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(Pleasure Craft) "Jessica" A Sea Scout renovation
Originally built by my Dad in the early sixties, fitted then with a Taycol Target and two very wet lead acid accumulators.
First renovation about 26 years ago for my daughter Jessica, fitted with a 6V Decaperm. Performance was VERY sedate. Perhaps fitting for a Broads Cruiser? The Taycol will now go into the Danish fish cutter I am currently renovating.
First two pics show her condition, incl. engine room, last year after about 25 years in the cellar.
Last three pictures show current condition after extensive renovation, see 'Build Blog Jessica' and refit. Video shows her Sea Trial end of May 2018 https://youtu.be/b0BWJ3duzDw
Now just cockpit fit to do and suitable crew to find. Can't 'select' Speed here as she wasn't equipped with GPS! But quick! Now she planes well so I guess I've turned her into a Sport Fishing Boat!? Rating I also can't select for myself, that's something for you guys to do! ;-) (Motor: Propdrive 2830 1000kV) (ESC: Quicrun 16BL30 Hobbywing) (5/10)
Update: Crew have reported for duty
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(Naval Ship) HMS Belfast
Performance not yet known, still in the fitting out dock. Power is actually 2 x 6V 4Ah. ESC will be Graupner Navy V30R. Maybe 2 for differential control to support rudder. I've left 'Number of Props' as Please Select cos Belfast has 4 and this ain't an option!!
Long term plans for smoke (borrowed from model railway kit!) lighting and gun control. Have already bought magicians 'Flash Paper' for main battery gun flashes. Ignition using old 'out of work' glow-plugs? Any ideas welcome :-)
Ship is Graupner Premium line. NOT IMPRESSED with quality of cast resin parts, lots of air bubble depressions :-/ Fair amount of rework / repaint necessary! (Motor: Speed 540 x 4) (ESC: Navy VR30 or Viper Marine. Trials on 40MHz then 2.4GHz DX6) (7/10)
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(Naval Ship) Graf Spee
It's a Graupner premium line ARTR! ;-/ Wanted some 'quick fun' while working on more complex constructions (HMS Hotspur H Class Destroyer 1936, 1:72 and Type IA U26 also 1936).
Didn't work out that way! On first test of motors and ESC I discovered that the shafts were so badly fitted that they were binding ;-( So back in dry dock for some hull surgery! That's why some inputs are missing above. Plan is to gradually add functions and special effects; lighting, gun controls, magicians Flash Paper for gun flashes. Maybe fired using my old glow-plugs!!??
Now I'm freshly retired I have more time for this ;-), as long as Gisela doesn't drag me off around the world too often ;-) I also have HMS Belfast from the same series (approx 1:128) also awaiting fitting out. More soon - don't hold your breath please ;-) in the pipeline is some 'Plastic Magic' with Ark Royal, Hood and Bismark all to 350 scale ca 70-80cm. Sorry been in Munich for over 30 years don't think in inches any more (except when buying mag wheels for the chariot!)
Cheers, and as my German boating friends say 'Immer ein Handbreite Wasser unterm Kiel!) = I wish you always a hand-widths water under your keel.
I sail on the lake in the Ostpark near me in Munich. Very convenient, right next to the Biergarten! (Motor: 600) (ESC: Graupner Navy V30R) (5/10)
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Gina 2 Billing Boats Fish Cutter - Restoration & Conversion
As promised (or threatened?) stage two of the hull work and thoughts on motorisation. The hull was sprayed with two coats of grey primer/filler. Pic1.
As usual this showed up the remaining imperfections (pics 2 & 3), but I'm not going to worry about them until I've got prop shaft tube and rudder stock sorted out and permanently fitted
After my attempts to make and thread a 3mm prop shaft went awry Martin (Westway the Mechanicals Master) stepped in and made me a decent one complete with a bushed stuffing tube Vielen Dank Meister
I did however manage to make a 4mm to 3mm reducer so that I could fit a Rabeosch 35mm prop as seen in pics 2 & 3.
The tube and shaft from Martin, arrived Saturday an' he only made it on Monday, have been dry fitted so that I can start setting up the gears, necessary to bring the drive down to the prop shaft fitted very low down in the hull, and motor mount. Pic 4.
