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📝 Danny Boy, steam Drifter -Mount Fleet Models - help needed
2 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit (
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Hi, thanks for replying. It came with the article and mag you mention and regarding the construction I don’t really think I will have a problem as I have done restoration work for museums before - I think a couple of them have been posted on this site.
Totally get your point about placement, the chap has glued some white metal pieces in the wrong places and it’s going to be an interesting job getting them of.
All steam seems to be commercial made, I am a charted fellow of the institute of insurance so I totally understand the boiler situation and water compliance.
A couple of my friends restore full size steam locomotives for a hobby and have said when I get around to the point of wanting to steam up they will check it and sort out certification. They already do this for few of the model engineering clubs apparently for the larger steam model locos.
At the moment I am just trying to find people that have made Danny preferably with a compleate `cheddar steam system in as I seem to have.
It’s tight, very tight and I want to. Know how the hell you service the thing when you have the deck on.
To me it looks like a one way ticket and you could never get at anything ever again.
I just don’t see how you would get in to replace or repair thongs like the servos for reversing or ruder either once the deck is on. There is no room to work.
Very bad experiences with a fully rigged and sailing Golden Hind a few years ago. My mistake, couldn’t get at anything properly to repair or service.
I was following the advice of a Rusian chap who had built one and was sailing it on Lake Biacal.
I asked him what he did when he needed to replace a servo.
Great and typical Rusian answer. ‘ I build another boat”.
Totally get your point about placement, the chap has glued some white metal pieces in the wrong places and it’s going to be an interesting job getting them of.
All steam seems to be commercial made, I am a charted fellow of the institute of insurance so I totally understand the boiler situation and water compliance.
A couple of my friends restore full size steam locomotives for a hobby and have said when I get around to the point of wanting to steam up they will check it and sort out certification. They already do this for few of the model engineering clubs apparently for the larger steam model locos.
At the moment I am just trying to find people that have made Danny preferably with a compleate `cheddar steam system in as I seem to have.
It’s tight, very tight and I want to. Know how the hell you service the thing when you have the deck on.
To me it looks like a one way ticket and you could never get at anything ever again.
I just don’t see how you would get in to replace or repair thongs like the servos for reversing or ruder either once the deck is on. There is no room to work.
Very bad experiences with a fully rigged and sailing Golden Hind a few years ago. My mistake, couldn’t get at anything properly to repair or service.
I was following the advice of a Rusian chap who had built one and was sailing it on Lake Biacal.
I asked him what he did when he needed to replace a servo.
Great and typical Rusian answer. ‘ I build another boat”.
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📝 Danny Boy, steam Drifter -Mount Fleet Models - help needed
2 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Brilliant, thanks for replying. I suspect it’s an old model as the capstan is white metal and in bits and not resin but I don’t know how to tell the things actual age.
I will write again later or over the weekend as at the moment I feel I should try to secure the large plastic greenhouse that seems to have slipped its moorings and is walking down the road.
It’s not mine, does not look familiar and may have traveled far.
I will write again later or over the weekend as at the moment I feel I should try to secure the large plastic greenhouse that seems to have slipped its moorings and is walking down the road.
It’s not mine, does not look familiar and may have traveled far.
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📝 Danny Boy, steam Drifter -Mount Fleet Models - help needed
2 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Due to a bereavement I have just been given a partially constructed kit for this complete with Cheddar Steam plant with all its whistles and bells.
Fantastic help from Mount Fleet as they have just sent me an instruction book.construction wise not really a problem - mainly sail but I have built a lot of detailed things over the years. I know nothing about drifters - but I will in a couple of months.
I know absolutely nothing about steam though.
Is there anybody out there that has built Danny Boy as working steam? Looking at how this has been started off I cannot see how he would have access to anything for repairs or maintenance one the deck was on.
Plus this steam plant has a lot of things I just don’t know anything about- yet.
Any help or ideas greatfullynrecieved - a great bit of kit
Fantastic help from Mount Fleet as they have just sent me an instruction book.construction wise not really a problem - mainly sail but I have built a lot of detailed things over the years. I know nothing about drifters - but I will in a couple of months.
I know absolutely nothing about steam though.
