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๐ฌ Re: NQD PX-16
3 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง CB90 ( Captain)
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Hi Boatshed
I purchased the 29" Double Horse 7007 Flying Fish Remote Radio Control RC Speed Boat Ready to Run RTR from Amazon at ยฃ59.99 ▲
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๐ฌ Re: NQD PX-16
3 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง BOATSHED ( Lieutenant Commander)
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Hi CB90,
Where did you get the Flying fish from? did you buy it new or was that another off of Ebay or somewhere else? ▲
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๐ฌ Re: NQD PX-16
4 months ago by ๐ฎ๐น AlessandroSPQR ( Vice Admiral)
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Blessed duct tape. They even use it to repair real planes.
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๐ฌ Re: NQD PX-16
4 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง BOATSHED ( Lieutenant Commander)
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CB90
My nice new brass propellors arrived today, earlier than predicted. I am very impressed. What a great service from them. I would definitely buy from them again. Thanks again for the informattion on where to buy them ▲
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๐ฌ Re: NQD PX-16
4 months ago by ๐ฎ๐น AlessandroSPQR ( Vice Admiral)
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Strong water cooling intake on the rudders.
I really like the blue gecko. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: NQD PX-16
4 months ago by ๐บ๐ธ LewZ ( Commodore)
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Hello Roy (CB90)... exactly what I was thinking. It would be very hard to find a simple setup to synch two motors with the variables involved which include not only the motors themselves, but the linkage all the way down to and including the prop.
I find it much easier to the "original setup" you had in your photo and adjusting the boats direction running straight by trimming the rudder. In most cases we have a limited distance the boats can travel straight. Interesting conversation๐. Lew Florida ๐, USA๐ ▲
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4 months ago by ๐ฎ๐น AlessandroSPQR ( Vice Admiral)
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Thanks Roy for sharing this information and especially the video, it's very helpful.
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๐ฌ Re: NQD PX-16
4 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง CB90 ( Captain)
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Hi LewZ,
I did not use a ' 'Y' cable was not the answer for me' What I was trying to achieve was to synchronise the two motors . Note, the two ESCs start up at at different points of the joystick initial movement, even when they initialise together, this must be component differences/ tolerances and or some mechanical resistance. Thus as per the video I mixed the two channels (3 master & 5 slave) channel 5 is the joy stick for steering and 5 has no input then an offset value used to bring the two motors to close to having a simultaneous start, which they did not before. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: NQD PX-16
4 months ago by ๐บ๐ธ LewZ ( Commodore)
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I'm not too sure what your are trying to achieve with the two motors, two ESCs, and a "Y" cable plug and the mixing.
I watched the video and I also use a few I6X radios (plus others). I don't see how this all would work on one channel. Several of my boats have multiple motors and props. Perhaps if you could sketch out a schematic or an explanation on what you are trying to do, one or more of us can help. Lew Florida โฑ๏ธ, USA ๐บ๐ธ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: NQD PX-16
4 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง CB90 ( Captain)
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Hi BOATSHED,
You should get them in about a month max. I have the same problem finding suitable water, my club is about 35 miles away. Regards Roy ▲
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4 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง BOATSHED ( Lieutenant Commander)
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Hi CB90
I went back onto that site, I made them an offer and I have a pair of those nice propellors on their way to me. Only trouble now is when they arrive (it's says about 18-20th June I'm a Bit dubious from China) I don't know when I will be able to get to use them. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: NQD PX-16
4 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง BOATSHED ( Lieutenant Commander)
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CB90,
Many thanks for your reply with this information. I will be getting a couple of those, I have been looking for decent metal props so that I can experiment when I am out with 2 of my boats. Proboat Miss Geico this is great on the water but never tried a different prop on her. Also my Graupner Rhode Island F1 Tunnel Hull, this one I have never had it out on the water yet. I am a bit scared of it as I have never run a brushless outboard. I have also started to build a bigger tunnel hull she's about 32" I think. Last time I run an outboard on a model boat was way back in the 70's, it was a K&B 3.5cc that was a beast to run. My friends who was with me wouldn't put there boats out when this was running. I think the Graupner one will be much faster and scarier. I will also be after a3 bladed prop to play with. I have a couple of Plastic one's to try first to see how they fare. My only trouble is I dont live very near a decent pond to run a boat on, ▲
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๐ฌ Re: NQD PX-16
4 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง CB90 ( Captain)
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Hi Boat shed
the props are 36 mm for 4mm shafts from ebay Hurry last pair ▲
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๐ฌ Re: NQD PX-16
4 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง BOATSHED ( Lieutenant Commander)
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I take it that the shafts are 4mm , what size are the propellors, and where did you get them from, please? It all looks very tidy in there.
