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    Classic Water-Cooled Model Power Boat Engines.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Classic Water-Cooled Model Power Boat Engines.
    12 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Vice Admiral)
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    Back in the 1960's when I made my first Classic Model Power Boat kit (an Aerokits Swordsman) almost everyone that ran model power boats chose to power them with a glow plug engine, occasionally a diesel engine, sometimes a petrol engine (in the bigger sized models), and only a few were powered by electric motors.

    My Swordsman was powered by a 6.5cc OS40 Marine glow engine, and later by a 10cc Merco 61 Twin-Plug glow engine.

    In those days, Classic Model Power Boats were probably at their most popular with lots of us building and running them in almost any stretch of water that could be found.

    Places that I run my first model boat included various locations on the River Avon, the local Avon and Kennet canal, in the open sea off Torquay and Exmouth, several different village ponds (!) and the occasional visit to Victoria Park in Bath where the boating lake was filled with the sights and sounds of various r/c power boats hammering around making lots of noise and exhaust smoke!

    These Classic Water-Cooled Model Engines have now been excluded from almost all waters where they were previously accepted, and most model boat clubs now actually ban their use.

    Electric motors are much cleaner and easier to use, and can easily produce more power too - but they lack the "soul" of these internal combustion engines - and this is something that I really miss.

    Part of the "operating procedure" included buying the correct grade of glow fuel (or diesel fuel) with the appropriate amount nitro content, making sure that your battery was charged enough to give a good bright glow when connected to the glow plug, remembering to pack the leather bootlace to start the engine with (electric starters came much later) and of course making sure that your radio equipment was working with fresh batteries too.

    The procedure needed to bring the motor to life became a classic "starting ceremony" that often intrigued the casual onlooker as the owner/operator enthusiastically gripped the model by whatever means was preferred (I used my knees) to stop it jumping upwards as the leather starting lace was rocked backwards and forwards until the motor spluttered into life - when the bootlace was rapidly withdrawn in a flourish leaving the motor running (hopefully in the right direction!) and ready for action.

    This was followed fairly quickly by the need to get the boat into the water before it overheated, when any final needle valve adjustment could be made (when the boat was in the water) before opening the throttle and seeing the model take-off and run until the fuel run out.

    Judging the running time available (the amount of fuel that was left after starting it) became quite an art - especially when running in the fast flowing river waters as a model with a "dead" engine could be swept away causing all kinds of "interesting" recovery problems!

    Anyone that had a small inflatable dingy became an instant friend and companion who was able to paddle after the stricken model and haul it onboard before paddling against the river flow to return it safely - often at a point some way further down-stream when the current was too strong to paddle against!

    After the model was run (and recovered) the model needed to have a good clean to wipe away any spilled fuel and to remove any exhaust "goo" - before removing the glow plug to turn the motor over and placing a few drops of oil into the bore and then turning the motor over to give a good coating of oil all around the inside of the engine.

    This after-run oiling procedure prevented the caster oil in the fuel from gumming-up the engine and the nitro content of any fuel that remained in the engine from eating into the chrome/nickel coating of the bore and the engine bearings!

    Diesel engine operators could sometimes be compared to "wizards" as they balanced the compression needed to start the engine with that needed for it to run cleanly - with the same need to adjust the carburettor once the boat was in the water.

    Compared with running an electric motor, these water-cooled model engines were hard work that could also be dirty and time consuming too - BUT - I really enjoyed the whole event - every time I took my Classic Model Power Boat out for a run it became a real occasion that plugging-in the battery on my current model boats can never compare with!

    This "blog" gives an opportunity for others like myself that really miss these nitro and diesel fuelled engines to reminisce and picture their Classic Model Power Boat Water-Cooled Glow and Diesel Engines.

    Bob.

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Classic Water-Cooled Model Power Boat Engines.
    5 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Vice Admiral)
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    Merco 61 Mk1V. Clean-Up.

    The old Merco 61K Mk1V that came in the LesRo Javelin that I bought recently has finally been separated from its baseplate and been given a bit of a clean-up.

