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    (Fire Boat) Aerokits Fireboat crashtender 46"
    twin 800kv motors, propshop props, 22.5mph, 4 x 7.4v lipos painstaking rebuild, see the full build in the blog section (ESC: turnigy 60a) (9/10)
    (Working Vessel) The Orca
    the boat has working cabin and nav lights, a smoke unit, a bespoke sound unit which incorporates original sound clips from the movie, operated from the transmitter, which has onboard stereo speakers, and an amplifier! Panit colours are realistic, the codes were provided by Universal pictures! Figures were painstakingly recreated by remodelling star wars figures! (ESC: Electronise) (8/10)
    (Pleasure Craft) Veron Huntsman 28
    24.5mph is the max speed recorded using eagle tree data logging, great fun, but short run times. I have a number of gear ratios that I can use, depending on the size of lake, do I need acceleration, or max speed for bigger lake. its a Veron Huntsman 28, weighs 6kgs with batteries, heavily modified, next year will get a twin brushless conversion, as this is a very inefficient set up (Motor: Scorpion 890KV) (ESC: Castle creations 120Amp) (10/10)
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    Gearbox on 2:1 ratio is also used, for now its just direct drive. Very efficient, however the boat rolls far too much, over time the spray raisdlhave been rubbed down, they need renewing to Improve stability, straight line speed is very good!. Boat was originally mad3e by my Uncle in the early 1960's (Motor: Turnigy T600 880KV) (ESC: Turnigy 60amp) (8/10)
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    πŸ“ 3 foot Perkasa for sale improved and reduced since last offer
    4 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    now sold
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    πŸ“ 3 foot Perkasa for sale improved and reduced since last offer
    4 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi all,
    tried to sell this some months back, no interest, so I decided to do some improvements, to make it perform better, and easier to use. I removed the triple screw set up, and replaced with a single motor. To make things as easy as possible to use, I have installed a Graupner 700bb brushed motor. You can use any battery chemistry with this, and it offers a wide voltage range. I have also removed the scale rudders in favour of slim ones. As its gone from triple to single screw, the prop wash isn't over the rudders now, so there is possible improvements to be had, I just used what I had to hand.

    Price reduced with two options

    1/ all running as per video, Ill leave the orange receiver in if someone is using spektrum transmitter Β£150

    2/ no running gear, just bare bones boat Β£100

    This is a bargain for a real nice hard grp plastic model. It has nice detail, and no wood rot or delamination worries. It will offer a nice project for someone who wants to make it run and perform to suit their own style. I will include the original 3 motors, props, shafts etc so if you want to go back to triple screw you can.

    I can deliver to Wirral or Cheshire (contact me first) or arrange a meet up (all subject to social distancing rules) if you are still housebound subject to none refundable deposit as I don't want messers. My latest RC Plane project arrives on Friday, I desperately need the space and money!
    radio controlled Perkasa motor torpedo boat
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    πŸ“ Perkasa for sale
    5 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi all,
    now things have started to relax somewhat, I'm back to work, travelling between Wirral and Crewe, so can now offer a drop off to Wirral or Cheshire (please ask first) to any prospective buyers, it can be dropped at the end of your path, subject to full payment in advance, this offer is not to look, if you need to look first then its a trip to north Wirral.
    I need the shelf space, and the funds for something else, so I want this gone now, so price reduced to Β£180.
    thanks
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Final reveal!
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    well done its real nice, hopper is my fav of your figures!

    now.… I tried various ways of having a shark, tried towing one, and tried various submarines, all failed, ive got the plans from glyn guest to build "nixie" which is a small easy rc sub, if I can get that to work, with a dorsal fin, great!
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    πŸ“ Info on this boat
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    Its a fireboat (crashtender), either 4 or 3 foot, its how this forum started, check out the logo, so there is a wealth of info here
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    πŸ“ Graupner 6v Smoke Generator
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    simple home made:

    small metal box, maplins used to sell these, you can pick the size and shape to suit your model, ebay is full of them.

    get a small fan, the sort from a pc etc, again, size to suit, and it will run on your drive battery, so when buying, check the operating voltage. Cut a hole a bit smaller than the fan in one side of the box, the fan will drive the smoke out. Between the fan, and the box, have a piece of thin plastic, it will need to move to make the hole bigger or smaller, to be adjusted when testing so you can limit the amount of air entering the box via the fan, as the fan speed will be constant.

