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    Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
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    ๐Ÿ“ Nov. 1934 Popular Mechanics - 32" model of "Roamer" Cabin Cruiser.
    4 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Hi everyone,
    While surfing the net, I came across a very interesting article on how to scratch-build a 32" cabin cruiser.
    If any of our fellow members have built this model, Iโ€™d really enjoy seeing photos of the finished boat and hearing about your experience. Even though Iโ€™m more of a โ€œtug guy,โ€ many of the builds posted here have caught my attention and motivated me to seriously consider tackling this type of model.
    I picked up the magazine on eBay and copied/enlarged the frames, mainly to keep them on the back burner until I finish the three projects I currently have on the bench.
    Looking forward to your comments and photos.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Nov. 1934 Popular Mechanics - 32" model of "Roamer" Cabin Cruiser.
    3 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ChrisF ( Rear Admiral)
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    That's a nice model. I see that it is designed for an outboard which is a problem nowadays as very few are available and at the right size. It could easily be converted to an inboard though.

    Certainly an unusual way of constructing the frames, if it was me building one I think I'd produce the frames as one and notch over the keel in the conventional way.

    Chris
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    ๐Ÿ“ Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    30 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Jumpugly,
    If youโ€”or any member of this forumโ€”lneed anything, just let me know. Theyโ€™re only about 30 minutes from my home, and if you live on the other side of the lake, they can also mail you anything you need.

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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    8 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ญ Mike Stoney ( Rear Admiral)
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    Good morning, Chugalone.
    I've spotted a few tips on assembling a winch or ladder... at your place.
    Simple tools were used, like I did back then with the clothes pegs. . .
    My sincere regards for the perfect details. . . !!
    Sunny greetings from cold Switzerland, ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž
    Your Michel-C.
    Ps: Old photograph taken during assembly testing of the Dolores,
    the sternwheel steamboat with the clothes pegs turned upside down. โ˜บ๏ธ
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    8 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Thatโ€™s all for now.
    In my next post, I will cover how I painted the hull and the cabin, as well as the simple electronics setup I came up with.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    8 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    The next step was to assemble the bow configuration, where I attempted to replicate the bow of the N.Y. Fire Fighter fireboat.
    This is a feature I plan to discuss with the ME production manager to explore the possibility of incorporating it into the new kit.
    I also had to create the hawsehole from scratchโ€”a simple pieceโ€”since it is not included or mentioned in the kit instructions.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    8 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    More deck items
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    8 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Deck items
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    8 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Finished base, railings and monitor.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    8 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Brass Railings for the Rear Monitor Baseโ€‹

    This step is not included in the kit instructions, as it is intended for more advanced modelers. However, if you carefully follow the instructions provided here, you can also achieve this elegant enhancement.

    If you decide to proceed, there are many soldering tutorials available online, as well as several within this forum, where you can find helpful guidance and techniques.

    I first made a basswood jig matching the shape of the base and used small tacks to hold the pieces in place while soldering.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    8 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    For the rear fire monitor, I made several modifications to improve realism, as the original configuration is quite basic and leaves room for interpretation.

    According to the instructions, the monitor base is mounted without visible supports, giving the appearance that it is floating above the deck. I was not satisfied with this look, so I added support legs to the base. This modification provides a more realistic structural appearance while maintaining the original proportions of the monitor.

    It should be noted that the original method shown in the instructions is the simplest and fastest approach. For this reason, it is recommended for beginners or those building the model strictly as designed.

