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    Bearospace - Flyer
    The Bearospace boats are great to build and there are plenty of videos on YouTube to help. The Flyer design uses two winches, one for the main and another for the jibs. This makes it great to sail. The top sail and front "flying" jib are easy to remove so it can be sailed in stronger winds. There has been some other impressive models built to this design.
    Moonbeam - sailing yacht
    Moonbeam is a kit from Dave Metcalfe. It makes a classic looking yacht, which sails very well in light winds. However, the rigging has been set up so it is easy to remove the top sail and front jib, so it can be sailed in stronger winds.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    11 days ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Hammer - the idea of making a boat from planks, in a traditional manner, certainly does appeal - perhaps over the winter I'll take some time and make a small boat.

    "I must try harder"
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    12 days ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Derek

    As soon as I mention that MB magazine has little content about sailing, then there is an article about building a BPC.

    Itโ€™s great to be proved wrong, letโ€™s hope that continues!
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    13 days ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Derek - Before Katie, I built a "Flyer" BPC designed by Gary Webb - Bearospace, (see photos) he has an excellent range of designs and YouTube videos to help. The design certainly encouraged me to look at how to use two winches. Have only been "model boating" for 18 months but do sail a full size boat. The priority for me is that any model should sail well and be robust enough to be used in a reasonable wind. Yes it needs to have some details but not so delicate that it can only taken out on "sunny calm" days.

    The only references that I could find - were from Muskrat (Jon) on this forum and Graham93 who built a stunning Flyer model.

    However, a very useful blog of a BPC build can be found @

    https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6609...

    Its always good to hear about "traditional" style sailing boats being built and look forward to seeing more. If Model Boats magazine is meant to provide an insight to the world of model boat building - then we (traditional boats) don't exist, even the MYA, which seem to do a good job at organising the racing side of things gets little coverage. However, you may disagree as my only experience of MB magazine is the occasional purchase and "flick" through in Tesco's !
    https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,66099.0.html
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    13 days ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Good luck Derek and looking forward to hearing from you about your boat

    Iโ€™d be very interested in hearing about others.

    The drawings provided minimum guidance.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    14 days ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hammer, thanks for your confidence in my abilities but the โ€œplasticโ€ dinghy was an easy choice. However Iโ€™m still not certain it will fit, so I may have to make one yet.

    Was yours from a drawing?
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: "Mods"
    16 days ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Roy
    Look forward to seeing your BPC, they are very appealing boats. When making Katie I did wonder about the rudder and if it would be big enough, realising that some models have an "additional" lower piece to the the rudder. However, the trim I've done is only a couple of mm's, so it shouldn't make any real difference. Good tip for the weighted sheet - I'll think about that.

    I had put all the lead in the centre of the boat and tested it in the bath but should have considered about keeping the bow a touch high. I'll do another sail at some point and post some snaps.
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    ๐Ÿ“ "Mods"
    16 days ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Yesterday - Wednesday, club day - I sailed Katie again, in an increasing wind and really should have left the top sail off. This second sail did show up some issues that needed addressing, so today had a look at some "Mods".

    1) The rudder is slightly lower than the keel, which makes putting the boat down awkward. So removed it and trimmed the bottom so it was slightly above the keel line.

    2) If the mainsheet is let out to quickly or in light winds, the slack inside the hull can get caught around the corner of the lower mast step. So added a small piece of wood to prevent this. A rope will catch always on anything it can !

    3) I'd temporally added a small amount lead shot - about 3/4lb - to the stern area and this was just enough to left the bow, so have made this permanent, by dropping it in the rear with the boat lifted up at an angle and fixing it with some resin. This puts it at the lowest and most rear part of the boat.

    In hindsight, I should have added around 3/4 of the lead ballast, sailed the boat and then made an assessment of its trim. However, this small addition does seem to have made the difference.

    4) The jack spar, tended to fall off slightly, so made a set of jaws form brass, just to hold it vertical.

    Have started to make another centre hatch cover, which will be planked as the deck and forehatch. Decided to order some wood to complete this, as I needed some other materials for another project.

    Sarik models also sell a couple of plastic vacuum formed dinghies, the smaller is 9 inches long. So far have just trimmed the moulding but it does look like it might fit - however, will need to consider how to simulate the interior. Perhaps some plastic strips but it will need to be a painted finish - hopefully at least the gunwales can be wooden.

    https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/plastic-clinker-rowing-...
    https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/plastic-clinker-rowing-dinghy-hulls-9-13-white-plastic-hips/
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: First Sail
    17 days ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Stephen

    I did want to try and make it sail without a false keel. I sailed it again today, in slightly more wind. Once the boat gets going its fine - but as it tacks and before it picks up speed you can see some "side ways" movement, before the keel "bites" and the boat is then on course.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: First Sail
    17 days ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Jon, please finish yours and get it afloat, it would be wonderful to have both sailing together?
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: First Sail
    17 days ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Roy, it tacks fine but the jib winch takes a few seconds to get the sheets in tight on the new side. There is quite a long travel to ensure the windward sheet is loose.

    Iโ€™ll be interested in how well it performs in more wind, especially sailing downwind, when I can see that the boat may broach.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: First Sail
    18 days ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Graham

    Iโ€™ve tried a small amount of lead shot (wrapped in a bag)in the stern, tested in the bath. Pulls the bow up and will try it afloat tomorrow.
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    ๐Ÿ“ First Sail
    18 days ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    So today was launch day - a gentle breeze and all went well. Trying to take photos & video and sail the boat, with only two pairs of hands is a bit of challenge, especially when tacking and trying to get the jibs across to the new side.

