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📝 New radio- strange behaviour.
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 (
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IanH,
You're bit late as all this has been discussed ad nauseum.
It's not my boat, I always suppress my own motors and I can't be certain my friend hasn't suppressed his, but I expect he has done knowing him.
And I can't quite see the need to be so abrasive.🤔
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You're bit late as all this has been discussed ad nauseum.
It's not my boat, I always suppress my own motors and I can't be certain my friend hasn't suppressed his, but I expect he has done knowing him.
And I can't quite see the need to be so abrasive.🤔
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📝 New radio- strange behaviour.
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Hi ToraDog,
Yes, when we were sailing together on Monday he range tested by walking about 100 ft away and all was well. It was only in the water that things went south.
When I passed on ideas from this forum to him I suggested that changing the motor might be a quick and relatively cheap way to either pinpoint it as the trouble or eliminate it but he seems keen to just change the radio over- and I don't blame him really.
I didn't really clock the type of universal joint he was using but I expect it was one of the red Huco types. I very much doubt if it was an all metal job.
Ian
Yes, when we were sailing together on Monday he range tested by walking about 100 ft away and all was well. It was only in the water that things went south.
When I passed on ideas from this forum to him I suggested that changing the motor might be a quick and relatively cheap way to either pinpoint it as the trouble or eliminate it but he seems keen to just change the radio over- and I don't blame him really.
I didn't really clock the type of universal joint he was using but I expect it was one of the red Huco types. I very much doubt if it was an all metal job.
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📝 New radio- strange behaviour.
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Hi ToraDog,
Funnily enough we had this conversation a few months ago regarding one of my own boats. The motor in my friends boat was a Graupner and my understanding is that they have internal suppression, but I may be wrong.
Some years ago I had to resort to wrapping one motor in tinfoil despite suppression and that was using 2.4. I have since gone over to low noise motors which are an all round improvement.
As I said to Tony, the owner of the boat is now going to try a different radio so we'll see where that goes. I expect to sail with him again next week, making the most of the autumn, so I will report any developments.
Ian
Funnily enough we had this conversation a few months ago regarding one of my own boats. The motor in my friends boat was a Graupner and my understanding is that they have internal suppression, but I may be wrong.
Some years ago I had to resort to wrapping one motor in tinfoil despite suppression and that was using 2.4. I have since gone over to low noise motors which are an all round improvement.
As I said to Tony, the owner of the boat is now going to try a different radio so we'll see where that goes. I expect to sail with him again next week, making the most of the autumn, so I will report any developments.
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📝 New radio- strange behaviour.
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Thanks Tony,
Very interesting as we wondered if it was the loading of the motor that may be causing it.
I contacted the owner of the boat yesterday with the ideas that have been put forward and he tells me he is going to change the radio. We'll see if that does the trick.
All the best Tony,
Ian
Very interesting as we wondered if it was the loading of the motor that may be causing it.
I contacted the owner of the boat yesterday with the ideas that have been put forward and he tells me he is going to change the radio. We'll see if that does the trick.
All the best Tony,
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💬 Re: ARTUR
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Funny, during one of my occasional sleepless nights last night I was looking at your build log and wondering when we might see some more. Fantastic progress and lovely work, well done. I, for one, am looking forward to more.
I had forgotten this was an old kit but if anyone is interested I believe I spotted the drawing on Aerofred.
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I had forgotten this was an old kit but if anyone is interested I believe I spotted the drawing on Aerofred.
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📝 New radio- strange behaviour.
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Thanks Pete and ToraDog,
I will pass on these ideas - it really is someone else's boat! I'm not sure if the owner was using bec or not. We hadn't thought about the antenna on the tx but that seem to equate closest to what was experienced on Monday so worth checking.
Pete, I have always found the old Planet to be ultra reliable and the tx batteries (dry AA cells) seem to last for years, but I have several boats on Spektrum using a fairly ancient DX5e and these always seem reluctant to bind, to the point where I sometimes wonder if it will. I replaced the tx batteries on Monday, (although the lights still went up to green) - better but still not great. Once it's bound on, no problems. I remember reading that the tx shouldn't be too close when binding but don't know whether this is true. Still think 2.4 is magic though!
