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    Scratch built, Working Steam powered Drifter trawler LT100, to 1:24th scale.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Deck Doubling + Coal Bunker.
    5 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    A few weeks ago I made up some material for the deck doubling, this is from Huon pine the width being exactly to scale with the thickness a little thicker than scale, this was following Ted Frosts description which says 7โ€x 1โ€ boards were used.

    After machining to size I โ€œweatheredโ€ the planking individually in the same way I did the deck planks in an attempt to have a more random effect.

    I decided to glue the Deck doubling together before gluing them to the deck, I did this so I could cut the holes for the Coal Bunker Rings later as there was a bit of fitting to do along with a recess in the deck planks to take the thickness of my Coal Bunker Rings, basically I wasnโ€™t confidant I could do it all in one hit. To make sure I was gluing the doublers in the right spot I put some Tamiya tape on the deck and marked it then marked out the positions of things on a piece of waxed baking paper and then glued the doublers together on the waxed paper.

    After the glue mix had set a bit I trimmed of the excess the same way I did the deck.

    Then before completely drying I clamped them to conform to the deck shape and left it overnight.

    Next day I was pretty happy with how they looked and proceeded to tape the doublers down and start cutting a circle with my new circle cutter, with a modified cutting blade (area that I removed marked in Blue), this all went pretty smoothly taking my time to cut the holes.
    I set up a small Carbide burr in the Proxxon rotary tool held in the router jig and preceded to machine a recess in the deck to allow my Bunker Rings to sit flush with the Deck Doublers.

    Next step was to Chemically blacken the Coal Bunker Rings and Lids, I followed the instructions I had found and after de-canting a small amount into a cup then applied the chemical directly with a brush. This proved to be a slow process with extensive cleaning and repeated applications to achieve the desired colour. Once I had the colour I cleaned the chemical off with water and without disturbing the surface left it to dry in the sun once completely dry I sprayed some clear lacquer that is formulated for Brass and Copper to seal it up.

    One thing that was bothering me even although I had pushed ahead was that the doublers looked too big when sitting on the deck, eventually this got to me and I measured what the plan says and compared it to what I had made. There was a 2 mm difference in width at this point I decided it was best to go inside as I was feeling a bit unhappy with myself for not paying more attention to the plans instead of rigidly sticking to Tedโ€™s description.

    Seeing I only needed to remove 2 mm I decided to divide it by 4 and remove .5 mm from 4 planks and set about removing the outer planks which came away without damage this enabled me to trim down the 4 faces. Thankfully this made all the difference.

    On the 2 removable Coal Bunker Lids I have added a small eyelet to attach a lanyard too, I did this because I could see myself easily loosing them at the pond.

    On the Coal Bunker Rings and cap head screw I have engraved a line and painted it so I can easily tell if the removable deck section is locked in place.

    Thanks for the having a look, more to come.

    Again I welcome constructive comments.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Deck Doubling + Coal Bunker.
    4 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Trev,
    I am glad you enjoy my ramblings.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    4 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks JB,
    There was a fair bit of room for me to go over the edges with the burr so not so stressful.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    4 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Chris,
    It would be nice to say I think of everything but that's not the case and I certainly get things wrong, these days I think they call that a "learning" experience.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Deck Doubling + Coal Bunker.
    5 days ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Great narration and description, Stephen๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
    Thanks for taking the time to share.
    Trev
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Deck Doubling + Coal Bunker.
    5 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Looks great Steve, very precise work. like the circle cutter. Working on the deck like that with the burr, - must have been a tense moment,- wouldn't want to slip!

    JB
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    5 days ago by ChrisG ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    As I have come to expect from Stephen, beautiful workmanship with some brilliant touches and such detailed accuracy.
    I just wish I could think this far ahead when making my models, when they are finished I always think that if I had done this and that in a different order it would have been a far better model. I hope that I am not in the minority with those thoughts.
    Look forward to more Stephen.
    Regards ChrisG
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    ๐Ÿ“ Fish Hatches and Lids.
    15 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    The Fish Hatches and Lids have progressed fairly quickly I am happy to say. Construction is basically the same as the Coal Bunker Rings and Lids.