    A couple of things which did come to light. There was some "play" in the rudder system, which was easily solved by using the screw adjusters on the servo.

    Some of the halyards need a slight "tweek" - just to pull the sails a touch tighter.

    On a couple of occasions the mainsheet got wrapped around the rudder stock, this happened when gybing and not pulling the sheet in at all. The tiller goes through the head of the rudder and protrudes slightly out, so I've trimmed this so its nearly flush. Sailing again tomorrow will see if this provides a solution.

    Although the boat floats level to the waterline, once going downwind the bow does start to bury - which is to be expected. Perhaps I should have trimmed it slightly stern down. Removing ballast from the bow area is really not feasible but adding a small amount in the stern might solve this. I'll do a test in the bath.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiHsuJrUIn0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiHsuJrUIn0
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    ๐Ÿ“ Loading photos
    19 days ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    thanks - working here as well
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    20 days ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    I've just tried and have the same problem ?

    Advice please - always worked before

    thanks
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    ๐Ÿ“ Final Test
    20 days ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Have finished to the point where "we can go sailing". The final float test showed the boat just above the waterline, which is fine and when pulled over the boat seemed to right itself easily. The centre hatch really needs to be made from the planking material but there isn't enough leftover from doing the deck, so I'll either have to obtain some more or think of another solution. There are also several details, such as the anchor, that will need to be added, although the previously mentioned commode will not be one of them !

    The weather is quite windy at the moment but later in the week it drops off - ideal for a "maiden voyage".
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: The Rigging
    2 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Jon
    I would be great to see both boats out on the water sailing together.
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    ๐Ÿ“ The Rigging
    2 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Have started the rigging. Wanted to check how well the jibs would work, checking to see there was enough travel in the sheets, to ensure that it would be possible to move the jib from one side to another, as the boat tacked. In fact there was far too much travel, if I used the full length of the winch/track. I'll leave things as they are for now but may reduce the travel (end points) once having actually used the boat on the water.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Fisher 44
    2 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Looks a good and useful piece of kit. Like the light mounted above the blade, excellent idea.
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    ๐Ÿ“ The Winch
    2 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    The winch does work but think I'll not add an actual anchor and chain yet. The aim is to get it sailing and finer details can be added later. Another area for development, would be the central hatch, which really needs to be made from planking and a dinghy added, as this would have been used to carry the pilot over to another vessel that needed guiding into port.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Rudder Fitting
    2 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Did another flotation test, with servos and batteries in place, which showed I needed to move some of the ballast forward, as the stern was definitely sitting down, also removed some, so the total is about 6.5 Kg.

    Once the rudder, cockpit and companionway were added I realised the tiller was really to long, so this needs shortening.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Ballast
    2 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    I added the shroud plates, just bolted in place with M2 stainless hex heads. The shroud plates should be black - did think of painting but this would not be durable and would start to look "tatty".

    I've got 7.8Kg of lead, most in shot form. Added 7Kg of it and fixed in place with some resin. Once cured I'll use the remaining lead to trim the hull. However, even with all the lead the hull still floats above the water line. Perhaps after some "sea trials" some more ballast could be added.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Cockpit and Companionway
    2 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Stephen/Gary - it was a bit of a fiddle, due to the curved back and the need to make both parts removable, as well as keeping the water out. I'm not certain how else I could have made it - but would be open to any suggestions.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Painting
    2 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Graham
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    ๐Ÿ“ Painting
    2 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    The final colour scheme reflects a more contemporary style, but should look appealing once on the water. The masking went quite well, just a need for a slight tidy up in a small number of areas/corners.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Some finishing details
    2 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    The belaying pins are currently just 2mm dia brass rod, which are functional but there is a need to make some that are more realistic. There will also be the need for some more cleats, perhaps on the side of the mast but need to ensure that any additions do not provide a source for the jib sheets to catch. The shroud plates will be painted black and held in place by 2mm hex head bolts.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Cockpit and Companionway
    2 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Making the cockpit and companionway did prove a little bit of a challenge. Both need to be removable, the on/off switch is under the companionway. Wanted some details, hence the indication of handles on the doors, but did forget to scribe the seat surface, to indicate individual planks. Some boats had a commode under the seat, so the helm did not need to leave his post - perhaps something to model in a future project !

    Some boats paint the panels on the side of the companionway white. I might cut some paper to fit and see what this would look like before actual painting.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Sloop Emma
    2 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2990671-Bearo...

    On the RCgroups Emma thread - Gary the designer - discusses different lengths of keel.
    https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2990671-Bearospace-Sloop-EMMA/page5#post39042999
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    ๐Ÿ“ Capping
    3 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    The capping pieces were initially glued in place to the bulwarks with Titebond 3. Then a fillet of West Epoxy was added to the outside of the hull, blending the underside of the capping into the hull.

    Its only had one coat of varnish so far and there was a need to use a very short brush to get to the underside of the capping. Some light sanding and more coats of varnish are now needed. There is also a need to make small cutouts for the shroud plates to fit flush with the hull.

    Think the final colour scheme will be - dark blue top sides, white water line and red undercoat for below the water line.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Hatches
    3 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Varnish
    Certainly several thinned coats and perhaps the final couple straight from the tin
    Ronseal Yacht Varnish from B&Q
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Sail making
    3 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Watched the video of your boat sailing
    Looks great and sails really well
    Will/can you race it?
    Are there similar designs to compete against?
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