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    Suhaili
    There have always been two small boat trips that I have been inspired by, the first is Shackletonโ€™s trip โ€œSouthโ€ and the other is Robin Knox Johnsonโ€™s round the world trip in his 32 foot Suhaili. This race was recreated in 2018 and again now in 2022. Not feeling confident about joining in I decided to have ago at making a model of Suhaili. The hull is based on the Bearospace Emma but with a modified deck and rig. The finished boat seems to sail very well and is remarkably balanced. There is a bowsie on each of the three sheets, so the relative sheeting angle can be adjusted and after an initial sail, a slight easing of the jib meant the boat tracked along quite nicely. The sheets are controlled by an arm, which only just gives enough travel. The sails are my first attempt at โ€œhome madeโ€, the battens are very thin plastic strip, perhaps a touch too thin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7RcsuXsPVg The video shows the boat sailing at Fleetwood, excuse any filming or sailing issues - it's difficult to do both at the same time.
    Katie - Bristol Pilot Cutter
    Katie is a 1/12 scale Bristol Pilot Cutter, built from a GRP hull obtained from Sarik Hobbies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0XM8kTU32c
    Bearospace - Flyer
    The Bearospace boats are great to build and there are plenty of videos on YouTube to help. The Flyer design uses two winches, one for the main and another for the jibs. This makes it great to sail. The top sail and front "flying" jib are easy to remove so it can be sailed in stronger winds. There has been some other impressive models built to this design.
    Moonbeam - sailing yacht
    Moonbeam is a kit from Dave Metcalfe. It makes a classic looking yacht, which sails very well in light winds. However, the rigging has been set up so it is easy to remove the top sail and front jib, so it can be sailed in stronger winds.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "J Class Yacht "
    17 days ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    A proper yacht, if only all sailing boats were so elegant.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Suhaili
    1 month ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Another good read is Australia the Hard Way by David Pyle. He and his crew sail a Drascombe Lugger to Australia, unsupported in 1968. The lugger is a 18 foot open boat. His book was reprinted a few years ago.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Katie, aka Three Daughters
    1 month ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    I like how you have thought about using the battery as part of the ballast. I routed the main sheet up through the deck just behind the mast up to the boom and along to a block at the end of the boom, then down to the top of the transom. It seems to work ok, but as the boom is quite long, there is need for quite a bit of travel on the winch.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Katie, aka Three Daughters
    1 month ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Really pleased to see another Katie and look forward to seeing it sailing.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Suhaili
    1 month ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    There have always been two small boat trips that I have been inspired by, the first is Shackletonโ€™s trip โ€œSouthโ€ and the other is Robin Knox Johnsonโ€™s round the world trip in his 32 foot Suhaili. This race was recreated in 2018 and again now in 2022. Not feeling confident about joining in I decided to have ago at making a model of Suhaili. The hull is based on the Bearospace Emma but with a modified deck and rig.
    The finished boat seems to sail very well and is remarkably balanced. There is a bowsie on each of the three sheets, so the relative sheeting angle can be adjusted and after an initial sail, a slight easing of the jib meant the boat tracked along quite nicely. The sheets are controlled by an arm, which only just gives enough travel. The sails are my first attempt at โ€œhome madeโ€, the battens are very thin plastic strip, perhaps a touch too thin.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7RcsuXsPVg

    The video shows the boat sailing at Fleetwood, excuse any filming or sailing issues - it's difficult to do both at the same time.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Boat Show
    1 month ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    I've only been making model boats for 18 months but can recommend

    http://www.bearospaceindustries.com/boats2.html

    The Emma design is a great boat and the designer, Gary, does some YouTube videos that are really helpful

    On a different note - the lake at Lytham is quite sheltered. If you want a more exposed and windier spot - head along the coast to Fleetwood.

    https://fleetwoodmypbc.org.uk/
    http://www.bearospaceindustries.com/boats2.html
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    ๐Ÿ“ Boat Show
    1 month ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    An associated issue related to the level of interest, is the skills required for scratch building, or even from some kits.