    When I was looking at how deep to make the Fish Hatches and Lids I turned to Ted Frosts book Tree to Sea once again.

    Now I am more a visual sort of guy, a simple drawing would have been much easier for me. Anyway my interpretation of Teds description on page 131, is that overall the grating and bearer height is 2 inches with the Bearers being 1 ยผโ€ and the Splines being ยพโ€ as I have written on the post-it note.

    If I am wrong with my interpretation please let me know. I have done a rough sketch of what I think is being described.

    I ended up making the Fish Hatches and Lids about 2.4mm deep which is a little deeper than needed but it should be alright. Note that .041โ€ is 1โ€ at 1/24th scale which is around 1mm or .039โ€.

    I made the handles from .8mm Brass rod that was annealed then squashed in the machine vice until it was around .5mm between flats. I have found this is a lot easier and safer than trying to make fine strips on the saw.

    After cutting the handles to length they were soft soldered in then cleaned up with some wet and dry sandpaper.

    The wooden blocks that the Fish Hatches and Lids sit in were drilled then cut to size.
    Before I started making the Fish Hatches and Lids I found a drill that would be suitable for drilling out the Huon Pine without destroying it, this drill determined the outside diameter of the Fish Hatches.

    I made the wooden blocks a little bit bigger than the plans indicate mainly because I didnโ€™t want a very thin section that may snap on assembly also I think it looks a bit more like the ones on Lydia Eva as shown in the previous post.

    Thanks for the having a look.
    Again I welcome constructive opinions.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Coal Bunker Lids continued again.
    19 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Whilst I havenโ€™t had a lot of time lately to do much work on the Drifter I have been chipping away at it when I can.

    Next step for the Bunker Lids was to open up the hand recesses a bit, although in hindsight I donโ€™t think I improved them at all.

    Then came soft soldering the handles on. Firstly I cleaned then carefully applying a small amount of flux to the areas to be soldered, assembled the parts and placed very small pieces of solder, applied some heat until the solder ran.

    There was a bit of solder that needed to be cleaned out of the grooves after that was done the lids were cleaned up with wet and dry sandpaper until flat.
    I made up a tool to remove the lids from some Stainless Steel MiG welder wire, beaten flat on each end then bent to shape.

    Another job was to open up the holes in the deck, to ensure the hole was centered around the screw top I made up a simple jig and scribed around it. A small carbide burr proved to be the best tool for the job.

    Next job is to make some Fish Hatches and Lids, I have done a simple sketch to help with building them. I might increase the hand recess up to 5mm.

    Looking for photos of Fish Hatches and Lids on the without much success. Until I found an old video of the Lydia Eva luckily near the end of the video is a brief glance of the Fish Hatch and Lid that I took a photo of, sorry about the poor photo quality. Itโ€™s not very clear but shows there is only one handle in the center, which was to be expected considering the Lid is only 10โ€ in diameter according to the plan.

    Again I welcome constructive opinions.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Coal Bunker Lids continued again.
    16 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Mike,

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    17 days ago by mturpin013 ( Vice Admiral)
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    Great solution and looks good/authentic
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    17 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Trev,

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Coal Bunker Lids continued again.
    18 days ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Your attention to detail is exceptional, Stephen.
    It is a pleasure to watch. and educational as well.
    Trev
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    18 days ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks JB,

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    19 days ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Looks really good Steve๐Ÿ‘
    JB
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    ๐Ÿ“ Chemically Blackening Brass & Bunker Lids.
    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    I have had another try at chemically blackening brass. I had tried this a very long time ago without much success. I dug out a bottle of Krick Blackening agent and after reading some information online I thought maybe I hadnโ€™t cleaned the Brass properly.

