Well done Doug,
The connection to Fincantieri also makes it more plausible .
Best wishes Tim

Hi Doug, I'm not an expert in 3D drawing, but I've done some practice with the Rhinoceros program.
I am now certain of one thing: drawing complex but polygonal structures is not as difficult as drawing a hull.
If you need to design a hull and already have the measurements it is relatively easy (or if you are based on an existing design).
If you want to build a certain hull from scratch it is extremely difficult.
However much more difficult than a polygonal structure.
If you look carefully at the drawing of the 1/60 gunboat steamer you will realize that some of the water lines on the bow are not very coherent.
I would have had to spend another few months to resolve those errors but (since I am impatient) in due course I preferred to continue and correct those small errors manually directly on the model.
In fact, I would like to make the next hull perfect.
Logically, in the absence of drawings and measurements, I will do the superstructure of these Malaysian ships by eye, simply by looking at the photos.
I did the same thing for the cannons. Of course, if I had had a scale drawing and not just perspective photos, I would have made them identical, so they are just similar.

"create a 3D drawing of the superstructure. "
A project in itself Alessandro. Buona fortuna amico mio🤞
Ciao, Doug😎

Doug, your expertise in naval, telecommunications, and electronics matters comes across in many ways, and it's hard to hide (There are many clues).

Beyond the help you gave me on this occasion and the help you also provide to others whenever needed, it is always a pleasure to talk about these topics with competent people like you.

However, don't wait too anxiously for my work on this model because, as you will have understood, I am very slow, alas.
The priority is to complete the RC schooner, then I have two other projects in mind from scratch (I prefer to design the hulls and scale naval models myself rather than using already completed projects).
I just had this curiosity, I wanted to understand what ship it could be and prepare the photographic material for when it is needed.
One thing I would like to do immediately, however, is to clean it and perhaps create a 3D drawing of the superstructure.

Thankyou Alessandro,
My pleasure, glad to help😉
I have to admit that I perhaps have a certain advantage having, over 40 years or so, worked on the COMMS systems of many classes of Naval vessels; from Patrol boats through FPB, FAC, Corvette, Frigate, Destroyer (mostly Blohm & Voss MEKOS), LPD, Heli Carrier, up to Light Fleet Carrier (ex RN Colossus class). A few submarines as well Type 206/209/212/214 and Scorpion.
For each project the GA drawings were on my desk and PC for months, sometimes years🙄

The Laksamana class is fairly obscure, so if I hadn't worked on them I would probably have been just as stumped as everyone else.
Have fun, looking forward to your restoration Blog🤓😊
I think that the model builder just didn't finish it for whatever reason; hope it wasn't a terminal reason.
Cheers, Doug😎

Great Doug. Excellent, I congratulate you, you are very good.

I haven't yet had time to do some research on this class of Malaysian ships (which I will unfortunately only do on the internet).

From a look at the photo you attached, there are actually many points in common, certainly more than the German ships.
It is the one that comes closest to the scale model (which is not very detailed). It seems more for practical use of antenna testing than for display.

You made some excellent, very competent and intelligent considerations that I agree with.

Yes, in fact there is a lot of Italy in this ship but I excluded (but you already understood this) that she could be (or have been) a unit of the Italian fleet.
I certainly couldn't rule out that some parts or weapon systems were Italian.

I will follow your advice, I will collect some photographic material like this, as soon as I have time. I'll try to put it back together.

One point for me, a thousand points for you.


Thank you so much for your help.

Sorry Guys, but I have to disagree!
IMHO I believe that the model is of Laksamana Corvette of The Royal Malaysian Navy.
Did some COMMS system design work on them during one of their refits.
Some years back now but thought the configuration looked familiar. The six canisters!!
She is the only vessel of FAC/Corvette class I have ever seen with 6 missile canisters on the aft deck. No way did any FAC/FPB of the German Navy ever have that.

The cons re Type 143 and derivatives:
The superstructure is too simple and too short.
The weapons fit is wrong, and partially in the wrong place.
As said, they only have 4 missile canisters not six.
Too much space between the forward gun and the breakwater.

Pros for the Laxamana Corvette.
Superstructure config matches the model (more or less) but there's obviously a lot missing.
Looks like the builder realised what a complex ship he had taken on and gave up.
Weapons fit is correct:-
Oto Melara 76mm forward,
Twin 40mm CIWS on gun deck on the aft end of 01 deck. BREDA. AKA OTO Twin 40L70.
(A point to Alessandro👍).
Anti-ship missile: 6 × Otomat Mk 2 SSM on aft main deck (The clincher!)
The arrangement on the model is very odd! Attached pic shows the correct arrangement, 3 to port and 3 to starboard.
@Tim: As the pic shows Otomat canisters have flat sides like on the model.
Exocet canisters have several thick stiffening ribs along each side.
(Yes I have eyeballed them close up.)

