The Swedish galleon VASA
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- WolleSilver
The Swedish galleon VASA
Can we please stop the discussion, argument or whatever you want to name it please!
This site is not made for this sort of discussions. You don’t have to like each other.”, so ignore if somebody is writing something that you don’t like, you don’t agree with it . .Fine that’s life. Once again please please stop it. Life is too short and most of us are over 18. Let’s be adults. Wipe the spunch over it and enjoy our modelbuilding boats
The Swedish galleon VASA
Lew
Florida ⛱️, USA 🇺🇸
Florida, USA
Home page: https://www.RCFlorida.org/lmb
The Swedish galleon VASA
Lew
Florida, USA
Florida, USA
Home page: https://www.RCFlorida.org/lmb
The Swedish galleon VASA
I had a similar, but milder, exchange with someone on a car forum who misconstrued my innocent remark. After a short while I got the moderator to remove both our comments as I didn't want to be reminded about it and being at odds with the thread.
Chris
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Everyone should know that it is not my intention to continue a diatribe with LewZ, I don't want to bore you and I don't want to depress this forum BUT I also don't want the truth to be distorted and the facts to be twisted.
The facts are there for everyone to see, you can reread the whole topic and realize for yourself: I am the person who was attacked by Lewz for no reason and not the other way around. I just defended myself.
I invite each of you to think what you would have felt if someone had written:
"I enjoy this forum as it was before you came on board, exchanging advice, a little fun, etc. No inane opinions nor bad advice based on lack of knowledge."
Not to mention what he wrote to me privately (if you had read it you would have been amazed and saddened).
I assure you that there was no attempt at reconciliation but only insults and insults.
I invite each of you to think what you would have done if you had received sarcastic, harshly critical and personal attacks in your topics (instead of messages relating to the topic).
The fact that he claims to have attacked only me and not others does not take away the fact that he attacked me gratuitously and personally for no reason.
I'm sorry but I understood well this person about whom I had no prejudice (I wasn't prejudiced at all), and I understood it from the same words and from the same interventions as him.
I have my own personal opinion about this person, about his modeling skills, his nautical knowledge and his electrical knowledge, but I don't express it here because I don't want to hurt him, I don't want to mortify him. I don't see the need for it.
For me the discussion ends here, but Mr. Lewz knows that every time he attacks me I will defend myself.
For ChrisF.
Sorry Chris but LewZ has already ruled that this topic doesn't interest him.
He already knew it 25 years ago (as he was keen to point out), so in his opinion I shouldn't even have talked about it (it was too late to talk about it).
It all started with his sarcasm and continued with his hatred and resentment towards me.
If you reread everything carefully from the beginning you will see that this is the case.
I appreciate your intent, it honors you and I respect you for this, but think too if he had written these things against you in one of your topics, completely ignoring the theme of the topic you wanted to discuss.
He wrote five messages out of a total of nine and none of these messages concern Vasa.
I repeat: if he isn't interested in a topic, I simply don't respond.
P.S.
If it were possible I should change the type of this topic from: "The Swedish galleon VASA" to "Lewz's psychological problems with me, causes, reasons and possible cures".
The Swedish galleon VASA
You can do this yourselves or I'm sure Fireboat would be happy to do it. Including mine.
Chris
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Mr. SPQR and I are two different people. The disagreement should have remained between us to work out. That is why I suggested the PM communication tool which was rejected.
Wolle mentioned two different countries. The U.S. is considered an ethnic melting pot, probably more than any other country. My family and friends are just as diverse, mostly from England, Germany, and Spain. My Godfather was Italian.
My involvement in R/C model boats goes back more that 50 of my 80 years and by the grace of God a few more years in this hobby will please me well. I try to share what I have done, often in great detail, even if in involves linking my web pages to what I am sharing because that contains even more information. I pay for this and have no income from it.
I enjoy this forum and the swapping of pertinent information. I think I have learned my lesson in dealing with those who do not, for whatever their personal reason might be. A little humor and some digression (vacations, etc.) help personalize the forum. I don't participate in the games, but that is OK, I have it turned off.