Motorisation: (Remember folks - this kit was designed and built as a static model!) I want to use the old 1950s Taycol Target motor which my Dad originally fitted in the Sea Scout which I have renovated and upgraded to work forward and reverse with a standard ESC. See Build blog 'Sea Scout - Jessica'
Many of you will know that the Taycol motors were field coil motors, meaning that they have no permanent magnet around the rotor coil, and thus reversing the battery connections to the brushes had no effect on the direction of rotation, as this simply reversed the magnetic fields of both stator and rotor coils
To counteract this so that the motor could be used in both forward and reverse with a conventional brushed ESC I modified the motor slightly (separated the two coils) and built a simple converter board to connect it to the ESC. Again see the Sea Scout blog for the details of the conversion.
Basically; once the field coil and brush-gear (rotor coil) have been separated a simple diode bridge can be used to apply the output of the ESC to the motor. This enables the reversal of EITHER field OR rotor coil polarity, depending on how you connect the converter to the motor. Thus reversing the direction of rotation of the motor. Beneficial side effect is that the diodes also suppress the commutator sparking
In my case, with the Taycol Target, I also cleaned, flattened and polished the commutator. Thus significantly reducing the potential for spark generation in the first place!
A peculiarity of the Taycol motors is that they all use metal brushes, pressed phosphor bronze strip, so they need oiling!
DO NOT oil conventional brushed motors with carbon brushes unless the brushes are exchangeable or you want to have to buy a new motor!!!!!
Pics 5 & 6 show the proposed position of the Taycol in Gina 2 and pic 7 the prototype converter board I knocked up to test the motor, together with a Graupner Navy V30R Marine Brushed ESC. Details and results in the Sea Scout blog, including video of the sparks and oscilloscope pics of the drive waveforms before and after conversion! The latter showing the spark suppression effect of the converter Some samples attached - last 3 pics.
Pic 8 pic shows a more compact version of the converter, one of a few types I'm doing for Martin's various Taycols as a trade for the prop shaft he made for me and some useful material he sent. Thanks mate
Next steps will be
1) mounting the gears correctly on the shafts, requiring the manufacture of a 3/32" to 4mm adaptor and a 1/8" to 4mm adaptor, and keying them to the shafts - Hooray for mini milling machines
2) manufacturing bushed end plates to hold the gears in place,
3) fitting the motor mounting platform. I'll probably borrow from my experiences of real shipbuilding and do this as a suspended 'false floor', i.e. mounted on stiff springs to enable adjustments to optimise the gearing mesh!
On real naval ships this is done to improve shock resistance and to minimise engine noise / vibration conduction to the hull, thus significantly reducing the acoustic signature of the ship.
Not that I'm tooo worried about being torpedoed
Worth a try
Pic 9 shows the cleaned up and renovated Taycol Target motor.
Pic 10 shows the drive waveform complete with sparks before modification.
Pic 11 the cleaned 'forward' waveform with the converter board.
Pic 12 the cleaned 'reverse' waveform, no suppression capacitors needed More soon folks, Cheers, Doug
PS Along the way a new keel was fitted as can be seen in pics 1 to 3.
The original builder had 'buried' the keel in the hull planking!
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Aerokit Sea Scout 'Jessica' Renovation
Some of you may already know part of the story but, spurred on by Martin 'Westquay' and commanded by Admiral 'Dave' here goes
Dad built her originally when I was about 12, so ca 53-54 years ago. (As at 2017!)
She was 'No name' and free running with a Taycol Target, ahead only, and a 6V (very) wet cell lead acid. (Down to the garage again for a 'top up!)
Anyway, to cut a long story slightly sideways
MY daughter Jessica found the boat in the cellar when she was about 12!
And immediately wanted to run it on the local lake in Munich, as I was doing with my HMS Hotspur (but that's another shaggy model story!).
Sooooooo, she was cleaned up, resprayed pink (!) and white, Taycol Target field motor (no reverse) removed and replaced with a Decaperm 6V 7A with 2.75:1 gearbox. 6V 4000mAH SLA (weight half ton or so) Performance was rather sedate. Well it seemed like a good idea at the time!
RX, battery and rudder servo were shoehorned into the aft compartment, Jessica nameplates stuck on and off we went. Jessie was happy with the boat and I was happy with the Biergarten. Can't remember where 'the management' was
Jessie soon lost interest so I used the boat as a test bed for a while.
