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    Scratch built, Working Steam powered Drifter trawler LT100, to 1:24th scale.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Yet More Deck Planking.
    7 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Progress is fairly slow but steady.

    I glued some pieces of thin ply as a gluing guide for the forward hoodway.

    I have now got to the point where decisions about the center or king plank need to be made.

    In Tedโ€™s book on page 77, he says the center plank was tapered although there is no indication of this in his sketch's.

    If I made a single tapered plank it would end up looking absurd in my opinion, I made up a card template to visualize it at itโ€™s widest point the plank would be the equivalent of 2.5 feet wide.

    After a bit of a search on the internet I found some deck planking photos that indicate a method of letting planks into the king plank and I think I will go for this approach although not as stylishly.

    Here is a photo of my proposed method, letting 2 planks into each side of the tapered king plank to thin it down to an acceptable amount.

    Lastly a few progress photos.

    Constructive criticism is welcomed...

    More to comeโ€ฆ

    Thanks for looking in and reading my ramblings or just looking at the photoโ€™s and stay safe.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.ย 
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    23 hours ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thank you Ron,

    I think dogged determination is probably the overriding thing.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    23 hours ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Roy,
    Photo 5-6 is to show the concept that I intend to follow, yes photo 6 looks great.
    Photo 7-8 shows what I propose to do which will make the tapered plank not so wide.
    I hope the center plank won't look too wrong once done.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    1 day ago by Ron ( Rear Admiral)
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    Fantastic work! Your patience is very evident here. Not many model builders are capable of doing this quality of workmanship.
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    1 day ago by roycv ( Warrant Officer)
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    Wow Photo 6 is really nice. May I suggest that the tapered plank be not so wide at the thick end and again not so narrow at the bow. Aesthetically a wide centre plank could look a bit OTT at the bow.
    Great that you are doing it properly though.
    regards
    Roy
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    3 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Gary,
    Not quite firing on all cylinders, but getting there.

    I had thought of a split down the center, trouble is this I think it would not be correct. According to Ted's description the center plank was wide enough for the bollard to be mounted on.

    One other idea was to have a plank along the center wide enough for the bollard but with a tapered plank either side, trouble is this also doesn't ring true to Ted's description.

    I think I am up to a bit of a "fitting" challenge, so I will stick to the original plan.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 days ago by GaryLC ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Stephen, and good to see you back on here and making progress, hopefully, you are fully recovered and firing on all cylinders as per the P5? On the deck planking front why make it more difficult than it needs to be, go for a more simple solution and cut a long vee section that buts together on the centerline to give a herringbone look? Remembering the fact of course that it was herring they were going for when fishing. Plus you have the front mast base, a ventilator, and a bollard all on that same centerline, so some of the join will be covered. Considering your build so far and all of the problems encountered on that journey, you will sort this to your satisfaction and not be led astray. Remembering the song"He did it his way". Regards, Gary.
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    6 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Fantastic videos JB,

    To me it looks like the deck planks are laid straight on the Lydia Eva.

    Mine have a little bit of a curve both fore and aft as described in Ted's book.

    I had found other videos of Lydia Eva before but they were quite long and didn't show the deck very well.

    I will save those videos in my little reference library.

    Love the colour of the deck in the video.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    6 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Steve, here's a few vids I found which might give an idea.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0d5lIES9pI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSHZtRjNqXA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWyjcEDSVk4 (this one gives a glimpse of the foredeck)

    Planks all look the same width right through ?

    JB
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    7 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Dave,
    You are right the planks mid ships run parallel to the center line, but then there is a slight curve fore and aft, nothing like the 2 yacht decks pictured but it is there.
    Ted does say in his book at the yard where Formidable was made they did put a slight curve fore and aft.
    The white cardboard wedge is the required taper.
    I know at first look there doesn't seem much if any taper but there is a taper there.
    I think I will let planks into the king plank.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    7 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Trev,
    I think I will do that.๐Ÿ‘

