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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Aerokits Sea Commander. Strange Handling ?
    2 hours ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    Hi Chum444, yes the rudder probably is close to being hard over, and the throttle is open.

    This does not reflect the usual way that this boat is driven, it is being provoked to demonstrate the problem of the nose diving when being turned RIGHT into choppy water.

    The hull turning onto its side was a surprise as we have never experienced this before, but it does show how sensitive the hull is to any change in the water conditionsโ€ฆโ€ฆand the wedge?โ€ฆ.but the boat was run several more times after this event (the wedge has not been removed) and it was not possible to repeat this side roll.

    Even when driving much more normally with gentle progressive steering and smooth throttle inputs, a minor change in the water surface can cause โ€œThe Sea Commander Diveโ€ (TSCD as it is now being refereed to) without warning.

    TSCD can and does happen at any speed, but is more likely when going faster - and is why these videos are generally shot at faster speeds.

    We did notice and comment (in a later video) that the propeller sounded like it was bubbling and turning in air and not in the water.

    The wake does not look โ€œproperโ€ - I agree.

    My colleague suggested that the hull looked like it was generating a lot of air. If this is the case then it could be stopping the hull getting โ€œwettedโ€ properly and this in turn could affected the handling of the boat.

    Further tests will include running a smaller prop at higher revs - this may not exactly follow your observation regarding the prop not being able to handle the revsโ€ฆโ€ฆ.but maybe a smaller prop can?

    The stern is a flat surface, as you suspect.

    This could be converted to a rounded surface in the same way as a frame is built and covered by a ply skin on my Swordsman build (pictured here) if it would help?

    Basically this copy Sea Commander has become a research vessel to try to find the reason (but more importantly the cure) for a problem that this very popular model suffers from.

    Bob.

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Chris Craft Corvette
    7 hours ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    In summary, this is a large model of the beautiful Chris Craft Corvette that is a very impressive model boat.

    The materials used in the kit could have been better, although the balsa wood choice seems to have been good, the plywood quality was very poor and has self disintegrated over time, and the fittings quality could have been better too for a kit of this size and price.

    A well presented Corvette would make a big impression at any model boat club.

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Chris Craft Corvette
    7 hours ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    As a matter of interest, it was not only the plywood that was of very low quality in this model that had been built from a Chris Craft Corvette kit.

    The castings for the fittings were very soft and very heavy - I suspect that they were simply cast from lead.

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Classic Model Power Boats
    7 hours ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    MS Northern Star.

    Also known as the MS Northern Star Customs Launch.

    This is another very rare Classic Model Power Boat from 1956 that was made as a kit by Keelbuild Model Aero Works of Newcastle.

    At 54โ€ long and with a 15โ€ beam she is quite a large heavy boat and was the largest pre-cut model boat kit that was available in 1956.

    The kit in its box weighed over 25lbs alone and cost the princely sum of ยฃ9 19s 6d (including delivery) in 1956, which was over three times the price of the next largest size model boat kit that was available at the time.

    All parts were pre-cut from plywood and featured an inter-locking โ€œegg-boxโ€ construction.

    The finished model was claimed to need two men to lift it !

    The model was based on a full sized boat design by a Bolsons, a now defunct boat builder that was based in Poole.

    Does anyone have any pictures of this Classic Model Power Boat to share here with us?

    I rather suspect that even Will does not have one of these tucked away in his vast collection of Classic Model Power Boats โ€ฆ.but I could be wrong ๐Ÿคฃ

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Aerokits Sea Commander. Strange Handling ?
    8 hours ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    Near Capsize?

    โ€ฆ..and just when we thought we had seen everythingโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆ.

    This second video shows the boat turning up onto its sideโ€ฆsomething we have never witnessed or recorded before.

    Bob

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Aerokits Sea Commander. Strange Handling ?
    9 hours ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    At the Southport Club lake today my Sea Commander was run with the wedge fitted on the rear underside of the hull at the back and on the right hand side (when viewed from behind).

    As Chum444 suggested, the rudder needed some adjustment initially for it to run โ€œstraightโ€ so a few clicks were dialled-in to achieve this.

    Initially the boat looked good and the wedge appeared to be working well, but given the same water conditions that always seem to encourage the now infamous โ€œSea Commander Diveโ€ the boat did its own โ€œthingโ€ and attempted to dive under water when it was turned RIGHT into choppy waterโ€ฆโ€ฆlike it always has done !

    I drove the boat at various speeds and noticed that when slowing down quickly, the rear of the boat tended to lift and the nose dived down - if it was then turned to the RIGHT at this same time it would then start to sub-marinate !

    No change (either positive or negative) had been achieved by fitting the wedge.

    As the rain began to come down quite hard we decided to call it a day as some of the other โ€œtweaksโ€ that I had planned to try would be more comfortable done without having water running down my neck - but they include fitting a longer (deeper) rudder, more propeller testing, and running at higher revs with a smaller propeller and changing from my regular 2C LiPo to a 3C LiPo battery.