    After cleaning a small sample piece as instructed and immersing it into a mixture of at a ratio of 1 part Krick Blackening agent to 1 part distilled water, after reading that other brands of Blackening agent worked within 15 or so minutes, well this certainly didnโ€™t 12 hours later and things were happening 24 hours later and there was a good blackness to the strip of brass.

    I then reduced the amount of water I added and added some soft solder to see if that would blacken as well, as expected the soft solder didnโ€™t blacken at all.
    This is a problem for me as I like to solder parts together when needed, this led to a search for something that would blacken a range of metals.

    The product I ended up choosing is JAX Pewter Black, after looking for some online I found some at a Jeweler's supply shop that is located in Melbourne, so off to the big smoke for a day out with my wife and daughter, this turned out to be a bit on the expensive side, after having Yum Cha for lunch not that I am really complaining as it had been several years since the 3 of us had been for lunch in the city.

    The JAX Pewter Black is a completely different beast, as it does seem to Blacken the Brass within 15 minutes to a deep black, havenโ€™t tried it with soft solder yet, that will be next.

    Back to the Bunker Lids and with photographic evidence that there was a ring pattern on the Lids, I had another try at some rings. On my first try I had the spacing too close winding up looking too busy.
    I found that I could put 6 rings into the Lids without it looking too busy.
    After I had done a couple of rings I altered the depth as I felt there wasnโ€™t enough depth.

    I would like to add that I am very grateful for all the input that people have made with regard to the Coal Lids and even though I did intend to seek more input I decided to just get on with the job, so that is what I did.

    Again I welcome constructive opinions.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Chemically Blackening Brass & Bunker Lids.
    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks JB,
    From Ted's description they were more like a bayonet for securing and grease was used to aid sealing.
    They are not quite finished yet, they need the handles soldered on.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    2 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Steve, the rings look fine, and the black will really enhance them. I like the offset handles. How did the originals close, ramped bayonet fittings or screw ? Obviously would have had seals.

    JB
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Chemically Blackening Brass & Bunker Lids.
    2 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Trev,
    True I did prefer the cross hatch but when there is photographic evidence I ran with that.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Chemically Blackening Brass & Bunker Lids.
    2 months ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Tough choice between the rings and cross hatch, Stephen
    Trev
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    ๐Ÿ“ Coal Bunker Lids plus.
    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    I put some paint on the experimental lids to see how they looked and pressed my 1/24th scale person into service to highlight the sizes of things.

    I also made up a disk with a locating pin to enable easy centering of the bunker ring hole around the cap head screw and scribed into the deck.

    Again I welcome opinions on which surface to go with on the Lids.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Coal Bunker Lids plus.
    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks for your input Doug,
    They will be looking a bit worn that's for sure.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Deffo the cross hatch Steve ๐Ÿ‘
    Now a spot of weathering, to show where your inspector's and the crew's clodhoppers have worn them?
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks for the input JB,

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    I think the cross hatch is the better looking choice as well Steve, stands out nicely.๐Ÿ‘

    JB
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Coal Bunker Lids plus.
    3 months ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Stephen,
    The Cross Hatch is truly a work of Art๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
    A Little Gem!
    Trev

















    Trev
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks for your input Trev and Mike,

    It is settled the cross hatch will be going on the Lids.
    I will try a finer pitch as Graham suggested.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Coal Bunker Lids plus.
    3 months ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Number 1, Stephen, would be my choice.
    Trev
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Coal Bunker Lids plus.
    3 months ago by mturpin013 ( Vice Admiral)
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    I would go for pic 1\2 or 3/4 I think pic 5 looses its definition whereas the others are clear at a distance
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    ๐Ÿ“ Coal Bunker Lids Continued.
    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    I got some hobby time today and had a go at two different stiles of lid one having circular grooves cut into it the other having a cross hatch pattern cut in using an engraving tool.

    At present I donโ€™t mind the look of the cross hatch or the textured finish.
    In reality they are only about 22 mm in diameter.

