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    ๐Ÿ“ Charts
    6 days ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Nerys, totally agree, if that is entirely true it's a baffling decision. Whilst I fully understand how the majority of mariners are committed to use digital navigational aids there are occasions when instruments fail and if they do at sea out of sight of land celestial and sun navigation skills have to be used and that means having charts, not to mention the absolute necessity of inshore waters charts. I can only assume that the RN and Merchant Marine will always ensure a supply of up to date inshore water charts that record depths and current movement changes.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Old model ship can anyone help
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    Beautifully made -museum quality. I think you can assume it is a Royal Navy 4th rate frigate late 18th century likely saw service in the American revolution where relatively lower draft vessels of 50 guns were built and commissioned expressly for that purpose. I can't determine from the photos the entire placement of guns. it's just possible it is HMS Antelope -if it is there's quite a bit of history about her.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Condor
    25 days ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Looks really good. if you have some close up pics it'll be good to see the detail and your winch arrangement.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Sea Trials going GREAT
    2 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    looks good Ron!
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Pride of Baltimore 1981
    2 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Impressive! With the dagger keel fitted it would be great to see a video of her. question -is the topsail sheet controlled?
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    ๐Ÿ“ Looking for these
    2 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    These are thole pins. A wooden pin is ๐Ÿ˜€fixed in the gunwale of a rowing boat to which, by means of a grommet, an oar is held when it is being pulled. A more usual method is to use two thole pins close together, with the oar between them. They are a substitute for a crutch or a rowlock.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: RRS Discovery
    6 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Most interesting! I will follow your build. Are you planning to RC sail her?

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    ๐Ÿ“ sail control ????
    8 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Paults, we will have to see what Jim does with this sail control set up, I've never come across it before. It appears to operate to spill the wind if the wind gets too strong. I can't see how the boat would sail on a reach or close hauled unless it was rudder controlled. It's over to you Jim -perhaps you can do some dry land sailing to figure out how it's supposed to work!

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    ๐Ÿ“ sail control ????
    8 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Jim, as for the cutter it's likely late 19th early 20th century, anywhere between 40 and 50ft long, possibly an Irish sea boat. Re the sail control -first time I've seen one fitted like this. Given the depth of the model (you don't say how long overall it is) in relation to its beam it could have been intended as a static display model. The sail area is such it could easily be knocked on its beam ends, so I think the method used is weighted to spill wind and keep the boat more of less upright.
    Looks interesting! Tony A..........
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    ๐Ÿ“ cutting oak
    8 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Jim,
    what make of bandsaw do you have? I've an Einhell TC-SB 200/1 which I've used to cut iroko. Provided you don't push the piece through too hard, it works just fine. A working tip for anyone using an Einhell -do ensure you have a a good suction to vacuum the dust, because residue dust can cover the motor contacts and prevent restart.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Sourcing timber
    9 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi, I used venetian window slats to plank my dragon yacht which is still in build, highly recommended!

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: My (not yet complete) workshop
    9 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Very impressive! Showroom status -maybe a little less tidy when you start modelling?
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    ๐Ÿ“ Pond Yacht Sails help
    9 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Mark, if you can get hold of an old bed sheet, they were mostly made out of Egyptian cotton -and that's the best cotton material. Cotton poplin as it's called has a very tight weave and the weft yarns are generally easier to see -again often got in bedsheets. When you draw out the sail take into account weft and warp runs of the cotton. Suggest you look and learn from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4XxL_bMmOM
    All the best! Tony A..........
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    ๐Ÿ“ Dragon 'Bluebottle' Yacht
    11 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi All,
    as time allows I continue with my dragon yacht build. Having completed the planking, here's a reminder of the keel and backbone structure made from iroko in which I fitted the rudder tube, rudder, propeller shaft, and the keel weight -designed to enable the centre of buoyancy to be lowered as required to maintain stability under sail.
    As you can see in the next pic the hull upright in the building jig, made to ensure it can be used as a base for measurements when building topsides. Next I removed the frames which had been taped to the ribs, sanded and painted the hull and keel in white undercoat -four coats.
    The plan is to have all working parts, including the winch and the closed circuit to work the sheets under the deck, so I planned out the inside accordingly.
    I soon discovered the 9" motor tube was not long enough and replaced it with a 12" tube which I had to run under structure I have built to house the mast and secure the winch, both of which are 'hidden' in the cabin. Next I made a tray to take the battery. Fitted the electric motor and the servo to the rudder, which is angled in line with the rudder tube.
    Next I decided on having a filled part to the forward part of the cabin structure to house the mast sleeve. The mast is slightly angled as per plan and I'm using part of a fishing pole set for the mast, which does match the specification on plan and is tapered -as per plan.