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    7 days ago by dave976 ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Your planking is running parallel to the centre line unlike the picture of a pleasure yacht where the planks are bent and stepped into the centre plank. To use this on your model would require re-laying all the good work already undertaken and making curved planks. I very much doubt your steam drifter had curved planks, but stand to be corrected. The centre plank is often slightly wider than the deck planking to take up any slight differences from side to side. Looking at your model a tapered plank does not seem to be required apart from some minor taper to fill the centre. Hope you find a satisfactory solution.
    dave976
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    7 days ago by pressonreguardless ( Midshipman)
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    Hi Stephen,
    In my experience with full size sailing yachts, letting into the king Plank was common practice. Good Choice๐Ÿ‘
    Trev
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    ๐Ÿ“ As requested some More Rudder pics.
    26 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Some more Rudder pics as requested.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    17 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Stephen -
    "You gotta have a dream,
    if you don't have a dream,
    how you gonna have a dream come true"
    Happy Talk, South Pacific!๐Ÿ˜‰
    ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    17 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Doug,

    Not sure about the "keeping comfy and serving every whim" that might have been a dream I had once. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    17 days ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    "Not much planning going on, no real interest at the moment. "
    Know what you mean Stephen ๐Ÿค”
    Glad to see you seem to be on the mend๐Ÿ‘
    Trust the 'better half' is keeping you comfy and serving your every whim๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ™„
    All the best, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    17 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Gary,

    Not much planning going on, no real interest at the moment.

    Pretty sure I am over the hump but, cannot really rush these things.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    17 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Trev,

    That's the hope although this bug is dragging it's feet.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    17 days ago by pressonreguardless ( Midshipman)
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    Hi Stephen,
    Sorry to hear. Wishing you a speedy recovery!
    Trev
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    17 days ago by GaryLC ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Stephen, and really sorry to hear that, and being laid up for a week sounds pretty damn serious. Keep the Oracle by the bedside and do a bit of future planning for when you are back on your feet. Get well soon regards, Gary.
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    18 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Gary,

    Deck planking has come to a halt, due to me being laid up with a bit of a nasty bug, I haven't been out to the workshop for 1 week.

    Just trying to recover at the moment.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    18 days ago by GaryLC ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Stephen, and very authentic-looking, just like the real thing in miniature. How is the deck planking coming along? Regards, Gary.
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    18 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks JB.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    18 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Steve, that's one classy looking rudder set-up๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

    JB
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    25 days ago by pressonreguardless ( Midshipman)
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    Hi Stephen,
    The Rudder looks Great๐Ÿ‘
    Trev
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    26 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Chris,
    I agree the overall look will change a lot when paint is applied and not for the better.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    26 days ago by ChrisG ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks for the pictures, in its own way a work of art in its own right, be a pity to cover the wood and brass work with paint.
    Great work Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ“ More Deck Planking.
    26 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    As the deck proceeds I am getting more settled in my opinion of it, thatโ€™s not to say I think it is brilliant but things have gone from โ€œwhat the heck have I done to myselfโ€ with this hair brained approach and questionable results, to maybe it isnโ€™t too bad.

    It should be noted that the deck is intended to look a bit old as will the rest of the boat, this is due to it being a working boat not a pleasure yacht and even though some owners probably kept their boats in a well looked after condition I think there would be โ€œweatheredโ€ areas and the deck would show weathering first I think and possibly within a couple of years could look a bit like I am presenting, at least thatโ€™s my guess.

    I quite quickly worked out that using a small spatula to spread the glue mix wasnโ€™t the way to go and started looking for an alternative. I ended up with a BBQ marinade injector that has 2 different diameter nozzles that I thought would be large enough for my thick mix to pass through and it was.

    As I have progressed I have made the mix thinner, but still thick enough that it doesnโ€™t flow readily, in the hope of reducing air bubbles which show up after trimming.

    The first 4 rows of planks Port and Starboard, I prepared in one hit partly to get an idea of how they were going to look with regard to how much of a curve there would be fore and aft.

    I now prepare two complete rows of planks, one Port and one Starboard at any one time this is to try and keep things even and when laying them I start at one end and work my way to the other end all in one sitting.

    I have found there is a sweet spot for trimming the excess glue mix anywhere between 1 and 3 hours after laying, when the glue is not completely dry but not too wet.

    Laying the deck is something I was looking forward to doing, I can say that I never expected the amount of concern it caused early on, I am happy to say that things have settled down and I am enjoying it more and more, except for the repetition that has crept in, well you know there is no pleasing some people.

    One other problem on the horizon is how the forecastle center plank is going to look, the concern is how much of a taper is acceptable.

