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    (Fire Boat) Aerokits Fireboat crashtender 46"
    twin 800kv motors, propshop props, 22.5mph, 4 x 7.4v lipos painstaking rebuild, see the full build in the blog section (ESC: turnigy 60a) (9/10)
    (Working Vessel) The Orca
    the boat has working cabin and nav lights, a smoke unit, a bespoke sound unit which incorporates original sound clips from the movie, operated from the transmitter, which has onboard stereo speakers, and an amplifier! Panit colours are realistic, the codes were provided by Universal pictures! Figures were painstakingly recreated by remodelling star wars figures! (ESC: Electronise) (8/10)
    (Pleasure Craft) Veron Huntsman 28
    24.5mph is the max speed recorded using eagle tree data logging, great fun, but short run times. I have a number of gear ratios that I can use, depending on the size of lake, do I need acceleration, or max speed for bigger lake. its a Veron Huntsman 28, weighs 6kgs with batteries, heavily modified, next year will get a twin brushless conversion, as this is a very inefficient set up (Motor: Scorpion 890KV) (ESC: Castle creations 120Amp) (10/10)
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    Gearbox on 2:1 ratio is also used, for now its just direct drive. Very efficient, however the boat rolls far too much, over time the spray raisdlhave been rubbed down, they need renewing to Improve stability, straight line speed is very good!. Boat was originally mad3e by my Uncle in the early 1960's (Motor: Turnigy T600 880KV) (ESC: Turnigy 60amp) (8/10)
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    πŸ“ Veron Huntsman 28 riding the white horses!
    24 days ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Ah bad luck
    Lemon gets good reports amongst the rc plane fraternity and so much cheaper than spektrum
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    πŸ“ Veron Huntsman 28 riding the white horses!
    25 days ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Yes I've got blue and yellow the one you can see when its airborne ha ha
    Orange stabilizer will work with dx6 they are a bit finicky to get working, you can't have any rates at all preset in tx
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    πŸ“ Veron Huntsman 28 riding the white horses!
    25 days ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    That's the one I have dynam with a couple of easy tweaks it's a pussycat!

    Fly it off grass Doug to get your hand in on water it's more difficult.

    Flies fine off grass, sand and so on
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    πŸ“ Veron Huntsman 28 riding the white horses!
    25 days ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Your right doug although the real boats where floating gin palaces back in the day and most did have chrome window frames it looks too much.
    I'll be going back to polished aluminium which is easy to do. Humbrol do a range of about 4 metal finishes in the small cheap tins. I've used these extensively you brush on and it goes on real nice it dries in minutes then you buff with a soft cloth. I used small stainless pins for the rivet detail this giving them polished heads and scroungers off cuts from the local vehicle window tinters for the glazing which is clear plasticard except the front window and the windscreen which is 3mm lean for strength and rigidity
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    πŸ“ Veron Huntsman 28 riding the white horses!
    26 days ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Difficult to see but look at the pic attached. Those vents, synonymous on the huntsman boats where vac formed in clear plastic card. Then painted from the inside using an American brand called alclad chrome, pretty much Impossible to get in the UK now but the finish looks just like mirror chrome.
    All the car stuff from halfords etc is just bright silver and has no mirror reflection, over the top really but it's what I wanted.
    Pretty much all model boat parts available are white metal or plastic, my first version had aluminium frames and too be honest looked better. The build log is on here somewhere from years ago!

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    πŸ“ Veron Huntsman 28 riding the white horses!
    26 days ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Last time I refurbished or at least tidied the boat up, about 3 years ago, I realised it was impossible to find chrome parts or a rechromer who would do small parts. I stumbled across a northwest company called chrome illusion and after some badgering he agreed to put all my small parts in the paint booth next time he was doing chrome paint.
    It's a treatment he has patented and its paint but the prep was the key.
    Over time the metal parts have remained beautiful but the plastic parts such as the window frames have suffered, mainly due to water Ingress getting under the paint.
    When I tidy things up I'm going back to a stainless finish on the frames as I think they look more subtle and less like bright silver paint

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    πŸ“ Veron Huntsman 28 riding the white horses!
    28 days ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    thanks Guys,

    Its a very self indulgent, selfish boat, takes up a lot of room on the water, makes a lot of noise (a while ago I was told you cant sail IC on this lake!πŸ˜‚)and for some its a lot of work for 10 mins running, but I love it.