Anti-air: 4 × Aspide SAM. Quad launcher at the aft end of 02 deck.
QED.

She also had two triple torpedo launchers right aft, port and starboard.
Looks like they've been removed from or got knocked off the model.
But that's probably why he left those large gaps in the railings.

@Alessandro.
Looks like you've got your work cut out to finish her off true to type.
Google the Laksamana Corvette and you can find many hi def pics to work from.
Sample attached. Download to a PC and your graphics app should show the pic much larger than it appears here on the site.
Have fun with the mast and antenna array😮

I wonder what the builders connection was with this class of ship?
Maybe he worked for Fincantieri, they built the ships
Originally for Iraq but the Weapons Embargo stopped that deal.
After considerable rebuilding they were then sold to Malaysia.
So you see, they are Italian after all😉

Cheers All, Doug😎

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laksamana-class_corvette

Hi Toradog and Tim, thank you very much for your interest.

You also agree with Wolle, that is, you think it could be a type 143 class unit (Type 143 Albatros class Fast Attack Missile Craft)

or type 143A
(Type 143A Gepard class Fast Attack Missile Craft).


In the eleventh message of this topic I listed the similarities and differences between the scale model and the type 148 class suggested by Stotty.
The 143A class has one more difference I think. As I wrote to Wolle, instead of the stern cannon, it mounts an anti-aircraft missile system.

I think that this modeller really took a lot of liberties if he wanted to make a 148 or 143 or 143A class.


https://www.seaforces.org/marint/German-Navy/Patrol-Vessel/Type-143-Albatros-class.htm

https://www.seaforces.org/marint/German-Navy/Patrol-Vessel/Type-143A-Gepard-class.htm

Thanks Stotty.

I use Google Translate to write in English.

Thank you very much, I don't want to disturb you too much.

You could show him the images and point out the differences that I wrote in the eleventh message of this forum.
His opinion on this would be interesting. In my opinion the differences are very marked but it could be the fault of the model maker.

Alternatively, if he feels like it, he could sign up to this forum and participate directly in the discussion using Google Translate.

hermank --- moi aussi ;-)

Thanks Hermak, always very kind and helpful.

Closer inspection of photo 11 looks very similar to the model superstructure mast etc. I will see him friday, so i will have the opportunity to chat about it!

Hi Wolle, thank you very much for your suggestion and help.

I saw the site you linked to.


You think it might be a Gepard class unit.
Type 143A Gepard class Fast Attack Missile Craft.

There are ten units very similar to the Tiger class types 148. (reference to previous message).

In this case there is one more difference. Instead of the cannon placed in the stern, in this class there is an air-to-surface missile system.

The same considerations that I made with Stotty apply, it could be a free interpretation of the modeller who did not stick to reality or it could be other ships.
What do you think about it?

Anyway, thanks again Wolle.
Also in this case I can take inspiration to complete the superstructures.


Builders:
Lürssen Shipbuilding, Bremen-Vegesack, Germany
Kröger Shipbuilding, Rendsburg, Germany

Displacement: 390 tonnes
Length: 57.6 meters (189 feet)
Beam: 7.8 m (25 ft 7 in)
Draft: 2.6 m (8 ft 6 in)
Crew: 35
Speed: 40 knots (74 km/h)

Range:
2600 nautical miles (4800 km) at 16 knots (30 km/h)

Propulsion:
4 x MTU 16V 956 TB91 diesel-engines (13235 kW / 17740 hp)
4 shafts / 4 propellers

Armament:
1 x Oto-Melara 76/62 Compact gun
4 x missile launcher for 4 x MM38 Exocet SSM
1 x Mk-49 missile launching system for RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missiles (RAM)
2 x caliber .50 machine guns
mine laying capacity

Systems:
MSSR 2000I Radar
WM27 Radar
MSP500 electro-optical sensor
HOT DOG decoy launcher
DAG2200 WOLKE chaff launcher
FL1800 ESM suite


https://www.seaforces.org/marint/German-Navy/Patrol-Vessel/Type-143A-Gepard-class.htm

Stotty 1111
If you got the French text or info I can translate in English
Si vous avez l’explication Française je peut la traduire dans problème.
Bonne soirée
Enjoy your evening

Hi, my club president has a model of P6141, if you wish I can chat to him to see if he is interested in sharing his knowledge, but, unfortunately he only has french languagewise!

Hello Stotty1111, cheers everyone.

