.
Ivor Bittle reccommended black leather strings for main shrouds
please look here > ( https://www.ivorbittle.com/ ) - very usable pages !!!
Tom
5 years ago by tomarack
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Hull is a 30" generic Mastman hull. Will be RC. I have all but finished the hull, now making spars. Photos I have seen all look like
rigging
rope, available from various sources, Mastman etc. but I was wondering if it would be better if I used a wire. if so, what do I use. Cornwall model boats don't seem to list a wire. Bear in mind, difference in thickness for mainmast
rigging
to topmast. Any ideas?
5 years ago by Nerys
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Question, is this intended to be a scale static model or are you building a sailing RC model?
Joe
5 years ago by Joe727
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Time to let go !
For some time now, I've been addicted to purchasing beautiful things, particularly well made things, without much thought for my family, my job, or where the heck I'm going to put them ! On one such escapade I helped out with disposing of a small flotilla of very well made boats, with the intention of keeping one, and having made my decision on which one to keep, the rest must now sail away ! I must admit that I'm a sucker for 'plug N play' the easy way out possibly, but I really don't yet have the time to build a kit myself, which is my aim for the future . Ho Hum. Anyway, enough about me, what about the boats ? I hear. Well, the first is a very well constructed Model Slipway 1:43 scale Assurance Class WW2 armed tug. The model has sailed previously, but is presently only fitted with a motor, rudder servo and various wiring. It will of course need finishing in this respect. The build quality is excellent, and is as it should be, except for a little attention required to the
rigging
, as visible in the images. Also, the white I.D. decals are slightly flaking, on the port side ( now I am being picky, but that's about the extent of 'things to do'). I guess the initiated will know the spec. but if any further info is required, please do ask. I am open to very sensible offers for this, and the other boats that I will be releasing. I purchased a collection, to save them from a commercial brokerage, and to retain one for my own use, which is now the case. Please do ask any questions, or let me know if you need further images of any aspect of the craft. Of course, I will not post, and it will be advisable for a prospective buyer to view first. The boat is presently moored in South Manchester, with easy access from the motorway network. Best regards.
5 years ago by Davecounty
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Mickey finn
Has anyone any info on sail plan and
rigging
of Mickey Finn Class modrl yacht
5 years ago by 2shaws
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HMS EXETER
Cheers Doug for the compliment - she is 1:96 scale. I obtained the original plans from Greenwich maritime museum - the plans that they hold are as she was 'proposed to be built' in 1928 - the same as her sister ship HMS YORK - but amongst the drawings they supply are the correct hull lines - which are the ones I used for my hull - then I used literally thousands of images from all over the place to do the rest of the superstructure. Also, I used the aid of a small online plan of her
rigging
which shows a fair amount of superstructure detail of how she was built.
5 years ago by JOHN
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Any haberdashery shop will stock 'shirring elastic', perfect for
rigging
and it comes in brown,black,grey, white etc.๐
Peter
5 years ago by Rookysailor
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Gary
try looking on amazon i bought some last year for my Thames barge
good luck ๐
Bob
5 years ago by Northumbrian
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Give Cornwall Model Boats a try.
5 years ago by GaryLC
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Davits and falls
Hi Doug,
Happy New Year.
Boats all done and lashed down.
Dreadnought had multiple aerials slung between the masts. As far as I can make out they were connected onwards to a fitting just about at deck level right at the stern and also I think below the forward jack stay. I would have expected there to be connections down to the bridge or the housing forward of the after funnel. None of the photos I have are clear enough to show all the
rigging
, so some extent I am going to have to guess. She must have had signal halyards from presumably the main yard, but again where did they come down to. The bridge does not have much open space around the main house, so they must have come down to the upper bridge to presumably a rack? Any ideas?
I have fitted canvas dodgers around the bridge, but am not too happy with them. At this scale very difficult.
We have good shipbuilding weather, -12c at midday today. They are ice fishing on our lake.
Take care.
5 years ago by Gdaynorm
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Book on Sailing Barges
Chris, Thank for the information, I will look into that book.
I started in RC Boating but building and racing several classes of sailboats, including several US1Meter class. Being a much better builder than skipper, I was drawn to schooners that many club members had. Got interested in working sailcraft due to the history and the slower, power of these craft.
The Gaff Rigged Handbook by Jihn Leather is one of my favorite build guides. Yes, I really like Gaff
rigging
. This book was great for lots of
rigging
details and sails... See photo example.