    Next I'll make cockpit which like the cabin top can be removed -then try to work out how to get the winch to work as needed!

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    ๐Ÿ“ Dragon 'Bluebottle' Yacht
    12 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi All, Here's part 2 of my Dragon build -planking. The transom is mahogany and the planking is basswood, the ribs and frames are pine. I invested in a bandsaw before starting this project -an Einhell and cut my planking using a 32 tpi blade. The frames and fitting ribs are held in place by the stops you can see on the building board, and until the planking was finished hadn't glued the keel and spine & the motor shaft and copper tube were a push fit only -which was just as well as you will see in Part 3!
    Used a PVA strong glue to glue the planks to the ribs, stem and stern. When the pins were removed the sanding before white undercoating covered up all the holes -in the next stage the hull will be lifted from the board turned over and a jig made -then I can start thinking about what I'll do with the inside!

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    ๐Ÿ“ Dragon 'Bluebottle' Yacht
    12 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Nerys, it's installed through the stern post and the rudder is cavitated to give the propeller clearance.

    Regards,

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    ๐Ÿ“ Dragon 'Bluebottle' Yacht
    12 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Gerhard,
    I'll be posting again shortly -do you plan to build an RC Dragon?
    Regards,

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    ๐Ÿ“ Dragon 'Bluebottle' Yacht
    12 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Nerys,
    I've been reading your posts over the months and delighted to know you are getting out and about despite your health problems. Re the renovated Bluebottle, I've not seen it, even though I've been out on the Solent waters over past months and at the Cowes weekend. No doubt it's back in Leith now. As for cheating.... well, necessary if I'm to have a fighting chance to have the model sail well. I'll be posting again shortly part 2 of the build.

    Regards,

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    ๐Ÿ“ Dragon 'Bluebottle' Yacht
    12 months ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi All,
    it's six months since I last posted, and for each of those months I've had intention of advising my build progress, but sadly, work and my membership of the Maritime Volunteer Service has got in the way, not to mention such time as I have had to myself dedicated to modelling.
    The plan I've been building from the Nexus Plans Service, the 1/0th scale Dragon Yacht designed by A E Palmer taken from Camper & Nicholson's plans of Prince Philip's 'Bluebottle'. A Christmas present!
    From the start I planned to deviate from the plan to some extent. As you can see in pic 1 the keel and backbone, weighted as per plan 1.5 lbs, shows the weight able to be lowered, so the centre of buoyancy would be lower than advised on the plan -it can be pinned back flush with the root of the keel or lowered if the winds demand. The rudder is slightly bigger than the plan, and as you can see I'm installing a motor -for two reasons (1) to prevent the bow from being damaged against pond sides, and (2) to aid tacking as required. The wood is iroko -left overs from my schooner build.
    In pic 2 you can see the keel and backbone set up on my building board. In pic 3 you can see the frames -what I did here was cut the ribs and frames as close fitting pieces, taped them, and as you will see later the building frame part can be taken out after planking has been completed and the hull removed from the building board. All frames and ribs are from good quality pine -not your B&Q stuff!
    That's all for now.. if interest is shown I'll detail how the build has progressed and the problems I've had to overcome!
    I've been reading with interest Ron's build -some of the ideas expressed have been very helpful.

    Regards,

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    ๐Ÿ“ Robbe Smaragd
    1 year ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks Jim.. links of past posts very useful. I'll post when I'm making some progress!
    Regards,

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    ๐Ÿ“ Robbe Smaragd
    1 year ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Many thanks for this... and all previous posts. I'll post when I'm getting into that stage of rigging!
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    ๐Ÿ“ Robbe Smaragd
    1 year ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Robbe,
    I've just seen this -I'm currently building a Dragon from scratch, have yet to get into rigging, sheet lines etc. I plan to fit it with a genoa. If you could illustrate the sheet/pulley/servo set up you have on your genoa rigged yacht and post I'd be very appreciative. By the way your boats look very good -makes one quite envious!
    Regards,,, Tony A........
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    ๐Ÿ“ Lack of notifications
    1 year ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Nerys,
    I've replied to Ron's queries re rudder/servo arrangement, but it was sent privately, so the response was private also -unless of course something had gone wrong re categorisation of posts.