After your precious indications I did a search on the internet.
As I have already written, in the post-war period I have books on many navies but not on the German one.
I entered the ship P6141 in the search field.
All sites list this vessel as the Type 148 class
called the Tiger class
Fast Attack Missile Craft
derived from the French Combattante II class ships.
(I will insert the characteristics of this type of ships at the end of the message for anyone interested)

I discovered that the P6141 is one of the twenty ships of this class, precisely the first, the leader of the class called S41 TIGER (entered into service in 1972 and sold to the Chilean Navy in 1998 with the name of Teniente Uribe (LM-39), in disarmament since 2015).


There are many similarities with the model that was given to me but also many differences.
Compare the first three attached images.

Similitudes
The hull line is certainly very similar if not the same as that of the scale model.
The general layout seems very similar (bow gun-superstructure-anti-ship missiles).
The proportions are very similar.
The gun on the bow is very similar and could actually be the 76/62 Oto-Melara.
The rear twin gun could be the Bofors 40/L70.
There are the big launchers for the anti-ship missiles.
The main superstructure looks the same (the windows are very similar).
The scale ship has four propellers like the 148 Tiger class.


Differences.
There are 6 launchers for the anti-ship missiles in the scale model while there are four in the Tiger class. It is possible that in the scale model the launchers are for anti-ship missiles smaller than the Exocet missiles with which these units were equipped. Or the model maker invented this detail and was not faithful to the original.
There are four launchers (four tubes) of an unknown weapon system on the scale model while it does not exist on the Type 148 Tiger class (as can be seen in the second attached image, red arrow).
The cannon in the scale model is double-barreled and is located amidships while the cannon of the type 148 ships has a single barrel and is located behind the anti-ship missiles (as can be seen in the second attached image, yellow arrow).
On the scale model there is a structure above the deck that reaches amidships but which is not present in any ship of the type 148 class (as can be seen in the second attached image, black arrow).
On the scale model there are two tubes on the deck amidships, probably torpedo tubes (as can be seen in the third attached image, blue arrow). One of the two tubes came loose but it was there.

I thought that the other patrol boats of the same class might have some differences with the S41Tiger and perhaps be similar to the model they gave me. But no, they are almost all the same as you can see from the other attached photos.

I hypothesized that ships sold to other countries such as Greece, Egypt and Chile may have made modifications that made these units similar to the scale model I have but this is not the case. I checked the photos and the units sold remained almost identical to the German ones.


Partial conclusions:

It is possible that it is indeed a German Tiger class patrol vessel but that the modeller has customized the scale model too much, or it is not the Tiger class.

However, I thank Stotty because now I have an idea of how to create the tubular superstructures to support the radars and the various antennas.
When I carry out the restoration I will make them similar.

builder
Lürssen Shipbuilding, Bremen-Vegesack, Germany
Displacement: 265 tonnes
Length: 47 meters (154 feet 2 inches)
Beam: 7 m (23 ft)
Draft: 2.7 m (8 ft 10 in)
Crew: 30
Speed: 36 knots (67 km/h)
Armament:
1 x Oto-Melara 76/62 Compact gun
4 x MM38 Exocet SSM
1 x Bofors 40/L70 AA gun (can be replaced by mine laying rails)
8 x naval mines


https://www.seaforces.org/marint/German-Navy/Patrol-Vessel/Type-148-Tiger-class.htm

Thank you all for the precious and very quick information.

I'm doing some research based on your suggestions.
I'm only doing my research on the internet because unfortunately I only have books on the German navy up to the Second World War.

I will respond to everyone individually, starting with Stotty1111.
I need some time for the translations.

Hello Alessandro,
I didn't know that they were exocets just had a strong feeling, but I agree with Toradog that it bears a striking resemblance to the type 143 built by Lursen's. Could it be a simpified model that somebody has made based on the type 143. Alternatively have Lursen's made a similar boat for another nation based on the type 143?
Good luck Tim

Wolle,
I think that you have the correct class of ship. The model in question looks quite a bit smaller and sounds like it was built as a static model.I found a n image of a very similar ship listed as a Type 143 missle boat( new construction) in Jane's Fighting Ships '71-'72.

Alessandro amigo italiano
Is that not the flyvisken. I think it is a building kit but I don’t know who the manufacturer is
Length should be 110-120cm

Maybe this.


https://www.frankgrossmann.de/meine-modelle/marinemodelle/schnellboot-143-a-1-40/

Thanks so much Tim for your help.
There are definitely missile launchers on the stern but I don't know how you can tell they're Exocets.
I know Exocets well but I would never be able to recognize them just by the external launcher.
I can speculate that they are anti-ship missiles but I couldn't say the type.
How do you recognize them Tim? This thing intrigues me a lot.

Not 100% sure but those boxes on the stern look like exocet missile launching tubes. Could this narrow down time and nation? good luck Tim

Thanks so much Stotty1111, I will now look for information and pictures on this vessel.
Any other indication will be very welcome and appreciated.

Is it a german patrol boat, P6141 - no idea of the kit maker!