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    HELP FOR IDENTIFICATION OF A WARSHIP.
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    tim morland
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    Well done Doug,
    The connection to Fincantieri also makes it more plausible .
    Best wishes Tim
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    Hi Doug, I'm not an expert in 3D drawing, but I've done some practice with the Rhinoceros program.
    I am now certain of one thing: drawing complex but polygonal structures is not as difficult as drawing a hull.
    If you need to design a hull and already have the measurements it is relatively easy (or if you are based on an existing design).
    If you want to build a certain hull from scratch it is extremely difficult.
    However much more difficult than a polygonal structure.
    If you look carefully at the drawing of the 1/60 gunboat steamer you will realize that some of the water lines on the bow are not very coherent.
    I would have had to spend another few months to resolve those errors but (since I am impatient) in due course I preferred to continue and correct those small errors manually directly on the model.
    In fact, I would like to make the next hull perfect.
    Logically, in the absence of drawings and measurements, I will do the superstructure of these Malaysian ships by eye, simply by looking at the photos.
    I did the same thing for the cannons. Of course, if I had had a scale drawing and not just perspective photos, I would have made them identical, so they are just similar.
    RNinMunich
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    "create a 3D drawing of the superstructure. "
    A project in itself Alessandro. Buona fortuna amico mio๐Ÿคž
    Ciao, Doug๐Ÿ˜Ž
    Young at heart ๐Ÿ˜‰ Slightly older in other places.๐Ÿ˜Š Cheers Doug
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    Doug, your expertise in naval, telecommunications, and electronics matters comes across in many ways, and it's hard to hide (There are many clues).

    Beyond the help you gave me on this occasion and the help you also provide to others whenever needed, it is always a pleasure to talk about these topics with competent people like you.

    However, don't wait too anxiously for my work on this model because, as you will have understood, I am very slow, alas.
    The priority is to complete the RC schooner, then I have two other projects in mind from scratch (I prefer to design the hulls and scale naval models myself rather than using already completed projects).
    I just had this curiosity, I wanted to understand what ship it could be and prepare the photographic material for when it is needed.
    One thing I would like to do immediately, however, is to clean it and perhaps create a 3D drawing of the superstructure.
    RNinMunich
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    Thankyou Alessandro,
    My pleasure, glad to help๐Ÿ˜‰
    I have to admit that I perhaps have a certain advantage having, over 40 years or so, worked on the COMMS systems of many classes of Naval vessels; from Patrol boats through FPB, FAC, Corvette, Frigate, Destroyer (mostly Blohm & Voss MEKOS), LPD, Heli Carrier, up to Light Fleet Carrier (ex RN Colossus class). A few submarines as well Type 206/209/212/214 and Scorpion.
    For each project the GA drawings were on my desk and PC for months, sometimes years๐Ÿ™„

    The Laksamana class is fairly obscure, so if I hadn't worked on them I would probably have been just as stumped as everyone else.
    Have fun, looking forward to your restoration Blog๐Ÿค“๐Ÿ˜Š
    I think that the model builder just didn't finish it for whatever reason; hope it wasn't a terminal reason.
    Cheers, Doug๐Ÿ˜Ž
    Young at heart ๐Ÿ˜‰ Slightly older in other places.๐Ÿ˜Š Cheers Doug
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    Great Doug. Excellent, I congratulate you, you are very good.

    I haven't yet had time to do some research on this class of Malaysian ships (which I will unfortunately only do on the internet).

    From a look at the photo you attached, there are actually many points in common, certainly more than the German ships.
    It is the one that comes closest to the scale model (which is not very detailed). It seems more for practical use of antenna testing than for display.

    You made some excellent, very competent and intelligent considerations that I agree with.

    Yes, in fact there is a lot of Italy in this ship but I excluded (but you already understood this) that she could be (or have been) a unit of the Italian fleet.
    I certainly couldn't rule out that some parts or weapon systems were Italian.

    I will follow your advice, I will collect some photographic material like this, as soon as I have time. I'll try to put it back together.

