Pats QoD

Started by SouthportPat
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#17

Pats QoD

I don't remember hearing to term 'Dabbler', for 'Golly Wobbler'. As I under stand it, it's a four cornered sail (for reaching, across the wind), hung between two masts. Quite likely the same thing. Many terms have different & or duplicate names. As if it wasn't confusing enough, they change names with the wind's angle. 'Sheets' become 'Braces', & vise verse, etc. on every gybe. I can relate to the 'warped sence of humor'. U could be a timber boat builder, with all that 'warped' timber around. My comments are rarely 'straight' & I'm not 'gay'.🤔 'B J'.😌
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#16

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Brian when I called Baggy Wrinkle - woolly pulley for the rigging lol- I of course meant it was there to protect the rigging rather than keep it warm lol - my warped English sense of humour
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#15

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Yes I like Pat, but you should organize and collect all the answers in a single article.
Put it in the wiki section, I attach a screenshot and link.
Once you have created your article (for example one only on running rigging, one on standing rigging, one on sails etc. etc.) you can always integrate it gradually with the answers to your questions of the day.

I will wait for your confirmation or denial tomorrow.

https://model-boats.com/wiki
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#14

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A 'Baggy winkle' is a protecting cover, (old sail, 'canvas' or frayed rope), to reduce 'chafe' on sails from rubbing on 'standing rigging'. The constant moving of boat, causes much 'chafe' even fruit, (not bananas, they're bad luck), wear their skin through in nets. Old sailor are - were? Very 'Stupid -Sticious'. 72 years exp. but only 58 sailing. 🤔 'B J'.
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#12

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Alessandro - I think you do a brilliant job with the translations - keep up the good job - you are correct in almost everything you say - I cannot see you diagram in much detail as I am looking at it on my phone but I will check it tomorrow.

You obviously did a lot of research so I have no doubts you be right - keep up the good work 👍👍👍

Stand by for tomorrows question

Do you find this interesting and enjoy it ?
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#11

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Hi Pat, I was only able to check your question thoroughly now.

Initially I translated the terms without good results, so I consulted a glossary of Italian-English nautical terms, which usually helps me, but not this time.
In fact, the term "sheet" is translated as "scotta" which for me has a valid meaning, in fact it is a running maneuver and is the name currently used for the rope that controls the sails of modern sloops (however the difference between gaff rig and square sails changes the function of these running maneuvers, even if the name remains the same)
Instead the term "tack" is translated as "edge" or "bulwark", (the side of a ship above the waterline to simplify as much as possible) so not as a running maneuver nor as rigging or ropes in general.
Clearly I was off track. You include them among the running maneuvers so tack must also be a running maneuver.

Finally I found a summary diagram of the running rigging of a ship (three masts with square sails).
I attach the images.
I imagine that the sheets are those indicated by the red arrows called in Italian "scotte".
While the tacks are those indicated by the blue arrows called in Italian "mure".

Specifically, the "mura" [tacks ?] are the ropes that, pulled, keep the sail still towards the bow, while the sheets, pulled on the other side [sheets ?], keep it still towards the stern.

As you can see each sail has its own "Scotte" [sheets ?] and its own "Mura" [tacks ?].
The yards are adjusted instead by the "Bracci".

I hope I was clear and translated decently.
Is the answer correct Pat?
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#9

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It's a whole new language. A sheet is a rope that controls any sail, I. E. Main, Jib, genoa, spinaker sheet, although the latter, can have a 'Guy or Brace', (on the tack), & 'square' sails, (which a 'Golly wobbler is). A tack is the bottom front corner of any sail that the wind hits first. A tack can also be the change in boats direction, (to the wind), from the wind flowing on one side of a sail to the other side. Square riggers, call it 'wear'? or 'weigh'? Ship). Check 'In irons'. Most 'sailing books', & the net, have a 'Glossary' of jargon. If U want to impress old sailors, drop words like 'Baggywinkles & Golly wobbler'. Every part & sail on every 'Square Rigger' had a name, & they had to learn them ALL! Fascinating. 'B J'🤔
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#6

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You will find tacks and sheets as running rigging on a Square Rigged Ship.

The sheets are led aft, from the corner of the square sails (note i don't call it a name: there is a reason for this I will explain this tomorrow) the tacks (not to be confused with the lower windward corner of the sail) are led Forward, and pull the corner of the sail forward as well as down, this is particularly useful when trying to sail as close to the wind as possible (approximately 50 or 60 degrees depending on how modern the vessel is).

The yards are moved either to port or starboard depending on what tack you are by the use of braces.

Some ships have fixed yards others have yards that are hauled into place by a halyard, in order to hoist the yard the sheets and tacks must be loosened off otherwise you wont be able to raise the sail or you will cause a lot of damage.

The is one other piece of running rigging that controls the yards but I will leave that till tomorrow otherwise it will spoil my question for tomorrow 😁😁😁😁

Hope you find these questions interesting if technically not about model boats but for those that build model sailing ships it might help you to understand what all the rigging is and what it does - if you want me to stop just say I wont be offended lol, conversely if you have any questions just ask, if you don't want to post on an open forum just DM me.

I will only spit my dummy out if I answer the QoD right tomorrow but end up going down to 8th position.

Seriously I don't know the audience of the forum so I apologise is a try to teach my Granny to suck eggs but I do enjoy imparting my knowledge in a fun way that I have collected over nearly 70 years
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#4

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Hi all sheets are thenames of the ropes that let the sails in or out or adjust them. A tack is also a manoeuvre for sailing boats when they turn throught the wind to get the wind on the other side of the boat.

So generally on a small yacht you 'go about' the lad on the rudder will make sure you have some speed shove the rudder over and yell Lee Ho! Let go the sails so they flap, do a quick shift to the other side of the yacht. He will quickly change hans between the main sheet and the rudder and as soon as you pass through the eye of the wind he will pull in the sail and centralise the rudder and make sure he can see where he is going on his new course.
If you have not done it before it is quite exciting very noisy from the sails flapping and maybe falling over in the yacht.
You will be shouted at for your incompetence and if you really are that bad you will probably get wet as well.

When you get to the bigger yachts an owner will tell you it is the equivalent of tearing up £10 notes under a cold shower.
Otherwise "Tack" has several meanings.
So, Seen it, been there and got the wet Tee shirt. I used to help teach Sea scouts basic sailing not the most rewarding job, the little s**s. I was a registered Life saver and there were a few I would cheerfully have left behind.
Roy
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#3

Pats QoD

Sheets and tacks are used to control sail shape. Generally a sheet pulls after and a tack pulls forward. Commonly found together on vessels with square sails...
If it don't fit, use a hammer to make it fit....
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#1

Pats QoD

In terms of running rigging what is the difference between a sheet and a tack and what kind of vessel would you find these on
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