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    ๐Ÿ“ MAST HOOP
    2 hours ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ RossM ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Fore mast hoop resting on the foremast with a 1 kilogram load on the paper mache hoop

    so far, so good

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    ๐Ÿ“ MAST HOOP MOLDING
    2 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ RossM ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Hi Graham,

    My first moulding (MAST HOOPS 2nd entry) did not go well using paper as a separation layer. I switched over to 0.25mm plastic sheeting wrapped around the dowel. Form the hoop over the plastic sheeting. Slide that sheeting with the newly formed hoop tube stock off the dowel. Remove the sheeting from the inside of the moulded hoop tube stock

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: MAST HOOP MOLDING
    2 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Ronald ( Admiral)
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    I know you guys are going for authenticity and Iโ€™m all for that donโ€™t get me wrong. When building the schooner in 2022, Gary Webb advised me to use abs water pipe. It cuts verily easily and it works well.
    ๐Ÿ“ Mast hoops & sails
    2 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ RossM ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    This is the photo I got today from Bluenose II. EMILY S sent a quick description. Around the mast hoop and through the grommet hole, very simple and straight forward technique.

    Alessandro:

    Do those look like stainless steel bolts??

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Mast hoops & sails
    2 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น AlessandroSPQR ( Captain)
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    Yes, they look just like steel bolts.
    ๐Ÿ“ MAST HOOPS
    2 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ RossM ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    And direct from the manufacturer's representative . . .

    and also note the hoop bolts

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: MAST HOOPS
    2 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น AlessandroSPQR ( Captain)
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    You are quite free about the system for tying the mast hoops to the sail.
    You can choose between different thicknesses of rope and decide whether to pass it once or more (as these girls do and as I did).
    Basically it involves tying a wooden ring to the hole on the edge of the sail.
    Probably you and I, even if we hadn't seen any photos, would have done this (or something very similar).
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: MAST HOOPS
    2 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Graham93 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Here's my attempt at mast hoops:

    (when I click in the link it takes me to the right blog, but not the right post - you have to scroll down).


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    ๐Ÿ“ MAST HOOP
    2 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ RossM ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Nice help from Bluenose II

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    2 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น AlessandroSPQR ( Captain)
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    Ross, while I see if I have other images, besides the ones already posted, I'll talk to you about the pegs.

    I bought pegs of various sizes from this modeling shop. It's always a good idea to have various sizes just in case, but it's also fine to modify them as you do.
    Brass costs more but they don't rust and are easy to file, cut or bend.




    https://www.rocrimodellismo.com/it/chiodini/2163-chiodini-in-ottone-finissimi-da
    https://www.rocrimodellismo.com/it/2-home
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: MAST HOOP
    2 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น AlessandroSPQR ( Captain)
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    Hi RossM, the research continues but in the meantime you can see these three images.
    The second and third were already part of those I had sent.
    Are they not enough for you to understand how the mast hoops were related to the sail?
    ๐Ÿ“ MAST HOOPS
    2 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ RossM ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    No, not my Bluenose. Bluenose II Lunenburg Nova Scotia

    ๐Ÿ“ MAST HOOPS
    3 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ RossM ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    We have 2 sizes available for MAST HOOP bolts today, Sir

    Along with MAST HOOPS from Lunenburg, Nova Scotia

    ๐Ÿ“ MAST HOOPS
    3 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ RossM ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Tomorrow I'll look on my PC for photos of the attachments of the mast hoops to the sails and I'll attach them to you.
    WOOHOO!!! thank you Alessandro

    I WAS thinking they should be bronze or brass

    I was also thinking, like you, the head was too large. Also, when I trim the pin to correct length it will have a sharp edge that could scrape the mast and be pushed out of the hoop

    SOLUTION:
    reverse the pin. Smooth pin head is against the mast and what will appear to be the head of the pin, on the outside, will be the pin shaft

    No mast scraping, proper scale bolt head showing on outside. Material is still a problem

    ๐Ÿ“ MAST HOOP
    3 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ RossM ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Would you like that in Stainless Steel , Sir?๐Ÿ˜‰

    ๐Ÿ“ MAST HOOP
    3 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ RossM ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    and varnish 3 coats. I tossed one into a cup of water over night, it only slightly softened. If the boat gets that wet, I have bigger problems

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    3 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น AlessandroSPQR ( Captain)
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    Hi everyone.

    JockScott you were very lucky to have seen her up close.

    Ross, if you really want to look for this information (and you're not joking as usual) you have all my admiration.

    Great to have found your right proportion between diameters.

    My opinion on nails: I would see them as better made of brass or bronze and with a slightly smaller head.
    Experiment and see which size you like best. When I didn't have small nails I filed the heads.

    Tomorrow I'll look on my PC for photos of the attachments of the mast hoops to the sails and I'll attach them to you.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: MAST HOOP
    3 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ RossM ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    . . . but a really good shot of the throat halyard attachment and the lazy jacks detail. Everybody gets pictures of the front of the hoops, hard to find sail attachment

    Your comment on being at BN 2 last summer reminded me of the RICK MERCER REPORT of Rick SLUSHING THE MAST

    thanks Jock

    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: MAST HOOP
    3 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ JockScott ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Not quite a view of how the sails are attached to the hoops as they were furled when I visited B.N. 2 last summer but may give you info on the hoops and how they were rigged.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: MAST HOOP
    3 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ RossM ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Alessandro,

    It took me a long time to find out that MAST HOOPS are 30% bigger on the inside diameter, than the base of the mast๐Ÿ˜€. There is at least 6 ways to attach the sail to the mast hoop. I am trying to contact BLUENOSE 2 in Nova Scotia, Canada to discover how it would have been done on Bluenose
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: MAST HOOP
    3 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น AlessandroSPQR ( Captain)
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    Hi Ross, yes those, you've definitely already thought about it.

    ". . . and I thought I was the only one to collect pictures of CANESTRELLI, or mast hoops"
    ahahahahahahaha
    I already had them because I used them when I made my "mast hoops".

    I collected some photos of them because at that time I was interested in knowing their diameter compared to the diameter of the mast and I was interested in knowing if they were only made of wood or other material. I have found that some cover them with leather or protective skin.
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: MAST HOOP
    3 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ RossM ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Alessandro,

    You mean these?๐Ÿค”

    I have lots of them!๐Ÿ˜

    CANESTRELLI my day's Italian lesson๐Ÿ‘

    . . . and I thought I was the only one to collect pictures of CANESTRELLI, or mast hoops๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: MAST HOOP
    3 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น AlessandroSPQR ( Captain)
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    Hi RossM.

    Are these circles you're making the ones in these photos?

    We call them "canestrelli" and when I described them in my model I translated them (using Google translate) with the generic English term "rings".
    An Italian-English maritime glossary indicates them with the term "travellers".

    If they are the ones in the photo then I understand that the exact term in English is "mast hoop".

    In my opinion you built them very well.
    Well done Ross.

    If you want to make them even more realistic (provided I understand what we're talking about) you could add the joining nails, but they're fine as they are.
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