    Below is a reference image showing the original configuration as indicated in the instructions.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    8 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Sorry for taking so long to post again, but Iโ€™ve been very busy painting all of the deck items.
    So here it is.
    FIRE MONITORS
    The new version of this model from me will include 3D-printed fire monitor components, along with all the other parts needed to complete the model. At first, I was a bit doubtful about this method compared to the traditional Britannia metal parts, but I was pleasantly surprised when I saw and compared the sharpness and level of detail that 3D printing offers. It definitely gets a thumbs-up from me.
    Here is my interpretation of how to enhance these exposed parts of the model for improved realism.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    30 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    When adding the rear door, make sure the upper section aligns correctly with the lower wall. I overlooked this detail the first time and ended up having to remove both pieces to redo the entire assembly. I also added a door jamb, which gives the door a much more realistic, finished appearance.
    Youโ€™ll also notice another improvement here: I added a window beside the rear door. It just looked right to meโ€”and as they say, โ€œbeauty is in the eye of the beholder.โ€ All of these improvements will be included in the new kit.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    30 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    THE AWNINGโ€‹

    The awning was another tricky construction for me. The problem was that the instructions never explain what angle the material should be cut to. After many attempts and a lot of trial and error, I finally found that a 35-degree angle worked perfectly. Thatโ€™s the angle I would recommend to anyone building this beautiful model.

    Once the angle was figured out, joining the five pieces was much easier. As long as you stick to the angles shown in the top view of the pilothouse blueprint, everything lines up nicely.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    30 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    This is another improvement I decided to make to the kit: real doors. The instructions suggest creating the door by simply scribing lines and adding ink, but I wasnโ€™t satisfied with that approach. Instead, I built a more realistic door using a few framing strips and a piece of 1/16" plywood for the panel. With these additions, the door has far more depth and looks much closer to what youโ€™d find on the actual vessel. I still need to install the threshold, which should sit slightly raised above the deck.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    30 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    This next picture highlights a noticeable improvement to the model.

    As I studied the details more closely, I realized I wanted to reproduce some of the moulding found around the pilothouse windows and surrounding structures on the real boat.

    The full-size vessel features subtle trim that adds character and depth to the pilothouse, and incorporating a similar detail in the model brings it much closer to the authentic appearance of the actual craft.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    30 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    THE PILOTHOUSE
    You may encounter some difficultyโ€”and probably a fair amount of frustrationโ€”if you follow the kit instructions exactly when constructing the pilothouse components that include windows. The affected parts are: two C-2 pieces, two C-4 pieces, one C-6, and one C-1.
    The instructions call for assembling the window frames using the supplied 3/32" ร— 1/4" strip wood. In practice, these strips are so thin and delicate that the frames have almost no structural strength. During assembly, even the slightest movement caused the joints to separate, since there simply isnโ€™t enough material to create a stable frame. After several attempts, I had to stop for the day out of frustration.
    The next morning, I decided a new method was needed. My solution was to glue each assembled wall-and-window unit onto an ultra-thin sheet of mahogany veneer I had available at work. This instantly transformed the pieces into strong, rigid components while also giving the pilothouse interior a rich mahogany finishโ€”an unexpected but very attractive improvement.
    I shared this modification with Carlos, the General Manager at Model Expo, and we both agreed on a better long-term solution: parts C-2, C-4, C-6, and C-1 should be redesigned as individual laser-cut pieces. This would eliminate the fragile frame-building process entirely and greatly improve both build quality and ease of assembly.
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    ๐Ÿ“ Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    30 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Alessandro:
    When I reached the hull planking stage on this kit, I had the same concern you did.
    Under different circumstances, I would probably have added a layer of fiberglass cloth to stiffen the hull, but in this case Iโ€™m trying to follow the original instructions as closely as possible for commercial purposes.

    I need to present the revised building instructions to Model Expo, so they have to stay very similar to the originals.

    Regarding our concern about using balsa wood in a marine environment, I addressed that by applying several coats of marine epoxy, sanding between each coat. The results have been fantastic.

