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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Little more progress
    5 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    Two books that may help you a bit, Warships in Profile, Vol 1, and German Naval Camouflage Vol 1,1939-1941. The latter has extensive color plates of her various schemes.๐Ÿ˜

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    ๐Ÿ“ USS Juneau
    12 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    AlessandroSPQR,
    Thank you for your kind words. Please ignore my rumbles, I just turned 70 and with not much else to do, I build models. My body is not always in agreement with my intentions...nothing new.๐Ÿ˜ I do wish I was 20 years younger...sometimes, but then reality strikes and reminds me that I am better off where I am.
    So...back to the build๐Ÿ˜‚

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Making progress
    12 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    My approach to building requires that, except for shaft tubes, everything else in the build should be accessible and removable, if at all possible. I try to make my gun turrets removable so as to create more access to th e hull internals.
    A fully removable deck beckons a couple of issues. Water leakage in a sea being the worst case scenario. If at all possible, a deck fitting into a hull edge is a preferred method. It is more work, but makes a more stable connection and a potentially more watertight seal. With you very limited access thru the deck, I would aim to make the deck, or the vast majority of it, removable.
    Hopefully some more ideas along this line will pop up.

    ๐Ÿ“ USS Juneau
    12 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    My eyes are blurry, my hand(s) are shaking, my knees and back are killing me from standing. That said, the first coat of superstructure paint is in place. Lot's to fix, touch up and make better, but it gives me a starting point.
    Next up will be to remove the superstructure and paint the main deck. The superstructure decks will be last, after the touch up coats.
    Unfortunately the sun is washing out the colors somewhat. But the idea is there.

    ๐Ÿ“ USS Juneau
    18 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    Chum,
    I am soo worried that I might have to have another Screech and tonic!๐Ÿคฃ
    I am not too concerned. Every design was unique and if there are no pictures, well then, who is going to prove me wrong. The only rivet counter I am concerned with is the one I see in the mirror(when my eyes open)๐Ÿ˜€

    ๐Ÿ“ USS Juneau
    18 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    I have decided to take the plunge and begin the camouflage on the superstructure. I am a bit more than 4 hours into it and you can see that it will be a bit more. My eyes go crossed after an hour and my back and knees begin to sag. A labor of love, or just plain stubborn. (yes Dear)
    While I really like MS 12 Modified as a scheme, the only documentation available is a few photographs. Most unfortunately they are all of the starboard side. Therefore, my portside will be entirely made up...๐Ÿ˜ญ One can also see why details, deck and bulkhead, have not been added, yet.
    That is all for now until my body recovers.๐Ÿ˜Š

    ๐Ÿ“ Gun directors
    20 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    Doug,
    The wing turrets only rotate outboard. I spared the Capt and crew from self destruction. The rotate about 115 degrees, I have not measured it exactly. if turrets 4-6 rotate across the stern, and the wing turrets are linked to follow them, then the one wing will stop at 180 degrees while other opposing turret rotates outboard. Does that make sense? I'll shoot another video to illustrate it.
    Meanwhile, suffice it to say that the wing turrets can not rotate inboard of 18o degrees relative to the keel.

    ๐Ÿ“ Gun Directors
    20 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    Thank you Allesandro. You are being too kind.
    Here is a link to a video of the turrets and gun directors functioning under local as well as director control. Sorry by the aft superstructure is off at the moment.


    ๐Ÿ“ Submarine Identification
    25 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    Rather hard to tell from the photo, but it appears to have a flat aft deck. So maybe an Engel George Washington...
    More photos would help.๐Ÿ˜Š

    ๐Ÿ“ Gun Directors
    25 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    B,
    Yes the mixing is done in the transmitter. It is very similar to the mixing done in OTX, but is simpler as an entire step is combined with another.
    The mix is activated with one of the panel switches. Your Taranis should operate pretty much the same way.

    ๐Ÿ“ Directors
    26 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    Remote directors also increase the rate of fire of the gun mount. The sighter and trainer, who use to be on the mount, can now keep their sites on target while the gun fires. In the "old" method, the concussion of the gun's blast thru the sites off so that the target had to be re-acquired. This was now no longer the case. As such the gun crew only had to load the gun. This is why good experienced crews on the 5"/38 could fire up to 10 rounds per minute, 20 round per minute for a twin mount.
    Juneau had 8 such mounts x 20rpm= 160 per minute.Not a CIWS, but I expect it was impressive.