    Drill small hole either end, make up two rubber grommets for these holes. Next, pinch the heating element wire from the missus hairdryer, or something else!. make a wick from a wooden dowel, wrap (coil) teh wire around this, and have it enter and exit the box, the grommets are so the wire does not touch the metal box, as it will short out. using ole fashiooned loft insulation, fill the bottom half of teh box, and rest the dowel on this inside the box.
    soak the insulation, and the dowel with baby oil (I moix baby oil with disco smoke fluid, but you wont be able to get this, baby oil works fine)
    Using a spare channel on your transmitter, a switch on/off, make up a microswitch of some sort so when you flick the switch, the microswitch makes the circuit. The feed will be either end of the heating element wire. Now, the supply voltage, and length of wire, will determin how hot it gets, this will need experimentation on your behalf, too hot, it will just burn out, too cold, it wont heat up.

    Wire the fan into the circuit, so it comes on, the fan will blow the smoke up the exhaust etc, or whatever you use.

    Thsi is the basic principle of the rc tank smokers, its just hot oil smoking. Every 15 mins or so, you will need to wet the wick again, I use a syringe and just pour down the funnel on my boat.

    There it is, a bespoke smoke machine, using probably thingsd found around the house, or bought very cheaply

    My box is directly under the exhaust stack, you could use tubing to direct the smoke
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Mast and rigging completed
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    coming along very nice, bet you cant wait to get it wet!
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Quint takes shape!
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    great work on quint, looking forward to brodie, I found him quite hard to replicate, as Hooper and quint have distinctive features you can play on
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    πŸ“ New member advice required on what to use
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Robert,

    Im assuming that picture is generic, its not your finished boat?

    Brushless motors are fine for any application, the choice after the spec is outrunner, or inrunner, the former probably the cheaper and more readily available. Just ensure that you have nothing danging around next to it as the outer can rotates, very fastπŸ‘
    Water cooling only if it needs it, it probably wont, however you will find that most specific boat brushless escs will have water cooling, if it has it, (hobbyking are best source) then use it, as some of the hobbyking escs rely on this as they don't have cooling plates inside. Its a simple thing to plumb it in, make you own water pickup, and exit if you have the tools, the shop bought ones are cheap, but sometimes look ugly. Simple bit of brass or ally tube, between the prop and rudder, bent to face the water from the prop,epoxy into the hull, some plastic tube (you will have all this from planes!) to the esc, then from esc to an outlet, at transom tends to be the nicest looking!

    Paul

    Consideration is the motor shaft diameter, and the propshaft as you will need a coupling, that's capable also of the higher revving motor.

    SHG Marine are a model boat parts dealer, they sell all of the couplingsd etc, propshafts, and usua;lly have a good srtock of plastic two blade "x" props, grab a couple to test with , 45mm, 50mm I woulds suggest
    Pics for reference, the HK escs in the pics are bullet proof, I made water cooling plates for the motors on that boat, it didnt need them, and exited the water pickup via the two engine exhausts on the transom, looked cool when the boat was running!, inside the boat, I used alloy rod instead of plastic tube just for ashthetic reasons as it was a four foot boat and a long run from teh pickups to the esc's
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    πŸ“ 46"Wooden RAF Crash Tender
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    great reply Doug, you got to the specifics there.

    In Summary Ray,

    keep your esc, its fine, but is it for brushless, and does it reverse? how many cells will it take?

    motor, needs to be in region of 1000kv or a bit less to haul the heavy hull, and consider its only a single screw. size, Im not sure, poss 38 to 40 (the first two numbers of the spec of the motor, someone else can get to this)

    if the esc is rated for it, run 6 cells, two 3 cell packs, minimum really needs to be 4000mah, and a good c rating, 40c upwards, or the lipo will drain too quick, and starting point for me would be cheap plastic "x" props, at 50mm, 52.5mm and 55mm to test.

    5mm shaft, 4mm is marginal

    Hobbyking is the best place, look there, you dont need to be buying expensice equipment when you are at this testing stage.

    this will somewhat replicate how I arrived at my Huntsman set up, same size, similar weight, although the deep v hull of the Huntsman makes it handle very different.πŸ‘

    Unless someone comes on with evidence of what they use, and the results, this is it. Have you looked at the boat harbour section, see what people have?
    Paul
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    πŸ“ Perkasa for sale
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    sorry no idea which make it is, as I didn't own it from new, all I can say its very nicely detailed, and is some sort of rigid plastic, no wood.