    Ted says on page 77 in his book Tree to Sea, that there is a tapered plank forward and aft, though there is no mention as too how big it is and his sketch of a planked deck doesnโ€™t show a tapered plank.

    I made up a rough approximation of the amount of taper, in realty there will not be straight sides and think it is too wide at the aft end, I am going to wait and see how the planking looks when I get a bit nearer to needing a tapered plank.

    I am also starting to have a go at modifying some 1/24th scale people, something I havenโ€™t done before. Starting with the guy lying on his back, I want him to be standing though I am not sure of what sort of pose yet. This one is more for a learning experience, see how it goes when I get back to it.

    Constructive criticism is welcomed...

    More to comeโ€ฆ

    Thanks for looking in and reading my ramblings or just looking at the photoโ€™s and stay safe.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.ย 
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    18 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Trev,

    I am sure you will find a project, persistence pays off.

    Steam is alive, I think that is what the draw is.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    Not at all Steven, You are an inspiration. I am chaffing at the bit to build a steam vessel. I thought the Mt Washington was going to be my steamy. Alas much to my disappointment it did not prove feasible.
    I will not be deterred. I shall seek another build in the future to fulfill my wish for a Steamy. ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
    What is it about steam engines that borders on addiction?๐Ÿ˜ฎ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    Trev
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    19 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Mike,

    I hope people are not jealous of my work and if it turns out alright maybe it will inspire others to try something similar.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    19 days ago by mturpin013 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Great work Steve as usual, a weathered model is always an eye catcher, its going to be a level of effect that we will all be very jealous off.
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    23 days ago by GaryLC ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Stephen, try and cut down on the salads until the deck is completed. Gary.
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    24 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Gary,
    I have only got one Marinade dispenser and at $10 AU, I am hoping not to need to buy any more. The only bit I clean is the dispensing tube, which has a M6 thread and after removing I use an M6 bolt with Teflon tape to screw into the end and keep the whole thing sealed.
    Still a fair bit to do on the deck and then there is the Bulwarks to do.


    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    25 days ago by GaryLC ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Stephen, wow, the deck planking is looking really great and well worth the time and effort that went into it, as the end result is both realistic and convincing and as near as you're ever going to get to the real thing. At least the amidships planking will be easier due to shorter more manageable lengths. Question how many marinade dispensers have you used to date? Or is it soluble enough to clean out after use? I particularly like photo number six looking down the length of the hull which looks absolutely stunning. Keep up the good work as it will all be plain sailing after your deck trauma is complete. Regards, Gary.
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    25 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Trev,

    I certainly hope so, I tend to think once the other deck fittings are in place the deck will be more in the background and not look as over done as it does at the moment.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    25 days ago by pressonreguardless ( Midshipman)
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    Hi Stephen,
    I think when the deck is fully planked it will look great.
    When looked at as a whole all will blend in nicely.
    Trev
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    26 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks JB,
    I don't mind the randomness of the staining as the decking progresses.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    26 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I think the planking is going to look spot on once finished. The stain effect really looks good now there are a few planks on.

    JB
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    26 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Rick,

    Yea there was a terrible accident in the boat yard although I am assured that he will recover with the help of some epoxy. ๐Ÿ˜

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    26 days ago by Newby7 ( Admiral)
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    Well done Stephen The rudder turned out well and I think the deck planking is coming nicely. You are doing such a good job your sailer has lost a leg and his head over yuor work.
    Rick
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    ๐Ÿ“ Installing a Sail Winch.
    1 month ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    I have always been going to RC the Mizzen sail.
    Controlling both Raise & Lower and Port & Starboard using 2 servos or winches.

    The original idea was to mount both servos in the Galley (aft part of deck house) later on it became apparent that the Port & Starboard servo would be best placed somewhere aft of the deck house.

    This is something I had forgotten about, although while looking at my decking attempts, I started thinking whether there was anything else I needed to do under the deck level before laying all of the deck.

    Then I remembered I needed to fit a servo, or should I say โ€œshoe hornโ€ one in as there is not a lot of space left once the steam plant is in.

    The plans show 3 tackles attached to the aft end of the Mizzen boom, see photo. From my limited knowledge of Gaff rigs having these 3 tackles is not generally practiced on other types of vessels, in Tedโ€™s book there is a brief description of why the other 2 tackles are present.