Joe
5 years ago by Joe727
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Sailing Ship Peking
Hi Nerys,
Sometimes Wiki is better than Google๐
Hope this helps. Cheers, Doug ๐
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Peking_(ship)
"Refurbishment in Germany
On August 2, 2017, she was transferred to Peters Werft located at Wewelsfleth for a 3 year refurbishment at estimated cost of โฌ32 million:
New
rigging
New double floor steel plates
Dismounting of all masts, because these are too rotten
Docking in dry-dock and renewal of the steel structure
Removal of the cement that fills the lower three and a half metres of the Hull
The ship spent about a year in dry dock.
Peking was refloated on 07 September 2018 with Primer paint Hull.
She stayed on Peters Werft Pier for about 2 months and goes to dry dock again.
Teak will be reinstalled before she will be taken to Hamburg to the German Port Museum.
There might also be an opportunity to make her sail again."
Here the refloating (video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sriop2oV1w8
5 years ago by RNinMunich
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Scratch built yacht.
I am thinking of building a new sailing yacht from plans which I have yet to acquire. I have 8 A4 pages of drawings of a Goth-USOM from Frank Russell 2014, not sure where I got them from and if they are worthy of the time and effort.
The size is about right at 1000mm length and about 1500mm deck to masthead. I have had dealings with Nylet in the past and am sure they would be helpful for
rigging
, sails etc. I plan to plank build the hull onto wooden bulkheads.
Although I have built several model boat hulls using this method before I wonder if I could enlist some help or recommendations from any other members of this group ie choice of plans, how to do it books.
Many thanks Chris G
5 years ago by ChrisG
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Getting Close
Very interested in your experiences with this vessel - love to share more. I am currently scratch building one from the original kit plans but have used plank on frame construction and incorporated a detachable keel. Currently fitting the standing
rigging
.
Photo of my efforts attached
5 years ago by alan20
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HMS Campbeltown 1941, 1/96 scale
Almost complete. More
rigging
and detail required but should soon be ready for sea.
5 years ago by cormorant
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Deck beams & keel
Been glueing up the curved deck beams (one still in the jig) and laying them roughly in place but final position is going to be governed by mast position and hard points for the running and standing
rigging
most of which I have yet to establish.
Most of the keel is done but still needs plenty of sanding to get the foil profile right.
So next question is does anyone have knowledge on how to make my own sails. They will not be modern Mylar/scrim types as I am going for a semi vintage look. I've bought some white nylon cloth (about the grade you would make a holdall out of) now I need to learn how the get the right shape into the sail.
5 years ago by steve-d
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Mast fittings
I've sailed and re-rigged small full scale yachts and catamarans all my life and never seen a fitting like that. Perhaps it was put there as a halyard or stay 'tidy' for storage purposes? looks more like an upside down boat cover tie down clip or part of a latch. Perhaps try the door and lock section at your local hardware super store. Found this on google. As the other guys have said though, probably hand made. Usually, no
rigging
fittings on yachts have square edges unless they are part of a fitting.
6 years ago by jbkiwi
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Mast fittings
I'm in the process of researching running and standing
rigging
for a boat of mine. I've not seen one of those anywhere so I suspect it is hand made.
Closest i've seen.
https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000001.pl?WD=fitting%20forestay&PN=CAP%2dMaquettes%2dMetal%2dFitting%2dMast%2d23mm%2dCMG400%2ehtml#SID=2131
6 years ago by steve-d
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Mast fittings
Hope this helps I no expert but wikipedia explains it.
Standing
rigging
on a fore-and-aft rigged sailboat.
Key: 1. Forestay 2. Shroud 3. (Spreaders) 4. Backstay 5. inner forestay 6. Sidestay 7. (Boom) 8. Running backstays
6 years ago by mturpin013
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new sails
the other half has been a busy bee with her sewing machine so today i set about fully
rigging
her
6 years ago by jacko
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Vintage style yacht designed by ''Vic Smeed''
Any one interested in buying my Yacht ?
''Starlet'' Vintage style yacht designed by "Vic Smeed" all plywood construction, 11" beam x34" length, sail area 465 Sq inches. Complete with heavy duty sail arm large servo and rudder servo installed. Good sails although slightly marked and
rigging
.
Install a receiver ready to sail.ยฃ135
Best if collected in person. Located in West Surrey.
6 years ago by lhpen
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Cleaning sails, toy yachts, etc....