    Although far from being a mint example, it does now turn over freely and looks a bit less mucky than it did.

    The flywheel is quite corroded . I was tempted to spin it up on the lathe to improve the surface, but that would remove the chrome plating so I may just leave it as it is for now.

    I would like to replace the nipples on the water-cooled head for a pair that were the same type as each other. The long alloy type is the correct one for the engine, but I doubt that I will be able to find another one to match it, so I may just buy a pair of M4 brass nipples and fit them.

    If I can find the correct type of alloy cooling nipple at some point in the future, I will fit it to complete the authentic original spec, but for now the motor looks better than it did and I am pleased to keep it as a reminder of the type that was very popular in the 1970's.

    Bob.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Classic Water-Cooled Model Power Boat Engines.
    5 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    Yes, I agree with what is said about running motors in a vice but we did all sorts of stupid things when we were young!

    As you say, a control line motor. My brother was into those and an RC stock car he built and later RC aircraft.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Classic Water-Cooled Model Power Boat Engines.
    5 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Vice Admiral)
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    That takes me back Chris! That is a nice looking 2.5cc engine. I fancied one of those when I was a young lad to fit into a Mercury Mac, an "A" Class control line Team Racer.

    One of the most used diesel engines that I had when I was a young lad was a Frog 150, and it was one of the easiest starting diesel engines I ever had.

    Long before it found it's way into a control line Keil Kraft Phantom control line trainer or a Mercury 1/2 A control line Team Racer it spent a lot of its life held in one of those adjustable alloy engine mounts (that were readily available back then) mounted on top of an old orange box!

    I never started any of my engines held in a vice as I was warned by the old chap that sold me my first diesel engine (he owned The Modellers Den in Bath) to never do this as it could mark and distort the engine castings and that it was also potentially dangerous as the engine could "escape" when running at high revs with disastrous consequences.

    The Frog 150 was a 1.5cc engine that had a blue cylinder head. I could usually start it on its 3rd or 4th flick of the propeller when cold, and always on its first flick when the engine was re-started when it was still warm.

    I probably drove the neighbours mad when I was a young boy starting and running this engine in the back garden so often, but I loved starting it and running it.

    Once the engine was running I could reduce the compression a little at a time until it would just gently tick-over at very low revs - better and more flexible than any of my other similar size engines.

    My favourite small engines were the AM diesel engines (Alan Mercury) and like most small diesel engines their head colours signified the engine size.

    The AM10 had a green cylinder head and was a 1cc engine, the AM15 was a 1.5cc engine that had a blue cylinder head, but both engines shared identical main castings and the same sized cylinder heads.

    Likewise the two larger sized engines in the AM range also shared similar (slightly larger sized castings) with the AM25 engine (2.5cc) having a black cylinder head, and the AM35 (3.5cc) engine having a red cylinder head.

    Making your own diesel fuel using Ether that could be bought from a local chemist seems like a very long time ago now !

    Bob.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Classic Water-Cooled Model Power Boat Engines.
    5 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Vice Admiral)
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    I didn't have much to do with model IC when I was young, actually not much to do with models at all apart from a few Airfix aircraft kits, toy boats and a pond yacht, though I did experience full-size boats and was in the Sea Scouts (despite being in the Midlands!) hence my interest in model boats when looking for a winter hobby when approaching retirement.

    But one thing I did build was a high wing aircraft for which I got a FROG 249 diesel. I didn't fly it though as it was quite a big plane and free flight and the motor doesn't have throttle control. I only ran the motor a few times held in the vice in the garage.

    Just dug it out and it turns over fine. The compression screw is tight and probably needs some easing. The plane went some 50 to 60 years ago.

    I also have a Mamod twin cylinder stationary steam engine that I havenโ€™t run for many years.

    Chris
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    7 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Vice Admiral)
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    ED Viking

    Can anyone remember this water cooled diesel engine from ED ?