    Again I welcome opinions on which surface to go with on the Lids.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks for your input Rick,

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks for your input Trev,

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks for your input Graham,
    In the sample lid the spacing is a scale 3" apart, I might reduce that to 2", I didn't want too many lines as I thought it would look a bit busy.
    I hear what you are saying about the squares although I don't mind the diamond pattern, to me it looks "grippy".

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks for your input Colin,
    Looks like the cross hatch is the most popular.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by Newby7 ( Admiral)
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    Cross hatch for me as well Stephen.
    Rick
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    3 months ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    I do like the cross hatch, Stephen๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
    Trev
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Coal Bunker Lids Continued.
    3 months ago by Graham93 ( Rear Admiral)
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    I vote for the cross hatch as well but I do wonder if it would look even better with a square pattern rather than diamond, and possibly smaller squares?

    Graham93
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    3 months ago by Colin H ( Admiral)
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    Definitely cross hatch, looks really authentic.
    Cheers Colin.
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks for your input Gary,
    So far the consensus is for the cross hatch. ๐Ÿ‘

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by GaryLC ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Stephen, the cross-hatch pattern is definitely the way to go and it looks spot on. Regards.
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks for your input hammer,
    I tend to agree the cross hatch looks alright.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by hammer ( Lieutenant)
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    Cross hatching definitely
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    ๐Ÿ“ Coal Bunker Rings & Lids.
    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Now that the deck is basically done it is time to look at the Coal Bunker Rings & Lids.

    I am making the Rings & Lids from brass, 2 of them will be removable to gain access to the Cap Head screws that actuate the deck locking mechanism.

    I have included a photo of the Coal Bunker Rings & Lids as drawn on the drawing and in the book on page 112 of Tree to Sea these donโ€™t give any indication of some sort of pattern on the lids to provide an anti slip surface.

    Before going much further I wanted to work out machining the hand recesses in the lids and machining the recess for a handle.

    โ€œOโ€ rings have been fitted to create a water tight seal. As a side note personal experience with making components with โ€œOโ€ rings in them has taught me that you donโ€™t need a lot of โ€œsquashโ€ on the โ€œOโ€ ring for it to seal, in fact too much squash will only cause problems with โ€œpinchingโ€ the โ€œOโ€ ring and damaging it, in this application there is less than .1 mm or .004 inch of squash on a 12.5mm diameter.

    There is not a lot of information that I could find about these parts, I found a lot of photos of land based cast iron covers with a staggering array of different patterns on the lid face.

    In a bit of a thought bubble I thought the surface may have been left purposefully rough, not hard to do with a casting so I did an experiment at creating a non slip surface.
    Using some beads that you mix with paint to create a non slip painted surface, I brushed some Titebond onto the brass and dipped it into the beads, next day I painted half of it black to get a better idea of how it would look.

    Or may have had something like a friend of mines Danny Boys covers, when I get time I will have a go at milling some grooves into my trial piece.

    I realize OH&S was not exactly a thing back in 1919, but having a very slippery surface in the middle of the deck I tend to think would not have been done, so some sort of non slip surface would have been present I think.

    With things returning to a more normal state, my hobby time has reduced significantly back to the few hours a week at most, therefore progress will return to a snails pace.

    I welcome opinions/suggestions on which surface to go with on the Lids.

    Thanks for looking in and reading my ramblings or just looking at the photoโ€™s and stay safe.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Trev,
    Not quite, I intend to make one with rings and another with cross-hatch and see how they look, when I get some time.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    Hi Stephen,
    Cross Hatching within a circle? Easy for me to say,
    Much Harder to do.๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚. I do wish i had your machines! And your Skills!!
    Trev
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Trev,
    I might still try the other ideas and see how it goes, otherwise I agree the rough cast isn't too bad.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    Hi Stephen,
    I think the rough Cast Look Works.
    Trev
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Gary,
    Yes back to reality once more, you are right it was mostly good while it lasted.
    Yes the last photo should be familiar.
    The plastic checker plate is a good idea except personally I don't like gluing dissimilar materials if I can avoid it due to the different expansion rates of the materials.
    When I next get some workshop time I might experiment with a cross-hatched pattern, using an engraving tool with the job back in the rotary table.
    I may also as you suggest cut a series of rings, doing the job in the rotary table, maybe with a 1/16" milling cutter.