    One point for me, a thousand points for you.


    Thank you so much for your help.
    RNinMunich
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    Sorry Guys, but I have to disagree!
    IMHO I believe that the model is of Laksamana Corvette of The Royal Malaysian Navy.
    Did some COMMS system design work on them during one of their refits.
    Some years back now but thought the configuration looked familiar. The six canisters!!
    She is the only vessel of FAC/Corvette class I have ever seen with 6 missile canisters on the aft deck. No way did any FAC/FPB of the German Navy ever have that.

    The cons re Type 143 and derivatives:
    The superstructure is too simple and too short.
    The weapons fit is wrong, and partially in the wrong place.
    As said, they only have 4 missile canisters not six.
    Too much space between the forward gun and the breakwater.

    Pros for the Laxamana Corvette.
    Superstructure config matches the model (more or less) but there's obviously a lot missing.
    Looks like the builder realised what a complex ship he had taken on and gave up.
    Weapons fit is correct:-
    Oto Melara 76mm forward,
    Twin 40mm CIWS on gun deck on the aft end of 01 deck. BREDA. AKA OTO Twin 40L70.
    (A point to Alessandro๐Ÿ‘).
    Anti-ship missile: 6 ร— Otomat Mk 2 SSM on aft main deck (The clincher!)
    The arrangement on the model is very odd! Attached pic shows the correct arrangement, 3 to port and 3 to starboard.
    @Tim: As the pic shows Otomat canisters have flat sides like on the model.
    Exocet canisters have several thick stiffening ribs along each side.
    (Yes I have eyeballed them close up.)

    Anti-air: 4 ร— Aspide SAM. Quad launcher at the aft end of 02 deck.
    QED.

    She also had two triple torpedo launchers right aft, port and starboard.
    Looks like they've been removed from or got knocked off the model.
    But that's probably why he left those large gaps in the railings.

    @Alessandro.
    Looks like you've got your work cut out to finish her off true to type.
    Google the Laksamana Corvette and you can find many hi def pics to work from.
    Sample attached. Download to a PC and your graphics app should show the pic much larger than it appears here on the site.
    Have fun with the mast and antenna array๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    I wonder what the builders connection was with this class of ship?
    Maybe he worked for Fincantieri, they built the ships
    Originally for Iraq but the Weapons Embargo stopped that deal.
    After considerable rebuilding they were then sold to Malaysia.
    So you see, they are Italian after all๐Ÿ˜‰

    Cheers All, Doug๐Ÿ˜Ž


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laksamana-class_corvette
    Young at heart ๐Ÿ˜‰ Slightly older in other places.๐Ÿ˜Š Cheers Doug
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    Hi Toradog and Tim, thank you very much for your interest.

    You also agree with Wolle, that is, you think it could be a type 143 class unit (Type 143 Albatros class Fast Attack Missile Craft)

    or type 143A
    (Type 143A Gepard class Fast Attack Missile Craft).


    In the eleventh message of this topic I listed the similarities and differences between the scale model and the type 148 class suggested by Stotty.
    The 143A class has one more difference I think. As I wrote to Wolle, instead of the stern cannon, it mounts an anti-aircraft missile system.

    I think that this modeller really took a lot of liberties if he wanted to make a 148 or 143 or 143A class.



    https://www.seaforces.org/marint/German-Navy/Patrol-Vessel/Type-143-Albatros-cla
    https://www.seaforces.org/marint/German-Navy/Patrol-Vessel/Type-143A-Gepard-clas
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    Thanks Stotty.

    I use Google Translate to write in English.

    Thank you very much, I don't want to disturb you too much.

    You could show him the images and point out the differences that I wrote in the eleventh message of this forum.
    His opinion on this would be interesting. In my opinion the differences are very marked but it could be the fault of the model maker.

    Alternatively, if he feels like it, he could sign up to this forum and participate directly in the discussion using Google Translate.
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    hermank --- moi aussi ;-)
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