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๐ฌ Re: Gina 2 Billing Boats Fish Cutter - Restoration & Conversion
4 days ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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Thanks Alessandro๐
I'm sure that your English will get better the longer you are on this site. You will soon be 'up to speed' with us. Any questions or anything you don't understand just ask. We will be pleased to help. I miei migliori auguri, Doug๐ ▲
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4 days ago by ๐ฎ๐น AlessandroSPQR (
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Per Diana! Questi sono gli articoli che mi piacciono!
Pieni zeppi di informazioni e dettagli, una vera scuola. Sono impressionato dalle tue conoscenze navali ed elettriche. Credo che inizierรฒ a seguire i tuoi lavori, c'รจ da imparare. Peccato per il mio inglese che mi limita molto la comprensione. For Diana! These are the items I like! Full of information and details, a real school. I am impressed with your naval and electrical knowledge. I think I'll start following your work, there's something to learn. Too bad my English limits my understanding a lot. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Gina 2 Billing Boats Fish Cutter - Restoration & Conversion
1 month ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Colin H (
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Well Doug, a long awaited blog and well worth the wait.
Beautiful motor, another Taycol back to it's finest. And doing the job it was meant to do. It's a shame more of us don't utilise these great motors. Well done sir a credit to our hobby. Cheers Colin. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Gina 2 Billing Boats Fish Cutter - Restoration & Conversion
1 month ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Charlie Foxtrot (
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Hi. I've just picked one of these up and keen to restore it too. Did you ever get it completed?
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๐ฌ Hull Pt2: Motorisation - Come What May!!
5 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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Like your steam engines are to me Hammer ๐ฒ
That's what makes this site so good; a colourful mix of interests, knowledge, expertise and skills ๐ More power to your boiler ๐ Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Hull Pt2: Motorisation - Come What May!!
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง hammer (
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Far to complicated for me.
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๐ฌ Hull Pt2: Motorisation - Come What May!!
5 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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Hi again Mike, forgot to mention the false floor bit!
Sorry, no pics - shipyard design secret! ๐ No, haven't got that far yet. Still have to make the gear end plates so I can get the shaft spacing / gear meshing right, i.e. height of the motor above the prop shaft. Plan is to fix an ally plate into the hull with captive 4mm domed nyloc nuts fixed in it. The Taycol has right angled brass mounting brackets for vertical fixing so I shall mount it using 4mm bolts with compression springs between the brackets and the ally plate. The nyloc nuts SHOULD hold things in position! That way I should be able to adjust the motor height and tilt in any direction (well, pitch and roll anyway!) to get the two shafts parallel in the vertical plane and optimum meshing of the gears and minimum vibration. That's the theory anyway ๐ Then I only have to worry about getting the shafts aligned in the horizontal plane, the 'Yaw'. Which should be relatively easy with careful fitting of the ally plate. Minor yaw adjustment could be accommodated by opening out the bracket holes to curved slots with a diamond file. Objective is max power transfer with minimum noise and friction. Not to mention easier mounting than fiddling about with shims! And I don't have to worry about not getting the angle of the ally plate in the hull dead right ๐ Accurate measurements inside this sloppily built hull are virtually impossible! There are no right angles or straight lines or even symmetry where you would normally expect them ๐ฒ So no true reference points or datum lines. We'll see. Cheers, Doug ๐ Ooops! Somehow my response to the motor conversion 'secrets' slipped into the previous Update!? See below in 'A Messy Business'. ▲
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๐ฌ Hull Pt2: Motorisation - Come What May!!
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 (
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What an interesting post, if only I understood the detail, I grasped the overall concept but the oscilloscope bit lost me (I'm a toolmaker by trade) so I understand the "suspended 'false floor" bit which is an interesting concept. some detail pics please.
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๐ฌ Hull Pt2: Motorisation - Come What May!!
5 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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Fits like the proverbial glove Martin ๐
My new split dies and holders have arrived so I should be OK now for the re-shafting on my HMS Belfast and Graf Spee๐ Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Hull Pt2: Motorisation - Come What May!!
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Westquay (
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So glad the shaft and tube worked, Doug.
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๐ฌ Hull Pt2: Motorisation - Come What May!!
5 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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Thanks Ron, the learning curve is steep but I'm getting there ๐
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๐ฌ Hull Pt2: Motorisation - Come What May!!
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง kmbcsecretary (
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Excellent workmanship there Doug coming along nicely.
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๐ฌ Gina 2: A Messy Business - Hull Restoration
5 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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Thanks Mike,
any other questions I'll be glad to try to answer. Maybe I'll start a micro-Business making the conversion boards ๐ 30 years ago I used to make my own etched printed circuit boards, maybe I should refresh that skill!? ๐ Hope the info is useful, as a 'dumb' electronic eng. I'm learning a lot from all you 'mechanical wizards' as well. Makes for a great forum site๐ All the best, Doug ๐ ▲
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5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 (
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Thanks for Doug -I think! I've read it twice and things are becoming clearer, a third and forth time may bring crystal clarity I hope. All in all a very clever solution to a problem that I think many others would benefit from, well done Doug and thanks for the interpretation.