Thanks for the various inputs.
Ian
I will pass on these ideas - it really is someone else's boat! I'm not sure if the owner was using bec or not. We hadn't thought about the antenna on the tx but that seem to equate closest to what was experienced on Monday so worth checking.
Pete, I have always found the old Planet to be ultra reliable and the tx batteries (dry AA cells) seem to last for years, but I have several boats on Spektrum using a fairly ancient DX5e and these always seem reluctant to bind, to the point where I sometimes wonder if it will. I replaced the tx batteries on Monday, (although the lights still went up to green) - better but still not great. Once it's bound on, no problems. I remember reading that the tx shouldn't be too close when binding but don't know whether this is true. Still think 2.4 is magic though!
Thanks for the various inputs.
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📝 New radio- strange behaviour.
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Thanks for that ToraDog- all adds to the body of knowledge. From memory, the rx was well up in the boat but the possibility of extending the aerial was discussed as people seemed to think 2.4 aerials weren't tuned to length.
I remember that with 27meg you had quite a lot of leeway with aerial length and I was told early in my life that you could run a boat with the aerial coiled up in the bottom, which surprised me, but which turned out to be correct, as I often did it.
What do we think about extending the aerial?
I will pass on all these ideas and see if anything works.
Ian
I remember that with 27meg you had quite a lot of leeway with aerial length and I was told early in my life that you could run a boat with the aerial coiled up in the bottom, which surprised me, but which turned out to be correct, as I often did it.
What do we think about extending the aerial?
I will pass on all these ideas and see if anything works.
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📝 New radio- strange behaviour.
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Oh, by the way Bill, I also have several boats with old Planet radio and Mtroniks and they are always ultra-reliable so I shouldn't panic. This is new Planet gear. (And I'm not suggesting that is unreliable).
I got quite excited when I saw Planet was on the market again but it is incompatible with the old - of course!! Old Planet receivers are going for silly money now.
Ian
I got quite excited when I saw Planet was on the market again but it is incompatible with the old - of course!! Old Planet receivers are going for silly money now.
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📝 New radio- strange behaviour.
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Hi Bill and Stephen,
Thanks for your input. I noticed that the motor was a smallish Graupner, probably a 400 size and brushed. The owner of the boat is a very neat and careful builder - I wish I'd thought to take a photo of the inside of the boat as the problem is unlikely to be because of sloppy building. It is interesting that he also wondered if loading the motor in the water made the difference, as it was basically the only change, but what to do about it? Might be worth trying a replacement motor. My understanding was that 2.4 isn't susceptible to motor interference.
In the end we could only suggest getting back in touch with the supplier of the radio - it was only bought in April - and see what they thought. I will let you know what transpires in the interest of closure!
Ian
Thanks for your input. I noticed that the motor was a smallish Graupner, probably a 400 size and brushed. The owner of the boat is a very neat and careful builder - I wish I'd thought to take a photo of the inside of the boat as the problem is unlikely to be because of sloppy building. It is interesting that he also wondered if loading the motor in the water made the difference, as it was basically the only change, but what to do about it? Might be worth trying a replacement motor. My understanding was that 2.4 isn't susceptible to motor interference.
In the end we could only suggest getting back in touch with the supplier of the radio - it was only bought in April - and see what they thought. I will let you know what transpires in the interest of closure!
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📝 New radio- strange behaviour.
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Thanks Rob and Martin,
As I say it isn't my boat so can't check the antennae but will pass on that info. I know that's how it is supposed to be but have always found 2.4 pretty forgiving regarding antenna placement.
It may be a case of back to the supplier and start again with different stuff. None of us have experienced this. Usually it either works or it doesn't. Ho hum!
Ian
As I say it isn't my boat so can't check the antennae but will pass on that info. I know that's how it is supposed to be but have always found 2.4 pretty forgiving regarding antenna placement.