    Mind you I think the experimental textured "non-slip" surface doesn't look too bad, also seeing that Ted says the covers were cast in the boat yards own foundry, add to that no real reference to go by, some artistic license is not out of the question.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by GaryLC ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Stephen, and always good to see a little progress on the Drifter front. Sorry to hear that you have had to come out of semi-retirement, mind I dare say it was good while it lasted, and a taste of things to come. Great photos as always especially the last one which looks familiar, and a really neat bit of machining especially on the lid covers which look spot on. With regard to a non-slip surface, a simple solution would be to use 0.5 mm plastic checker-plate which can be easily cut with a sharp blade. A lot less complicated than using a knurling wheel, or another suggestion would be, what about using a thread cutting tool, to make a spiral cut from the edge to the center, or cut a series of rings using the same tool. Whatever you decide to go with, I am sure the result will be absolutely spot on and perfect, as is everything else on this work of art you are building. Stay safe, regards.
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    That's ok Roy hijack away, hopefully that has helped.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Doug,

    There are some interesting models on that site, thanks for the link.
    It's really Roy that is looking for some figures.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by roycv ( Midshipman)
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    Thanks for the comments did not mean to hi-jack our excellent build.
    Roy
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    3 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    There's still a number of 1/24 figure kits around Steve, including a rather sexy Police Woman.๐Ÿ˜ฎ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    https://www.spotmodel.com/index.php?cPath=184_415&page=2
    Be worth a ticket to meet the full size original!
    Happy hunting.
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    https://www.spotmodel.com/index.php?cPath=184_415&page=2
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Roy,
    I don't know of too many 1/24th plastic kits Tamiya had a range of figures for there 1/24th cars, not sure if they are easily available.

    There are manufacturers in your neck of the woods like Macs moldings, Deans Marine who offer 1/24th figures.

    I have bought figures from Bangood and will try altering the pose of them to suit what I am looking for.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    Thanks Trev,

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    Hi I think I may have the garage guy. He is recruited as chief engineer on my Lilla Dan and can be seen fixing the anchor winch.
    I am after the figures who come in arms and legs ready to choose what stances you want.
    I attach a photo of my fisherman which only had legs already set as kneeling in one case.
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    3 months ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Beautiful little Gems, Stephen ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
    Trev
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Chris,
    The Lids are made of brass more to last than for looks.
    Not sure where you would find 1/10th scale figures. I ended up using some action figures Scooby Doo and Shaggy with my roughly 1/12th scale cabin cruiser, which seemed to look alright, no photos saved sorry.
    Dolls house is 1/12th which is fairly close to 1/10th. There is always 3D printed as a last resort.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by ChrisG ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    As usual with your work Stephen a pleasure to see, such detail.
    It seems a shame to paint the lids as they look great but a smooth surface on deck fittings is a real no no.
    I am also looking for some figures around 1/10 scale but am struggling, my slipper launch is still short of a crew, any ideas chaps.
    Keep going with the build blog and pictures I am looking to seeing more, thanks ChrisG
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    Hi Roy,
    Scale is 1/24th.
    I think I got the figures at a swap & sell meet, more by chance.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    Hi nice detail. Where did you get the plastic figures in picture 6? What scale are they?

    I have run out of my ones but they came as a sprew i.e. no box and I never knew the manufacturer.
    Would appreciate knowing as I like the way they assemble.
    Regards
    Roy
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    4 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Decisions were made, for better or worse on the center planks forward and aft, now that it is done I wonder why I was so worried about how it was going to look with my interpretation of Teds description.