Useful to know about Vanish. it certainly worked on my Star yacht sails. Fortunately the sails on the Ailsa yacht are lovely anyway, just some new
rigging
cord required.
I would say the sails were the same as bed sheets.
I used some white spirit to clean the deck on the Ailsa. Most of the dirt being handling muck. Then I waxed it with 3M wax...twice. it's wonderful stuff which I bought for our historic narrowboat's new paintwork. it was a wooden boat and when I replaced the cabins and had painted them with Tra-mar Coatings hand made enamel paint, I waxed them with 3M's wax and they went another 3 winters before I sold the boat, with the rain still rolling off in beads.
The Ailsa is now waiting for some spar varnish over the repair's creamish paint. I couldn't match it perfectly, but I didn't want to repaint the whole hull. All the repairs are under the waterline so it shouldn't show.
The Star...I never heard of them using aluminium for masts. How would they have kept the
rigging
eyes in place?
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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PS Waverley
real gentleman who started selling timbers for modelmakers, but had to stop that as he got a sensitivity to the dust of woods, but he also had a range of amazingly good stuff for amazingly low prices, including various stanchions. I bought all the remaining portholes from him because I hate glazing portholes! I have tiny working compasses,
rigging
scissors, tiny woodscrews,
rigging
cord, bottle screws, all sorts from him and all cost me very little. Alas, health issues have caused him to cease trading and he has been flogging of his stock on ebay. A great loss.
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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Cleaning sails, toy yachts, etc....
Here's the sails. New
rigging
cord arrived today too.
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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Some pictures of the original sails and
rigging
, to my surprise the carbon fibre mast was in two sections, there is no mention of this in any manual or information regarding this boat.
It could be a replacement (Perhaps a fishing rod!).
6 years ago by CB90
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EarlyVosper M.T.B by Simplas
"Maybe but ballast ,is ballast,is ballast. However it's achieved."
Sure John, but at least a heavy battery is useful load and not 'just' ballast.๐
Have no idea what shaft power the Fuji produces (only know their excellent 35mm film๐) but the Taycol Supermarine is rated at 22.5mHP (22.5/1000HP) at 3.5A, 4000rpm. Efficiency 52% ๐ค so you have to stick twice as much electrical power in to achieve that!
Sooo, given that 1HP = 745.7 Watts -
And electrically P=IxV (Current x Volts)
22.5/1000HP = (745.7*22.5)/1000 = 16.778W so ~33.55W in.
Thus if I = 3.5A they must have done that test / measurement at about 9.6V. The Supermarine also runs great at 12V but maybe not with max efficiency!?
With a spec weight of 2&1/2 lb i don't even want to get into Power to Weight Ratio, although I measured Colin's motor at 947gm = 2.0877776229lb ๐
But then, some of the motor had corroded away
As I'm currently renovating a Supermarine for Colin H. This makes me start thinking about
rigging
up a test jig so I can see what it actually produces!!! Always up for a challenge ๐ Got nowt else to do ๐๐
Would be useful for other motors as well if I can get it figured out๐
Happy fiddlin' folks, cheers, Doug ๐
6 years ago by RNinMunich
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nearing completion!
So, I have managed to crack on quite a bit this week. Ive done a heap at work on nights this week, followed by near enough a whole weekend of no interuptions as the "long haired Segeant Major" has been at her parents for the weekend!๐
it took a couple of days to build the coxswains console out of balsa and alot of fettling with plastitube and sheet, very please with the outcome. its not 100% scale acurate as is the rest of the model, but close enough to give a good representation of the wheelhouse contents. Just the Coxswain and seat to build and paint for a completed wheelhouse.
The rest of the weekend has seen the cockpit just about finished, painted and laquered.
So, to complete the model the following items need to be built, painted and fitted. Radar mount and radar, instrument dials, cockpit glazing, antenna mast and
rigging
, towing bitt, rear cockpit railing and winch, hull grab ropes, anchor, and finally about 2 kilos of lead ballast to get her sitting right on the water. I reckon another week to 10 days for a completed model!
6 years ago by Skydive130
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Emerald - ''Round the Word'' ocean racing yacht.
Purchased new in kit form, from Robbe. 1998.
Specifications:-
Overall length: 1380mm.
Overall beam: 360 mm.
Draught: 300 mm.
Mast height: 1800 mm.
Overall height: 2200 mm.
Standard sail area: 80 square dm.
Sail area with Genoa: 94 square dm.
