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15 hours ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 (
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3rd sail
Sailed very well without the rudder extension - no leaks and no caught sheets
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Sailed very well without the rudder extension - no leaks and no caught sheets
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2 days ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Excellent - always good to see models sailing, especially if they are made to scale, which is an extra challenge - well done.
Interested to know the weight of the hull and how much the centre board finally weighed? Your centre board is good solution rather than a false keel with a bulb weight.
Interested to know the weight of the hull and how much the centre board finally weighed? Your centre board is good solution rather than a false keel with a bulb weight.
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💬 Re: Thames Barge - Veronica
3 days ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Thanks GrantH. Looks great
I’m hoping, that by keeping the boat fixed to the building board will avoid any “twist” in the hull.
How many servos did you use? Did you have one for the “vang” as shown in the video?
I’ve still to think about how to control the jibs. Would be nice to use another servo but feel that’s not normally done.
I’m hoping, that by keeping the boat fixed to the building board will avoid any “twist” in the hull.
How many servos did you use? Did you have one for the “vang” as shown in the video?
I’ve still to think about how to control the jibs. Would be nice to use another servo but feel that’s not normally done.
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💬 Re: Thames Barge - Veronica
4 days ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Thanks GrantH - there is some "variation" between the drawings, kit and video - and does need some interpretation ! - However, it does help.
Do you still have your model? - any tips?
I've not made cotton sails before - so I can see that being something new.
Do you still have your model? - any tips?
I've not made cotton sails before - so I can see that being something new.
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📝 Frames - Completed
4 days ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Have decided to leave the frames fixed to the baseboard while completing the first part of the planking. Need to give some thought to how the deck and gunwales are completed.
Have decided to initially use the keel I made for the Dutch barge on this model as well. Its perhaps a touch on the light side but then some modellers seem to have two - a lightweight and heavier one - depending on the weather. The fore/aft position will need some thinking - I do intend to build it with the bowsprit - which will bring the CLR well forward - the video indicates/suggests having two positions to deal with this. I do intend to add a brass keel band - should have done this at the start. Will give a secure fixing for the detachable keel and also act a a wear strip.
The figure came from eBay - unpainted - is 1/24th scale. Hopefully help guide the build - he's currently having a break and cup of tea !
Have decided to initially use the keel I made for the Dutch barge on this model as well. Its perhaps a touch on the light side but then some modellers seem to have two - a lightweight and heavier one - depending on the weather. The fore/aft position will need some thinking - I do intend to build it with the bowsprit - which will bring the CLR well forward - the video indicates/suggests having two positions to deal with this. I do intend to add a brass keel band - should have done this at the start. Will give a secure fixing for the detachable keel and also act a a wear strip.
The figure came from eBay - unpainted - is 1/24th scale. Hopefully help guide the build - he's currently having a break and cup of tea !
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📝 Thames Barge - Veronica
18 days ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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This is a well know model. I think there used to be an active group of TB modellers, this seems to have been maintained through a Facebook page - However, I don't use FB ! But Sarik models have put the original DVD on YouTube, which does help.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
18 days ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Made a few small changes, minor rigging, added some ballast to the stern and shortened the mast, lowering the take of point of the jib. Looks better and sails fine. However, still have a small leak via the prop shaft, so that does need some thinking about for a solution.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
2 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Took the boat for a first sail today. This has been delayed as the local weather has been so windy. Sailed better than expected - a couple of small issues and a small leak - which I think is the prop shaft, so will need to explore that. However, its more likely to be the join between the cockpit and deck edge, as the cockpit is removable.
This is a link to a YouTube video. Trying to hold the phone and control the boat with three servos was a bit of a challenge - but hopefully shows the general idea.
This is a link to a YouTube video. Trying to hold the phone and control the boat with three servos was a bit of a challenge - but hopefully shows the general idea.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
2 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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thanks Ronald
there are some beautiful examples of restored and new boats afloat.
there are some beautiful examples of restored and new boats afloat.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
2 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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I’d previously built a model of a Bristol Pilot Cutter without an additional keel, but the hull shape was very different.
