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๐ฌ Re: HMS Pert and her rudder
23 days ago by ๐ฎ๐น AlessandroSPQR ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks Rob (RPLedm) for the very thorough answers.
You put some of the answers by re-editing the same previous message, re-editing it. It's very clear to me but maybe someone who reads my question after your answer might be perplexed. I saw that you also added the photo with the three capacitors, that's exactly what I meant. Yes, I think this is the best possible configuration; Some people are satisfied with just the capacitor between positive and negative. I totally agree with you on the choice of batteries, I also prefer lead batteries (specifically those of the VRLA family of the AGM type). They are cheap and not very demanding. But their low cost compared to the others is the only real plus. I agree on the weight as long as the project manages to place them as low as possible, at least below the waterline, but this is not always possible due to the shape of the hull. For this reason I prefer the 6 volt ones that are smaller and modulable (in case of need with the series connection I can also have 12 volts from them). Surely you already know but you are not forced to use the BEC of the ESC, I find it more advantageous to power the servos and receiver with separate batteries, one dedicated to the receiver-servos and one to the ESC-brushed motor. Now I'll stop here with the questions, I don't want to bother you too much, I look forward to further developments and the navigation video when the time comes. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Those motors for Pert
24 days ago by ๐ฎ๐น AlessandroSPQR ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi RPLedm, why are you still looking for a way to answer? You already did.
Not only did you answer promptly but you did it in a very thorough way and I thank you, I really like detailed and informative answers. But before I get into the merits of the question, I welcome you on my behalf to this site, I am really happy that there are people like you (the photo of your lab has favorably impressed me and I like to learn). I signed up to this site, skillfully administered by Stephen (Fireboat), thanks to AndyN's report more than a year ago. You must excuse my English, but I use Google Translate. In your exhaustive description you anticipated some of my questions. I imagined that the motors can be controlled separately. What do you mean by "snubber network"? I was unable to translate snubber. From my personal experience I imagined that it is three polyester capacitors (not electrolytic), one placed between positive and negative, one between positive and metal casing of the motor and one between negative and metal casing of the motor. Do you mean this configuration? Not having experience with naval models with paddle wheels I just imagined that 180 rpm could be a speed (perhaps) too high. You are confirming this to me and, from what I understand, you will reduce the voltage to reduce the initial speed of the electric motors. I am sure that this works but, then, if you power everything at 6 volts or 7.2 volts, you no longer need to find an ESC that supports 12 volts, you will find many cheap ones up to 8 volts. Two more questions: is the rudder working or will you only use the paddle wheels to turn? What type of batteries will you use? I can't wait to see your model in the water, when the weather is better. ▲
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Mike Stoney
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๐ฌ Re: HMS Pert Admiralty Drawings and Paper Chase (also known as research).
24 days ago by ๐ฎ๐น AlessandroSPQR ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Mike, this shipyard could have many important ideas for your beautiful ship model.
Car window motors (if they are new) cost a lot, at least here in Italy. However, they can also be recovered from scrapped cars (and not by stealing them as you jokingly say) at a low price or for free. The motor of the ship called Francesca was recovered from an old truck. Those for windshield wipers can also be useful. In this case the advantage is that the gear box for speed reduction is already ready. However, I'm not sure if the speed is low enough, I'd be curious to know. ▲
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Mike Stoney
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๐ฌ Re: HMS Pert Admiralty Drawings and Paper Chase (also known as research).
24 days ago by ๐ฎ๐น AlessandroSPQR ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi RpLedm, you wrote that the motors run at 180 rpm; I imagine it is the number of revolutions obtained with the mechanical reduction (I don't think it is the original one of the brush motor), can you confirm it?
I am ignorant of paddle wheel ship models and assumed it was a high RPM. In your opinion, is the number of revolutions per minute adequate or too fast? Can you maintain a realistic speed of your model? Do you have any navigation videos you can show us? I would love to see it in action. ▲
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Mike Stoney
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๐ฌ Re: HMS Pert (HMT RNAS Steam Side Paddle Tug)
25 days ago by ๐จ๐ญ Mike Stoney ( Commodore)
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Hello RP,
Ciao Alessandro! If you don't ask, you don't get an answer, do you ? He has already answered most of the questions I would have had, but wonder which engine types he used, and from which car model he used them. he โstoleโ them from? Surely someone is driving around without windscreen wipers now? . And in this weather! ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ Hey RP, tell me this secret! ๐๐๐๐ The astonished Michel-C. ▲
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25 days ago by ๐ฎ๐น AlessandroSPQR ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi RL, thanks for sharing this model of yours. Congratulations for your creation skills and for the very accurate description.
I'm a bit curious, I'd like to ask you some questions. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: HMS Pert (HMT RNAS Steam Side Paddle Tug)
25 days ago by ๐ฌ๐ง tim morland ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Lovely Model
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๐ฌ Re: HMS Pert (HMT RNAS Steam Side Paddle Tug)
26 days ago by ๐ฌ๐ง SimpleSailor ( Warrant Officer)
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Are your drive motors made from window wiper motors with the return function removed? They do look like it. I used similar motors on one of my RC tanks.
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๐ฌ Re: HMS Pert (HMT RNAS Steam Side Paddle Tug)
26 days ago by ๐จ๐ณ Chuck ( Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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Very nice work from both of you! I grew up on the banks of the Ohio River so sternwheeler towboats are in my blood but live in China where paddlewheel boats were commonly used in the 5th century.
I'm currently in the process of developing the second of a series of sternwheeler kits that cover the gas or diesel boats still paddling the rivers of my home state but mine is based on a chain drive which make for a far simpler setup. Attached is a photo of the real Juanita that the second of our releases which will be 1/24 scale & more manageable in size compared to earlier 1/18 Major released last year. I have come across a French builder who made a 3D printed working pitman but will need to look for those files that I saved. Will post later for reference. Here's a link to a sternwheeler build that uses a worm gear to drive the wheel but also with a simulated pitman drive for effect. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: HMS Pert (HMT RNAS Steam Side Paddle Tug)
26 days ago by ๐จ๐ญ Mike Stoney ( Commodore)
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Hello RL!
All respect, beautiful model! But what really caught my eye was your drive. Can you tell me more about it or give me some tips please? As I am working on a stern wheel steamer, I would prefer this drive. My gear drive is a bit too unreliable. . By the way, a happy new year 2025 to you too, best hobbyist wishes from central Switzerland Michel-C. Ps: First the old very loud version, the new one with integrated gearbox ▲
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