Total displacement: 12 kg.
Ballast: 8 kg.
Scale: 1:10
Control
Robbe Futaba F14 Marine transmitter / receiver.
Channel 1 - Rudder servo.
Channel 2 - Spare.
Channel 3 - Genoa sail servo.
Genoa switch module - fitted between the stick potentiometer
and the transmitter channel 3 Socket.
(Reverses the Genoa sail servo for Port or
Starboard tack.)
Channel 4 - Main sail servo.
Channel 5 - Auxiliary 3 position switch - up position.
Channel 6 - Auxiliary 3 position switch - down position.
Receiver channel 5 - Mono Memory relay module. To drive the
Blister motor out, to raise the Genoa Sail Clew.
Receiver channel 6 - Mono Memory relay module. To drive the
Blister motor in, to tighten the Genoa Sail Clew.
Recently recovered from the back of the shed, where it has been in hibernation. Now I am retired and have some free time, it is under a review and refurbishment. New paint on the deck and upper hull (above the waterline). Solid state relay modules added, to replace the micro switches, operated from a cam on a servo (replacing analogue channel 2 with on/off channels 5 and 6).
Pictures show the sea trials after the 10 year hibination.
The Genoa Module had failed in the carbon potentiometers. No replacement available, so found a local electronics repairers, who changed the potentiometers for ยฃ10.00.
The carrying cradle was designed to hold the sails, and secure the yacht while
rigging
at the waters edge. Also acts as a dry dock, while working inside the hull.
When the repaired module is fitted, and the Genoa sail is operational, I will post detailed video of the Genoa sail winch and Blister motor and their operation while sailing.
Genoa Sail Pictures added.
6 years ago by East-RN
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Crew Arrived!
Afternoon Ed,
I have a similar type of novelty / souvenir shop model on the shelf above my desk. it's the Mayflower. Bought it in Portugal years ago.
Pain in the neck to get the dust off the sails and
rigging
๐ก
Happy crew hunting. Lucky to have two such stores within striking distance. Cheers, Doug ๐
6 years ago by RNinMunich
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Victoria (vintage )
First sail with temp sails and
rigging
6 years ago by jacko
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Norfolk Wherry Fans
If it's a Dutch barge, finish it as one. I reckon the large handkerchief idea would do, Or piece of shirting fabric. You can glue the edges to look like seams. Glue a piece of thin
rigging
cord in as a bolt rope.
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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Hellen Fishing Boat
Hi All
Masts all set in and started on the
rigging
!!!
Ask my good wife to make some sails for the boat.
Canabus
6 years ago by canabus
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HMS HOOD by Trumpeter
Almost at he end of what has been a long, sometimes frustrating, but very satisfying build.
As the masts and spars are very thin, using my usual fishing line as
rigging
was going to cause problems with getting anything like the correct tension.
What I ended up with was 0.45mm nickel silver rod. The fineness of the rod gave it a natural 'sag' for radio aerials and it is rigid enough for stays and supports.
Hope someone finds this useful.
Steve
6 years ago by cormorant
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Build manual/ instructions
Ah, OK, Ron. in that case I'm afraid I can't help you, but I wish you luck. The
rigging
should be fairly standard. I have Ewart Freeston's book on making static models of them I could check things in that if you need.
Cheers,
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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Build manual/ instructions
It needs a complete refit Martin , fittings are missing the
rigging
is in a right mess with broken mast ect.
I'm not a big fan of these boats but doing it as a favour for a club member.
I have found plans online for a Thames barge which at a push I could possibly use.
6 years ago by kmbcsecretary
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drum sail winch questions...
Haverlock,
wouldn't bowsies run the risk of slipping?
I was thinking of using brass tube (although they would have to be slit first now as I have done all the knot tying I want to)!
I guess I should first find where the sail winch servo wants to centre itself, then I can mark the string and put crimps on for the
rigging
cord.
Thanks, folks.
Cheers,
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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Bristol pilot cutter mascotte
Thanks Doug for your kind words, looks like you have a big job on there Doug and if need help with the
rigging
I would be more than happy to help were I can
6 years ago by kmbcsecretary
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Bristol pilot cutter mascotte
Brillo ๐ Hat off Sir ๐
May be asking your help some time about re-
rigging
the mess of a fish cutter I inherited. Just took her apart and started renovating the hull.
Wotta mess ๐ค๐ฒ More filler than wood and stern made from a cardboard tape reel ๐ก Last pic is roughly what she should look like!