    Its 36 inches long approx., if you want to calculate scale

    Thanks
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    πŸ“ 46"Wooden RAF Crash Tender
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    Ray,

    I could be wrong, but imo the 2200kv is way too high, lower kv will give more torque, high kv will give more revs, if you are saying the boat will be heavier than my Huntsman, which has a 900kv, then your 2200kv will just rev its nuts off! you need the torque to get it moving, and to spin a bigger prop, that high kv will not spin a big prop. You can run two 3 cell lipos, wired to double the voltage, but tap into one battery supply to power other things, so then they are on 3 cells, not 6. Also by splitting the battery source, you can balance the boat, as in the pic. I would imagine tyou will be operating the accessories on spare channels from the receiver, if that is the case it wont matter what your drive battery is.
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Pat Tritle original build thread
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    I remember finding that build, his work was real nice, my hull actually isn't Orca, its been modified to look like it, you can tell from the rear, but close enough to fool people I suppose. Nice work with all the detailing, don't forget the smashed window! its the little things that count, that is if you can be bothered with the relentless statements at the lake of "did you know the window was broken, why don't you fix it"!!
    response... watch the film!😁
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    πŸ“ 46"Wooden RAF Crash Tender
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Ray,
    very difficult to answer really, as other things come into play, the weight of the boat, the propeller, and the speed you actually want to go.
    Other will no doubt provide more clarity, all I ask is that if you get advise, make sure its proven and tested!

    I can compare to my 4 foot veron Huntsman 28. Its heavy, and runs single screw, so similar in some ways. This has had a number of incarnations, firstly a graupner 700 bb turbo, 52.5mm "X" prop, 10 mins running, the motor was hot on 9.6v, and it was water cooled. A heavy boat wanting speed has a play off.
    I then went to brushless in runner. 900kv, running off 6 cell lipo, faster at 22mph, 10 mins runtime, lipos depleted. I then went to a number of outrunners, as they were cheaper. At the time, nearly 8 years ago, there was no info for brushless in large boats, it was all trial and error.
    I kept at the time copious notes, comparing voltage, props, gps speed, and found that no more than 1000kv, and 38 to 40 can size, with 52.5 to 55mm "x" props on 6 cells where the best. At 24mph the boat would be on the edge of torque roll.
    Cant comment on watts etc, as I cant find my notes! max amp spike was 80a, so your esc will be fine as it wont get pushed, there is a load of headroom with it as you already have it.
    Coincidentally I posted an old video of my Huntsman last night, it does however have a belt driven gear ratio reducer fitted, prior to the gearbox I was using a 800kV 40 size can hobbyking outrunner, with a 5mm shaft, 4 mm or less was whipping and bending
    bit vague sorry!
    Paul
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    πŸ“ Veron Huntsman 28 brushless belt driven
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    Trawling through some youtube videos and found this I did some years ago at Gautby Road lake in Birkenhead, made me smile, this boat is my all time favourite, you can drive it like its stolen, it loves choppy water.
    If you like speed and Freddie Mercury, set the quality to 720p (its an old video takem with a camera on my hat!!) and turn up the sound!!😁
    16 March 2017
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    πŸ“ fireboat sound unit for twin engines
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    Following a previous post on another thread, Ive been asked a number of times about the sound unit being used in my (now sold) fireboat.
    Rather than hijack that thread, Its here!
    Fireboat twin sound unit test
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Barrels finished, shark jaws started, more superstructure painting.
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    I used star wars figures and remodelled them, hooper being by far the best
    I use a wick soaked in baby fluid, and a hot wire operated from the drive battery, using a microswitch to turn it on, Oil is fed down the exhaust stack, and once its heated lasts about 15 mins of thick smoke. I opened up the engine hatch on the rear deck to simulate the engine getting thrashed by Quint, with a y adapter from a fishtank I get smoke from the open engine hatch. Got black smoke only once, the oil dried up and the metal box I use for the smoker overhested and started to burn the hull!😁
    sound unit must be nearly 10 years old now, needs an update!
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    πŸ’¬ Re: Barrels finished, shark jaws started, more superstructure painting.
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    awesome!!