    There has been a recent growth in โ€œready to useโ€ products.

    There is a pleasure in building something yourself, even if itโ€™s not perfect, and seeing it working. I wonder if many are missing out on this, through the purchase of completed models and are the required skills therefore being lost?
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    ๐Ÿ“ Gaff rigged cutter Antares by Krick
    1 month ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Look forward to seeing it sailing and how the winches work. Iโ€™d made one of the Flyer models and two winches worked fine. The one controlling the jib, would let out one sheet while pulling the other side in. Used the same system on the Katie pilot cutter I built seems quite reliable

    Good luck
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    2 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Roy

    I feel for your position. Youโ€™d think of all places, the Lake District, would have somewhere to sail. Not certain where you are based but feel lucky being within 30 minutes drive of Fleetwood, the council seems to see the boating pond as a good resource and keeps it good condition, which means thereโ€™s an active club.
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    2 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Iโ€™ve come to the conclusion that making and sailing model boats in a non competitive environment is very much a minority activity, which is a shame and Iโ€™m not certain why. The racing side of model yachting seems well organised by the MYA and well done to them. Looking at club websites most show some photos of boats sailing, so there is some interest out there.

    Not certain if thereโ€™s a solution but do wonder if Model Boats magazine could make more of an effort to include some โ€œsailingโ€ content and wonder why there isnโ€™t a regular update/news from the MYA. It would be a start.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Boat Show
    2 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Went along on Saturday morning. It seemed busy, which was good to see. Bought a few materials and some tools, there a good range of trade. I paid on the door, all seemed to work well, good level of staffing. Had a look at the bring n buy but wasnโ€™t tempted. The show also included RC trucks, which would attract a wider range of visitors. Enough space around stands to move around.

    As a โ€œsailingโ€ enthusiast there was not so much of interest. An impressive pilot cutter on one club stand, but couldnโ€™t see how well it would sail, as the sheets seemed fixed and didnโ€™t manage to talk to anyone on the stand. Impressive J class stand, super models, one day Iโ€™m sure a purchase will be made. They were also showing a new Folkboat model. A few sailing boats on other club stands. Am not into racing but no sign of the MYA. Good display by RNLI.

    Perhaps building sailing boats is a minority activity, therefore not much representation. Don't buy model boats magazine, why would I?

    Well done for putting it on. However, the catering was poor and this may be out of the organisers control. Coffee in cardboard and chocolate from a machine! It was interesting to see that one of the advertisers in the show guide was the local fish n chip shop! I think they may have done good business.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Mechanism
    3 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Fantastic

    Just love it !
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    ๐Ÿ“ Building Katie
    3 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    โ€ฆa poor sleeper, rather than a none sleeperโ€ฆ

    It must be an age thing!
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    ๐Ÿ“ Building Katie
    3 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hi

    Iโ€™d really encourage you to continue building your Katie, it does make a great model and youโ€™d made such a good start. Including an auxiliary motor which was looking good. Iโ€™m sorry that my posting has had a negative influence, as Iโ€™m far from an experienced model maker.

    My model is far from โ€œdisplayโ€ quality and is made to sail, which i feel is the important aspect to any model. The conditions at Fleetwood can get โ€œlumpyโ€.

    There is considerable pleasure is making and then actually sailing a boat. Please keep going, there is a need for more sailing boats being built. Itโ€™s an aspect that seems to be ignored by Model Boats magazine.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Emma
    3 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Pleasing to see another "Emma" afloat - there could be a "meeting" sometime - all the boats together.

    Yours looks great - well done. They do sail very well in both light winds and a breeze.
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    4 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Thanks
    The wind was quite light for the most recent video, it doesnโ€™t seem to take much of a โ€œpuffโ€ to get the boat moving.

    The lake at Fleetwood is right on the coast, so too much wind is a regular occurrence and can be a problem.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Charts
    4 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    As a owner of a full size boat, this information has been shared around that community.