It may be a case of back to the supplier and start again with different stuff. None of us have experienced this. Usually it either works or it doesn't. Ho hum!
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📝 New radio- strange behaviour.
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Hi all,
I went sailing today and a friend had a new boat with a brand new Planet 2.4 radio in. He seemed to be using an Mtroniks esc and AA sized cells. On the table everything worked perfectly, at a distance of about 100 feet on land everything worked perfectly. But as soon as the boat was on the water the motor was jumping from forward to reverse and the rudder servo was jittering back and forth- no control whatever and this just a few feet from the bank. When he got the boat back on land all was fine again. He tried the boat with the top off and just the same. It is a wooden hull and the atennae are routed as far from other components as possible- it is a fairly small boat. There were five of us there and we were all stumped!
I have never known anything like it but maybe someone here might have some ideas.
All the best,
Ian
I went sailing today and a friend had a new boat with a brand new Planet 2.4 radio in. He seemed to be using an Mtroniks esc and AA sized cells. On the table everything worked perfectly, at a distance of about 100 feet on land everything worked perfectly. But as soon as the boat was on the water the motor was jumping from forward to reverse and the rudder servo was jittering back and forth- no control whatever and this just a few feet from the bank. When he got the boat back on land all was fine again. He tried the boat with the top off and just the same. It is a wooden hull and the atennae are routed as far from other components as possible- it is a fairly small boat. There were five of us there and we were all stumped!
I have never known anything like it but maybe someone here might have some ideas.
All the best,
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💬 Re: NAXOS - Hull done (almost)
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Very well done! I sometimes wonder if we spend too much time chasing a fabulous finish on model boats. This is a wooden boat and may well have shown plank lines and have been a bit rough round the edges. I have often reminded myself when finishing model and full sized hulls, 'This is all going to be in the water!'
You've done a great job on this and I look forward to seeing her progress.
Ian
You've done a great job on this and I look forward to seeing her progress.
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💬 Re: NAXOS - Planked
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Very nicely done.
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💬 Re: Emma C Berry
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Lovely!
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💬 Re: 10 inch boat kit purchased on eBay.
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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This is basically a smaller version of Naxos that Hecrowell is building. It's a nice design and seems very popular. Look forward to seeing how it goes together.
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📝 The Cruel Sea.
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Re-watched The African Queen for the umpteenth time last night and yes, found myself looking up the prices of the Billings kit. A short period lying in a darkened room and I was alright again! Lovely film though.
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📝 Gaff rigged display model
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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My thoughts, like Rick's, were that it would be a lot of surgery to fit a false keel and fin box but if you did deck her in- which is a great idea I think- then it would not be so critical. You could bring the fin box up to, and braced by, the deck beams. The hull does have the look of a pilot cutter or fishing boat about her. You might also want to do something about the headsails, as overlapping sails bring more complication with control. Perhaps one head sail on a jib boom to more closely match the sheet position on the main boom.
I do agree with Nerys that an open boat will always be a bit fraught when sailing! Don't forget that any keel extension should have its centre of lateral resistance coinciding with that of the hull. There is some really good information in 'An Introduction to Scale Sailing Models' by Phillip Vaughan Williams. It's a book (remember those?) and Sarik Hobbies still sell it at £9.99- brilliant value.
We watch with interest!
Ian
I do agree with Nerys that an open boat will always be a bit fraught when sailing! Don't forget that any keel extension should have its centre of lateral resistance coinciding with that of the hull. There is some really good information in 'An Introduction to Scale Sailing Models' by Phillip Vaughan Williams. It's a book (remember those?) and Sarik Hobbies still sell it at £9.99- brilliant value.
We watch with interest!
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📝 Krick Nordstrand Trawler k21430
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Mike, I did nothing except kickstart your thread and I'm glad I did. I had a feeling the good folk on this forum would come through for you.
Good luck with the rest of the build.
Ian
Good luck with the rest of the build.