    After a long time in the box I noticed the chrome finish is coming off the window frames, so Ill have to fix that, sometime in the future!
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    πŸ“ Veron Huntsman 28 riding the white horses!
    29 days ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Its been a while...…

    I have been making an Aerokits Sea Rover for a deceased friends wife, he started it, I'm finishing it. I don't do scratch builds, I'm not one to say its enjoyable, to me it isn't! However, as the model has been progressing, and the current windy weather has stopped my flying rc planes, Ive been thinking about my Huntsman which has been in its box for about 2yrs.
    Not long ago, I inherited two 8000mah brand new huge 6 cell lipo packs, and I've been wondering what I can use these for, forgetting that the Huntsman runs on 6 cells, usually two 3 cell packs either side of the motor, so today, weather was perfect for this boat. Bright, sunny, and windy, so I charges the batts up and went for a thrash.
    The batts cant fit next to the motor, too big, so had to go in the cabin, so it was a bit bow heavy, until the speed picked up and it went on the plane. About 10 mins running, which is plenty for me, but thats generally going fast😎
    If it wasnt for the fact its sooooo heavy, it would probably be faster, or run longer, I remember in testing, once it hits 25mph it gets very unstable, whicvh is where it is nowπŸ˜€
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    πŸ“ Transport System for model boats
    2 months ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    I bought two of these, they where perfect for my 4 foot fireboat, and 4 foot Huntsman. They are 700 size rc helicpter boxes, and are ideal for storage in the shed, garage etc. They fit in an estate car, and all the extra parafanalia like batteries, tools etc goes in. I was lucky to find these two reduced as they had damage.
    I swopped the small useless wheels and added some internal foam

    Now, I might be selling one, as the 4 foot fireboat has gone, if I decide to sell one Ill post here first!

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    πŸ“ 46" RAF Crash Tender
    2 months ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    with regard to lights,

    white at top of mast just use an led that fits in the mast and run the wires inside. I ditched the white metal mast, its weak, and a bit of a mess imo. Its not too difficult to make one from some cheap brass.

    green and red nav lights (I used the tips from pens to replicate the shapes of the mountings)

    blue front of wheelhouse under the mast stand (see number 72 on attachment)

    white search light

    much talk of the white stern light! but no mention in any of the Vosper paperwork, (but it is on one of the pictures)

    Then if you want to illuminate inside the cabins etc, I used pygmy bulbs to give the yellow look

    It now all depends on the level of detail you want. I made my mast to fold as per the original, I read that the unusual shape of the mast legs was due to the fact they used plane propeller blades (RAF boat don't forget) they do resemble this, but its a nice story!

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    πŸ“ Mixing throttle and rudder
    2 months ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    I did this, well sort of, by using the settings in my transmitter, which at the time was a spektrum DX6i.

    You use dual rates, and exponential settings, I would imagine most modern 2.4 sets have this feature.

    In simple language, dual rates (D/R) will limit the throw, so by experimenting you flick the switch, and all of a sudden you have limited the throw of the rudder, flick it back for slower speeds and you have full movement.
    Exponential (expo) nulls the centre stick movement, and is generally on the same switch, so it makes the stick (rudder) in your case less sensitive, so easier to use at higher speed.
    Just remember though, most transmitters and receiver have aeroplane terminology, so, if your rudder is right stick, this is labelled as the aileron in the instructions, menu and so on