    After the sea trials, the model will be placed in a display case at Model Expo and will never touch the water again.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    30 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น AlessandroSPQR ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Chugalone, I also think that after treating the balsa hull with epoxy resin both inside and out, it will be very resistant, even without the use of fiberglass.
    ๐Ÿ“ Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Model Expo has confirmed that production will soon begin on a new Midwest kit: the Fireboat, presented at a scale of 1/2" = 1 foot.
    To clarify, Model Expo has acquired the licensing rights from Midwest to produce all of their models. At the moment, they have 27 kits in production, with more on the way. I previously worked with Model Expo in customer service, answering model-building questions and handling replacement-part requests. Now, I am one of the model builders who assemble their prototypesโ€”the models they intend to release to the public.
    With that being said, I invite all of you to follow along with this build. I introduced only a limited number of modificationsโ€”mostly to make the vessel more suitable for radio-control operation and to enhance its realismโ€”while preserving the essential character of the original design.
    Many of you have probably built this classic kit before; however, this is my first time working with it. Please feel free to share your opinions and past experiences with this charming little model.
    History of the Fireboats
    This model represents a small fireboat equipped with twin monitors, a type of vessel historically stationed in nearly every major working harbor throughout the United States and abroad. Its configuration is based on a combination of plans and photographic references from several representative examples. Because of this, it serves as an accurate portrayal of the smaller fireboatsโ€”many of which are still in service in various ports today.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    25 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ jumpugly ( Admiral)
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    Chug! Here you go... My Dad's large smack has a hull length of 36", with bowsprit it's 40", and overall with boom it's 47". Closer to 1:10th scale I'd say.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    25 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ jumpugly ( Admiral)
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    Morning Chug! Yessir, but my Dad's was in a monster scale 1/12th scale, with boom it's a shade over 40" if memory serves. I will go over to the garage and measure it to be sure.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    25 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    Jumpugly;
    Is this the model to which you were referring?


    https://www.modelexpo-online.com/products/midwest-muscongus-bay-lobster-smack-1-
    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    30 days ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ jumpugly ( Admiral)
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    This is good news from Model Expo! Now if they'd dig out the old large scale Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack plans...๐Ÿ˜‰

    PS: Excellent breakdown of the typical Midwest build Chug!
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    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    BRINKMAN:
    Hey buddy, I hope youโ€™re enjoying this build, especially since you have one of these models yourself.
    Let me know if youโ€™ve made any alterations or improvements to yoursโ€”Iโ€™d love to hear about them.
    Thanks!
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    THE PLANKING
    After fairing the hull to establish a smooth, continuous load path for the planking, the next step is to fabricate and install the hull panels. I began by cutting the planking sections from the supplied 3/32" sheet stock, ensuring that the wood grain ran vertically.
    This orientation increases stiffness across the height of each plank and reduces the chance of cupping once installed. Planking should begin at the bow and progress aft, which helps maintain proper alignment and minimizes cumulative error as each piece is added.

    From the stern to the F1 frame, the hull incorporates a distinct chine where the side and bottom planking meet. Because these surfaces butt directly against one another rather than overlapping, the side planks must be notched so they accurately register along the chine line. This results in a flush fit and preserves the designed cross-sectional geometry of the hull.

    To improve surface continuity between planks and eliminate low spots, I added small scrap-wood shims anywhere minor gaps appeared during installation. These fillers support the plank edges and help create a smoother exterior surface before final sanding.
    After completing the upper planking, I turned my attention to the bottom surfaces.
    These were faired carefully and then paneled in the same mannerโ€”starting at the bow and cutting each section with the grain orientation indicated in the plans.
    To ensure accuracy, I made blueprint copies and used them as templates, gluing the pieces in place with the grain aligned to the first bottom plank. Another very effective method is to lay the sheet stock directly on the hull and trace the outline, which produces an almost perfect fit.
    Once the entire hull was planked, I sanded it smooth and applied wood filler where needed to achieve a continuous, even surface. After the final fairing, I sealed the hull inside and out using West System 105 resin and 205 hardener, mixed according to the manufacturerโ€™s instructions. The included pumps make dispensing the correct ratio effortless. I applied three coats on both the interior and exterior, resulting in a remarkably strong and durable hull.
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    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น AlessandroSPQR ( Fleet Admiral)
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    You've provided a very precise and detailed description of all the construction phases.
    I really appreciate this approach because it shows the author's touch and style, any customizations, and is useful for anyone having difficulty and looking for help or guidance, even without having to ask questions.