Is there anybody out there that has built Danny Boy as working steam? Looking at how this has been started off I cannot see how he would have access to anything for repairs or maintenance one the deck was on.
Plus this steam plant has a lot of things I just don’t know anything about- yet.
Any help or ideas greatfullynrecieved - a great bit of kit
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📝 Club Membership Fees UK.
2 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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My wife has just stuck her ore in (an acountant) the figures just don’t add up, I agree - and the insurance just doesn’t seem right.
I would love to see what paperwork you as a “member” have ever been given.
I would be interested in knowing how many people are in the club as well.
I would love to see what paperwork you as a “member” have ever been given.
I would be interested in knowing how many people are in the club as well.
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2 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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It actually is not a club or “unincorporated association”.
The chap good or not is on very dodgy ground legally doing it this way. I hope he is declaring to the revenue, he is providing a service for which people are paying money and the way he is doing it he is actually running it as a business. He may not be making enough to pay tax but set up this way he must declare.
My wife is an acountant and I am a charted insurer - the insurance sounds rather a lot - and you should know who it’s with by the way - legally.
Get him to look at this.
The chap good or not is on very dodgy ground legally doing it this way. I hope he is declaring to the revenue, he is providing a service for which people are paying money and the way he is doing it he is actually running it as a business. He may not be making enough to pay tax but set up this way he must declare.
My wife is an acountant and I am a charted insurer - the insurance sounds rather a lot - and you should know who it’s with by the way - legally.
Get him to look at this.
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📝 Pond Yacht Sails help
2 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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This may sound stupid but how big is the yatch? A picture with a rule by it helps. I ask this because the boat length to some extent governs the weight of cloth used and dependent on the type of yatch it is controles if you are going to need to know about sail batons etc.
Is it just for display is it intended to sail it?
Down proof cambereick ie the material you use for the iners of pillows tends to be the go to material but the best artical with how to do it in depth is probably hear
Is it just for display is it intended to sail it?
Down proof cambereick ie the material you use for the iners of pillows tends to be the go to material but the best artical with how to do it in depth is probably hear
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📝 Does anybody recognise this?
2 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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It’s not going to be particularly difficult to restore but their are going to be a few “why the hell would you do it like that” comments made as I do it.
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📝 Does anybody recognise this?
2 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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I recon probably 1960s
Looking at the build I would recon the chap was probably into bigger woodworking. The hull is very well made but the “fiddly bits” not so well.
I have already scraped of, sanded down and given the deck it’s first coat of satin yatch varnish. I think my target is go get it sailing for a brief outing to Woodbridge model boat pond on Boxing Day.
Looking at the build I would recon the chap was probably into bigger woodworking. The hull is very well made but the “fiddly bits” not so well.
I have already scraped of, sanded down and given the deck it’s first coat of satin yatch varnish. I think my target is go get it sailing for a brief outing to Woodbridge model boat pond on Boxing Day.
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📝 Does anybody recognise this?
2 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Hi,
It’s definitely a Grand Banks but what I am trying to find out is if it was built from any particular plan. The hull has been well carved and is bread and butter and the deck planked with pine ?
Hull length 34 inches.
The builder definitely liked cascamite wood glue because it’s all over the place and they didn’t wipe it of.
The masts and how they fit to the deck is - well odd and the rigging is mental; hooks everywhere and a lot of them in the wrong places.
Sails are made from kite material, very light and serviceable but looks a bit naf close up.
I will post more as I chip away the glue.
I may put radio in it but initially will probably set it up for free sailing as well as I want to see how it sails first.
I like schooners both old and new and have three or four. I introduced fast free sailing class A schooners to the Southwold Free sailing regattas about 20 years ago. 27 inches long, three pounds all up weight 2 pounds of which was in the bulb keel on a Victorian split keel 14 inches down.
I attach a photo just taken from a picture on the wall of gelt
Which wone the A class championships at Southwold.
It’s definitely a Grand Banks but what I am trying to find out is if it was built from any particular plan. The hull has been well carved and is bread and butter and the deck planked with pine ?
Hull length 34 inches.
The builder definitely liked cascamite wood glue because it’s all over the place and they didn’t wipe it of.
The masts and how they fit to the deck is - well odd and the rigging is mental; hooks everywhere and a lot of them in the wrong places.