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    ๐Ÿ“ Gnn directors
    26 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    Chumm,
    Without getting too deep into the history of the world, remote gun directors were developed and adopted to remove to a remote location, one that is somewhat isolated from the vibration caused by the gun firing, the director. Guns still retained the ability to be trained and elevated by their crews, referred to as local control. Another added advantage is that the director could be located much higher up on the ship while the guns remained on the main deck, or there abouts. This, of course, greatly increase the visually sighting distance of the director. Remember that this was all done visually, until WW2 when radar stepped in. But early radars were susceptible to vibration so mounting them on or near guns was not an ideal solution. Heavy cruisers and battleships regularly knocked out their own radar systems while firing their main guns. Usually it was tube failure which could be quickly replaced. As well, radar has a horizon as does the MK1 eyeball. Again, higher is better. USN designs mounted the radar antenna on the gun director while remote mounting it's electronics and controls to a remote location.
    So... my directors can "search" for a target and upon acquiring one, command it's linked gun turrets to follow it's movements.

    ๐Ÿ“ Calls for Expression of Interest
    26 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    I would love to go. I have never been to that continent! However, my smallest model is 4 ft and getting it there would cost more than my airfare and it probably would not survive.
    SO, I'll be there in spirit and assign Doug as the the official photo representative. Take lots of film Doug๐Ÿคฃ

    ๐Ÿ“ A quick note
    26 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    Chumm,
    There is a story about that. I had planned to be able to elevate, rotate and fire( LED flash) the guns. This was all based upon the barrel design that the 3D printer used on his previous 5"/38 single barrel turrets.
    When his twin turrets arrived, I found that there was not the room to do what I wanted. I could have sealed a miniature servo into the turret, but I did not like that idea, things break. That killed the elevation idea. I would have to do a whole post on just the turret build.
    I trashed the LED idea when I had brass barrels turned for the turrets. I had asked for thru bored, but did not get it. I may try to bore them yet.
    So the short answer to your question is that they rotate only, but they do so selectively. The forward three operate as a unit, but can also be mixed to respond as the gun director does.
    The aft center group is unit, similar to the forward group, and it too will link to the director. The aft wing turrets are independent, can be linked to the center aft group and also the center group and the gun director.
    All of the linking/mixing is done in the transmitter.

    ๐Ÿ“ Advice needed
    27 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    sounds like a plan. Please be sure to post pictures of your progress.๐Ÿ˜Š

    ๐Ÿ“ Advice needed
    27 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    Do NOT apply polyester GelKote over epoxy. It will not adhere. Epoxy sticks to polyester, but not the other way around.
    If you already have epoxy on your hull, then I would just apply more coats and add colorant to the last two.

    ๐Ÿ“ Advice needed
    27 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    GelKote should NOT be applied to a bare wood hull, for a couple of reasons. 1) it has not strength 20 it will not adhere very well, 30 it is soft and can be easily damaged.
    The hull should be fiber glassed or epoxy coated. In either case at least one layer of cloth should be applied as well. Many folks will apply multiple layers of glass cloth. The more applied, the stronger and more water proof the hull, but beware that the weight of glass and resin will build up quickly. After applying the FG to the hull, GelKote can be applied, brushed or sprayed. Gelkote, being quite a bit softer than FG resin, can be sanded very easily.
    If you are up to the sanding, than just FG resin and glass will work. You can always add colorant to the resin or simply paint the hull after it is cured and sanded.
    There are many ways to approach this and each individual has their own preference.
    If you are sensitive to chemicals, or your significant other will not let you stink up your residence, than epoxy may be a preferred option. While it is more expensive, it does allow you to work inside.
    Hope this helps

    ๐Ÿ“ Dropping anchor
    27 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    The Krick system use to come assembled, but now the user most assemble it. Not too difficult. Here are the basic assembly instructions, in German( no English version) but with good pictures. These are NOT the complete instructions which include parts diagrams and labels. It will give a descent idea of how the unit works.