Just to clear the record, Mr. SPQR stated on this forum "On the contrary, you often make nasty or intrusive comments, more or less explicit" about me.
Really? Wow! Now that is a pretty SERIOUS allegation! Please, if that has happened to anyone out there - let me know if I have wronged you.
I hope this ends this nasty exchange on the forum. Again, for further communication on this issue please use PM (private messaging), and not "hang out our dirty laundry".
Finally, to those bystanders that found this exchange unpleasant, my apologies. To Wolle and Hermank, I appreciate your input.
Lew
Florida, USA
Florida, USA
Home page: https://www.RCFlorida.org/lmb
The Swedish galleon VASA
It took me a while to find it in the forum.
I'm especially interested in the naval part but you did us a great favor by taking all those photos.
I regret not being able to see the Cutty Sark clipper when I visited London.
https://model-boats.com/forum/128996
The Swedish galleon VASA
I'm sorry but I haven't been to the Vasa Museum yet. Unfortunately I can't help you there.
The Swedish galleon VASA
You wrote:
"If I don't understand your post, I'll ask if it's interesting to me. And if I'm not interested in something, I won't like it or comment on it, because just because it's not interesting to me doesn't 't mean it's not interesting to others."
I agree with you.
I apologize to the other forum users for this unpleasant digression; I would like to remind you of the post that ended up at the bottom of the topic.
Let's go back to talking about modeling and boating.
If anyone has been to the Vasa museum and has any photos I would love to see them.
I remember that Wolle sent a great report of a museum, help me Wolle I can't find it anymore, yet I had seen it recently.
Wolle's is a great example of things that help naval culture and ship modeling.
The Swedish galleon VASA
You should have gone into diplomacy.
What you are saying is 100 % correct and this is why i love this forum because every body respects each other and you don’t have to agree with somebody Elses opinion but that‘s fine
The Swedish galleon VASA
The Swedish galleon VASA
Little by little the situation is becoming clearer and clearer to me.
Instead, I invite you to reflect on what I wrote in the last post, because it cannot be applied to me but only to you.
Indeed:
I'm not the one who analyzes other people's profiles with obsessive care, like you did with me. I don't think I'm as creepy as you are.
I'm not the one who expresses his contempt for others and only you did this to me in this topic. I can't find any other bad examples like this.
I'm not the one who goes into other people's topics just to criticize, like you did with me. If I intervene it is to help or give compliments.
I'm not the one who imposes my way of seeing on others and tries to establish which topic is more or less useful, as you have done with me on many occasions.
I'm not the one telling other forum users that their opinions are nonsense.
I'm not the one to tell others they have wrong knowledge like you did to me.
I'm not the one who has psychological problems with another forum user, like you have with me.
Before I didn't even pay attention to you, there are other users who have built interesting models for me.
Your interventions are never disinterested, you always put in a bit of publicity for your works, your models or your website.
You have already done everything that others have done but better than them. This is called excessive egocentrism and mania for protagonism.
I don't know what made you hate me, but it's your problem, not mine.
I certainly don't hate you, at most I pity you.
Sorry if I sang to you but you really deserved it.
However, your out of place interventions, like the one in this topic and on other occasions, are not good for the forum.
Do you remember that in this topic I didn't mention you at all and you are the one making a sarcastic comment of your own free will?
If you want to be sarcastic so much, you have to be ready to receive sarcasm and get off the pedestal you created for yourself.
For the sake of the forum, I advise you to ignore me, as I do you.
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Lew
Florida, USA
Florida, USA
Home page: https://www.RCFlorida.org/lmb
The Swedish galleon VASA
Your attention to my profile is very disturbing and what you wrote is very disturbing.
In fact I would say very serious for a measured and kind forum like this.
I have nothing to say to you privately.
I'll tell you what I have to say here in public on the forum.
It doesn't matter much that you don't like me. I'll get over it.
I don't have to ask your permission to participate in this forum.
I don't have to ask your permission for what I like or don't like to post.
You've often boasted about your blogs, well master do it there.
Here, Steven (Fireboat) is directing, not you.