    Making the forward and aft center planks was a very time consuming job.

    Starting with some old school tracing paper to make a template. The paper was taped down to make sure it was flat then I used a sharp scalpel to cut the outline and wind up with a shape that is pretty close to being right.

    Once cut out the template was stuck down on the board using a glue stick, then traced around with a pencil this ensured the plank would be bigger than needed (easier to remove material than put it on) then roughly cut out with a scroll saw.

    Next came the slow part of carefully trimming down to fit inside the required space without gaps, then removing the required amount for caulking would be easier or at least thatโ€™s what I thought, didnโ€™t quite work out that way on the first one, as I removed too much material, winding up with too much clearance I had a look at trying to save the plank by moving it forward to close the gap but in the end there was nothing I could do except make another one. Apart from the wasted time the most upsetting part was the waste of material.

    Once the fore and aft center planks were done I pinned them in place temporally before removing them to enable gluing in place, when gluing I only caulked on one side to ovoid getting my glue and paint mix everywhere.

    Once glued and half caulked I pushed glue mix into the remaining gap.

    Each of the other center planks needed to be custom made either slightly wider or with a slight taper, these were quite quick to make and install.

    Unfortunately gluing the aft cabin skylight in place before planking turned out to be a bad idea, I managed to damage the paint work several times with the drill chuck, you would have thought I would have learnt my lesson the first time, when the drill chuck hit the paint.

    There is some cleaning up to do and I have been reducing the severity of some of the weathering to give a more unified look, this is more because when looking at the model I couldnโ€™t help but think I had gone a bit far and it just looked poorly made.

    Next time I start on Coal hatches.

    Thanks for looking in and reading my ramblings or just looking at the photoโ€™s and stay safe.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Thank's Stephen.
    Every thing will sort it's self out one way or another LOL!!

    Martin555.
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    3 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Martin,

    I am sorry to hear you are still not firing on all cylinders and I hope things will improve for you.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    3 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Thank's Stephen,
    I must admit i am going through a little bad spell at the moment.
    Hopefully things will get back to some sort of normal soon.
    Great work keep it coming.

    Martin555.
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    4 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Martin,

    Great to see you back on deck. ๐Ÿ‘
    I would say you are a very skilled model maker and able to produce quite amazing work.
    I hope your health issues are resolved. I am sorry for the loss in your family.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    4 months ago by Martin555 ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Steve,
    Fantastic work, that deck looks very realistic.
    I know i should not expect anything different as your skill level is way above mine.
    I will have to look back on this build as i have missed quite a bit as i have not been on the site for some time due to various health problems and a recent family bereavement but i will catchup.
    Keep the great work coming.

    Martin555.
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    4 months ago by hammer ( Lieutenant)
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    Well I am happy to have convinced you the ends should be jogged into the cover board. Teds method has to reduce the width of the plank. With a short grain nib the original width. 2 men a day is what I have been told. It is surprising what can be done with organisation. I was a carpenter & with a labourer cut & fixed 10 sets of floor joists a day. Only small houses true.
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    4 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks hammer,

    In my opinion Ted is only stating how they did things at the yard where he did his apprenticeship as a shipwright.

    I find it hard dare I say impossible to imagine that only 2 people could possibly plank the entire deck of an 88 foot long boat in one day.

    In the opening sentence for Deck Laying on page 75, Ted says that as many people as possible would be concentrated in order to get it done quickly. Going on to say that it took two or two and a half days to complete.

    Fair point about the notching into the covering board that does seem to be the way it is done these days, although that is not how Ted describes it being done where the boat was made, they seem to have had there own take on how joggling was done.