    Thankfully I had a 4 turn Sail Winch in stock and could start playing around with how on earth I was going to squeeze it in. In the end it wasnโ€™t too bad, after a bit of a fiddle I made up a cardboard template and adjusted it a couple of times, then cut the shape into a piece of plywood later adding some strengthening pieces out of Spruce.

    I drilled a hole in the aft sub deck for a brass tube to be inserted into and thread itโ€™s way to the servo position avoiding the rudder actuator, later on after much thought I decided to add a second tube to enable me to control 2 lines or I can drop back to a single.
    I then added a couple of clamps to keep the brass tubes in place.

    The reason for this is I am concerned about the angle that the center tackle will tip over to will be very flat when the Mizzen boom is let out a fair bit, which I think will cause the boom to lift quite a bit, this is due to the mounting point being very high, thatโ€™s where the ability to try adding another tackle this time Port & Starboard should prevent the boom lifting all that much, we will see how that plays out later on.

    Then some more adjustments, drill mounting holes make a brass nut and glue in place, the entire servo and mount are removable if needed, to finish off I varnished the mount and areas that I had ground down in fitting the brass tubes.

    I have included some pics of the steam plant in the boat with the removable upper section in place, before the deck is fully on, I am really glad I installed all the gear before doing the deck as it would have been a nightmare to do after the deck is fitted.


    More to comeโ€ฆ

    Thanks for looking in and reading my ramblings or just looking at the photoโ€™s and stay safe.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.ย 
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    1 month ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Chris,
    Thank you for your comments and taking the time to read previous posts.
    Is there any particular area of the rudder you would like to see? What I mean is photos of the components or assembled photos.
    Don't be disgruntled what I am doing takes a ridiculous amount of time.
    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    1 month ago by ChrisG ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hello Stephen
    I think your model is absolutely amazing and I have been reading your earlier blogs relating to this build, so impressed with the workmanship I just hope that when finished it will be well insured.
    The technical bits are lost on me I am generally a `two servo man` and cannot always get them to run how I would wish.
    I saw a photo in one of your earlier selection which showed the rudder and the beautiful brass work that operates it, be nice to see a couple more pictures of that please.
    Now a little disgruntled I will continue with my modest attempt at my current project.
    Regards ChrisG
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    ๐Ÿ“ Deck Planking, Take 2.
    1 month ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    I wasnโ€™t really happy with the thinned down planks, I mean it worked on the model but when I thought about it, they weren't right. When faced with this sort of problem I like to think about how I or the shipwrights would have done it, and in my opinion they would do things in a way that is time and material efficient and removing half of a few planks didnโ€™t add up.

    On my initial planks I had a 2.5mm step in them, this caused too much of a severe bend when laying (it doesnโ€™t seem to show up in the photos but the bend is more than wanted) to the point that one snapped. What to do, read Teds description of how the planks were cut again to find the step was only 1 ยพโ€ on the real thing which at 1/24th scale is roughly 1.8mm, so the planks that have a very shallow taper I tried making them with a step closer to 1mm and success. My idea is to increase the step size up to 1.8 for the planks that have a steeper angle. In reality there is no surprise when you look at after it is done, but it took me a dozen planks to work it out, all part of that learning curve.

    I did some experiments a couple of years ago with caulking and found that a mix of Titebond 3 + West Systems 406 filler + Black Artists Acrylic worked quite well in those experiments, this is what I decided to try.

    In the excitement to lay the first plank I forgot to do an experiment with a wider caulking gap of .8mm to see how it looked, (my earlier experiments had a gap of around .4mm) and for some reason I thought it would be alright to go with .8mm, so when I laid the first plank and looked at it I thought that is too wide, and promptly pulled it up before the glue mix set.

    After shaping the planks, I glue a piece of .44mm brass wire (something I have plenty of, see photo) along one edge of the plank to get the spacing (I tried just sitting a piece on the deck beams but it didnโ€™t work), then pre-drill and pinning the planks in position before removing and weathering, then the final assembly.

    Remember I am looking for an irregular finish due to Teds comment that after the tar was poured into the nail holes and seams it would be left as was in a rough state.