Sails are made from kite material, very light and serviceable but looks a bit naf close up.
I will post more as I chip away the glue.
I may put radio in it but initially will probably set it up for free sailing as well as I want to see how it sails first.
I like schooners both old and new and have three or four. I introduced fast free sailing class A schooners to the Southwold Free sailing regattas about 20 years ago. 27 inches long, three pounds all up weight 2 pounds of which was in the bulb keel on a Victorian split keel 14 inches down.
I attach a photo just taken from a picture on the wall of gelt
Which wone the A class championships at Southwold.
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📝 Does anybody recognise this?
2 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Thanks for that. I had a look at their site but as you say the pictures are not great. I think you may be right on it.
It’s not the same size but I have scaled down a Prospero in the past.
It’s not the same size but I have scaled down a Prospero in the past.
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📝 Does anybody recognise this?
2 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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I agree about the rig just not to sure about the hull. Thanks, I will try to get a look at the plan.
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2 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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I picked this up at an auction on Monday really cheep.
Free sail with bread and butter construction. All the ringing cords need replacing as they are very fragile and I need to sand of a lot of blue on the deck but apart from that it’s ok.
It could be a one off but I wonder if anybody recognises it. A rather odd desighn with a lot of tumble home.
Free sail with bread and butter construction. All the ringing cords need replacing as they are very fragile and I need to sand of a lot of blue on the deck but apart from that it’s ok.
It could be a one off but I wonder if anybody recognises it. A rather odd desighn with a lot of tumble home.
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📝 A Tin Plate Free Sailing Barque
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Thanks I will try to find them. If you look on the “Bring back toy boats Facebook page they had something on clockwork tin submarines a couple of weeks ago.
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📝 A Tin Plate Free Sailing Barque
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Looking back at some articles and talking to a few people it seems that people were making model ships from tin plate from the early 1900’s.
Lot of advantages, a lot of things came, packed in good quality tin plate in those days from food to petrol. It was cheep, and people had the skills and time to work with it.
It seems to have been used almost exclusively for battleships and military marine models both working and static. Some were and apparently. still are being produced by specialist modellers although the source material ie good quality tin plate is more difficult to source these days.
This thing is not made from food grade tin - most of it is much thicker Oil drum stuff, but I suppose you use what you have got if you know how to do it, it’s about and it doesn’t cost you anything.
Lot of advantages, a lot of things came, packed in good quality tin plate in those days from food to petrol. It was cheep, and people had the skills and time to work with it.
It seems to have been used almost exclusively for battleships and military marine models both working and static. Some were and apparently. still are being produced by specialist modellers although the source material ie good quality tin plate is more difficult to source these days.
This thing is not made from food grade tin - most of it is much thicker Oil drum stuff, but I suppose you use what you have got if you know how to do it, it’s about and it doesn’t cost you anything.
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📝 A Tin Plate Free Sailing Barque
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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I think you are possibly right about the building and the oil drums. The brain gear sounds about right as well. The rudder spindle is much more flimsy than I would expect A model maker to use its supported but I suppose you used what you had.
I seem to specialise in the odd. The schooner was found in a skip in Swansea by a friend of mine while walking his dog.
The phone call went, “ hi Dave, I’ve sent you a picture but I am standing right next to it at the moment - do you want me to take it home?” To my answer of yes he replied “ do you want the A class yatch as well?”.
So I have two A class yatch hulls now. It’s good to have friends.
I seem to specialise in the odd. The schooner was found in a skip in Swansea by a friend of mine while walking his dog.
The phone call went, “ hi Dave, I’ve sent you a picture but I am standing right next to it at the moment - do you want me to take it home?” To my answer of yes he replied “ do you want the A class yatch as well?”.
So I have two A class yatch hulls now. It’s good to have friends.
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📝 A Tin Plate Free Sailing Barque
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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📝 A Tin Plate Free Sailing Barque
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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I don’t really post near that much so don’t really know people but please anybody .... get in touch about it.
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📝 A Tin Plate Free Sailing Barque
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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It’s not actually that big, probably about 60 hours to rig and sort things out.
A bit like the Grint it’s not going to sail much, to big to heavy and to far to get a good bit of water for it.