    Photos of Teds sketch's attached, I have tried to emulate this as drawn.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    4 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Gary,
    Yes it is a milestone, you are quite right the forward mast sits right across the arrow head that wasn't planned just turned out that way.
    Coal hatches are next.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    I can not fault your workmanship. How ever your mentor Ted must be more used to yacht deck planking than work boats. I think I said before a man and boy expected to lay a trawler deck in a day. They did not waste wood. The boards are notch into the cover board. See photo. Not notched into the next plank. Glad to you show any pointed ends. Sorry to be pedantic.
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    4 months ago by GaryLC ( Lieutenant)
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    Well done and congratulations, a huge milestone on the progress front and a good choice of method, which looks great and has an element of realism. The base for the front mast sits right across the arrowhead in the middle of your center plank, plus a bollard and a ventilator for good measure, so keep up the good work as it is all coming together nicely. Great stuff, and what is next on the building front? Regards, Gary.
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    4 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks JB,
    I think you are right once the deck houses are weathered as well it should all tie in. Weathering is something I am still learning to do.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    4 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Trev,
    I am pretty happy wit it as well.
    I think most of my angst came from not being able to see photos or credible drawings of the layout that I went for.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    4 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Looks spot on Steve. I think once you get the rails, all the deck fittings and wheelhouse etc on, it won't look over done. I think it's just that you have a big 'plain' surface to find faults with.

    Jb
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    4 months ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Steve, I think it looks Great. Definitely looks like it belongs.
    I know how it feels to angst about making design decisions ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    Trev
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    5 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Progress is fairly slow but steady.

    I glued some pieces of thin ply as a gluing guide for the forward hoodway.

    I have now got to the point where decisions about the center or king plank need to be made.

    In Tedโ€™s book on page 77, he says the center plank was tapered although there is no indication of this in his sketch's.

    If I made a single tapered plank it would end up looking absurd in my opinion, I made up a card template to visualize it at itโ€™s widest point the plank would be the equivalent of 2.5 feet wide.

    After a bit of a search on the internet I found some deck planking photos that indicate a method of letting planks into the king plank and I think I will go for this approach although not as stylishly.

    Here is a photo of my proposed method, letting 2 planks into each side of the tapered king plank to thin it down to an acceptable amount.

    Lastly a few progress photos.

    Constructive criticism is welcomed...

    More to comeโ€ฆ

    Thanks for looking in and reading my ramblings or just looking at the photoโ€™s and stay safe.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.ย 
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    4 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thank you Ron,

    I think dogged determination is probably the overriding thing.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    4 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Hi Roy,
    Photo 5-6 is to show the concept that I intend to follow, yes photo 6 looks great.
    Photo 7-8 shows what I propose to do which will make the tapered plank not so wide.
    I hope the center plank won't look too wrong once done.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    4 months ago by Ron ( Rear Admiral)
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    Fantastic work! Your patience is very evident here. Not many model builders are capable of doing this quality of workmanship.
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    4 months ago by roycv ( Midshipman)
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    Wow Photo 6 is really nice. May I suggest that the tapered plank be not so wide at the thick end and again not so narrow at the bow. Aesthetically a wide centre plank could look a bit OTT at the bow.
    Great that you are doing it properly though.
    regards
    Roy
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    5 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Gary,
    Not quite firing on all cylinders, but getting there.

    I had thought of a split down the center, trouble is this I think it would not be correct. According to Ted's description the center plank was wide enough for the bollard to be mounted on.

    One other idea was to have a plank along the center wide enough for the bollard but with a tapered plank either side, trouble is this also doesn't ring true to Ted's description.

    I think I am up to a bit of a "fitting" challenge, so I will stick to the original plan.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    5 months ago by GaryLC ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Stephen, and good to see you back on here and making progress, hopefully, you are fully recovered and firing on all cylinders as per the P5? On the deck planking front why make it more difficult than it needs to be, go for a more simple solution and cut a long vee section that buts together on the centerline to give a herringbone look? Remembering the fact of course that it was herring they were going for when fishing. Plus you have the front mast base, a ventilator, and a bollard all on that same centerline, so some of the join will be covered. Considering your build so far and all of the problems encountered on that journey, you will sort this to your satisfaction and not be led astray. Remembering the song"He did it his way". Regards, Gary.
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    5 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Fantastic videos JB,

    To me it looks like the deck planks are laid straight on the Lydia Eva.