    Some days when I see the messey caulking I am not happy other days I think it is working. At the moment I am going to press on with this method as I think I need more planks laid before the effect is more apparent, at least I can remove excess glue mix to get more even results and if I really donโ€™t like it I can sand it back.

    Next time, a slight deviation.

    Thanks for looking in and reading my ramblings or just looking at the photoโ€™s and stay safe.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.ย 
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    1 month ago by ChrisG ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hello Stephen
    The inserts available from the firm I found online were many and varied, the ones I bought were made of wood. Lots available at :-
    www.woodveneer4u.co.uk
    happy hunting maybe helpful to you in the future.
    Regards ChrisG
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    1 month ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Chris,

    I am happy you enjoy my ramblings.

    I agree a pleasure yacht should have a well finished surface while a working boat can be a bit rough.

    What sort of material were your inserts made of?

    The wheelhouse is probably a way off there is a fair bit to do before I get to that.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    1 month ago by ChrisG ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Hello Stephen
    Well if that is you rambling then please continue I am finding it very interesting.
    I think the decking and more particularly the caulking to some degree are dictated by the type of craft, caulking on a fishing or working boat you would expect to have a different finish to that required on a smart motor yacht. The model I have just finished had a pale wooden insert between the planks, I used .5mm thick X 2mm deep inserts purchased online and just glued as I planked the deck. I also bought, same supplier, some 1mm X 2mm inserts which were black edged for areas I wished to highlight.
    Although this method would not suit your build it might help another modeller.
    Look forward to seeing the wheelhouse and the rest of the model.
    Regards ChrisG
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    1 month ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Gary,

    Thanks again, there is still a fair way to go yet. After the deck it's back to the bulwarks, then some painting and into the water, at least that's the plan at the moment, as always subject to change.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    1 month ago by GaryLC ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Stephen, and good to hear you have found a suitable applicator that works and you are making progress. I shall await the next episode with bated breath, and for the record, the reward comes at the end when the planking is complete, and you move on to pastures new as in the superstructure and wheelhouse. You are making a really great job of building your LT 100,(The last of the Wooden Drifters,) I very much admire your skill and determination to keep it as true as possible to the Oracle, as written by Ted Frost. Regards.
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    1 month ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Mike,

    At this point I couldn't recommend this method as it does take a lot of effort for little reward so far.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    1 month ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Gary,

    Thanks for you ideas.
    You are spot on, after using a small spatula to apply the mix, I did think of getting some sort of dispenser and wound up with a BBQ marinade injector, that I have suitably modified and works like a treat, it will be in the next planking update.
    As for the masking tape I have thought about that but so far I am happy to stick to the way I have been doing it.
    Partly the trick so far is to let the mix dry enough to not spread any more and trim with a knife before fully setting.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    1 month ago by mturpin013 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Great work Steve,
    I'm not sure I would attempt this but I'm pleased you are so we can all see the results and maybe give us the confidence to have a go
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    1 month ago by GaryLC ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Stephen, and great to see some progress on the planking front, although I do appreciate it is still in the experimental stage. I was thinking that (which I know can be dangerous at my age,) if you could apply the filler via a large plastic syringe, with masking tape almost to the edge of the planks, and run a bead of filler then level it to a degree with a small plastic scraper, and remove the tape when still wet. This hopefully will make a reasonable job of it that won't require much finishing for perfect realistic caulking, in theory anyway. I was thinking of the silicon and mastic in the cartridges, and maybe use a nozzle from a cartridge on your syringe. So there you go just an idea I had after reading your blog, and keep up the present progress as it is coming along nicely. Regards,Gary.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Making a Start, Deck Planking.
    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    I have found out over the last week or so that there are numerous ways to plank a deck.

    I have seen all manor of variations in photos of the real thing and on models. I have come to the conclusion that like many things in life there are different ways of doing things and the way Ted describes in his book is different from anything I can find in photos.

    After a lot of headaches and trying a couple of different deck plank arraignments, I have decided to go with deck planks that run parallel to the Deck house coaming coming into a gentle curve Forward and Aft.

    I will attempt to do something similar to the method that Ted describes in his book photos of the sketches included, page 76-77 for those with the book Tree to Sea.

    I still donโ€™t know how I am going to do the forecastle so I thought I would make a start around midships and focus on getting planks parallel to the wheelhouse coaming.