The mane thing is to try to document the thing. It came with an Italian merchant Maureen flag so I think it was probably a real ship registered in Italy. People were still making metal Barques Certainly until 1910 because they were being registered.
I want to find out what the ship is and if anybody else ever made any sail powered tin plate ships.
Looking at this one I suspect it was probably made by a tradesman working At a dock or boat yard in his down time or at home.
The old sails hooked on to the masts so you could set whatever sail plan you liked up for any conditions so he understood and had probably sailed on something like this.
The metalwork is - well Not exactly normal model quality. This chap certainly knew what he was doing with a soldering iron and built a battleship god help anything it hit. He understood brain gear but how things are laid out just isn’t how I think an experienced model maker would do things.
Still for £80 hammer price at an auction in Diss I could not really leave it.
Must have taken a long time to make - the question I would like to know is exactly why Did he do it out Of old oil drums.
It really is heavy.
A bit like the Grint it’s not going to sail much, to big to heavy and to far to get a good bit of water for it.
The mane thing is to try to document the thing. It came with an Italian merchant Maureen flag so I think it was probably a real ship registered in Italy. People were still making metal Barques Certainly until 1910 because they were being registered.
I want to find out what the ship is and if anybody else ever made any sail powered tin plate ships.
Looking at this one I suspect it was probably made by a tradesman working At a dock or boat yard in his down time or at home.
The old sails hooked on to the masts so you could set whatever sail plan you liked up for any conditions so he understood and had probably sailed on something like this.
The metalwork is - well Not exactly normal model quality. This chap certainly knew what he was doing with a soldering iron and built a battleship god help anything it hit. He understood brain gear but how things are laid out just isn’t how I think an experienced model maker would do things.
Still for £80 hammer price at an auction in Diss I could not really leave it.
Must have taken a long time to make - the question I would like to know is exactly why Did he do it out Of old oil drums.
It really is heavy.
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📝 A Tin Plate Free Sailing Barque
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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I have recently acquired a free sailing Barque. 110cm long Hull ..... and made out of tin plate.
I think that I am coming to some sort of an understanding of the working rigging of a barque now having had some input from a friend of mine down in Wales - although any other input would be most appreciated. I think I might leave this as a free sailor like the Grint - a four masted coasting schooner that I have.
More old rotted sails keep coming to light as I dig around in the bowels of this thing and dry it our. Yes there was about a gallon of water in it when I got it - don’t ask, I don’t know why, but I suppose it proves that the hull is watertight.
Not bothered about the sails - it came with a full set of new ones. I know a little bit about tin plate boats, well I do now as I have been reading up. Although I have found out quite a bit on people making working tin ships I have found no references at all to any sail powered ones.
Looking at this I think that it was initially made as a working model, watertight bulkheads, watertight hatches, drain holes to clear the decks of water, Much simplified fairly clear decks, detachable sails etc. Oh, and I forgot, what seems to be the remnants of brains gear which once operated of the spanker like on the Grint ( pictures attached) but on this one it operates on much too small a rudder. I dont think this chap had that much experience of sailing models.
It seems that at a later date things were rigged up so that the ships wheel could actualy work the rudder via strings but the roof of the arft structure has been soldered on over the workings so at the moment observations and examination is being carried out through a 2cm door while moving things about inside with operating forceps and shining a torch in through a very small porthole.
I can see why it finished up as a static, probably in someone’s workshop down at a dock somewhere. It is bloody heavy and you would have needed a very substantial pram to carry it.
Anyway, between other projects it is providing some light and enjoyable relief.
I think that I am coming to some sort of an understanding of the working rigging of a barque now having had some input from a friend of mine down in Wales - although any other input would be most appreciated. I think I might leave this as a free sailor like the Grint - a four masted coasting schooner that I have.
More old rotted sails keep coming to light as I dig around in the bowels of this thing and dry it our. Yes there was about a gallon of water in it when I got it - don’t ask, I don’t know why, but I suppose it proves that the hull is watertight.
Not bothered about the sails - it came with a full set of new ones. I know a little bit about tin plate boats, well I do now as I have been reading up. Although I have found out quite a bit on people making working tin ships I have found no references at all to any sail powered ones.