    ๐Ÿ“ Dropping anchor
    27 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    The Krick system use two forms of clutch. The servo, in one direction engages the motor with the drum using two drive dogs that connect to the slip clutch at the opposite end of the drum. This causes the slip clutch to rotate the drum. At the same time, the servo depresses the micro switch to power the motor. This is all during during take up of the anchor. On the opposite end of the winch drum from the motor is the slip clutch which consists of three rubber buttons that press upon the winch drum. During take up the slip clutch, engaged with the drum, raises the anchor. If and when the anchor houses or becomes bottom stuck, the clutch slips and the gear motor and drive are protected.
    I will try to take some pictures this PM and post them. It is a nice system, expensive, but it works well.
    On my ARS, I lead the chain from the winch drum, up onto deck, over the "real" anchor winch and then down thru the hawse pipe. The system is still able to deploy and retrieve, most of the time.๐Ÿ˜‚

    ๐Ÿ“ Dropping anchor
    27 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    Lew, Your point about underwater snags is VERY valid. I try to anchor in sandy or semi-sandy bottom only. Wading out to free my anchor flashed an image of Gulliver leading the Lilliput's ships away.๐Ÿ˜Š

    ๐Ÿ“ A quick note
    27 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    I wanted to point out that the GoBilda servos that I have been referring to, as great potential radar drives, would work just as well as winch drives for almost any kind of winch.๐Ÿ˜

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    ๐Ÿ“ Dropping anchor
    28 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    Not quite sure what Lew is referring to as an auto stop on the Krick winch. What is does have is a clutch that will slip if too much drag is put upon it, such as when an anchor fetches up upon housing. This can be adjusted with a set screw.
    Otherwise it will gravity drop and retrieve.

    ๐Ÿ“ Dropping anchor
    28 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    1/48 Diver class ARS at anchor using the Krick system.

    ๐Ÿ“ Dropping anchor
    28 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    Yes, there is, rather, are.
    Search this site as well as modelmayhem.co.uk and you will find various homemade, some commercially available, anchor winches.
    As well, there is a commercially available unit from Krick, that I have used very successfully. I bought mine thru Cornwall Models. It is available as a single or twin drum unit. Be advised that the twin drum operates both drums at the same time.
    I hope this helps.

    ๐Ÿ“ USS Juneau more pictures
    28 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    Here are some pictures of the turret mechanisms. These are the #1 and #6 turrets. I have tried to keep weight as low as possible in this build. These ships, the model as well as the 1:1 versions, were quite tender and did not have a lot of stability. As such, whenever possible I lowered the servos to as low a spot as possible. These are the GoBilda servos I mentioned in my last post. They offer two types of servo clamp adapters. The brass ones shown here. These use a set screw and work well when using a solid rod. The other version, also shown, uses a clamp that works well on both rod and tubing. I would not suggest the set screw version for tubing. The adapter, both, accept .250" (1/4) rod or tube, as mentioned. I have used 3/32" tubing that I bushed up to fit the adapter in cases where long, high, runs were needed.The adapters are available with different spline counts to fit different brand servos. The aluminum stand-offs also came from GoBilda, but are available quite readily from supply houses.
    Unlike using stepper motors with a processor drive, the system I use does require some fiddling to get things aligned, but it is easy enough. Once all set, everything stays pretty much aligned.
    I will add that I have played with one of these servos as a potential radar drive. I mentioned this in my last post as well. I used a decent ESC and could easily dial in a speed of 2 rpm or less. Perfect for WW 2 radars. The maximum speed will depend upon the servo version one chooses. Speed version is obvious the fastest. The GB web site will give specs on each version of servo.
    That's all for now.๐Ÿ˜Œ