    Nothing is pinned or glued yet, just getting some experience in cutting and an idea of how things might look.

    More to comeโ€ฆ

    Thanks for looking in and reading my ramblings or just looking at the photoโ€™s and stay safe.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.ย 
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    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Mike,

    I did test samples of the glue mix a couple of years ago and they are still flexible, I haven't seen any real change over that time, so to answer your question I don't know but so far so good. My method has nothing to do with the book, it's an original idea as far as I know.

    The book Tree to Sea was written by Ted Frost who was an apprentice shipwright when LT100 was being built and worked on her.
    As for recommending the book if you are interested in how they built this sort of vessel or have an intention of building a model of LT100 then, Yes. The book is full of little, full size wooden boat building bits of information along with Teds lovely sketches.

    Yes there is a chance of there being a leak if I have made a mistake, but hopefully it will be alright. Planks are to scale, which is one of those details the book provides, 5mm x 2.5mm from memory. Which is on the real thing 5" x 2 1/2".

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    "a glue + black artists acrylic + a filler all mixed together to simulate the caulking, this mix glues the planks together while filling gaps, and it remains slightly flexible even after a couple of years,"

    I cant wait to see what this glue is that your intending to use. you say it stays flexible for a couple of years what happens after that ? I assume this what the author of " Tree to Sea" says.
    Is this book you would recommend?
    Is there a chance of it leaking without a subdeck, and finally what are the plank sizes width x thickness?
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    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks JB,

    I also like the slight curve, I have to admit that this post is lagging behind a little and I have already started laying the deck.

    I do like your idea though, using balsa would be fairly quick.

    The main headache was more to do with the shape of planks and how to achieve the desired result.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    2 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Steve, I think the slight curve you mentioned will look the part. What about doing a test run on one side with balsa first, tacking planks together between frames and just weighting them down. You could see if you liked it before you commit to cutting final planks.

    JB
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    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Hillro,

    You are quite right most sane people fit a ply sub deck. I am doing things a bit differently which all being well will be alright.
    I am using a glue + black artists acrylic + a filler all mixed together to simulate the caulking, this mix glues the planks together while filling gaps, and it remains slightly flexible even after a couple of years, more details in the next post.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    2 months ago by Hillro ( Sub-Lieutenant)
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    Thanks for your post very interesting.
    I was surprised that you have not fitted a plywood sub deck. This helps to keep the boat watertight and allows for inaccuracies in the planking.
    As you said in your post there are loads of ways to plank a boat.
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    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Hammer,

    And KISS is even better, I have a knack of making things harder than needed. ๐Ÿ˜

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    2 months ago by hammer ( Lieutenant)
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    K I S is always best.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Bilge & Circulating Pump Outflow.
    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Whilst racking my head as to how best to proceed with the deck planking, I started thinking about the Bilge and Circulating Pump outflow, something I have been thinking about on and off for a while.

    In Ted's book he describes approximately where these are located on page 125, and highlighted in the photo.

    With sketches on the preceding page.

    I think I have worked out where the location is roughly, see photo of model and photo of sketch.

    Although I am reluctant to cut the Binn iron just yet, if anyone has any thoughts on weather this is probably the right spot I would like to hear them.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks for the suggestions and comments they are much appreciated.
    At this point I think I will bite the bullet and remove a short section of Iron to install the outlets.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Hammer,

    I won't be attempting to drill the metal strake.
    I think I'll need to remove a short section of the Iron to fit the outlets.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Cenbeth,
    In Teds text he says they were mounted in the Top stringer just under the shelf, the shelf is what the deck beams sit on as far as I know and one of the sketches confirms this.
    Only the center Iron would need a short section removed.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    Hi Mike,
    The problem with between Irons is they would be spanning 2 planks as each Iron is attached to the 3 top strakes. Teds sketch shows them sitting in the middle of a strake.

    Cheers Stephen.
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    Hi Steve, would it be so wrong for them to in-between the irons?
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    2 months ago by cenbeth ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    I would have thught that they would be lower so as not necessitate cutting the irons. But hey, what do I know!
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    2 months ago by hammer ( Lieutenant)
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    I would turn up outlets not drill the metal stake. The out let is best just below cockpit floor. Just my thoughts ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    ๐Ÿ“ Get the Glue Out + Look at Deck Planking.
    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    You would think I would be getting faster at making covering boards, well no such luck. After remaking the 2 covering boards it was time to remove all the stanchions again then start gluing down all the covering boards. I have also glued in place the main fish hatch and aft skylight.