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📝 Gaff rigged display model
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Spot on Doug! That's a good size isn't it? I suppose the first thing to do would be to put her in the water and ballast her down to her marks and see what she weighs and get some sense of stability - and whether or not she leaks! You would still have the problem of possible swamping but on a closer look, she does seem to have some sort of compartments each end.
I mentioned Harold Underhill in another post and he said he refused to put outside ballast in a scale model as if she wouldn't stand up, the wind was greater than scale strength. I think the genreral consensus is that if you want to sail in anything other than dead calm you will need a fin keel or at least a deepened keel with weight on the bottom. It'll be interesting to see what you decide.
Have fun!
Ian
I mentioned Harold Underhill in another post and he said he refused to put outside ballast in a scale model as if she wouldn't stand up, the wind was greater than scale strength. I think the genreral consensus is that if you want to sail in anything other than dead calm you will need a fin keel or at least a deepened keel with weight on the bottom. It'll be interesting to see what you decide.
Have fun!
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4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Hi Mike,
I'm glad Martin has taken this up for you and his suggestion certainly looks right. I can't make much sense of the portion of drawing you photographed.
I did a quick search to see if there were any build logs of the Nordstrand but no luck. As you say, quite a few seem to have been built so there must be a solution. The wheelhouse windows certainly taper in towards the bottom and you seem to have it up the wrong way in your picture. Let us know how you get on.
Ian
I'm glad Martin has taken this up for you and his suggestion certainly looks right. I can't make much sense of the portion of drawing you photographed.
I did a quick search to see if there were any build logs of the Nordstrand but no luck. As you say, quite a few seem to have been built so there must be a solution. The wheelhouse windows certainly taper in towards the bottom and you seem to have it up the wrong way in your picture. Let us know how you get on.
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📝 Krick Nordstrand Trawler k21430
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Hello,
I'm going to stick my head above the parapet again as it always seems a shame when a request goes unanswered. Obviously nobody has built this particular boat (I certainly haven't) but there are some very expert builders on here and I bet if you were to describe the problem in more detail somebody might be able to help, even if it were only in a general way. Hope you get some help.
All the best,
Ian
I'm going to stick my head above the parapet again as it always seems a shame when a request goes unanswered. Obviously nobody has built this particular boat (I certainly haven't) but there are some very expert builders on here and I bet if you were to describe the problem in more detail somebody might be able to help, even if it were only in a general way. Hope you get some help.
All the best,
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💬 Re: Sealing interior against leaks
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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ZPoxy- already mentioned.
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📝 Gaff rigged display model
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Phil, you don't say how big the model is but it seems unlikely that you will be able to incorporate enough internal ballast to make her stand up in anything but the slightest wind, so a false keel will be necessary. And as Nerys points out, an rc open boat will always be susceptible to filling up when heeling to the wind, unless you can find a way of including some enclosed buoyancy chambers and somewhere to hide the radio. Quite a few challenges, but I'm sure if you solved them it would make a nice model. At least you can determine the weight required to bring her to her waterline as you already have the boat, so no guesswork there.
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📝 Wingsails
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Hi Tony and Nerys,
I just ordered the Wing Ray plan- couldn't resist the temptation to have a look. I don't suppose I'll ever build it but you never know. Not doing much at all at the moment due to a severe and very painful crick in the neck!! It will pass.
Ian
I just ordered the Wing Ray plan- couldn't resist the temptation to have a look. I don't suppose I'll ever build it but you never know. Not doing much at all at the moment due to a severe and very painful crick in the neck!! It will pass.
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💬 Re: Back at it
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Hi,
You have made a lot of progress with Naxos. It looks as though you have a solid framework for planking too.
With regard to resin, I have found ZPoxy very good, not too smelly and easy to sand. Polyester resin is very smelly and unpleasant to use in my humble opinion and will be difficult to finish on the outside. There are water based resins such as Poly-C or EzeKote but they aren't as durable it must be said. I think with a boat like this using glass cloth inside is a bit belt and braces but your choice , of course.