    As for the wedgeโ€ฆโ€ฆ..well it may as well stay put as a curiosity and as part of the boats development history in its attempt to cure โ€œThe Sea Commander Diveโ€.

    I will improve the visual shape and finish it properly so that it looks better when the underside of the hull is re-finished.

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Aerokits Sea Commander. Strange Handling ?
    9 hours ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    No worries Dave, it is easy to miss the odd post on this thread as it has attracted so-much attention.

    The Sea Commander is a very popular Classic Model Power Boat.

    Lots of good theories have been offered and I am trying to respond to all of them to see if I can find a way to remove โ€œThe Sea Commander Diveโ€.

    I will keep trying, but have to admit that I have done nothing yet that has influenced this strange behaviour significantly one way or another.

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Aerokits Sea Commander. Strange Handling ?
    9 hours ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    Hi Dave,

    If you read the last comment before yours on here you will see that I admitted to a typo and that my propeller turns to the left (when viewed from behind) so it rotates anti-clockwise as normal.

    Like you, I also come from background of running ic engines (in the 1960โ€™s) and they only run anti-clockwise โ€ฆโ€ฆalthough I have had the occasional one fire-up and run in reverse when it had been over-fueled !

    It will be interesting when you get your Sea Commander finished to see if you can find a cure for the nose dive that seems to be a fairly common occurrence with them when they turn RIGHT into choppy water.

    The boat does not have to be driven into the turn fast, it can also happen at fairly low speeds too, but can be deliberately started by slowing down very quickly and then turning RIGHT.

    The similar sized 34โ€ Aerokits Rescue Launch reportedly also does the same thing, but again there are no reports of the larger version doing it!

    Curiously, the larger sized Sea Queen has no reported occurrences of this happening either, and as previously noted, Les Rowell never added the large โ€œwave breakerโ€ to the Sea Queen either, so maybe (like us) he also failed to find a cure for it either?

    It is fun trying to find the reason why the Sea Commander has this curious wish to sub-marinate when turning RIGHT into choppy water - and even more fun trying to find a cure for itโ€ฆ..other than driving very slowly in calm water - or avoid turning right ๐Ÿคฃ

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Aerokits Sea Commander. Strange Handling ?
    12 hours ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    Sorry Thomas, it was a typo (now corrected) - my prop turns to the left when running (anti-clockwise) so your fears about me fitting the wedge on the wrong side of the hull remain.

    I will be setting off to the lake shortlyโ€ฆโ€ฆ

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ“ what am I recent acquisition
    12 hours ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    That is good news Stephen.

    A lot of old military equipment has been restored over recent years (aircraft, tanks etc) and from what I can gather this need to preserve and restore some of our recent history continues.

    It would be good to see ML492 restored to the way she would have been in 1942.

    I suspect that if she were slightly older and had a war record she may have been saved already !

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Aerokits Sea Commander. Strange Handling ?
    12 hours ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    Hi Stephen,

    The Sea Queen is the larger boat and from comments received to date it does NOT suffer from the same desire to dive when turning RIGHT into choppy water.

    Of these two, it is only the smaller SEA Commander has this unusual handling trait.

    Bob.

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    ๐Ÿ“ what am I recent acquisition
    22 hours ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    A sad ending for the boat, but it must be good for you to know the full history of your project.

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Aerokits Sea Commander. Strange Handling ?
    22 hours ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    At this stage I am happy that I didnโ€™t spend too much time on painting the wedgeโ€ฆโ€ฆ.๐Ÿซฃ

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Aerokits Sea Commander. Strange Handling ?
    24 hours ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    Hi Thomas, from what you say I have made a mistake - easily done in my case.

    I admit that I have had some problems coming to grips with torque and anti-torque and wound myself up completely - possibly in the wrong direction.๐Ÿคฃ

    When viewed from the rear, the prop turns to the left, and when the boat turns to the RIGHT the nose wants to dive.

    My simple logic was that the ramp (mounted on the right) should help to lift the nose when it dives when turning RIGHTโ€ฆโ€ฆ.but I could be so wrongโ€ฆโ€ฆ..

    I have fitted the ramp now, so it would be a bit of a shame not to test my (possibly dubious) theory, so it will be run this way tomorrow morning.

    The result could well be that I have made the problem considerably worse, but either way, the effectiveness of the ramp of that size will be seen.

    Letโ€™s hope I havenโ€™t made the boats natural desire to sub-marinate even worse!

    Either way, we will enjoy the experience and learn from it โ€ฆโ€ฆ..and the video could be hilarious ๐Ÿ˜Ž

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Classic Model Power Boats
    1 day ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    Maycraft Mercury - Two sizes?

    This original advert was seen online and it shows the boat.

    Digging around looking for images of a Mercury also found those that are shown alongside it.

    A previous article about a Mercury kit that was for sale at the time is also included as it shows what the box would have looked like when it was possible to buy a new kit.

    At 30 โ€œ long it would be just a little smaller than the SEA Commander, but the advertisement states that it is 40โ€ long !