6 years ago by RNinMunich
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Bristol pilot cutter mascotte
Have got the main sail finally fitted after some minor length adjustment on some of the
rigging
Pic 1 shows the hand made curtain rings made using 1mm brass rod.
Pic 2 shows mid way through threading the rope along the boom.
Ron
6 years ago by kmbcsecretary
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10 Rater
Apologies in advance if this posts twice!
I thought it went through before,.....but.....
I now have this lovely boat, (A 10 Rater, I believe)
No rudder, sails,
rigging
, or booms.
Can anyone shed light on whether I have correctly identified it, and maybe someone recognises the name?
Looking for spares to restore her to the water.
Regards,
Brian.
6 years ago by misterbee
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Bristol pilot cutter mascotte
Today i have made a start fitting the sails starting with the jib and stay sail just have the sail control wire to fix to them.
it has taken most of today just to fit these two as some changes had to be made to some of the
rigging
lines i had already done but this is my fault trying to get to far ahead of myself rather than being patient.
6 years ago by kmbcsecretary
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Bristol pilot cutter mascotte
Ships boat continued
The ships boat is almost complete now have got the floor and seats fixed in place ready for sanding and sealing.
have got some more of the
rigging
completed just a few more bits to do before fitting the sails.
thanks Doug for your kind words
6 years ago by kmbcsecretary
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Radio in a yacht
Hi all,
Whilst I can make almost anything, I have absolutely no idea how to install modern R/C gear in a model, much less a yacht.
I have an Orange Rx which has 6 channels for some reason, but I only need 2. BTW, when did functions become channels? I grew up with proportional being 2 channels per function. Anyway, that's a 2.4 doodah. I have a GWS sail winch a drum jobbie. I also have a few different servos for the rudder, but I don't know what voltage they are. I will stuff 4 pen cells in a holder and therefore get 4.8 volts, is that right? This will all fit a treat on a removable piece of ply which I can secure with a slider at one end and a wingnut at tother. Said ply with all gear will slide through the main companionway with that item removed.
So, how do I know which servos will work for steering? Will they work with a 2.4 Gg set? Or must I buy new? Will the Rx be OK sited near the battery pack and servos? And how the hell does one "bind" the Tx to the Rx? I've had the Tx for 3 years and it ain't yet out of its box. It's a Spektrum Dx5e. I'm using NiMhs in the battery pack as I don't understand LiPos and will only be using the yacht occasionally. And I can charge NiMhs with a wall charger. I have fancy metallic blue thing that does everything, but the Chenglish instructions defeated me, so it hasn't been out of its box either. (Get the impression I ain't big on working models, folks?)
Any info/instructions/encouragement gratefully recieved.
And anything helpful about
rigging
the damned thing under the deck is welcome too! No idea where to start there. I have very limited space through companionways and deck lights which are all removable, but smallish, if evenly spaced.
Cheers,
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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Vanity, Victorian Cutter
Thanks, I used to make top end model furniture for the Home Miniaturists. it's my way of finding a connection with my cabinet maker Granddad, who was a big model boat fan too, in fact he was a founder member of the Victoria Model Steamboat Club.
She is 48x9x11 plus bowsprit. Height of rig is about 4 feet also.
And yes the fitting on the keel is a piece of ally box section cut in half so it becomes U section, drilled through at equal spacing for the fin keel. Then the U section is screwed with brass screws and Marineflex sealer/adhesive to the keel, which is all solid hardwood. I did my sums and gave up, so once she was waterproof I put her in my son's fish pond and kept piling stuff in until she floated on her marks.
rigging
won't be that heavy, but I made an allowance for it. Once it was floating right it turned out to need 14 1/2lbs. of ballast. BUT, that's inside. On the end of a 15" inch(ish) fin it will be less. I have 2 half bulbs cast by my other son in his back garden from my patterns. They will be bolted to the fin and faired in.
Cheers,
Martin
6 years ago by Westquay
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Bristol pilot cutter mascotte
That looks great.You certainly work faster than I do.I'm not much in the
rigging
department.Maybe in the future I'll try.Again,good job.
6 years ago by Donnieboy
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Bristol pilot cutter mascotte
At last 95% of the
rigging
is now complete and I can now announce that it's ready to start fitting the sails ๐ I do still need to decide how to attach the sails so I can de-sail her for transportation.
6 years ago by kmbcsecretary