Looking at this I think that it was initially made as a working model, watertight bulkheads, watertight hatches, drain holes to clear the decks of water, Much simplified fairly clear decks, detachable sails etc. Oh, and I forgot, what seems to be the remnants of brains gear which once operated of the spanker like on the Grint ( pictures attached) but on this one it operates on much too small a rudder. I dont think this chap had that much experience of sailing models.
It seems that at a later date things were rigged up so that the ships wheel could actualy work the rudder via strings but the roof of the arft structure has been soldered on over the workings so at the moment observations and examination is being carried out through a 2cm door while moving things about inside with operating forceps and shining a torch in through a very small porthole.
I can see why it finished up as a static, probably in someone’s workshop down at a dock somewhere. It is bloody heavy and you would have needed a very substantial pram to carry it.
Anyway, between other projects it is providing some light and enjoyable relief.
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📝 The Helen Barnet Gring - the things you find in skips
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Hi, thanks for the offer. I suspect you mean the ones that Brown, Son and Ferguson in Glasgow have. I did wonder about getting them when I got hold of the boat originally but realistically I never needed to.
Everything was more or less there when I got it - just knocked a bit flat. There are a number of photos of good static models of the ship about so I gust worked from them. The good thing about schooners is that there isn’t that much string hanging about on the rigs really.
Although mine is a sailing model most of the rigging as per full size is on it and working.
These are some of the other pictures of models of the Gring and similar schooners that I used for reference when making repairs. The internet can be really useful sometimes.
Everything was more or less there when I got it - just knocked a bit flat. There are a number of photos of good static models of the ship about so I gust worked from them. The good thing about schooners is that there isn’t that much string hanging about on the rigs really.
Although mine is a sailing model most of the rigging as per full size is on it and working.
These are some of the other pictures of models of the Gring and similar schooners that I used for reference when making repairs. The internet can be really useful sometimes.
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📝 The Helen Barnet Gring - the things you find in skips
4 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Thanks.
Yes used tea and coffey before. The reason I use acrylics sometimes is that I need an exact match to other rigging nd I have sort of got into the habit.
On a few of occasions over the years I have been asked to renovate very old statics for museums for display. You cannot and indeed shouldn’t replace any more than you actually have to on things like that, you need to conserve as much of the original as possible.
With acrylics I can play about with things until I get it exactly right. I also then have a small bottle of an exact colour match in store for if I need to do more work on the boat at another time. This I usually give to the museum with notes on things so that if anybody else does it they know where I was coming from.
I do the same with wood stains. I have a stock of different wood water stains that I mix up to get exactly what I want. Again this is a trick I got from an Anteques restorer years ago.
You use such small amounts usually that the “sample” selection that I got from White friers in little bottles years ago is still in use. When I have needed more of any colour I get it by the big bottle and decant it as necessary.
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Yes used tea and coffey before. The reason I use acrylics sometimes is that I need an exact match to other rigging nd I have sort of got into the habit.
On a few of occasions over the years I have been asked to renovate very old statics for museums for display. You cannot and indeed shouldn’t replace any more than you actually have to on things like that, you need to conserve as much of the original as possible.
With acrylics I can play about with things until I get it exactly right. I also then have a small bottle of an exact colour match in store for if I need to do more work on the boat at another time. This I usually give to the museum with notes on things so that if anybody else does it they know where I was coming from.
I do the same with wood stains. I have a stock of different wood water stains that I mix up to get exactly what I want. Again this is a trick I got from an Anteques restorer years ago.
You use such small amounts usually that the “sample” selection that I got from White friers in little bottles years ago is still in use. When I have needed more of any colour I get it by the big bottle and decant it as necessary.
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4 years ago by 🇬🇧 peewit ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Sometimes it’s good to be old - at last, people with as long ago memories as me.
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Hi,
Thanks.
Yes used tea and coffey before. The reason I use acrylics sometimes is that I need an exact match to other rigging nd I have sort of got into the habit.
On a few of occasions over the years I have been asked to renovate very old statics for museums for display. You cannot and indeed shouldn’t replace any more than you actually have to on things like that, you need to conserve as much of the original as possible.
With acrylics I can play about with things until I get it exactly right. I also then have a small bottle of an exact colour match in store for if I need to do more work on the boat at another time. This I usually give to the museum with notes on things so that if anybody else does it they know where I was coming from.