    At 5cc is was considered to be quite a large capacity for a diesel engine and it's comparatively difficult starting procedure (when compared to a glow engine) caused some doubts about the motors viability at the time.

    It was also thought that its fuel consumption would probably be greater than a glow engine of similar size so it never caught on as well as it could have done.

    The motor was based on a Miles 5cc Competition Special aero engine, but its poor execution did not please Basil Miles too much and he insisted that it was redesigned by ED and made better - hence the Mk 2 based on the Miles Special crankcase casting with a conventional exhaust stacks, one on each side of the engines main casting.

    With the revised design, the Viking now looked like a bigger ED Racer engine - and it was then also made as an Aero engine too - but still kept the Viking name!

    ED actually made a model boat to go with this engine that was called Krack-A-Long and the off-shore race meeting that I took part in just off the coast of Torquey was the event that ED used to launch this new design - powered by the ED Viking .

    The boat was remarkable in the sense that it had an "anhedral deck" designed that caused the model to dive whenever it entered a wave.

    This was quite something as the boat later burst out of the other side of the wave whereas my Swordsman (and all the other more "conventional" boats) were constantly being pushed-back by the wave action.

    The Krack-A-Long design was sold with the matching ED Viking engine, but could also be bought on its own.

    The engine itself was not a great success as the circular exhaust collector was a little delicate and leaked easily. Owners often found 24 hour Araldite as being the only way to stop it leaking.

    Other changes were made and an ED Viking Mk2 soon followed that did improve the engine (including a better exhaust collector), but it was still considered to be a "lack-lustre" engine that was eventually superseded by the ED Sea Lion.

    My own experience with diesel engines was mainly limited to my use of them in control-line model aircraft from a very young age and included motors from Frog, AM and ED and I became a "dab-hand" at starting them and adjusting them, but this experience did not help me master the ED Viking that I found awkward and difficult to start and run and was quickly replaced with a glow engine in my own model boats.

    The first two pictures show the original ED Viking and the second two pictures show the improved Mk2 version.

    Bob.
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    7 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Vice Admiral)
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    Morning Ed,

    I have just seen and replied to your PM.

    Bob. ๐Ÿ‘
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    7 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง EdW ( Captain)
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    Bob, did you see my PM
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Classic Water-Cooled Model Power Boat Engines.
    7 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Vice Admiral)
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    MERCO 61 Black Streak Marine Engine.

    My latest old Merco 61 Marine engine that I hope to restore has reminded me of the previous version that I fitted in my Aerokits Swordsman.

    I had a early version of the Merco 61 Black Head Marine engine with the Twin Plug head - similar to the one shown here.

    The motor had two glow plugs in the head - not entirely sure why - but it looked good and impressed me enough to splash out quite a lot of my meagre wages at the time to buy one - probably circa 1970 - possibly early 1971.

    These engines were not exactly high on performance, or even that desirable - but they did have two qualities that appealed to a younger me when I had just completed my apprenticeship FIRSTLY they were good value for money, and SECONDLY they were British made.

    It also had a THIRD desirable quality - it was my first 10cc motor - and the only one that I could afford to buy at the time!

    That's about it - they probably looked better than they performed, but I was very pleased with my early example and was happy to run it, but the OS40 Marine that I used in the boat previously was probably better in almost every respect!

    Having said that, I would still like to find a Twin Plug 61 to restore and add to my small collection to remind me of all the hours of fun I had running it !

    Bob.
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    8 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Vice Admiral)
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    MERCO 61 Mk.IV R/C Marine (1973).

    The MERCO 61 Mk.IV Marine engine was launched in 1973 and was the final version of this 10cc engine to be made.

    It featured a removable turned aluminium cylinder with cooling fins so it was easy to convert from an air-cooled engine to a water-cooled engine.

    The MERCO 61 Mk.IV Marine engine featured a new tapered flywheel in place of the previous cylindrical one and also had a two-part turned aluminium water jacket.

    My example came inside an old LesRo Javelin that I bought recently on eBay.