    Mine have a little bit of a curve both fore and aft as described in Ted's book.

    I had found other videos of Lydia Eva before but they were quite long and didn't show the deck very well.

    I will save those videos in my little reference library.

    Love the colour of the deck in the video.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    5 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Steve, here's a few vids I found which might give an idea.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0d5lIES9pI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSHZtRjNqXA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWyjcEDSVk4 (this one gives a glimpse of the foredeck)

    Planks all look the same width right through ?

    JB
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    5 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Dave,
    You are right the planks mid ships run parallel to the center line, but then there is a slight curve fore and aft, nothing like the 2 yacht decks pictured but it is there.
    Ted does say in his book at the yard where Formidable was made they did put a slight curve fore and aft.
    The white cardboard wedge is the required taper.
    I know at first look there doesn't seem much if any taper but there is a taper there.
    I think I will let planks into the king plank.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    5 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Trev,
    I think I will do that.๐Ÿ‘

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    5 months ago by dave976 ( Lieutenant)
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    Your planking is running parallel to the centre line unlike the picture of a pleasure yacht where the planks are bent and stepped into the centre plank. To use this on your model would require re-laying all the good work already undertaken and making curved planks. I very much doubt your steam drifter had curved planks, but stand to be corrected. The centre plank is often slightly wider than the deck planking to take up any slight differences from side to side. Looking at your model a tapered plank does not seem to be required apart from some minor taper to fill the centre. Hope you find a satisfactory solution.
    dave976
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    5 months ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Hi Stephen,
    In my experience with full size sailing yachts, letting into the king Plank was common practice. Good Choice๐Ÿ‘
    Trev
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    5 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Some more Rudder pics as requested.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    5 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Stephen -
    "You gotta have a dream,
    if you don't have a dream,
    how you gonna have a dream come true"
    Happy Talk, South Pacific!๐Ÿ˜‰
    ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    5 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Doug,

    Not sure about the "keeping comfy and serving every whim" that might have been a dream I had once. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    5 months ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    "Not much planning going on, no real interest at the moment. "
    Know what you mean Stephen ๐Ÿค”
    Glad to see you seem to be on the mend๐Ÿ‘
    Trust the 'better half' is keeping you comfy and serving your every whim๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ™„
    All the best, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    5 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Gary,

    Not much planning going on, no real interest at the moment.

    Pretty sure I am over the hump but, cannot really rush these things.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    5 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Trev,

    That's the hope although this bug is dragging it's feet.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    5 months ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Hi Stephen,
    Sorry to hear. Wishing you a speedy recovery!
    Trev
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    5 months ago by GaryLC ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Stephen, and really sorry to hear that, and being laid up for a week sounds pretty damn serious. Keep the Oracle by the bedside and do a bit of future planning for when you are back on your feet. Get well soon regards, Gary.
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    5 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Gary,

    Deck planking has come to a halt, due to me being laid up with a bit of a nasty bug, I haven't been out to the workshop for 1 week.

    Just trying to recover at the moment.

    Cheers,
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    5 months ago by GaryLC ( Lieutenant)
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    Hi Stephen, and very authentic-looking, just like the real thing in miniature. How is the deck planking coming along? Regards, Gary.
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    5 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks JB.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.
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    5 months ago by jbkiwi ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Steve, that's one classy looking rudder set-up๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

    JB
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    5 months ago by pressonreguardless ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Hi Stephen,
    The Rudder looks Great๐Ÿ‘
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    5 months ago by stevedownunder ( Commander)
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    Thanks Chris,
    I agree the overall look will change a lot when paint is applied and not for the better.

    Cheers,
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    5 months ago by ChrisG ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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    Thanks for the pictures, in its own way a work of art in its own right, be a pity to cover the wood and brass work with paint.
    Great work Stephen.
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