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    πŸ“ Martin Westquay's Piper Cub ;-)
    2 months ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    not sure what I have man read here, was it a cub for sale? any opportunity on my rare visits to the forum to blab about anything that I have an interest in! so here is my Beaver float plane, with custom Harbour Freight decals and paint job!I was experimenting with servo operated rudder floats, every fibre in my body was saying dont fly on salt water, but how could you resist that backdropπŸ‘

    Floats are quite tricky to take off and land with, easier with the likes of my avatar, a boat style hull, but more prone to bouncing which looks rubbish!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH9c7_wBXm4&t=15s
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    πŸ“ 46" RAF Crash Tender
    2 months ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    reminded me of the time I wired up my four footer, I had pygmy bulbs in the cabins etc, as they gave off a yellow more authentic light, and used "modellers license" on the rest with led's just so they could be seen.
    The light under the mast cradle was blue, I remember deliberating over the rear light but as it was off centre, I didn't do it as I reckon everyone would be thinking its been fitted wrong!

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    πŸ“ 46" RAF Crash Tender
    3 months ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    if you look real close under the tow hook, you can see the planking
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    πŸ“ Prop size and speed
    3 months ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    I did a lot of amp/watts/rpm and gps speed testing with my twin screw 4 foot fireboat, you might wnat to take a look. The quickest and easiest, and by far cheapest route is change from s prop to x prop thus increasing the pitch. They are real cheap to buy (plasic ones)so get a couple of sizes, start with the smallest. You can buy cheap inline amp meters, so using this you can see how the amp draw alters

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    πŸ“ sea rover build and I hate wood!
    3 months ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    thanks Rob, I was thinking it was going to have to be soaked, which would have been a pain!

    Ill heat gun, once the skins are on, and the hull is glassed, it should be back to the territory I like!

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    πŸ“ 6 years on
    3 months ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    cant believe this was 6 years ago, I sold the boat a year ago to fund other RC Projects, but you know when something leaves your manshed, and the very next day you regret it!

    Hopefully its getting use from the new owner, as it was sitting in the box in my possession, which was a shame☹️
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    πŸ“ sea rover build and I hate wood!
    3 months ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    so here I am again, helping with a deceased estate, but this time he was a model plane flier, his widow put out a message asking if some kind soul would finish a boat he had started, as I have boat experience, all eyes looked in my direction, I didn't even know the chap! but help was required, so my hand went up. I only do ebay rescues, refurbs, and so on, never wanted to do a scratch build, in fact, I hate working with wood, so I thought it would be something that wanted a cosmetic job, wrong, its a slec kit, and still wants a load of work.
    So, after weeks of putting it off, I took a close look, I have plans, instructions, and all the wood, when looking careful, there is a note inside the hull saying happy Christmas 2018 to my wife, it was going to be a present for her as she always wanted to sail a model boat on the Hoylake (Wirral) lake as they lived right by it, so now its pulling at my heart strings and needs to be completed, thats where you lot come in.
    Whats the next job! how do I bend the wood, do I trim it now, or after its glued up ! Help please!
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    πŸ“ boat building jig
    5 months ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    I don't want to just throw this in the bin, but its in the way, any offer accepted, how about a tenner! it must be worth that for the bolts etc alone! collection only at this priceπŸ‘

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    πŸ“ 3000mah 6 cell lipo's
    5 months ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Selling as part of estate,
    These are Turnigy 3000mah 20-30c discharge 6 cell packs.. All are in storage mode and have been well cared for. Β£15 each is a bargain, there is one with damaged heatshrink, cells are fine, no puffing, but that is Β£10 due to damage, or Β£60 for all of them in one go!


    posting lipos is very difficult, if you want them posting I will do it at cost, but if the package is opened, and they are destroyed, its your risk, no refunds, collection preferred. If you are going to Hooton show, Im not far away north Wirral
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    πŸ“ 8000mah 6 cell lipo as new
    5 months ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Selling as part of estate,.