    Maybe there were TWO sizesโ€ฆ.or maybe the box has a typo on it ?

    The boat that I saw in the โ€œantiqueโ€ shop was bigger than my SEA Commander, so I think it was the 40โ€ size.

    Bob.

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    1 day ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    Hi Chris,

    โ€ฆ..you could quickly knock-up a Remora in between all your other lengthy scheduled projects and have a lot of fun driving it while you wait for the Faireys to come out to playโ€ฆ..๐Ÿ˜‚

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Classic Model Power Boats
    1 day ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    Maycraft Mercury?

    I was wandering about looking around all the places and shops that I donโ€™t usually get to see on my more normal routes recently, when I discovered quite an interesting โ€œantiquesโ€ shop.

    What interested me most was that here and there were some model power boats (all hugely overpriced!) and one of them was what looks like a Maycraft Mercury !

    Maybe I will have another stroll around to see if I can find that shop again!

    โ€ฆ..although I doubt even a sensible offer price to buy it would be considered.

    The antiques shop owner obviously values it as treasure (along with everything else he has stashed away in there) but I could at least take some pictures of it to show here for those that have not seen one of these impressive Classic Model Power Boats before.

    I have always thought that most (not all) antique shops sold old junk at silly high prices, even though there could well be some genuine things of antique value hidden in amongst them!

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Aerokits Sea Commander. Strange Handling ?
    1 day ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    The local weather forecast for tomorrow is looking a bit bleak with winds and rain expected to last all day.

    โ€ฆideal conditions for testing the SEA Commander in as turning RIGHT into choppy water is when it starts to nose dive.๐Ÿ™„

    If the wedge idea shows any promise, it will certainly have a good opportunity to show it tomorrow.

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ“ what am I recent acquisition
    1 day ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    I am really pleased to know that you are going to make a model of this very interesting craft that has obviously had an โ€œinterestingโ€ life.

    That is a sad end for what would have been a proud member of the Coastal Command forces.

    Does anyone know anything about the service history of this boat, or its number (or name even?) when it was in military service?

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Chris Craft Corvette
    1 day ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    I only have a very small workshop(shed) and this is quite a large boat that was taking up a lot of space and I was having to carry it outside every time I wanted to work on it.

    This was as far as I got before passing it on to a local friend who had more space to add the finishing touches to what should be a really nice looking Classic Model Power Boat.

    This boat took up a lot of my time to convert it from a decaying rotten wreck into something that was now structurally sound and worth bothering with.

    I am really looking forward to seeing it finished and on the water with is new owner.

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Chris Craft Corvette
    1 day ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    I had no plans or drawings for this boat so I made up a cockpit screen that I thought looked OK.

    Bob

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Chris Craft Corvette
    1 day ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    I added a rear well to the rear of the rebuilt cabin so it could liftโ€”out with it to give a clear sight of the hull interior.

    This was now quite a heavy structure that locked into the hull nicely, and I felt confident would not be blown off by a strong wave.

    Bob

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Chris Craft Corvette
    1 day ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    The Corvette had now been โ€œstabilisedโ€ and was no longer falling apart or disintegrating.

    At this stage the boat was now structurally strong.

    Bob

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    1 day ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    The deck skins were also rotten and frail so they were removed and repairs and re-structures were made to accept new deck skins.

    Bob

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    1 day ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    The plywood cabin sides seemed to be getting more frail by the hour and would flake or crumble when touched, so I carefully copied them and cut some new ones on my bandsaw to replace them.

    These were grafted on to the balsa wood cabin roof that was in much better condition that the plywood sides had been.

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Chris Craft Corvette
    1 day ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    I fitted a new balsa section into the hull (original kit material choice) to replace the fuel soaked parts.

    Some hardwood was stripped to make planks so that I could re-plank the previously repaired underside of the hull (in a hard wood) as it was soft and fuel soaked.

    Bob.

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    The underside of the keel had some patchwork repairs and lots of filler that needed to be chiselled away.

    Most of it came off easily as it had not adhered to the original multi-coated surfaces.

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Chris Craft Corvette
    1 day ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    This was the Corvette when I first started to look at it during the Covid lockdown-down.

    Anything made from plywood was rotten and disintegrated as it was being handled.

    The balsa wood parts had survived much better!

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Classic Model Power Boats
    1 day ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    Hi Doug,

    It was seeing the picture of the one shown on the Vintage Model Powerboats link that first reminded me of the Maycraft Mercury model power boat.

    I wonder if it was the same Maycraft boat builders that also made the model?

    There is a possibility that Maycraft (models) also made a second model boat, but I have even less information about that than I do the Mercury.

    Bob.

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    1 day ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Commodore)
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    There was another beautifully built and weathered Sir Kay model that was displayed in the Rossendale Models shop window for several weeks before the owner collected it again.

    Your model brought back some good memories of the model and its builder Brian Evanโ€™s who was better known for his superbly detailed and finished Coastal Command models that could be seen making white water around the Bury Lido most Sunday mornings!

    Bob.



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