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Sangsetia
Hello, I have been off the air for a good 18 months, A move to Vancouver Island from the mainland, and working on the house has taken up much of our time, enjoyable and rewarding as it was. The story so far
Enough of that. I set out to build a David Metcalf model of the Sangsetia. I ran into all kinds of issues, and if I'm honest I probably should have started with a kit. After redrawing the ribs I restarted the build, and most of the hull has been planked. Then the move to the island. My initial plan was to build the hull in wood and then draw in CAD the fittings and 3D print them. Surgery last October had me doing nothing until the end of January 25.
In that time I decided to draw the hull and fittings and a JPG will show the progress to date.
Its a labour of love, which has given me much pleasure and satisfaction. Boats are challenging to draw. I am using Alibre software.It is my aim to print the hull, and what you see is the sections.
Here's my problem, and I am asking for help from boat modellers with many more years of experience than I have.
I have been researching the Sangsetia, and I can find precious little about her. The avenues I have pursued have led me to a dead end. A chap on Model Boat Mayhem went this route years ago, and the information he shared stated that the plans are inaccurate, and much of the detail incorrect. That being said has anyone have pictures of the Sangsetia. Please note, I have photos from the Malayasian Police Facebook, so that bridge has been crossed. Can anyone please suggest any other avenues I could pursue. I thank you in advance.
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Hello Guy, thank you very much for the scan it's perfect. Please extend a grateful thanks on my behalf to your daughter Emily, for taking the trouble to make this all happen, I really appreciate the help you have given me. I hope in some way I can help you and repay the kindness you have shown to me.
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You're right Colin. I believe I'm right in saying that next to the River Severn the Taw is up there as being one of the fastest flowing rivers in the UK. It must made for an eventful time for the bargemen.
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Hi Doug, yes I have that one. When you start digging into this vessel, you start to see that each one of these PX class vessels is different. The hulls have similarities, but when you look at the wheelhouse/ bridge and deck equipment you're lucky if you find two alike.
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Thank you very much. It's a very small photo, I don't know how much detail you will get though. But thank you for trying.
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I've done a bit more poking about, and came across a website called internet archives. It's basically a huge library. I was lucky enough to find a photo of the Sangsetia, in the book Combat fleets of the world 1976/77. The photo is not great, however it does give me some idea of what should be present and what should not. I wasn't able to download the photo, so had to be content with a camera shot. It's better than nothing at all. For those looking for information on certain vessels, you might be lucky to gleen information from a site like this.
Anyway, I thought I would share my findings
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๐ Sangsetia
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Further to my last post. Thank you to those members that provided me with suggestions and their input.
Another request please. Do any of the members have in their possession a copy of the book
"Combat fleets of the world. 1976-1977"
My digging around has found that a couple of pictures exist in this book. It might come under "Malaysian" or Malaya, The boat might be known as Sangsetia, Sangsetta or PX11 if someone could post or message me those pictures I would be extremely grateful.
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Thank you for your input. These are pictures of the model . From my digging around it appears they are inaccurate.
A video on the PX class vessels of which the Sangsetia belongs, a couple of shots of the wheelhouse are shown, and they are very different than the model. It appears the original plans were drawn from a small photo, and it's an interpretation, and not truly a scale model.
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๐ Sangsetia
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Hello, I have been off the air for a good 18 months, A move to Vancouver Island from the mainland, and working on the house has taken up much of our time, enjoyable and rewarding as it was. The story so far
Enough of that. I set out to build a David Metcalf model of the Sangsetia. I ran into all kinds of issues, and if I'm honest I probably should have started with a kit. After redrawing the ribs I restarted the build, and most of the hull has been planked. Then the move to the island. My initial plan was to build the hull in wood and then draw in CAD the fittings and 3D print them. Surgery last October had me doing nothing until the end of January 25.
In that time I decided to draw the hull and fittings and a JPG will show the progress to date.
Its a labour of love, which has given me much pleasure and satisfaction. Boats are challenging to draw. I am using Alibre software.It is my aim to print the hull, and what you see is the sections.