So now, 25-26 years on; prompted by Martin, I took the old lady down off the shelf (I TOLD her not climb up there!) and started inspecting the damage. Photos attached. (Yes I know 35Megs is not for boats but I didn't have nowt else then) The ancient DIN Audio socket was for charging the RX bat, double throw switch on starboard quarter. The big 'ole was for the telescopic antenna borrowed from an old radio. Needs must when ...
The funny looking 'thing' hanging out the transom is a dummy exhaust hiding the bolt holding the antenna bracket inside!
Have also started dismantling and renovating the Taycol, which I want to put back in with a reversing circuit and a 2S or maybe 4S LiPo. That was day before yesterday. Yesterday I took out the junk (siren, water pump, servos & micro switches to operate them and the running lights) and wiped the dust off - last two photos, incl. THE JUNK.
Stripped of all the junk & Decaperm she weighs 1214gm (about 2lb 11oz).
Also tested (cautiously!) the Taycol with a regulated / current limiting PSU. She rattled and protested but ran Now being dismantled, cleaned up and brush gear refurbished. Might also fit proper bearings!
Next step: clean up the old gal, check for leaks and load capacity.
I will probably use the 4S LiPo ca 310gm, the SLA was 660gm, so lots of spare capacity, or maybe I can get her nose out of the water for once
More soon Cheers from Munich
PS to Dave and Martin: NO! I don't propose to go full authentic nostalgia with a wet cell accu
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Sorry shipmates but this is getting simply bloody stupid.
The alternative answers that AI is offering are getting progressively more ridiculous.
The knowledge of a quiz contestant counts for nothing with such nonsense.
One only has to choose the least daft of the options offered.๐
In this case: Without ever knowing who William Froude was, or what his groundbreaking contribution to hydrodynamics and hull design was.
In short-
This AI is insulting our RI (Real Intelligence).
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Roy,
Re: "I was / am nackered I think it was the Pint Noir!"
You're not supposed to drink Pinot Noir (12.5%) by the pint!!๐ฎ๐คฃ๐ค๐ค
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"I am just going outside and may be some timeโ.
Famous last words!
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Looks rather like a version of a 15th century Chinese War Junk / Treasure Ship. Probably derived from the Javanese Jong, a large trading ship. Bit different from today's Junk.
See top of left column in attached pic.
Musta bin a bit top heavy, as Mary Rose and Vasa also were๐ฎ
Given that it was built by POWs they would have been building with limited resources.
And most likely from sketches made from memories of life and hobbies from better days.
A most remarkable job under the circumstances.
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Ahoy model shipmates!
Agree with previous comments.๐
Correct answer: None of the above.
AI screwed up again.๐
Uncle Wiki got it right๐๐ค:-
"SS Servia, also known as RMS Servia, was a successful transatlantic passenger and mail steamer of revolutionary design, built by J & G Thomson of Clydebank (later John Brown & Company) and launched in 1881. She was the first large ocean liner to be built of steel instead of iron, and the first Cunard ship to have an electric lighting installation." End quote.
BTW: this is also a deja vu. Second time we've had this debate.
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Necessity is the mother of invention Garth๐
Nice one.
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And GWS from Munich Phil.
Chin up old chap๐
Or, Halte die Ohren steif! As my German friends would say.
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Got steam up in 2๐
My favourite 3 vowel starter, ocean, got me off to a good start๐
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Very odd Roy!?
How did you manage to post your query if you weren't logged in???
Using a Windows PC I haven't noticed any changes or difficulties logging in.
What are you using?
Is this perhaps another 'Dumbphone' phenomenon๐
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Rock On Rockbag๐
Coming on well๐
Hope you're feeling much better now.
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Another deja vu!๐
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Oy vey Roy!
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Aha! I saw the light today (13th)๐ก๐
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Agreed all๐
Correct answer is 'NONE of the above'. None of the wrecks mentioned were discovered in 1995.
But it's obvious what the AI (๐) 'thinks' is the correct answer.
A, C and D can be eliminated immediately as they are well known and documented.
But the Whydah Gally sank in a storm in 1717 off Cape Cod. The wreck was discovered in 1984 and positively identified in 1985; ships bell and a brass plate inscribed with the ship's name and maiden voyage date.
Another example of the AI getting it's digital knickers in a twist๐ฎ๐ค
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P to M๐
Not exactly a question for our worldwide membership.๐ค
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Highly useful for building wooden ships/boats, or manufacturing deck planks for steel/FG boats. ๐
Uncle Wiki says-
"A lumber edger is a device with saws used to straighten and smooth rough lumber or bowed stock by making a cut along the sides of the boards. The result of this process is dimensional lumber."