    Next up is to start planking the deck, I would have thought this would be a fairly straight forward thing however that doesnโ€™t seem to be the case. My initial thoughts were to start from the center and work my way out, straight forward I think then reading Tedโ€™s book he says that the deck was laid out with leaders or long planks as pictured in Tedโ€™s sketch and described in the green highlighted text.

    I have setup a couple of long planks to get an idea of how things are going to look.

    The Starboard side I have pushed out so they fairly closely follow the covering board inner curve, on the Port side I have bought the ends in slightly although they appear to be straight they aren't.

    I am not sure which way to go at present, I like the way the Starboard side looks but then, is it too pronounced a curve, is something closer to the Port side more like it?

    Any constructive criticism would be welcomed.

    More to comeโ€ฆ

    Thanks for looking in and reading my ramblings or just looking at the photoโ€™s and stay safe.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.ย 
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    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Hammer,
    Not sure where you got that quote, but I think it took quite a bit longer to plank the deck than one day.
    In the opening sentence for Deck Laying on page 75, Ted says that as many people as possible would be concentrated in order to get it done quickly. Going on to say that it took two or two and a half days to complete.

    I am sure it will take me considerably longer than a couple of days once I start. ๐Ÿ˜

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    2 months ago by hammer ( Lieutenant)
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    Your in charge. I will say one days work for man & a boy. Lay the deck of a Brixham trawler. When men were menโšก
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    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Hammer,
    Which ever way it is done I don't think I can avoid a tapered plank.
    I intend to stagger my butt ends as well. I am trying to stick as close to described as I can, see how that goes.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    The way I read it they use the line of the engine hatch sides. In your case the hold edges would be used. This would ensure the line of planks would be straight. Bending the line would require a tapered plank down the centre. I always lay the central plank first, cutting out openings after fixing. I also use random length boards. Do not want a zigzag pattern with the butt ends. Just my way.
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    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    I was happy with the progress until I re-discovered a problem I had forgotten about. The problem being some Stanchions donโ€™t line up with the Thwartship Boards something that at the time I thought would be alright, well several months later looking at it again I didnโ€™t think it was alright.

    What to do, 3 choices came to mind, redo all of the stanchions, leave it the way it is or move the appropriate stanchions. The perfectionist in me thought the only way forward was to redo all of the stanchions which in turn would mean redoing all of the covering boards, not so happy about that idea....

    After a couple of days to contemplate, I decided I would do a mock up, moving the appropriate stanchions without pinning and just see how it looked. To my surprise it didnโ€™t look as bad as expected and after a couple of days in their new position I thought it was acceptable, I decided to try modifying the affected covering boards and see how they looked. I think that once a little bit of weathering is done it should be very hard to tell where changes were made.

    Once I was reasonably happy I proceeded to start work on the Pin Rail and Knightheads steam bending some material roughly to shape. I ended up making a couple of these because there are quite large differences in the plans for the Pin Rails, one plan shows one length while another shows a different length, while one plan was basically the same as Ted Frosts book I decided to go with that.

    The Pin Rails needed brackets or Irons to be made these I made from Brass cutting strips then using my Hold โ€œNโ€ Fold to fold the Brass.
    Then marking and drilling the holes then trimming to length.

    Fitting onto the model required holding in place and drilling holes for the Brass pins to go into.

    Once again after a bit of time has passed, I have decided to re-make the forward pair of the covering boards, the main reason being where the added part lies is right where a freeing port grate is and would be quite visible.

    More to come...

    Thatโ€™s enough waffle for now, thanks for looking in and reading my ramblings or just looking at the photoโ€™s and stay safe.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.ย 
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    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks JB,

    The tool is a Hold and Fold 5" from an American company called Small Tools. They are more intended for photo etch. I haven't used much PE but I was and still am thinking of trying to make my own one day and from my limited experience with PE I liked the look of this tool, it's not cheap however.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnbhmINTz6U

    Cheers;
    Stephen.
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    Tricky bit of work, but nicely done as usual Steve. Interesting tool you've used for bending, - any info?