Here's my problem, and I am asking for help from boat modellers with many more years of experience than I have.
I have been researching the Sangsetia, and I can find precious little about her. The avenues I have pursued have led me to a dead end. A chap on Model Boat Mayhem went this route years ago, and the information he shared stated that the plans are inaccurate, and much of the detail incorrect. That being said has anyone have pictures of the Sangsetia. Please note, I have photos from the Malayasian Police Facebook, so that bridge has been crossed. Can anyone please suggest any other avenues I could pursue. I thank you in advance.
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Hi,
I have started drawing my fittings and 3D printing them. The absence of a lathe and milling machine these days, means this is the way I have to address things. I have modelled a 20mm Oerlikon on its mount and printed the mount. It hasn't been cleaned up yet but I hope you get the idea from my hasty photography also. It is in 1/24 scale. If you would like a drawing I can whistle you up one.
I draw in metric to avoid weird imperial dimensions
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๐ What drawing software do you use?
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You're welcome, Trev, just have fun with whatever you try, Paul
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๐ What drawing software do you use?
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Excellent, Don't sell yourself short when it comes to learning something new. You might be surprised how quickly you pick this up.
Just my opinion, but I believe it does us good no matter what our ages are, to try and experience new things in our lives, and what you are doing is a prime example. Well done.
I personally have not used Fusion 360, but know of chaps that run the full-blown version to design,draw and run 5 Axis Machining centres, they love it. Obtaining things for free is great and I am onboard with doing the very same thing, I don't know what features are missing from the free version, I will be interested to hear how you are progressing in the coming weeks.
I mentioned in my previous post on the software I currently use and have been since 2009.
I went on to the Alibre website and had a poke around, which is something I don't normally do, however I did find a version for personal use called Atom3D. Had I been starting out in 3D modelling, I think it would have been worth considering. As well as free, I do like cheap also
(who doesn't) At $149 US and $50 US yearly support it isn't breaking the bank. The onsite video does provide a good demo. Have fun๐
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๐ What drawing software do you use?
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Hi Ron,
I use a 3D modelling software called Alibre. It is similar to Solidworks, but considerably cheaper.
The are a couple of options to choose from, which reflect in the price. There might be a version that works or you.
There is a yearly maintenance fee, or if you do the 3 yr option, there is a price break and 10 months interest free plan to pay it off.They do allow you to download a trial version. Sorry if I sound like a salesman for the company. I'm not, just happy to have something I can use.
I was in a similar situation to yourself. Retirement meant I also lost my home license to Solidworks.
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๐ Wood selection
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Dave,Jon & Ron, all good advise thank you for your input. I will as you say Dave experiment a little. The places you mentioned Ron close by me and are in fact lumber mills and do not sell directly to the general public.
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๐ Wood selection
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Being a newcomer to the hobby, I would like some help from members please as to the type of wood to use, for the stringers on my model. I am unable to source the type of wood being suggested.
The plans call for spruce stringers and other bits and pieces, my readings leads me to think Douglas fir might do fine, and ripping down some trial 1/4ร1/8 pieces, the results looked favourable. However the local lumber yard suggest hemlock or possibly pine as woods with similar properties to spruce. Can anyone advise please.
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๐ Sangsetia
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Thank you, a good idea for next time. Its a learning curve, now I know there are possible errors on plans, I will better prepare myself.
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๐ Sangsetia
6 years ago by
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I would like some advise please. I have returned to model boat building after many years. I am scratch building the Sangsetia police launch that first appeared in 1986.
I have cut out the bulkheads and now I am in the process of finishing their outside profiles. I am using the plans to gauge size. So far so good. As I started to finish the concave/convex radiI from the sides to the keel I am finding these lower profiles differ from side to side. Naturally if I continue to use the plans as drawn as a gauge, I don't think the end result will be too pleasing.
I am thinking a better way to address the problem would be to select the same lower profile on each bulkhead and use it as my gauge to ensure symmetry is achieved. I will then have to apply the same method of finishing when I notch each bulkhead. I hope this is making some sense. I would like to hear from anyone who has come across this same issue. Thank you in advance.
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