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Sorry Ron,
My old eyes can't decipher your emojiโน๏ธ
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Re: "(C rating). How many times the capacity the battery can stand being pulled at any moment."
Just a note to clarify what this actually means๐
C rating is not a function of the capacity itself, usually expressed as X000mAh for marketing reasons, looks better than XAh๐ But of the capacity in mAh expressed as Amps.
E.g. a 5000mAh (=5Ah) capacity battery rated at 50C can allegedly deliver max 50x5=250A. BUT for how long? Maybe 1.2 minutes if you're very lucky. (5/250)x60.
But at least it has a short term reserve current capability. If that helps? I don't know.
If the motor stalls a correctly rated fuse, or a high end ESC with temp/current protection should obviate such high currents being needed.
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PS I also like Hobbywing QUICRUN ESCs (1060 for brushed, 16BL30 for brushless).
Their programming card makes brushless set up a doddle. No messing about with beepy de beeps๐
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Trรจs bon Hermann, great build๐
A small word to the wise if I may!
I have never been on any flight deck/helipad where the landing lights protrude so far out of the deck. (And I've been on several, including a hair raising flight through a tropical thunderstorm from Port Harcourt Nigeria out to an oil platform in the South Atlantic. Looking through a small gap in the clouds I saw a 'postage stamp' size platform way below and asked the pilot "You want to land on THAT?") I digress!๐
That protrusion would be dangerous for the flight deck crew and embarking/disembarking passengers and flight crew. High risk of tripping over them. The heli could also damage them.
All such lights I have seen on flight decks (from ground stations, platforms and corvettes to aircraft/heli carriers) are recessed into the deck with a thick glass dome flush to the deck to protect them.
Looking forward to the bottom wetting๐
Salutations, Doug๐
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" by the members for the members."
Whereby all members are equal.
But some members are more equal than others.
Sound kinda familiar?
Maybe a shorter Term of Office would help. Quarterly elections?
Votes of No Confidence?
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"power wenches"!?๐ฎ
Wow! Wonder Women๐
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It IS the rudder Ron๐
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Oh yay oh jay! Now the questions and options are getting infantile as well๐
'The Trouble with Tribbles'! I'm sure that most of us 'old codgers' will recognise that from Star Trek (TOS).๐
The other options are poetically prehistoric.๐
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Jonathan,
Such a response makes my day๐
Glad I hit the spot.
PS The bill for the therapy is in the post๐
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Senator Tora Canis,
" wrong end in thee wrong place...ask me how I know"
We don't wish to know that๐ Forum benigne relinquite.
Kindly leave the forum.๐
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I agree with Lucky and Frankie.๐
The green nav light also gives it away, should be on the starboard side not port.
It is also showing astern instead of forward.
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Thanks Lew, agreed.๐
This topic has been beaten to death. No further comment on my part.
Cheers, All, Doug๐
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I'm sure cos I've got a static model of her on the shelf above my PC desk๐
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Oh dear. I thought we had already put this topic to bed!๐
My dear Alessandro,
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, in that you may have some troubles / ambiguities with the translations back and forth. I will deal with the comments in your epistle in order of appearance. (Sorry shipmates but this may get a bit long! Electrically well versed readers have permission to skive off this lecture๐)
"So much so that I specified that you need to tighten the connection well and make sure there is no play."
This implies a screw connection, or worse a clip or crimp connection. ON NO ACCOUNT should these be used on high load (current) wiring.
You can never be sure of the true contact area. The smaller the area of contact the greater the chance of causing a hot spot at high currents, e.g. 25 to 50A as we have here. The current density problem!
Also these connector types are seldom (if ever) available gold plated. Thus being susceptible to corrosion in a damp (marine๐) environment. Not to mention coming loose under vibration or due to heating / cooling cycle effects.
"If, however, you think that the fuse creates problems because the metal foil causes greater resistance (when you refer to the 1st and 3rd Ohm's laws, V=R*I, P=V*I or P=R*I* I ) because of its subtlety, then I disagree. Allow me to disagree, no pretensions on my part just to reason."
"metal foil fuse" This may be a translation problem.
A slow blow fuse consists of a straight solid wire. A quick blow fuse is a coil under tension.