    A chart/map and pencil doesnโ€™t โ€œgo wrongโ€ and stop working.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Katie - Bristol Pilot Cutter
    4 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Best wishes and I hope someone comes forward, it would be a shame if after your hard work that it doesnโ€™t then sail.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Katie - Bristol Pilot Cutter
    4 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Katie is a 1/12 scale Bristol Pilot Cutter, built from a GRP hull obtained from Sarik Hobbies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0XM8kTU32c
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    ๐Ÿ“ Final Trim
    4 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    During the last week I moved some more ballast towards the stern and am much happier now with the trim of the boat. I think this is the final change that's needed. Just need to resolve the issue of a "skipper" and perhaps think of a few other details such as an anchor.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0XM8kTU32c
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    ๐Ÿ“ Excited
    5 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Look forward to seeing some photos
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    ๐Ÿ“ Katie Sailing
    5 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    These are some photos from a couple of recent sails - the more recent ones, were taken on a overcast day, with more wind than I'd expected.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: The dinghy
    5 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Thanks Hammer, an interesting idea, which Iโ€™ve not heard of before.
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    ๐Ÿ“ The dinghy
    5 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    The new hatch cover has been made, with some planking so it fits with the rest of the deck. There are four small eyes in place, which look realistic if the hatch cover is used alone. However, there is a cradle that fits into these and then the dinghy is tied down. I think on the full sized (real boats) the dinghy was stored fore/aft but if I did that on the model it would interfere with the jib sheets, that's why its been mounted "sideways"

    It would be good to find a suitable figure to act as a helm. However, the tiller does swing round and could get in the way (the helm would move in real life) and also the boom could cause some problems - which is also problem in real life but most people remember to duck !

    I'll try and get it out sailing asap - however it is looking quite windy for the next few days.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    6 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Thanks Hammer - the idea of making a boat from planks, in a traditional manner, certainly does appeal - perhaps over the winter I'll take some time and make a small boat.

    "I must try harder"
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    6 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Derek

    As soon as I mention that MB magazine has little content about sailing, then there is an article about building a BPC.

    Itโ€™s great to be proved wrong, letโ€™s hope that continues!
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    6 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Derek - Before Katie, I built a "Flyer" BPC designed by Gary Webb - Bearospace, (see photos) he has an excellent range of designs and YouTube videos to help. The design certainly encouraged me to look at how to use two winches. Have only been "model boating" for 18 months but do sail a full size boat. The priority for me is that any model should sail well and be robust enough to be used in a reasonable wind. Yes it needs to have some details but not so delicate that it can only taken out on "sunny calm" days.

    The only references that I could find - were from Muskrat (Jon) on this forum and Graham93 who built a stunning Flyer model.

    However, a very useful blog of a BPC build can be found @

    https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6609...

    Its always good to hear about "traditional" style sailing boats being built and look forward to seeing more. If Model Boats magazine is meant to provide an insight to the world of model boat building - then we (traditional boats) don't exist, even the MYA, which seem to do a good job at organising the racing side of things gets little coverage. However, you may disagree as my only experience of MB magazine is the occasional purchase and "flick" through in Tesco's !
    https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,66099.0.html
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    6 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Good luck Derek and looking forward to hearing from you about your boat

    Iโ€™d be very interested in hearing about others.

    The drawings provided minimum guidance.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    6 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Hammer, thanks for your confidence in my abilities but the โ€œplasticโ€ dinghy was an easy choice. However Iโ€™m still not certain it will fit, so I may have to make one yet.

    Was yours from a drawing?
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    6 months ago by AndyB ( Warrant Officer)
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    Thanks Roy
    Look forward to seeing your BPC, they are very appealing boats. When making Katie I did wonder about the rudder and if it would be big enough, realising that some models have an "additional" lower piece to the the rudder. However, the trim I've done is only a couple of mm's, so it shouldn't make any real difference. Good tip for the weighted sheet - I'll think about that.

    I had put all the lead in the centre of the boat and tested it in the bath but should have considered about keeping the bow a touch high. I'll do another sail at some point and post some snaps.
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