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I’d previously built a model of a Bristol Pilot Cutter without an additional keel, but the hull shape was very different.
The Dutch barge hull is basically flat bottomed. I’ve struggled to find any useful info about other similar models. The only guidance came from looking a models of Thames barges, which have an additional keel, so that was the reason to make one. The keel is easy to remove as is the lead weight, the idea is that it is easy to make another of different design if necessary.
The Dutch barge hull is basically flat bottomed. I’ve struggled to find any useful info about other similar models. The only guidance came from looking a models of Thames barges, which have an additional keel, so that was the reason to make one. The keel is easy to remove as is the lead weight, the idea is that it is easy to make another of different design if necessary.
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5 days ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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The idea is to leave the lead weight removable until after a few sails, to ensure its correct. Adjustments can then be made.
As for the saucepan - others are available - the one in the photo hadn’t been used for years and I’d cast lead in it previously.
As for the saucepan - others are available - the one in the photo hadn’t been used for years and I’d cast lead in it previously.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
6 days ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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I'm sure those with a performance mindset will not be impressed but it's functional and will certainly be fine for first sail. The lead is only bolted in place, so can be "modified" if required. There is one minor addition needed to the rigging and then its looking for a "gentle wind" for a maidan voyage.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
7 days ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Made some progress and the hull etc and fittings are just about done. The last real task was to cast some lead - just a small amount. This is never going to be a "heavy weather" model. The lead will need some cleaning up and a coat of paint.
I warmed the saucepan and lead up on the kitchen cooker, before going outside for a final warm and pour.
I warmed the saucepan and lead up on the kitchen cooker, before going outside for a final warm and pour.
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📝 Dragonflite Sails
7 days ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Hi - I've used some off cuts from eBay
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
1 month ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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I suppose there other way of looking at it is, display models and sailing models. There are a small number of people capable of building museum quality models that actually sail, while the rest of us compromise. I don’t have the patience to build to museum standards, so it therefore has to be a simplified sailing model.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
1 month ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Have made the sails, fitted and everything seems to work OK. There are some details to be added - winches on cockpit sides, a few more bits of rigging etc. The main challenge is to cast the lead and fit the keel - then a trial sail !
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
2 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Have made a final float test - with all the RC equipment on board. Using some pieces of metal, it was possible to check how much weight was needed to load the boat down to the water line. This weight will be made by casting some lead shot and fixed to the end of the "false" keel.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
2 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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The rigging is made from fishing line. It’s sold as trace wire, used for sea and pike fishing, 50lb. It’s supplied with small tube crimps and I then used a piece of heat shrink to cover these.
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2 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Have completed the rigging and made some "paper" sails, as templates. Next step will be some "real" sails and then checking the operation of all the servos - the final task will be a float text and to consider how much lead will be needed - and there will be all those small details and finishing touches - which are forgotten until the end!
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📝 Model Boat Show
2 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Went along on Saturday seemed busy
Some impressive models. Hope the trade suppliers found it worth while. Yes I did buy some things. A lot of effort put in by some exhibitors.
There was an impressive model of the Mulberry harbour. Would have been interested to find out more about how it was made. Parts 3D printed?
Worth a visit if you’ve not been before, hopefully next year will be as good. Please try to encourage more sailing boats to be exhibited.
Not the organisers fault but the catering facilities could have been better. I’d have thought the hotel would have seen an opportunity, as it’s not got the best reputation locally.
Some impressive models. Hope the trade suppliers found it worth while. Yes I did buy some things. A lot of effort put in by some exhibitors.
There was an impressive model of the Mulberry harbour. Would have been interested to find out more about how it was made. Parts 3D printed?
Worth a visit if you’ve not been before, hopefully next year will be as good. Please try to encourage more sailing boats to be exhibited.
Not the organisers fault but the catering facilities could have been better. I’d have thought the hotel would have seen an opportunity, as it’s not got the best reputation locally.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
2 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Made a little more progress. The prop shaft has been fitted and works, even had a quick go in the bath.