I do the same with wood stains. I have a stock of different wood water stains that I mix up to get exactly what I want. Again this is a trick I got from an Anteques restorer years ago.
You use such small amounts usually that the “sample” selection that I got from White friers in little bottles years ago is still in use. When I have needed more of any colour I get it by the big bottle and decant it as necessary.
Thanks.
Yes used tea and coffey before. The reason I use acrylics sometimes is that I need an exact match to other rigging nd I have sort of got into the habit.
On a few of occasions over the years I have been asked to renovate very old statics for museums for display. You cannot and indeed shouldn’t replace any more than you actually have to on things like that, you need to conserve as much of the original as possible.
With acrylics I can play about with things until I get it exactly right. I also then have a small bottle of an exact colour match in store for if I need to do more work on the boat at another time. This I usually give to the museum with notes on things so that if anybody else does it they know where I was coming from.
I do the same with wood stains. I have a stock of different wood water stains that I mix up to get exactly what I want. Again this is a trick I got from an Anteques restorer years ago.
You use such small amounts usually that the “sample” selection that I got from White friers in little bottles years ago is still in use. When I have needed more of any colour I get it by the big bottle and decant it as necessary.
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Really interesting presentation- I got a lot of ideas from it.
Never thought of using silkspan in that way. Used to use it in preference to tissue on planes.
Never thought of using silkspan in that way. Used to use it in preference to tissue on planes.
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Going to do that, problem with me is my ability to find things on my big machine is not good. It’s a mac with a huge memory and my filing is not up to much. It’s in there somewhere with the rest of my stuff on the boat so it should surface eventually.
The model itself is fairly straightforward, simple brain gear steering.
What is interesting is the keel on the thing, which also doubles up as it’s stand. The chap used a variation on the old Victorian bar keel. It’s actually quite effective if you want stability and not speed but I have never seen another like it. I am actually surprised it’s not more common.
I will post on it and take more pictures if necessary later tonight or tomorrow.
Any thoughts on it when I do or if other people have seen anything like it would be much appreciated.
The model itself is fairly straightforward, simple brain gear steering.
What is interesting is the keel on the thing, which also doubles up as it’s stand. The chap used a variation on the old Victorian bar keel. It’s actually quite effective if you want stability and not speed but I have never seen another like it. I am actually surprised it’s not more common.
I will post on it and take more pictures if necessary later tonight or tomorrow.
Any thoughts on it when I do or if other people have seen anything like it would be much appreciated.
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The ship is in sailing condition now and somewhere on my main computer I have got pictures of her sailing at Eastern Park Lake in Norwich a couple of years ago. I actually use one of them as my background screen on my iPad but I don’t know how to get it of the thing to simply post it as a picture.
Most of the work that needed to be done was done when I got the boat and now it’s just got a lot of old string giving up the ghost occasionally and falling to bits with age. I always try to be very conservative on any type of working restoration basically for two reasons.
All the cordage on something old like this is linen or cotton thread. It changes colour with age, becomes brittle if it hasn’t been waxed when first put on (because as a sailing model it keeps getting wet and over time degrades as an organic and eventually just disintegrates).
Take a look at the hoops on the arft mast on the photo I originally posted. This ship sits on a book case in what my wife calls our “library” area at the top of the stairs. I must pass it five times a day and I hadn't noticed that over the last year half the hoops had become detached and dropped down on the arft mast.
Problem is when you try to replace any cordage it doesn’t match colour wise. If you replace one little bit it stands out a mile. I do age things by running cordage through very very thinned down acrylic paint and then passing it through thumb and forefinger to squeeze most of it out. Let it dry and check for colour match. If it doesn’t repeat until you get it right. Just use bits of cord and when you know it’s a match do quite a bit of it as you will never get exactly the same results again and you know you will need more eventually.
Second reason I am conservative is that it’s not just the colour match - it’s the cord twist and diameter. My wife complains of my constantly growing collection of spools of linen thread. If I see one going cheap I get it as eventually if I live long enough I will find a use for it.
Waxing (bees wax) the thread really helps preserve it, just drag it over a block of the stuff before applying. Gets into the fibres, gives them a bit of protection and helps hold knots. I always fix the knot with tiny a dab of matt yatch varnish.