    The use of balsa leaves me a little perplexed. I don't like using this wood for naval purposes (unlike model airplanes).
    To reinforce and waterproof the model, will you use epoxy resins (or similar) and will you rely solely on wood stains and paints?
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    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    THE RUDDER

    At this stage, the modeler must make a material decision. The instructions specify a 3/32" wooden rudder supplied with the kit; however, I opted against this approach. Instead, I used a 0.064" brass sheet available in my workshop, cutting it to the shape indicated in the blueprints using a scroll saw.

    For the back piece of the rudder, I employed a section of K&S #8245, 1/4" brass stock. After soldering and trimming all three components to the correct dimensions, I sanded them to a smooth finish and bonded the assembly using PC-11 paste to ensure a secure and durable connection.
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    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    THE FRAMES AND THE DECK.

    This stage of the build was relatively straightforward.
    After identifying the frame components using the blueprints, I assembled each frame by laying wax cooking paper over the plansโ€”this prevents any unintended adhesionโ€”and then gluing the parts together directly on top of the drawings.

    As many of you already knowโ€”and have likely done yourselves when building a modelโ€”I made several extra copies of the blueprints. These duplicates allowed me to cut out patterns and use them for accurately tracing the shapes of the parts before cutting. This method helps ensure consistency and reduces the chance of error when shaping the components.

    To strengthen deck the structure, I added small reinforcing strips of wood in the areas where the deck will later rest on the frames. This simple modification provides a more secure and precise surface for attaching the deck, improving both alignment and overall rigidity.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    THE SHAFT AND KEEL STRIP
    For the propeller shaft, Model Expo supplied a Dumas Boat Running Hardware Kit #1269N along with a 1ยฝ" Dumas brass propeller. I expect this setup will perform very well during the sea trials.
    To install the shaft, I first cut it to the exact length indicated on the blueprints. Once accurately sized, I secured it in place with epoxy, ensuring a rigid and properly aligned installation.

    KEEL STRIP
    For this step, I used two of the recommended 3/32" ร— 3/36" strips included in the kit. To achieve a clean bend and avoid cracking the fibers, I soaked the strips inside a 1ยฝ" PVC tubeโ€”a simple tool I keep in the shop specifically for this taskโ€”for several hours.
    Iโ€™m sure many of you have a thousand different methods for bending wood, but this one has always worked well for me.
    The soak allows the wood fibersโ€”both lignin and celluloseโ€”to relax and become much more pliable, making it easy to shape the strips precisely to the required contour. And of course, the Florida sun helps speed up the drying process once the strips are in place.
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Midwest/Model Expo Fireboat
    1 month ago by ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ chugalone100 ( Lieutenant Commander)
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    At the outset, I anticipated that the construction process would be relatively uncomplicated, given that the hull is assembled from pre-cut balsa components rather than employing conventional planking methods. In practice, however, the build presented a greater degree of complexity than expected.

    THE KEEL
    The keel consists of five discrete components, and its assembly is largely unambiguous thanks to the precision of the supplied blueprints, which provide clear dimensional references and alignment guidance.
    However, this is precisely where my problems beganโ€”particularly due to the way the instructions advise the builder to cut and permanently glue the shoe.

    The best solution I came up with was to design the shoe-to-keel connection so it would be fully removable, and the method I implemented accomplishes exactly that.
    To achieve this, I routed a recess into the keel that matches the precise dimensions of the shoe. For this purpose, I used a piece of hardwood I had lying around the shop.
    This modification allows the shoe to be fastened with screwsโ€”securely in place during operation, yet easily removed whenever maintenance or adjustments are needed. ๐Ÿ˜Ž


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