    I was lucky enough to find my Orca in a boot sale, it wanted some work, I've had it for several years now, and it always makes me smile. I fitted a sound unit operated by a trigger system from transmitter featuring sound clips, music, dialogue etc downloaded from the film, and a smoke unit, which I love. Its a real head turner as you have to know the film! Figures, I usually hate these on model boats, but somehow Orca just needed a crew!
    a long way from you fab build, but Ill share anywayπŸ‘
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    πŸ“ Perkasa for sale
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    Well Ive finished this now, its refurb done, and runs twin screw, with the option of the third via a transmitter set up.
    Its 36 inches long, made from a plastic/resin material, no wood! so no warping, or rotting, or delamination.
    Its set up to run on 7.4v lipo (twin cell) for the outboard motors, and 7.4v for the centre motor. I detailed this in an earlier thread, read that for info. It would be easy to just run the two main motors, or all 3 on your chosen battery, nimh, or lead acid.
    Radar works on a single 1.5v battery mounted indide teh wheelhousae with a switch to turn on. Model has nice detail, and a weathered look.
    Im asking Β£225, it can be collected if you live local to North Wirral however ther will be no handover, just pick up at distance only, and its paypal please, no cash, or a none refundable deposit secures until lockdown is over. At that point I would offer free delivery to Wirral, parts of Merseyside and Cheshire, but please ask first
    You will need your own batteries, receiver battery, I can leave the hobbyking compatible receiver in the boat if you use spektrum
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    πŸ“ 46"Wooden RAF Crash Tender
    6 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Ray,

    not much info to go on there my friend, the 120a esc will not catch fire, these things happen when things overheat, and its unlikely you will have a motor that will be drawing more than 120a, as thats crazy high, so using that esc will never get strained. I cant see any info on the motor, so don't know if you are talking about brushed or brushless set up.
    My Fireboat was twin screw, two brushless outrunners capable of 25mph, as I recall amp draw on fresh lipos (4 cells per motor) was approx. 60a and I doubt you will have anything like that set up, as I wanted silly speed and short run time. If you can give some extra info, maybe a pic or two, we will be able to add some more advise.
    thanksπŸ‘
    short video of me messing with sound units!
    Fireboat sale 2
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    πŸ“ Motor reversing
    7 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi,

    so with planes you would have a throttle stick that rests at the bottom. With boats, or cars, if you want reversing, the throttle stick needs to rest in centre, and generally its best to be sprung. If you have a spare channel, that is sprung centre, such as ailerons, open the tx, and flip the centring spring mechanism to your throttle. Ive done this several times, and the cheap hobbyking/frysky tx etc are a doddle to do, or just buy a tx with sprung throttle. I converted my spekky dx6
    then you will need a reversing esc, hk have them, and the mtroniks brand are simple plug and play. If using lipos, make sure they are lipo compatibleπŸ‘ I was searching for reversing cheap escs last week, there are loads on ebay very cheap
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    πŸ“ Perkasa Refurb
    7 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    playing catch up now!