    This is a 6 cell Turnigy Nano-tech massive 8000mah! 25 to 50c discharge. As you can see, the tag is still on the leads, its well cared for, no puffing, and is in storage mode,
    The plane this was for was never flown and was unfinished, so I doubt this has ever been used. These are very expensive, well over Β£60 each plus postage, Ill offer this for Β£30 ono. Posting lipos is very difficult, I can use my hermes at cost which would be confirmed but its approx Β£6.00 due to weight, but it the package is opened, and the lipo is destroyed its your risk, as you are not supposed to post lipos, so collection is preferred.
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    πŸ“ boat building jig
    5 months ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi all,
    for the second time, Im disposing of a deceased estate. The chap was rc planes and helis, but, he was also building a boat for his wife as a present. I have taken on finishing the boat, but this appeared, I found the details here
    https://www.alwayshobbies.com/tools/workshop-organisers/hobb...


    So based on the price of Β£50 plus postage new, I would offer this for Β£20. Its a very comprehensive jig, so must be worth that, and I need to sell it quick. Proceeds are returned to the widow. I live North Wirral, so if you are going to the Hooton show its not far to pick up. I can post at cost, but the base board is heavy so collection is preferred. Cash or paypal, but if you want it saving for a few weeks then I must ask for payment in full immediately.
    https://www.alwayshobbies.com/tools/workshop-organisers/hobbyzone-professional-building-slip-for-model-ships
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    πŸ“ Exciters/transducers
    1 year ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    More dense really. The epo foam used on the ready to fly rc planes is ideal. I used Depron on the fire boat it’s the stuff used to insulate flooring. it was ok but a bit brittle.

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    πŸ“ Exciters/transducers
    1 year ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Im not on here that much, so a little late picking this up. Are you talking about TT25 transducers like the ones Mrrcsound sell/ I suppose they all work the same, I've used these a lot, in planes mostly, and experimented with boats, so can offer some hands on advice.
    Firstly, you don't cut any holes to let sound out, as this isn't how they work. its all about the vibrations. The centre ring is epoxied (that's the best way, they have to be permanent, but with some teasing they can be removed it required, rather than cyno) to the surface, which obviously needs to be flat. The thinner the material, the more sound, but its marginal, as the thinner you go, the less bass, or deeper tones. With planes, the best material by far is the epo foam, so when mounting into a ply or balsa plane they work best going to foam, then the ply, and the same will apply for a boat. 2-3mm is generally the optimum thickness. Remember, the area is going to vibrate, so use an area that can do this, the sides of a hull are ideal. The back of the transducers get hot, so don't cover the back, the heat has to dissipate and once secure, make sure the unit can move in and out, its easy to drip glue in the wrong place and the whole thing gets stuck, it wont vibrate now, so won't do the job.
    Also, its worth epoxying the transducer to 2mm foam, epo that the ready to fly planes works best, its close density, the stuff that packs white goods is poor as its a more open density and falls apart. Once you have this, you can move it around by just holding it against the hull to see where the best sound is.

    All this is relevant to the Mrrcsound transducers, I use a number of his sound units, so cant really comment on what you are using as I cant find that info on this thread (did a man read!)
    Here are a couple of my models to give you an ideaπŸ‘

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXFvrkDl7ow&t=207s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OITvPabFHY&t=165s

    so these are all Mrrcsound units, and both have two tt25 transducers either side ogf the hull and fuselage.

    With the Mrrcsound systems, you can use two tt25, if you want an additional two, then an aux amp is required
    hope that helps!
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    πŸ“ Spektrum, new, useless...
    1 year ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    very good points all, particularly Norman. Some artf models, foamies mainly, are far from that, I know, I've had some. So take for example a popular brand in small hobby shops, dynam. They make very good models, on a budget. They are ready to fly, once the receiver is in there. Β£120 ish gets a nice model, with something like a 5 foot span, so it can be big. Last one I had, after pre assembly checks, because I knew this would happen, motor firewall was loose, prop was on backwards, spar for wings needed attention as it didn't fit, some of the wires where labelled wrong, and the wheel retracts where both damaged by over tightening. I knew what to look for, but a novice Dad and Lad, buys a birthday present, assembles, goes to local footie field, and the inevitable happens.