The sail and rudder servos have also been installed, seem to work ok. The next stage will be the standing rigging, before making some paper templates for the sails.
The sail and rudder servos have also been installed, seem to work ok. The next stage will be the standing rigging, before making some paper templates for the sails.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
3 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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The drawings are from Sarik
Dutch Yacht MM1203 Static Sail Plan
However, these are for a model that is 18.5 inches long. So I got the drawings scanned and then doubled the size on the computer before printing them out again.
The drawings are based on the Vollenhovense Bol design - a quick search will show many examples.
I've kept a blog, which shows more photos.
Dutch Yacht MM1203 Static Sail Plan
However, these are for a model that is 18.5 inches long. So I got the drawings scanned and then doubled the size on the computer before printing them out again.
The drawings are based on the Vollenhovense Bol design - a quick search will show many examples.
I've kept a blog, which shows more photos.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
3 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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One of the RC channels will control a motor. The keel was made in two pieces, so a grove could be cut, so once the two halves were glued together there was a channel so the prop shaft can be fitted.
The system works when tested on the “bench”. How effective it will be in propelling the boat along is yet to be seen. The hull shape is hardly “streamlined” and making the hull has had its challenges!
The system works when tested on the “bench”. How effective it will be in propelling the boat along is yet to be seen. The hull shape is hardly “streamlined” and making the hull has had its challenges!
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
3 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Have been distracted again but now returned to finishing off the Dutch barge. The hull is now painted and varnished, have also made the spars - the next step is to add the fittings and get the sails fitted.
Will then add the RC equipment, before doing a float test, to find out how much lead is needed to pull it down to the water line.
Will then add the RC equipment, before doing a float test, to find out how much lead is needed to pull it down to the water line.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Roy is right about using model railway parts. The handrail knobs are from a model engineering supplier and are intended for a 5 inch gauge loco, the actual handrail is 2mm dia. stainless steel, which just about fits the aprox. 1:10 scale that I'm working to.
As for painting, there is an initial two coats of thinned varnish and then a spray coat of a "filler primer" from Halfords. A fine modelling filler/putty is used to fill small imperfections, before rubbing down with some wet n dry. This process was repeated on two more occasions. The top coats will be completed using a spray paint from B&Q, aimed at furniture restoration. There are a selection of colours and the white is available in gloss, satin and matt finishes. The other option is car spray but tends to be glossy finish.
The red oxide, below the waterline, is a red primer from Halfords.
As for painting, there is an initial two coats of thinned varnish and then a spray coat of a "filler primer" from Halfords. A fine modelling filler/putty is used to fill small imperfections, before rubbing down with some wet n dry. This process was repeated on two more occasions. The top coats will be completed using a spray paint from B&Q, aimed at furniture restoration. There are a selection of colours and the white is available in gloss, satin and matt finishes. The other option is car spray but tends to be glossy finish.
The red oxide, below the waterline, is a red primer from Halfords.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Have used spray paints for the hull. However, varnish does come from a tin but tend decant some into a jam jar, which means that opening the tin is kept to a minimum, especially if it is being used on a daily basis. The varnish in the jam jar is thinned 50/50 with white sprit.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Before going any further with the deck and rigging, felt that the hull should be "faired" and given an initial coat of paint. In fact it ended up with three coats of primer (yellow), with some fine filler used in places, rubbing down between coats. The final overall colour will be white, with a red oxide under the water line. A initial "dusting" of white confirmed there is no conflict between the two paints.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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The roof is finished - using stainless steel for the handrail. Have also started to shape the lee boards. There is a need to think about other details, shroud fixing etc. There are a number of additional "wooden" parts that can be seen on photos of "real boats" which need to be added.
The underside of the hull needs priming and sanded smooth - think that will be the next task.
The underside of the hull needs priming and sanded smooth - think that will be the next task.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Thanks for the interest. I’ve not given up on adding a control to the Lee boards but at the moment it’s not on the “must do” list. I’ve struggled to find examples of other Dutch barge models, so it’s good to hear someone else has built one.