With paint, anything can be used but it is good to stick to one system to avoid any unwanted reaction. I have had the dreaded wrinkles when mixing some sprays with enamels, admittedly years ago now.
On my last model I used two coats of ZPoxy, water based household primer (Dulux!) to build up the surface and then enamel topcoat, in that case Blackfriars, topsides and Humbrol, underbody. Lots of folk use car spray cans exclusively.
Incidentally, there are about three You Tube videos of various Naxos models which you might find interesting if you haven't already found them.
Good luck and watching with interest.😊
All the best,
Ian
You have made a lot of progress with Naxos. It looks as though you have a solid framework for planking too.
With regard to resin, I have found ZPoxy very good, not too smelly and easy to sand. Polyester resin is very smelly and unpleasant to use in my humble opinion and will be difficult to finish on the outside. There are water based resins such as Poly-C or EzeKote but they aren't as durable it must be said. I think with a boat like this using glass cloth inside is a bit belt and braces but your choice , of course.
With paint, anything can be used but it is good to stick to one system to avoid any unwanted reaction. I have had the dreaded wrinkles when mixing some sprays with enamels, admittedly years ago now.
On my last model I used two coats of ZPoxy, water based household primer (Dulux!) to build up the surface and then enamel topcoat, in that case Blackfriars, topsides and Humbrol, underbody. Lots of folk use car spray cans exclusively.
Incidentally, there are about three You Tube videos of various Naxos models which you might find interesting if you haven't already found them.
Good luck and watching with interest.😊
All the best,
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📝 Wingsails
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Thanks Tony,
I had a feeling you could shed some more light on this. I think I'm right in saying that the drawing also includes a conventional rig. I tried ordering the plan this evening but couldn't get Sarik's website to cooperate.
Hope you are OK and will be in touch soon.
All the best,
Ian
I had a feeling you could shed some more light on this. I think I'm right in saying that the drawing also includes a conventional rig. I tried ordering the plan this evening but couldn't get Sarik's website to cooperate.
Hope you are OK and will be in touch soon.
All the best,
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📝 Wingsails
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Don't worry, Nerys. We do have a Tony on here who has done a lot of research into Vic Smeed's plans and, given my fondness for his designs, that may be where the confusion arose.
I'm afraid I have far more plans than I could ever hope to build in the time left to me but I like having them - a sort of comfort blanket!
I hope you are feeling up to a bit more soon.
All the best,
Ian
I'm afraid I have far more plans than I could ever hope to build in the time left to me but I like having them - a sort of comfort blanket!
I hope you are feeling up to a bit more soon.
All the best,
Ian
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📝 Wingsails
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Yes, I enjoy studying plans myself and have a large collection, all bought with the intention of building! These days I admit to myself that I am only acquiring a plan out of interest!
All the best,
Ian😊
All the best,
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📝 Wingsails
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 ianed57 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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Hi Nerys,
Having had a brief look at Wing Ray, I think it would be just as easy to build as a conventional yacht, if not easier. The wing is built up just like an aircraft wing and covered with tissue or solarfilm. No sailmaking, rigging or sail winch to worry about.
If anybody is interested, the plan is still available from Sarik and believe it or not, I happened to see a twin winged yacht being sold on ebay.
If I didn't have a 'want to build' list as long as my arm I might be tempted! It would make a very interesting project. I might still send off for the plan just for the collection.😀
Stay safe all,
Ian
Having had a brief look at Wing Ray, I think it would be just as easy to build as a conventional yacht, if not easier. The wing is built up just like an aircraft wing and covered with tissue or solarfilm. No sailmaking, rigging or sail winch to worry about.
If anybody is interested, the plan is still available from Sarik and believe it or not, I happened to see a twin winged yacht being sold on ebay.
If I didn't have a 'want to build' list as long as my arm I might be tempted! It would make a very interesting project. I might still send off for the plan just for the collection.😀
Stay safe all,
Ian
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Thanks! I have really enjoyed being part of this site since returning a few months ago.
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