Most of the work that needed to be done was done when I got the boat and now it’s just got a lot of old string giving up the ghost occasionally and falling to bits with age. I always try to be very conservative on any type of working restoration basically for two reasons.
All the cordage on something old like this is linen or cotton thread. It changes colour with age, becomes brittle if it hasn’t been waxed when first put on (because as a sailing model it keeps getting wet and over time degrades as an organic and eventually just disintegrates).
Take a look at the hoops on the arft mast on the photo I originally posted. This ship sits on a book case in what my wife calls our “library” area at the top of the stairs. I must pass it five times a day and I hadn't noticed that over the last year half the hoops had become detached and dropped down on the arft mast.
Problem is when you try to replace any cordage it doesn’t match colour wise. If you replace one little bit it stands out a mile. I do age things by running cordage through very very thinned down acrylic paint and then passing it through thumb and forefinger to squeeze most of it out. Let it dry and check for colour match. If it doesn’t repeat until you get it right. Just use bits of cord and when you know it’s a match do quite a bit of it as you will never get exactly the same results again and you know you will need more eventually.
Second reason I am conservative is that it’s not just the colour match - it’s the cord twist and diameter. My wife complains of my constantly growing collection of spools of linen thread. If I see one going cheap I get it as eventually if I live long enough I will find a use for it.
Waxing (bees wax) the thread really helps preserve it, just drag it over a block of the stuff before applying. Gets into the fibres, gives them a bit of protection and helps hold knots. I always fix the knot with tiny a dab of matt yatch varnish.
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Just done a bit digging on Vic, Actually he was very prolific On the boat side indead
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Hi,
Just seen this.
Vick actually designed several boats which found there way into the MAP plans range as well as tons of aircraft. Most of his stuff was aimed at beginners and the less experienced modeller to get them going. He was very prolific.
Most of his boats were small and free sailing though. I actually thought that the biggest thing he did was Gosling a hard chine R36 which I actually still have.
I actually met him twice when I was his “hands” on Blue Peter for BBC television in 1961 when he did a couple of chuck gliders for them.
I still have my Blue Peter badge somewhere.
Really a very nice kind man who I suppose was responsible for getting me hooked on model making of all kinds.
First time I ever had any status For my skills at my comprehensive school in industrial Sheffield actually being on the telly.
Just seen this.
Vick actually designed several boats which found there way into the MAP plans range as well as tons of aircraft. Most of his stuff was aimed at beginners and the less experienced modeller to get them going. He was very prolific.
Most of his boats were small and free sailing though. I actually thought that the biggest thing he did was Gosling a hard chine R36 which I actually still have.
I actually met him twice when I was his “hands” on Blue Peter for BBC television in 1961 when he did a couple of chuck gliders for them.
I still have my Blue Peter badge somewhere.
Really a very nice kind man who I suppose was responsible for getting me hooked on model making of all kinds.
First time I ever had any status For my skills at my comprehensive school in industrial Sheffield actually being on the telly.
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📝 The Helen Barnet Gring - the things you find in skips
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I will add to this thread as I get time over the next few days.
First a bit of history on the ship.
The HELEN BARNET GRING, was a four-masted coasting schooner built in 1919 by Robert L. Bean of Camden, Maine for the Boston, Massachusetts shipping firm of Crowell and Thurlow.
Employed as a coasting schooner, the GRING sailed in the coastal and West Indies trade; generally carrying cargoes of stone, lumber, and coal. Captain Francis Bowker, who sailed aboard her said “The GRING was steady as a rock with a clean swept hold and could carry whole sail and topsails in a good, fresh breeze.” She must have been a powerful vessel as she is forever immortalized by John F. Leavitt in his book Wake of the Coasters for causing the loss of the Schooner WILLIAM BOOTH. Leavitt mentions the 1928 tragedy; when “the three-masted WILLIAM BOOTH, stone laden, was cut down and sunk by the four-master HELEN BARNET GRING,” three times in the course of his book.
During her 21 year career the GRING sailed under 4 separate masters; James W. Howard, Clarence W. Holden, George Mohr, and Will Plummer. Captain Plummer, in addition to commanding the GRING, was also the owner, having purchased her in 1937.