    ๐Ÿ“ USS Juneau
    29 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    OK Chum
    You asked for it!๐Ÿ˜ First a few disclaimers. Any and all of the components and radios I use are because I have found them to fulfill my needs and that they are reliable. No endorsements here, just what I have found to work.And remember that I am an analog sort of individual. I'd still use two cans and a string for phone calls...
    I use a FrSky radio, the TandemXE. It is a full computer radio, one of numerous quality computer radios on the market. Futaba, Spectrum, Jeti, there are plenty. The quality of the computing capability makes a difference. As does the number and types of controls available "on the Box" so to speak. One can easily operate scale boats with numerous animated functions WITHOUT spending $ on a computer radio, but you will have to buy the after market components to create the functions. Remember the Robbe F-14, 16, 18 series? The basic radio was great, but it needed additional modules to expaand it and give it the functionality. Each module was $$$$ I still have two of those radios).
    My radio choice in this case gives me 12 proportional controls and twelve switches. The switches can be easily swapped for different versions, ie, 2 position, 3 position, momentary ect. Like most medium to high end radios, the Tandem allows the user to assign the inputs(control) to any channel or function. Likewise mixing of channels, functions and controls is unlimited as well. Lastly, the radio allows assigned outputs, ie, the rudder does not have to be CH on the receiver, it can be any output on the receiver. As well, the actions of the output signal can be modified here. Remember buying ServoSlows, to slow down the speed of the servo response? It is now done in the transmitter, as well as adding delays to the servo response and controlling the degrees of rotation of the servo, individually right and left. These computer radios also allow writing one's own mini programs to operate while your model is running, ie LUA scripts. There are also virtual switch capabilities incorporated.
    I have just scratched the surface here. I expect to be able to use less than 10% of my radio's capabilities.
    The picture shows the transmitter with the usually dual sticks. There are two center sliders, two side case sliders, four rotary knobs and two self centering trim controls that are assignable as channel controls. Plus the switches.
    There are some really amazing models, especially across the Pond from here, use Arduino/like processors to control animation. I am too old a dog for that. I us a servo system made by GoBilda, a USA company that makes various servos and components. What I like about their servo range, three speeds, Torque, Normal, and Speed, is that they give 180 rotation, out of the box with any radio system. By putting their Servo Travel Tuner in series between the receiver and servo, the rotation increases to 300 degrees, +_ 150 degrees. Most center-line gun turrets rotate +_ 120 degrees so this works great. An added benefit it that the servos convert to 360 degree rotation with built in directional and speed control. The converter is a $15 or so electronic unit. SO, the servo can be an all in one drive package! I had planned to use one servo for my radar drive, but it did not work out do to the mast I am using.
    My turrets and gun directors are directly coupled to GB servos using their shaft adapters.
    While the radio will send signals to control switches on my beast, I need actual switches on board for the circuit controls. I am very partial to Action Electronics switches available for the Component Shop in the UK. The have a variety of type and capabilities.
    Radars are a special case with me. I feel that they need to rotate. I have tried several ways of doing it and much depends upon how and where the radar is mounted. For some reason, warship designers insisted on sticking them way up on a long pole.๐Ÿคฃ I=The hard part for me is the speed of rotation. WW@ radars rotated VERY slowly AND were reversible. Unless I run a shaft up my mast I have to settle for slightly fast rotation speed. I settled on the latter because far enough out and no one will see the radar anyhow! There are readily available 6mm planetary gear head motors. They come in various output ratios, hence speeds. They run on 3 volts and will turn on 1 volt. They draw about .04 amps. I mounted a couple on the ends of my "long poles".
    All the lighting is LED. It can be done numerous ways. I am also using LEDS to indirectly light some lights by using a semi clear plastic to carry the light. That can be seen on my Fletcher build in the bulkhead lights.
    There are as many threads on smoke units for boats as there are boats. I'm lazy! I am using Harbor Models smoke units, LARGE ones( cause I can). I have wired them some what differently. I want to be able to controlt eh smoke output( it is in the directions) so I am using an ESC to do that. But, I found that the units still smoked even with the control in neutral. To manage them I added an electronic switch unit,(see above), that will turn the power to the ESC on and off as I desire. There is also a switched fan function so that I can control the forced draft.
    As we add more and more to our boats we find that we have multiple voltages to have to deal with. I use 12 v SLA batteries as a 12 v supply. I deal with different voltages with BUCK converters. Essentially, variable voltage regulators that you set the output voltage of. They are very inexpensive.
    First photo is transmitter,
    Second is GB servo, third are 6mm gearhead motors

    ๐Ÿ“ Death of a member.
    30 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    Colin,
    The words escape me. I am so sorry.

    ๐Ÿ“ USS Juneau
    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    AllessandroSPQR,
    Of course you can!๐Ÿ˜€

    ๐Ÿ“ USS Juneau
    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ToraDog ( Captain)
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    I have not added to this blog in 7 months...
    It does not appear that much has changed, but it has. The superstructure is more or less done, at least the big pieces, and first base coat of paint applied. All of the superstructure bulkhead light LEDS have been drilled and installed. The turret, gun directors and torpedo tube mechanisms are all completed and functional. I added some deck details to the stern. This is where she received her K guns and an additional 1.1" quad canon
    as well as two further 20mm Oerlikon canons.
    I upgraded to a new radio that operates on a new language. It took quite a while to learn it and then I swapped out the receivers in the hull. Once all was done, I now have the ability to operate at excessive range, I can see that( NOT!). The radio has even more proportional functions than the old radio and I am using only have the available channels.
    I am considering my next move. Paint the camouflage pattern BEFORE detailing the superstructure or after. I think before will be easier.

    ๐Ÿ“ Monitor drawings
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