    so on the bench the story from the previous owner was that it was polarity reversed which blew the two speed controllers, some wiring was removed and so on, so I have 3 motors, and they are quite small, look like 400 size brushed. To keep things simple, Im not going to do my usual convesion to brushless, and luckily found a new Electronize esc in my spares box.
    Cant find anything in relation to instructions, But Im sure these where good for two motors?, Ive fitted an inline fuse to the battery side, and the motor side to be double protected πŸ˜‡
    This now leaves the centre motor, and the conundrum as to the best, but cheapest way to drive this.
    Another dig into the boaty spares box (actually living in the attic due to no use anymore!) I found a little reversing esc, think it was originally for a rc car. Luckily it works, but how to control it?
    My boat transmitter is a DX6i Spektrum, and has a limited ability to mix channels, so using a spare channel (aux 1 on the receiver) I mixed this channel to the throttle. The transmitter gives the ability to use a switch to operate, so I assigned an unused on/off switch (flaps for a plane) so now I can run the boat with outboard screws as normal, flick the flap switch on, and the third centre screw now operates. As its mixed to the proportional throttle channel, it works the same range as the main motors. Im quite pleased with this, it took some fiddling, but with my work being locked down, time is something I have!
    I would like to run things on a 3 cell lipo (11.1v) as this will give a future owner a better choice for their choice of batteries, lipo, lead acid, nimh and so on, but these motors are small, so I think that might over volt them. I have two 2 cell lipos (7.4v) so will run one for the two outboard screws, and one for the centre. As the centre wont get used as much, probably just fast long runs, I can preserve this battery, and switch them over when they start getting depleted. TBH, after about 10 to 15 minutes I generally get bored anyway!, pity I cant water test☹️
    Perkasa 3 motors on a mix switch
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    πŸ“ Perkasa Refurb
    7 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    I picked up a Perkasa couple of months back, Wasnt looking fo one, just stumbled across it. Im more into planes now, but the odd project is nice to have, and the crappy weather so far this year, and now our pandemic has got me in the manshed
    The boat is rigid plastic, thats the best way I can describe it, no wood anywhere (I hate working with wood anyway!). It almost has the feel of being a big Airfix kit, maybe someone can offer advise as to what it is? Its approx 3 feet long, so a nice size to work on, and nice size for the car boot.
    Ive always prefered the 4 foot size of model, but this is a difficult size to store and transport, and a couple of my local lakes, such as New Brighton, Hoylake etc, are a bit tight for 4 foot boats.
    My plan was to just refurd and get running, thats it, I will sell it on after this, and move onto something else. Its a none runner, it has motors, but thats it, so its a deep dig into the spares box to see what I have to get this running🀞
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    πŸ“ Receiver Controlled switch
    7 months ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    for information, You can also use an old servo as a on/off switch, especially those little cheap 9g ones that fail. Don't throw them away, take the board out, plug into a channel on your receiver, cut the wires off motor etc, and use a test light to see which give you an on/off.

    Great way of saving money to control lights and so on, just measure the output voltage, I found that they can vary, but generally give you 3v to 5v depending on the servoπŸ‘
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    πŸ“ Blackpool Boat Show 2019
    1 year ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    if it was held in a fancy venue the prices to vendors, traders, and clubs would go up, and so would the entrance fee.

    For those that went just for the show, and not the depth of the carpet, it was great, and well done to the organisers for bucking the trend of dying shows.

    For those that stayed the weekend, well come on, Blackpool offers thousands of alternatives for accommodationπŸ’€ I parked outside on the road, I believe that the onsite parking was free for visitors? that's iutself in Blackpool is worth something whilst the illuminations are on. There cant be many hotels that can offer that floorspace?
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    πŸ“ Veron Huntsman 28 riding the white horses!
    1 year ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    Ah bad luck
    Lemon gets good reports amongst the rc plane fraternity and so much cheaper than spektrum
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    πŸ“ Veron Huntsman 28 riding the white horses!
    1 year ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    Yes I've got blue and yellow the one you can see when its airborne ha ha
    Orange stabilizer will work with dx6 they are a bit finicky to get working, you can't have any rates at all preset in tx
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    πŸ“ Veron Huntsman 28 riding the white horses!
    1 year ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    That's the one I have dynam with a couple of easy tweaks it's a pussycat!

    Fly it off grass Doug to get your hand in on water it's more difficult.

    Flies fine off grass, sand and so on
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    πŸ“ Veron Huntsman 28 riding the white horses!
    1 year ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    Your right doug although the real boats where floating gin palaces back in the day and most did have chrome window frames it looks too much.
    I'll be going back to polished aluminium which is easy to do. Humbrol do a range of about 4 metal finishes in the small cheap tins. I've used these extensively you brush on and it goes on real nice it dries in minutes then you buff with a soft cloth. I used small stainless pins for the rivet detail this giving them polished heads and scroungers off cuts from the local vehicle window tinters for the glazing which is clear plasticard except the front window and the windscreen which is 3mm lean for strength and rigidity
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    πŸ“ Veron Huntsman 28 riding the white horses!
    1 year ago by pmdevlin ( Lieutenant)
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    Difficult to see but look at the pic attached. Those vents, synonymous on the huntsman boats where vac formed in clear plastic card. Then painted from the inside using an American brand called alclad chrome, pretty much Impossible to get in the UK now but the finish looks just like mirror chrome.
    All the car stuff from halfords etc is just bright silver and has no mirror reflection, over the top really but it's what I wanted.
    Pretty much all model boat parts available are white metal or plastic, my first version had aluminium frames and too be honest looked better. The build log is on here somewhere from years ago!

    model boat parts
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