The Dutch barge hull is basically flat bottomed. I’ve struggled to find any useful info about other similar models. The only guidance came from looking a models of Thames barges, which have an additional keel, so that was the reason to make one. The keel is easy to remove as is the lead weight, the idea is that it is easy to make another of different design if necessary.
The Dutch barge hull is basically flat bottomed. I’ve struggled to find any useful info about other similar models. The only guidance came from looking a models of Thames barges, which have an additional keel, so that was the reason to make one. The keel is easy to remove as is the lead weight, the idea is that it is easy to make another of different design if necessary.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
2 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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The idea is to leave the lead weight removable until after a few sails, to ensure its correct. Adjustments can then be made.
As for the saucepan - others are available - the one in the photo hadn’t been used for years and I’d cast lead in it previously.
As for the saucepan - others are available - the one in the photo hadn’t been used for years and I’d cast lead in it previously.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
2 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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I'm sure those with a performance mindset will not be impressed but it's functional and will certainly be fine for first sail. The lead is only bolted in place, so can be "modified" if required. There is one minor addition needed to the rigging and then its looking for a "gentle wind" for a maidan voyage.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
2 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Made some progress and the hull etc and fittings are just about done. The last real task was to cast some lead - just a small amount. This is never going to be a "heavy weather" model. The lead will need some cleaning up and a coat of paint.
I warmed the saucepan and lead up on the kitchen cooker, before going outside for a final warm and pour.
I warmed the saucepan and lead up on the kitchen cooker, before going outside for a final warm and pour.
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📝 Dragonflite Sails
2 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Hi - I've used some off cuts from eBay
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
3 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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I suppose there other way of looking at it is, display models and sailing models. There are a small number of people capable of building museum quality models that actually sail, while the rest of us compromise. I don’t have the patience to build to museum standards, so it therefore has to be a simplified sailing model.
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3 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Have made the sails, fitted and everything seems to work OK. There are some details to be added - winches on cockpit sides, a few more bits of rigging etc. The main challenge is to cast the lead and fit the keel - then a trial sail !
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
4 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Have made a final float test - with all the RC equipment on board. Using some pieces of metal, it was possible to check how much weight was needed to load the boat down to the water line. This weight will be made by casting some lead shot and fixed to the end of the "false" keel.
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4 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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The rigging is made from fishing line. It’s sold as trace wire, used for sea and pike fishing, 50lb. It’s supplied with small tube crimps and I then used a piece of heat shrink to cover these.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
4 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Have completed the rigging and made some "paper" sails, as templates. Next step will be some "real" sails and then checking the operation of all the servos - the final task will be a float text and to consider how much lead will be needed - and there will be all those small details and finishing touches - which are forgotten until the end!
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📝 Model Boat Show
4 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Went along on Saturday seemed busy
Some impressive models. Hope the trade suppliers found it worth while. Yes I did buy some things. A lot of effort put in by some exhibitors.
There was an impressive model of the Mulberry harbour. Would have been interested to find out more about how it was made. Parts 3D printed?
Worth a visit if you’ve not been before, hopefully next year will be as good. Please try to encourage more sailing boats to be exhibited.
Not the organisers fault but the catering facilities could have been better. I’d have thought the hotel would have seen an opportunity, as it’s not got the best reputation locally.
Some impressive models. Hope the trade suppliers found it worth while. Yes I did buy some things. A lot of effort put in by some exhibitors.
There was an impressive model of the Mulberry harbour. Would have been interested to find out more about how it was made. Parts 3D printed?
Worth a visit if you’ve not been before, hopefully next year will be as good. Please try to encourage more sailing boats to be exhibited.
Not the organisers fault but the catering facilities could have been better. I’d have thought the hotel would have seen an opportunity, as it’s not got the best reputation locally.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
4 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Made a little more progress. The prop shaft has been fitted and works, even had a quick go in the bath.
The sail and rudder servos have also been installed, seem to work ok. The next stage will be the standing rigging, before making some paper templates for the sails.
The sail and rudder servos have also been installed, seem to work ok. The next stage will be the standing rigging, before making some paper templates for the sails.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
5 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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The drawings are from Sarik
Dutch Yacht MM1203 Static Sail Plan
However, these are for a model that is 18.5 inches long. So I got the drawings scanned and then doubled the size on the computer before printing them out again.