"In other words, I find it difficult to believe that the greater resistance caused by the fuse foil creates such a significant Joule effect. Fuses would no longer have any reason to exist if they were capable of melting plastics before melting them."
My remarks re heating were specifically directed at the connections of the fuse holder. The fact that the fuse itself did not blow means that the current was less than 25A. But high enough to create heat in a bad connection. Say I=20A and R=0.5ฮฉ. P=IยฒR --> 800W.๐ฎ
"I take it for granted that a new connector does not yet have oxide and corrosion."
'In this the most perfect of all perfect worlds.' Perhaps. But my experience in our real world is that most non gold plated connectors are already lightly corroded on opening the packet, and need cleaning before use and protecting (e.g. WD40) in use. Pull out any spade connector (e.g. auto type fuses) and see where it is dull, most of it, and where it is shiny, very little showing the few points of real contact.
"gold is preferred to copper in these cases (mobile connections), not because it is less resistive (or more conductive) than copper but because it is almost immune to oxidation and corrosion ." Both reasons actually.
"So if we're just talking about contact issues, I agree." Thankyou. That IMHO is the issue here.
"Nothing about the correct section of the cables, but I don't think that is the cause."
In this case probably not. This was simply part of my general advice on safe installations.
"Regarding this statement: "Most folks don't realize that fuses are fitted to protect wiring from overheating and causing fires. NOT specifically to protect the devices they are connected to."
Sorry but I don't completely agree with you. ... I can refer to civil electrical systems (the one in your house): fuses and circuit breakers serve to prevent fires but also "specifically" to safeguard the system (consisting of cables and various devices)."
That is exactly my point Alessandro. A house system consists of many circuits which are protected by fuses / circuit breakers of various values according to the use of the circuit; lighting, power sockets, high power 3 phase for cookers.
If a device on a power socket circuit develops a fault causing an overload the fuse or breaker on that circuit pops to prevent a fire in the cabling and the fault dragging the whole house system down. It has absolutely nothing to do with the device which caused the fault in the first place. Your example puts the cart before the horse.
"I don't know the brushless motor well enough.
I certainly know, in general terms, the operating principle. It is a direct current electric motor because it is powered by direct current ..."
NO it is not! If it was you could power it by directly connecting it to a battery (PSU).
But how? Which two wires would you connect to + and - of the source?
Or would you use two batteries in parallel with a centre tap for the 3rd wire?
Try it if you like I'd be most interested to hear how it goes.
" ... but in fact it works with different alternating currents (not sinusoidal but mostly square)."
Now you're getting it๐ Partly!
True the battery provides DC power to the ESC, but not to the motor.
The ESC receives a decoded pulse train (as you say 'almost square') from the RC receiver.
So far the same as a brushed motor setup. BUT! (There's always a BUT.๐)
In the case of a brushless motor the ESC needs instruction from the motor what to do with this pulse train. It receives this instruction, in the most common brushless motors, by monitoring the EMF feedback from each connecting wire of the motor.
As you know, when you energise (apply a voltage) a coil it generates both an electric and magnetic field. When you remove the energising voltage these fields collapse and send their energy back into the supply wires in the form of a Back EMF pulse. This tells the ESC which coil of the stator was last energised and thus which is the next one in sequence.
Other, more expensive, brushless motors have sensors built in which provide this position information. Never been down this alley, so far haven't seen any reason to, so I don't know precisely how it works but I assume that it requires an ESC capable of digesting the info from the sensor. Maybe other members can enlighten me. Never stop learning๐
"These currents that create the rotating magnetic fields are generated by the ESC (in our case) ..." The magnetic fields do not rotate. The fields are static and the coils generating them are built into the stator of the motor; in an Outrunner the inner part, in an Inrunner the outer part like the can of a brushed motor. Whichever, the magnetic fields generated by the stator coils act against the permanent magnets in the rotating part thus driving the motor round.
"I'm not sure that, in the event that one of the three cables is interrupted, the system will continue to provide alternating voltages (as you are convinced)."
I'm not sure either. But my gut feeling is that the ESC would do it's best to carry on with the feedback it gets from the remaining two connections. With considerable stuttering and loss of power. Which corresponds to the symptoms that FB reported. Be interested to hear the result of your experiment Alessandro.
Cheers all, I warned you this post could get a bit long๐
(Even though I left some detail out, such as pulse train type and coding/decoding PPM or PWM๐)
Doug๐
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