    JB
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    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Rick,

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Ron,

    Hopefully she will also be nice to operate as well.

    A discussion has already been had between myself and my daughter around what to do with the model once I have departed, she assures me she will find room for the model.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks for your glowing report Andy,

    You are doing some very nice work yourself.

    You are not the only one looking forward to seeing her on the water, who knows it might even happen this year, all being well.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    2 months ago by AndyB ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Iโ€™ve only just picked up on your blog and itโ€™s very, very impressive

    Many thanks for sharing your progress, itโ€™s great to see a build of such quality and variety of skills. Look forward to seeing it on the water.
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    2 months ago by Ron ( Rear Admiral)
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    Great problem solving skills. You have wonderful modelling skills; this will be a beautiful ship to display. An heirloom for your family!

    Ronโ€™s
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    2 months ago by Newby7 ( Admiral)
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    Wonderful work Stephen. Rick
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    ๐Ÿ“ Back to the Bulwarks.
    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Back to working on the Drifter after a bit of a clean up and finishing off making a Rope Making and Serving Machine.

    One of the reasons I stopped working on this project is because I had reached a point where I couldnโ€™t work out a way forward, the problem being fixing the position of Stanchions in relation to cut outs in the covering boards, my initial idea was to make the capping rail and temporarily pin it in place this presented problems, mainly with how long it would take, so I came to a halt.

    Fast forward a couple of months and after reading Tree to Sea for a while a way forward presented itself, that didnโ€™t involve making the capping rail first. One thing that helped me was a drawing on pageโ€™s 97 & 107 that clearly showed the โ€œfillingโ€.

    The idea was to make filling boards that are much longer than in real practice. The real ones โ€œfillingโ€ a space between stanchions under the capping rail, my ones being long lengths that help to fix a position for the stanchions.

    The first job to be done was to run a fairing batten to the correct heights and marking the stanchions then cut them to height.
    A rebate needed to be cut on each stanchion to allow the long filling strips to sit in the wright spot then be pinned in position.

    Next I made up a former to steam the strips into something resembling the right shape, this former will be handy when I come to plank the bulwarks.

    Once this was done I could sight along the rail for irregularity's a few stanchions needed some attention though in general I was quite pleased.

    More to come...

    Thanks for looking in and reading my ramblings or just looking at the photoโ€™s and stay safe.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to the Bulwarks.
    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks for your glowing report Gary,
    I won't be doing the stern yet, after I have finished the Pin Rails, Bitts and other boards that are on the inside of the Bulwarks and trimmed the covering boards I will remove all of the stanchions and start planking the deck.
    You are quite right, I was having a look at the wash port gratings the other day and thinking that will be interesting.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to the Bulwarks.
    3 months ago by GaryLC ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Stephen, it is good to see you back in harness and making progress once again, one does need a little time off every now and again to get your head clear and sorted. The stanchions and capping rail look incredibly realistic as does the wooden hull, TF would be proud of you a disciple of the Oracle. Your current progress will help to sort out your counter stern and hopefully provide a template to work to. Page 107 shows the wash port gratings in detail, and just the thing for a man that enjoys a challenge like yourself. Mind overall the hull is looking really great and more realistic, intricate, and complex as your build progresses, keep up the good work. Regards, Gary.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to the Bulwarks.
    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Mike,
    It was good to get back to working on her after a refreshing break and finding a way that hadn't been seen earlier.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to the Bulwarks.
    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks JB,
    "G" scale railway is about right, I have thought about a horse drawn cart on a pier...

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to the Bulwarks.
    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Rick,
    It's funny I envy the speed at which other people build their models while I plod along doing things the way I want to do them.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to the Bulwarks.
    3 months ago by mturpin013 ( Vice Admiral)
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    I'm glad to see its back on the bench, Its sometimes good to stand back and take a good look at the status of the build.
    Great work Steve
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to the Bulwarks.
    3 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    More great woodwork Steve, I think with the right backdrop, this could look like the real thing being constructed, (perhaps a slipway using model train rails and launching dolly for a pic or 2)?
    Looks so real !
    JB
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Back to the Bulwarks.
    3 months ago by Newby7 ( Admiral)
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    Hi Stephen I envy your work with pictures and pro's to show us your build .
    Well done.
    Rick
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