    I used a Merco 61 Twin Plug in my first Aerokits Swordsman when I raced it in an off-shore race that took place in the early 1970's just off of Torquay.

    It may seem a bit optimistic at the moment, but if I can separate this Merco 61 from the steel plate that it is mounted on without damaging it, it could (hopefully) be cleaned-up to become the second Water-Cooled Model Power Boat Engine in my small specialist marine engine collection?

    The engine is seized solid and has some corrosion on the flywheel, but it would look nice cleaned up and able to turn-over.

    Even when this engine was introduced in 1973, it was seen by many as an old technology low-power sports engine with no desirable features other than being British and a very cost-effective purchase for those who had no competition aspirations.๐Ÿ‘Ž

    The first picture shows what a nice tidy example should look like, and the last three pictures shows what my own example looks like!

    Bob.
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    12 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi EdW,

    Thanks for contributing to this thread with the pictures of some of your Classic Water-Cooled Model Power Boat Engines.

    They all look good and they are the two sizes of engine that were most used back in the 1960's - the 6.5cc "40" and the 10cc "61" - absolute classics.

    I especially like your OS40 Marine as it was the very first new water-cooled glow engine that I ever bought to fit into my first Classic Model Power Boat - my Aerokits Swordsman, so I hope you don't mind me attaching the picture of your OS40 Marine here to help illustrate this thread as it brings back a lot of really good memories for me.

    The OS40 Marine, I remember as being a very smooth running , very easy starting engine that actually performed well too.

    Cleaning up and un-seizing the HP40 Marine that came in a used LesRo Sportsman started to bring back some very fond memories from the 1960's for me - even though I never actually owned or run any HP engines back in the day.

    I have no plans to run a nitro powered r/c boat anymore - mainly because of the very limited opportunities I would have to run one, but I would like to try to find some more water-cooled marine engines to restore and keep here in my office to remind me how much fun they brought me.

    Even though I will be 77 years old this September, this engine has managed to bring back all the good memories (and the smells) that I enjoyed every weekend (and some evenings) from when I was 16 years old onwards.........

    An OS40 Marine would definitely be a nice engine to add to my small collection (of one engine), and maybe a Merco 61 Twin Plug would be good one to add as well because it was the second engine I bought when I entered my Swordsman in an off-shore race as I thought the extra torque would be an advantage.....it wasn't really - the OS40 Marine ran just as well - but I had already consigned the OS40 to my first glass fibre "flattie" and having two engines allowed me to run both of my model boats at the weekends.

    Bob.
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    12 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง jostro65 ( Leading Seaman)
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    I came to RC pretty late and it's mostly been leccy, but my first couple of planes were nitro, reading this and can almost taste the smoke again!๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Classic Water-Cooled Model Power Boat Engines.
    12 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง EdW ( Captain)
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    Nice one Bob

    Here are some of my collection of motors.
    No electric motor can come close to the Rossi 60 with a tuned pipe running 20% nitro

    I do bench run some of mine every once in a while.

    Have a few more, will dig out and post pictures.
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    12 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง zooma ( Vice Admiral)
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    HP40 Marine Engine.

    Here is a picture of my own HP40 Marine engine that I have removed from an old LesRo Sportsman that I bought recently.

    The motor looked very sad when I first saw it inside the Sportsman. It was covered in a coating of orange-brown coloured castor oil that had been baked-on over the years that it had been run without being cleaned.

    Unsurprisingly the motor was also seized solid.

    Many happy hours have been spent removing the hardened and baked-on castor coating as well as heating the cleaned engine enough to cause the castor oil inside the engine to dissolve enough to allow it to turn-over and be stripped to complete the cleaning.

    The motor now turns over nice and freely and does not appear to have any wear.

    It is not "exhibition" standard by any means, and could be cleaned still further - but it is good enough to decorate my office and look nice where I hope it will be joined in the future by other water-cooled diesel and glow plug engines that may like to find a good home.

    They have no real value and I doubt they will ever be run again, but I enjoy having them around and the good memories they help me to recall.

    Bob.


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