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    Hi Rick - that looks a good solution as well as Roy's solution. Thank you for the diagram, it explains a lot more than trying to do it in words! All the very best. Cheers Duncan
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    Hi DuncanP, I was having trouble with my two masted schooner wich has two jibs. An old sailor told me to use tis system and use the winch run the two main sails (main and mizzen). I have had no troubles since.

    Hi AlessandroSPQR, I have found no difference between the two systems. It comes down to the amount of space you have.

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    ROY CV good morning
    are there more than 24 hours in a day in the U.K. ? ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€
    when i read how many boats you repair, finish and god knows what other things you do in the meantime!!!!
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    Hi Duncan, you are right if the wind is not blowing much the jib does not go across. It is a fairly light material and it usually goes over on tacking. I loosen the sail on tacking and tighten up afterwards.

    I decided that after a bit of 'introspection' that I start a model, do quite a lot of work and then hit a problem and go onto something else!

    I have done this 5 times. I have an Inshore Trader, a cargo boat, a Zwartz Zee, a Bugsier 3, an American Beauty tow boat, a very old (100 years+) pond yacht, a R36 class yacht, a 32 inch yacht all waiting my attention. That may be more than 5!

    If when I shuffle off they are still partly made they will probably be discarded. So I am trying not to leave part started model boats behind me.
    I have a Wild Duck Sarik wood kit and of course Bruma.
    The last 2 as they are unstarted still have a value.

    So I decided to finish a build from 10 years back ( another one) called Lilka, before starting Bruma. But Bruma has been in my thoughts!

    In between I have built 2 yachts, restored 5 others and for myself a few others, a ferry, a cargo boat a clockwork boat (with RC) and I may have forgotten some as well.
    Not counting those that went before.

    Confessions over!!!!!

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    Hi Roy,

    Merry Christmas to yourself and also to one and all. Thank you for the photos they are most helpful. I've already bought a 4 turn drum winch but it looks like the arm winch would have perhaps been a better choice. Also I'm just wondering when you tacked how the front foresail would work because it looks as though it will then still be partly on the wrong side?
    Have you got any plans as to when you may start to build your Bruma?
    Have a great time everyone and happy sailing and building in 2024!
    Cheers Duncan
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    Hi Duncan Merry Christmas. I have used fore sails / flying jibs on small yachts and find that they work without connecting to a sail winch.

    On my Pelican (see My Harbour) the fore jib at the clew of the sail there is an eyelet and the sheet just goes through it like a loop.
    I have attached one end to an adjustable bowsie and then to a shroud.
    The other end goes into a small hole forward at front of cabin. I have a standard servo with an extended arm to adjust the sail sheet and it moves about 3 inches.
    Please note the mainsail servo is a non-standard 170 degree servo salvaged from a commercial wind tunnel once in use at a Government site.

    It will need a separate Tx channel and preferable a variable fixed setting adjuster but not essential. If you want a smooth running sheet then use a ferule as supplied with a servo tops and screws.

    But you may not need the servo at all as the fore jib can be adjusted according to wind conditions using the bowsie.

    1 st. picture shows location of bowsie connection to shroud.
    2nd. picture shows sheet going through eye in sail.
    3rd picture shows insides. If you zoom in the main sail and jib arm winch on the right and on the left with the sheet coming through the red tube is the servo used to tighten and loosen the sail.

    This yacht is 30 inches long.

    Regards
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    Hi Rick. Your diagrams are useful thank you. In your searches have you come across any that control 2 foresails, a main sail and a mizzen sail? I'm finding it a bit of a challenge on a relative small yacht! Thanks in advance. Cheers Duncan๐Ÿ˜€
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    Hi RickS, you were very clear.

    "The word got around that I liked yachts and I wound up with 10 hulls of different types"
    Very good you are lucky and I am happy for you.

    Word got around that I liked ships but no one thought of me! ahahahahaha.
    I'm joking and I wouldn't have known where to put them anyway, unfortunately.

    In which cases do you prefer the first method and in which cases do you prefer the second?

    I've got a curiosity:
    With the same force exerted by the wind on the sails, with the same sail surface, with winches of equal strength, doesn't the second method have better leverage and is therefore capable of developing greater torque?
    I would like to know your opinion on this.
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    RICKS A GOOD EVENING
    i m very greatfull that you sent me the details of how to control the sails. I have been sailing for over 25 years but it's totally different with the real sailing.
    Thanks for the info and i wish you a merry xmas and a 2024 full of modelyachtbuilding in good health of course
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