When will you be posting a maiden run video ??I cannot wait to see that going. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: NQD PX-16
4 months ago by ๐ฎ๐น AlessandroSPQR ( Vice Admiral)
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Very good Roy, I watch and learn.
It's true I happened to see motorboats in the lakes that capsized almost immediately, they only managed to make it a few metres. ▲
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5 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง CB90 ( Captain)
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Hi Alessandro,
Your right about the weight factor, but this hull is very thin and it would flex, I am only putting in one battery and hopefully one servo, but I decided I wanted two motors in the rails (lower COG) rather than one bigger motor in the middle. The two rudders are for control, these will not give max speed, but will hopefully keep the bow down, as these tunnel boat have a tendency to flip and the pond I will use it on is small, so control is important. Picture shows normal mods, keeping things simple, but note major reinforcement to set drive shaft and motor to the middle, Shaft in this position will increase drag and the larger 36mm diameter motor will raise the COG. Regards Roy ▲
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๐ฌ Re: NQD PX-16
5 months ago by ๐ฎ๐น AlessandroSPQR ( Vice Admiral)
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Hello shipmate Roy, you are right to reinforce the structure.
You're keeping tabs on the total weight, right? I'm not an expert on fast motorboats but I believe that lightness is one of the fundamental factors for being able to gets up on a plane. I continue to follow you with interest. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: ๐ NQD PX-16
4 months ago by ๐บ๐ธ Len1 ( Lieutenant)
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WOW. Really shows how much pressure the expanding foam must generate. Like the progress.
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๐ฌ Re: ๐ NQD PX-16
5 months ago by ๐บ๐ธ LewZ ( Commodore)
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Roy, et al. The incident that I mentioned where the foam expanded too much happened 50+ years ago. I resort to making floation to fit into the hull then fasten it in place. Lew, Florida ๐, USA ๐บ๐ธ
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๐ฌ Re: ๐ NQD PX-16
5 months ago by ๐ฌ๐ง CB90 ( Captain)
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Hi Alessandro,
The boat does look a mess, but I hope I can tidy it up a bit (plastic padding to the rescue), It looks like most of the damaged areas will be out the water when it gets up on a plane. (If it gets up on a plane). Regards Roy ▲
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๐ฌ Re: ๐ NQD PX-16
5 months ago by ๐ฎ๐น AlessandroSPQR ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Roy, I'm sorry you had to work twice as hard because of the foam but if you solved it in the end, I'm happy.
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5 months ago by ๐บ๐ธ LewZ ( Commodore)
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I don't know what type of foam you have been using. Some will exert pressure and distort where it is applied. Looks like this is what you have. (My first model boat has an extremely high cambered deck with splits do to me using this type of foam.)
Your hull looks to be vacuum formed ABS (basically styrene). The first thing I would do is remove the foam wherever is has caused distortion. Next re-check the hull. If distortion still exists, you will have to reform the hull. You will probably need to build a jig to force the hull back into shape you want then carefully apply heat (heat gun). (This is how the hull was made in the first place.) Remove from jig. If did not go all the way back to normal you might need to over compensate holding the hull to allow some "spring back" and try heating again. Tip: "Window and Door foam" does not exert pressure. Prevents windows and doors from distorting. Lew Florida, US ▲
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๐ฌ Re: NQD PX-16
5 months ago by ๐ฎ๐น AlessandroSPQR ( Vice Admiral)
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Hi Roy.
I was afraid to tell you and I didn't want to jinx it but foam (if that's what I mean) is "dangerous" for modeling in my opinion. It grows uncontrollably. I have used it for other purposes, other than modeling, and I realized that if it doesn't have the right vents it is capable of deforming even metals. I hope you can fix the warping. I can't see it well from the photos, it doesn't seem excessive to me but maybe I'm wrong. ▲
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