I have always been kind to everyone and I have never intruded on your builts.
I have never made any negative comments about you.
When I don't like a person or an RC model there's no need to say it.
I don't feel the need to denigrate others, if I don't like them I just ignore them.
I don't think I expressed any senseless opinions.
In any case, I am free to express my opinions.
I don't think I gave advice based on bad knowledge. This is your opinion and I don't care in the slightest.
Others have expressed different opinions than yours on my posts, go reread them.
On the contrary, you often make nasty or intrusive comments, more or less explicit.
I remember that, a few months ago, another user scolded you, inviting you not to be a policeman.
It's certainly not a knowledge competition.
I'm the last one here and I just have to learn.
I have never boasted and have always declared my lack of experience.
Initially I greatly overestimated you but then I understood well how things really are.
I really like this website too.
Honestly, in this topic I was interested in the Vasa (and seeing if someone could post some photos taken at the museum) certainly not your psychological problems with me.
The Swedish galleon VASA
I enjoy this forum as it was before you came on board, exchanging of advice, a little fun, etc. No inane opinions nor bad advice based on lack of knowledge.
I suggest that if you want to continue this conversation further you PM me. I will do likewise. No need to involve others.
Lew
Florida ⛱️, USA
Florida, USA
Home page: https://www.RCFlorida.org/lmb
The Swedish galleon VASA
I'm sorry you missed the connection, but there's no problem, I'll explain it to you with a lot of patience, even if I thought it was quite obvious.
In the topic on the discovery of the San Josè I referred to the sinking of the Vasa galleon, so I thought this episode might be of interest to someone.
If you already knew him, good for you. I'm really happy for you. I'm over the moon.
Twenty-seven years ago I was not registered on this forum.
P.S.
Generally I behave like this: when a topic is not of interest to me or does not attract my attention, I simply don't comment, I simply ignore it.
A good rule of life for all ages is: "it is neither necessary nor obligatory to say anything about everything, especially about what we are not interested in".
https://model-boats.com/forum/138116
The Swedish galleon VASA
Lew
Florida ⛱️, USA
Florida, USA
Home page: https://www.RCFlorida.org/lmb
The Swedish galleon VASA
About the aforementioned Vasa galleon.
This Swedish galleon was laid down in 1626 and launched in 1628.
It sank the same day it was launched.
Shortly after the keel was laid, the king, learning of similar constructions in competing nations, wanted the ship to be longer.
King Gustav II Adolf of Sweden had more cannons added.
With these modifications the Vasa was the most heavily armed of her era, (or one of the most armed) but it was also excessively long and above all too tall compared to her width.
Furthermore, the huge masses at high elevation raised the center of gravity, making it dangerously unstable.
In an attempt to make it more stable, the ballast was increased, but at the cost of greater immersion of the hull.
Even though the practical test (empirical but consolidated over time and effective) had given a negative outcome, the king's provisions which urged the launch were respected.
With the cannons, ammunition and stern friezes at the time of launching the ship had a small freeboard and the water was very close to the lower gun doors.
On 10 August 1628 the Vasa hoisted her sails on her maiden voyage just off the port of Stockholm where she had been built.
However, a gust of wind tilted it and water began to enter the hull through the gun ports.
The ship sank very quickly just 120 meters from the coast and after having traveled less than a nautical mile, settling on a shallow muddy seabed.
Many people were saved by the boats that rushed to help, but at least 40 of the 130 people on board died in the shipwreck, including wives and children of some crew members, however many fewer than could have been expected, given that the sailors on board they suspected disaster.
The second gust of wind was enough to make it sink, a light wind certainly not a storm. Incredible but true.
The commission of inquiry did not lead to any results, also because it should have blamed the king.
However, everyone knew, even abroad, who was to blame.
If he hadn't interfered, the king would have had an efficient galleon even if it wasn't the most powerful in the world.
So he got nothing except further expense and shame.
She was recovered in 1956 and can now be visited in a dedicated museum in Stockholm. I would like to go and visit it.
This 64-gun galleon displaced 1210 tons and was approximately 69 meters long.
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