The drawings are based on the Vollenhovense Bol design - a quick search will show many examples.
I've kept a blog, which shows more photos.
Dutch Yacht MM1203 Static Sail Plan
However, these are for a model that is 18.5 inches long. So I got the drawings scanned and then doubled the size on the computer before printing them out again.
The drawings are based on the Vollenhovense Bol design - a quick search will show many examples.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
5 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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One of the RC channels will control a motor. The keel was made in two pieces, so a grove could be cut, so once the two halves were glued together there was a channel so the prop shaft can be fitted.
The system works when tested on the “bench”. How effective it will be in propelling the boat along is yet to be seen. The hull shape is hardly “streamlined” and making the hull has had its challenges!
The system works when tested on the “bench”. How effective it will be in propelling the boat along is yet to be seen. The hull shape is hardly “streamlined” and making the hull has had its challenges!
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
5 months ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Have been distracted again but now returned to finishing off the Dutch barge. The hull is now painted and varnished, have also made the spars - the next step is to add the fittings and get the sails fitted.
Will then add the RC equipment, before doing a float test, to find out how much lead is needed to pull it down to the water line.
Will then add the RC equipment, before doing a float test, to find out how much lead is needed to pull it down to the water line.
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1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Roy is right about using model railway parts. The handrail knobs are from a model engineering supplier and are intended for a 5 inch gauge loco, the actual handrail is 2mm dia. stainless steel, which just about fits the aprox. 1:10 scale that I'm working to.
As for painting, there is an initial two coats of thinned varnish and then a spray coat of a "filler primer" from Halfords. A fine modelling filler/putty is used to fill small imperfections, before rubbing down with some wet n dry. This process was repeated on two more occasions. The top coats will be completed using a spray paint from B&Q, aimed at furniture restoration. There are a selection of colours and the white is available in gloss, satin and matt finishes. The other option is car spray but tends to be glossy finish.
The red oxide, below the waterline, is a red primer from Halfords.
As for painting, there is an initial two coats of thinned varnish and then a spray coat of a "filler primer" from Halfords. A fine modelling filler/putty is used to fill small imperfections, before rubbing down with some wet n dry. This process was repeated on two more occasions. The top coats will be completed using a spray paint from B&Q, aimed at furniture restoration. There are a selection of colours and the white is available in gloss, satin and matt finishes. The other option is car spray but tends to be glossy finish.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Have used spray paints for the hull. However, varnish does come from a tin but tend decant some into a jam jar, which means that opening the tin is kept to a minimum, especially if it is being used on a daily basis. The varnish in the jam jar is thinned 50/50 with white sprit.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Before going any further with the deck and rigging, felt that the hull should be "faired" and given an initial coat of paint. In fact it ended up with three coats of primer (yellow), with some fine filler used in places, rubbing down between coats. The final overall colour will be white, with a red oxide under the water line. A initial "dusting" of white confirmed there is no conflict between the two paints.
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1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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The roof is finished - using stainless steel for the handrail. Have also started to shape the lee boards. There is a need to think about other details, shroud fixing etc. There are a number of additional "wooden" parts that can be seen on photos of "real boats" which need to be added.
The underside of the hull needs priming and sanded smooth - think that will be the next task.
The underside of the hull needs priming and sanded smooth - think that will be the next task.
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📝 Dutch sailing barge
1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Thanks for the interest. I’ve not given up on adding a control to the Lee boards but at the moment it’s not on the “must do” list. I’ve struggled to find examples of other Dutch barge models, so it’s good to hear someone else has built one.
I’ll look at painting and finishing the cabin roof, then the next job will be the Lee boards.
I’ll look at painting and finishing the cabin roof, then the next job will be the Lee boards.
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1 year ago by 🇬🇧 AndyB2 ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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The cabin now has a roof. This lifts off and then its possible to lift out the door and cockpit, which should provide good access to the inside of the hull.
The handrail along the edge of the roof needs to be added but I'll need some 2mm dia brass rod and will then add a further 4 supports each side.
The handrail along the edge of the roof needs to be added but I'll need some 2mm dia brass rod and will then add a further 4 supports each side.
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