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    ๐Ÿ“ Billings - Dragen - Dragon
    1 year ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Ron,
    It's good to see interest being shown in the Dragon yacht. I'm currently building from a nexus plan a 1/10th scale which according to the notes was 'designed' by A E Palmer with permission from Camper & Nicholson's plans of the Bluebottle which they built, and as you know was sailed by Prince Philip. I'm currently planking the hull, when that's completed i'll do a water test and check out the waterline is approximately where it should be. After that I'll post my progress with pictures. As previously mentioned I'm building it with a 'drop lead keel' in order to get the centre of buoyancy lower than where the plan advises it, so it can carry full sail, and in my case wanting to rig it with a genoa jib, so the scale sail area will be at max.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Billings - Dragen - Dragon
    2 years ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Ron,
    not sure if your post is in response to the conversations I've been having with Nerys as I mentioned I'm building from plan a 35" dragon model. I'm in the process of planking the hull at present when that's done I'll post a progress report. Not sure how I'm able to access your earlier posts -be good if I could to see how you fitted it out. Tony A...
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    ๐Ÿ“ Bargain Tools at Lidl (UK)
    2 years ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks for the tip off Rob -have bought one! Didn't see spare sanding discs -must go back and have another look. Tony A...
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    ๐Ÿ“ Billings Dragen...has anyone built this kit and done an RC conversion?
    2 years ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Nerys,
    As you know I'm building a Dragon from a plan -it'll be a bit longer than the Billings boat at 35". I'm in the early stages of build at present, when the hull is planked I'll post a few photos and a narrative on how and with what I built it with. Interesting what Ron advises re covering the cockpit -the cockpit will be a real challenge as the yacht will be Genoa rigged and the sheet controls will be a bit more complicated in the cockpit area. Looking at the Billings boat -even given the bulkheads are cut away to make space internally I would think it would need to be lipo/mini receiver job -but then the major problem would still be there, i.e. the centre of buoyancy needs to be lower than the deepest part of the keel -which i'm fixing by having a lead keel extension that can be housed back to the main hull when not sailing.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: 1 meter "open class"
    2 years ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Impressive! Can you tell us more about the hull construction, materials used etc. i notice from picture one it doesn't appear to have a backbone.

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    ๐Ÿ“ Real boats
    2 years ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Nerys,
    Not far is the short answer. I got top grades on finishing education on the Ary and the plan was to go into the Port Line and train as a deck officer, but for some reason I can no longer articulate -decided at the last moment to join the Royal Navy lower deck. Seaman specialising in Radar first ship was the Belfast, second was the Bermuda. Whether due to a love affair in Bermuda I can't say, but I contracted severe conjunctivitis -so bad I couldn't operate anything and was transferred to Haslar after docking back in the UK. The doc on my case was a Queens consultant surgeon -so I guess he was well qualified to diagnose and treat me. After x number of weeks he prescribed specs, which then meant I couldn't continue in my branch. As the offer was only either writer or cook, I decided to take discharge. Otherwise I'd been doing quite well and an SD officer pathway had been mooted. Now for the mysterious bit -I hadn't been ashore more than two months when my eyes starting hurting again and I was diagnosed as having specs when I didn't need them!
    After a variety of job adventures I ended up working for IBM -and of course outside of work, boating and modelling.
    You must have been the youngest skipper of a Thames Barge back then all those years ago. Understand your passion for these craft -not made a model of one yet. The Kitty was here in Portsmouth for a while and we have the Alice at Gunwharf.
    Re modelling I'm making progress on the Dragon -not yet at the planking stage. Will likely blog it in time to come -headed 'How to build a model with throwaway wood'. Should amuse members, especially the scratch builders!
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    ๐Ÿ“ Real boats
    2 years ago by TonyAsh ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hi Nerys,
    It all seems a bit weird now, remembering I practised on your back lawn all those years ago. And I did a bit of cutlass swinging -took that interest with me into the Navy, did some fencing for a while as a Junior Instructor at Vincent where I also was a silver bugler. I don't know if you was told about it but one of the Ary lads fell from the foremast during morning exercise whilst I was there. Don't remember what happened to him -I saw him fall down onto the netting over the heads, was taken away unconscious -and would you believe it his name was Nelson! I've not joined the Old Boys Association -too busy with other things, not to mention modelling! I don't remember the first officers name either -interesting to note he went back to sea again. The padre was bearded -I had so much respect for him I even let myself be talked into being confirmed by the Bishop of Rochester!
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