I’ll look at painting and finishing the cabin roof, then the next job will be the Lee boards.
I’ll look at painting and finishing the cabin roof, then the next job will be the Lee boards.
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1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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The cabin now has a roof. This lifts off and then its possible to lift out the door and cockpit, which should provide good access to the inside of the hull.
The handrail along the edge of the roof needs to be added but I'll need some 2mm dia brass rod and will then add a further 4 supports each side.
The handrail along the edge of the roof needs to be added but I'll need some 2mm dia brass rod and will then add a further 4 supports each side.
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1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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A bought a pack of three capacitors, so will have the option, currently working on cockpit floor, door and finishing rudder.
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📝 Karoline, Dutch potato boat.
1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Lovely model, sorry to see the damage. Interesting to learn more about how you built the hull. Am currently building a similar boat and the shape of the hull has proved a “challenge” to build.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Been a bit distracted recently but have now wired the RC system together and decided how it will fit in the boat. Still need to add a fuse and capacitors for the motor but it does all work.
Made some card templates for the pieces of deck, before making and fitting the final pieces.
Made some card templates for the pieces of deck, before making and fitting the final pieces.
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1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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A great looking model and pleasing to see a traditional sailing boat being built. Be interesting to see how well it sails and how you’ve set the sail controls up.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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The next step is to get the rudder and sail servos in and working, along with the motor control. That will use all the controls up on the Rx/Rc. Not using the motor control would make room for a servo/winch for the Lee boards. Decisions ?
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The next step is to get the rudder and sail servos in and working, along with the motor control. That will use all the controls up on the Rx/Rc. Not using the motor control would make room for a servo/winch for the Lee boards. Decisions ?
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Thanks Alessandro. Slightly to my surprise - I've struggled to find other models of Dutch barges - a few YouTube clips and that's it. There is more information about the building of model Thames Barges, which are similar in design to the Dutch version. These models seem to use a rudder extension and additional keel, I have designed/built the hull to incorporate a bolt on keel, just in case. It would be nice to avoid both of these and allow the use of the lee boards as on the full size boat.
It could be possible to use a sail winch mounted sides ways, so the lee boards could be raised and lifted, on a push/pull arrangement - but the boards would need to be weighted to ensure they dropped as the line from the winch was eased. The other option would just have them adjustable and made so they could be fixed in a down position.
All ideas to be considered.
It could be possible to use a sail winch mounted sides ways, so the lee boards could be raised and lifted, on a push/pull arrangement - but the boards would need to be weighted to ensure they dropped as the line from the winch was eased. The other option would just have them adjustable and made so they could be fixed in a down position.
All ideas to be considered.
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1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Here's a couple of photos with the outer gunwales fitted and topsides trimmed, which shows the true shape of the hull.
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1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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A little bit of progress. The rudder is fitted, along with the servo. The green/yellow acrylic extension is easy to remove but should improve the rudders performance, it can be shortened if the current size proves to big.
The topsides are made from 1.5mm thick plywood. The line of the gunwale has been marked out and this will be glued in place, before the excess plywood is trimmed off.
Currently thinking about where/how the two sail winch arms will be fitted - the plan is to use two HiTec 765's. The roof of the cabin will be removable, as will the the cockpit - but have yet to decide how to achieve this.
The topsides are made from 1.5mm thick plywood. The line of the gunwale has been marked out and this will be glued in place, before the excess plywood is trimmed off.
Currently thinking about where/how the two sail winch arms will be fitted - the plan is to use two HiTec 765's. The roof of the cabin will be removable, as will the the cockpit - but have yet to decide how to achieve this.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Colour? White initially, then perhaps red oxide or black under the water line. Think the rubbing strake will black, but that’s all along way off. A few coats of white and lots of rubbing down will be needed first.
Next task, the rudder and operation via a servo.
Colour? White initially, then perhaps red oxide or black under the water line. Think the rubbing strake will black, but that’s all along way off. A few coats of white and lots of rubbing down will be needed first.
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