    No range check, because they don't know about this
    no pre assembly checks
    no experience, or help (which is the benefit of a club)

    no insurance when the model crashes into the carpark and damages a car (ive seen this)

    Sorry, Ive taken this thread way off topic, so wont carry thsi on, apologies to the thread starter!

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    πŸ“ Spektrum, new, useless...
    1 year ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Five pounds will buy nothing now so it’s a bit silly comparing this. You could buy a bag of chips for 25p and a new bike for Β£25 but it all has no relevance. I’m sure you can get your own insurance but Β£3 a month is hardly expensive given the legal cover medical cover third party and public liability cover available. I never mentioned toy boats or yachts which are obviously slower. I don’t actually know any dedicated private model boat lakes where public have no access so there is always a risk. insurance is all about the risk. That’s what you cover. I bet pretty much the majority of model boaters have no insurance but that doesn’t mean it’s right. Planes are another matter and I believe anybody flying without insurance is reckless irrespective of how long he has been doing it. The risk is greater

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    πŸ“ Spektrum, new, useless...
    1 year ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    you don't have to join a club . BMFA (British model flying association) will take none club members, you join as a country member. You don't actually have to take the proficiency test, but most clubs insist on it. Not only does it demonstrate a basic understanding, and basic competency of flight, electric, ic, petrol or free flight, its also an understanding of caa rules and safety. There is also the LMA (Large model association) which also carries public liability insurance.

    Flying without insurance just isn't worth the risk, imagine, on a nice hillside, nobody around, up on a thermal, and the tx fails, the soarer comes down, (anywhere as there is now no control) and hits an animal, or worse, a walker, would the Β£34 for a full year public liability insurance still seem expensive when you are hauled in court facing prosecution and possible imprisonment? Same with an rc boat, particularly a fast one, receiver packs in, boat is out of control, and little jonny has his hands in the water as it hits the bank, still don't think insurance is worthwhile? I bet a lot of people insure their mobile phone for more than Β£34 a year, by the way, Im sure BMFA insurance also covers other rc disciplines πŸ‘

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    πŸ“ Spektrum, new, useless...
    1 year ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    IFound out today via bmfa that horizon hobbies who looked after spectrum warranties and repairs are back in uk with darbrorc who are just outside stoke on Trent. Maybe they can get the tx tested and fixed?
    Several years ago I had a couple of frysky tx and they needed to be set up on a pc don’t know if this is still the case?

    trent
    spectrum
    mfa
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    πŸ“ Spektrum, new, useless...
    1 year ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    post up a pic of the orange rx, lets see what version it is. EG, I have a DX8i which will work with both dsm2 and dsmx, I bought it for this very reason, so I can use both.

    You keep saying that the tx needs to be found to be faulty or not, but as Doug says, if you don't have it in the correct format to match the receiver, its never going to work. Spektrum are reliable, so I doubt the tx is faulty


    BInd plug in receiver
    power source to receiver, orange light flashes quick (make sure its 6v, if you are using less it might not work, so think about this, I use a 4 aa pack to test things like this, last night doing exactly the same could not get a bind, the 4 aa's had dropped to 5.5v, change the batts, 6v all worked)
    hold tile trainer switch, turn on tx at same time
    keep hold of switch, wait a minute or so, light on rx goes steady.

    TX neds to match the rx, dsm2 or dsmx

    sorry if I'm repealing things, failing hat go to local rc boat, or plane club, and ask someone to second face what you are doing

    club
    switch
    rc plane
    receiver
    tx
    rx
    boat club
    rc boat
    power source
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    πŸ“ 1960,s huntsman
    1 year ago by pmdevlin ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Stuart, how long is the boat please?

    Paul

    huntsman
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