The Schooner’s career ended on Oct. 22, 1940 when the HELEN BARNET GRING was shipwrecked and lost off Cay Verde, Cuba .
First a bit of history on the ship.
The HELEN BARNET GRING, was a four-masted coasting schooner built in 1919 by Robert L. Bean of Camden, Maine for the Boston, Massachusetts shipping firm of Crowell and Thurlow.
Employed as a coasting schooner, the GRING sailed in the coastal and West Indies trade; generally carrying cargoes of stone, lumber, and coal. Captain Francis Bowker, who sailed aboard her said “The GRING was steady as a rock with a clean swept hold and could carry whole sail and topsails in a good, fresh breeze.” She must have been a powerful vessel as she is forever immortalized by John F. Leavitt in his book Wake of the Coasters for causing the loss of the Schooner WILLIAM BOOTH. Leavitt mentions the 1928 tragedy; when “the three-masted WILLIAM BOOTH, stone laden, was cut down and sunk by the four-master HELEN BARNET GRING,” three times in the course of his book.
During her 21 year career the GRING sailed under 4 separate masters; James W. Howard, Clarence W. Holden, George Mohr, and Will Plummer. Captain Plummer, in addition to commanding the GRING, was also the owner, having purchased her in 1937.
The Schooner’s career ended on Oct. 22, 1940 when the HELEN BARNET GRING was shipwrecked and lost off Cay Verde, Cuba .
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📝 The Helen Barnet Gring - the things you find in skips
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After a day in the greenhouse when it rained and wiring in grape vines to one of the gardens walls I have decided that it’s time to stop fret-sawing out wooden gears for a clock I am making and have come to bed.
As a newcomer looking at this site it really is interesting what you have got on it and what you can put up. It would be fair to say I am only semi literate with a computer so it does you credit that I can actually understand how to post things.
My only real interest is actual sailing models with what I would suppose you would call “character”.
Yes when asked I will tackle the odd restoration of an interesting static but basically I want it to go.
I also have friends who think of me at odd moments and about three years ago I got a phone call from one of them who lives in Wales while walking his dog.
‘Dave, there is a chap just throwing a couple of model boats into a skip, one has four masts and the other is a bit over six feet long. Just sending photos to your phone, I thought you might want them?”
Well the answer was obviously yes so three days later I made the 285 mile trip to Swansea in the back of another friends car and we all spent a happy night drinking the bottle of whisky I had taken down and the next day came back with an A class fibre glass yatch hull and most of a 47 inch long free sailing brain gear steered 4 masted American Coasting Schooner - it was being thrown away - really!!!
I thought people might be interested and took this picture of it on the way up the stairs to bed, I will post more tomorrow if I get chance. It does actually sail; not fast but it looks very impressive when on the water. It’s also got quite a history behind it both as a model and a full size ship - i notice it also needs a bit of work doing on it again. I managed to keep most of the original rigging where I could but it’s so old it’s breaking up a bit.
As a newcomer looking at this site it really is interesting what you have got on it and what you can put up. It would be fair to say I am only semi literate with a computer so it does you credit that I can actually understand how to post things.
My only real interest is actual sailing models with what I would suppose you would call “character”.
Yes when asked I will tackle the odd restoration of an interesting static but basically I want it to go.
I also have friends who think of me at odd moments and about three years ago I got a phone call from one of them who lives in Wales while walking his dog.
‘Dave, there is a chap just throwing a couple of model boats into a skip, one has four masts and the other is a bit over six feet long. Just sending photos to your phone, I thought you might want them?”
Well the answer was obviously yes so three days later I made the 285 mile trip to Swansea in the back of another friends car and we all spent a happy night drinking the bottle of whisky I had taken down and the next day came back with an A class fibre glass yatch hull and most of a 47 inch long free sailing brain gear steered 4 masted American Coasting Schooner - it was being thrown away - really!!!
I thought people might be interested and took this picture of it on the way up the stairs to bed, I will post more tomorrow if I get chance. It does actually sail; not fast but it looks very impressive when on the water. It’s also got quite a history behind it both as a model and a full size ship - i notice it also needs a bit of work doing on it again. I managed to keep most of the original rigging where I could but it’s so old it’s breaking up a bit.
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