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๐ฌ Gina 2: A Messy Business - Hull Restoration
5 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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Evenin' Mike,
Glad you found it interesting๐ The details of the motor conversion are in my Sea Scout renovation blog but the essentials are- All modern ESCs provide a DC output in the form of pulses which are rapidly switched on and off ( several thousand times a second). That's what you can see in the scope pics. The scope timebase (width of one horizontal division) is set to a little less than 1msec so you can see how fast the pulses are switched and how the pulse width (ON time) varies. The inertia of the motor keeps it going during the few milliseconds of 'Off' so the ratio of ON pulse to OFF determines the speed of the motor. The signal from the TX varies this ratio by varying the ON pulse width of the ESC output in proportion to the throttle stick position. A Bridge rectifier is simply 4 diodes arranged in a square (see pic) so that it has 4 terminals; +, - and two AC (~). When an AC signal is applied between the two ~ terminals a DC voltage of constant polarity appears at the + and - terminals. The rectifier sees the ESC output as an AC signal and produces a DC output at the + and - terminals. All I do is apply that constant DC voltage to the field coil of the motor, thus creating a constant magnetic field as if it was a permanent magnet. This means doing a small mod to the motor to separate the field coil from the brush gear and rotor (armature) coil. 3rd pic shows normal wiring of the coils in series. Meanwhile the varying pulsed voltage goes to the brush gear (and thus armature coil) driving the motor just like a normal 'can' motor. No rocket science just a neat trick ๐ The scope just shows the varying pulse train from the ESC to the motor. Zero Volts is on the horizontal centre line of the screen and shows when the voltage pulses are positive (upper part of screen) or negative (lower part of screen) and the motor reacts accordingly. The slight overshoot is probably due to the reaction time of the diodes but the motor doesn't notice that - it's too 'lazy' ๐ Here endeth today's seminar ๐ Hope it's demystified things a little. Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Gina 2: A Messy Business - Hull Restoration
5 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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Couldn't wait! (curiosity killed the cat!) although it IS now 'tomorrow' here!
Load test results: Taycol motor 235gm, lead ballast 965gm, total 1.2Kgm, and still plenty of free board to the projected waterline ๐ An' she ain't sunk yet! ๐๐ so shouldn't have any problems fitting her out, at least not what weight concerns. Space is another question ๐ฒ 'Nothing is impossible' so they say ๐ (Please don't mention Titanic๐ฒ) Tomorrow (or later today๐ค) is another day or what? ๐ Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Gina 2: A Messy Business - Hull Restoration
5 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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That remains to seen Ed!
The Taycol weighs a proud 235gm ๐ฒ and is 7cm tall!! Now that I've sealed the hull with EzeKote resin I'll try a load test tomorrow, in the domestic Test & Trials Tank ๐ Tune in tomorrow, same time (more or less๐) same channel for the next exciting instalment of " Can this work at all!!??" ๐ Where there's a will .... CU tomorrow, cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Gina 2: A Messy Business - Hull Restoration
5 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ figtree7nts (
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I look forward to seeing the progress on her.
And wait with anticipation on her conversion to RC! Is the Taycol Target motor. going to be too heavy for use on her? ▲
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๐ฌ Gina 2: A Messy Business - Hull Restoration
5 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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Evenin' Ed,
It was my objective from the outset to convert her to RC. That's why so much effort to stabilise and strengthen the hull๐ Having done that the next stage is to figure out how much load she can carry and how to fit motor and shaft. To keep her 'true to type', i.e. horizontal shaft parallel with the keel, I may have to go to pulley or gear drive ๐ฒ The shaft runs very close to the keel! Proposed motor is the Taycol Target field coil motor that I took out of the Sea Scout 26 years ago refurbished and converted to run forwards and backwards. See pics. Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Gina 2: A Messy Business - Hull Restoration
5 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ figtree7nts (
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Evenin' Doug,
Are you going to keep her static. Or are you going to make her RC? ▲
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๐ฌ Gina 2: A Messy Business - Hull Restoration
5 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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Evenin' Mark, yep, must admit I rather liked it as well๐ Unusual!
Keel needs extending so maybe I should do it with lead sheet to prevent 'turtleing' ๐ But have you ever seen such a vile colour filler before?๐ฒ Great shame the planking work was so poor. Would have been nice to do a varnished wood job. C'est la vie, c'est la Guerre ๐ Weather should be dry here tomorrow so hope to get her and the PTB primed. Maybe even underwater hulls done. All the best Marky, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Gina 2: A Messy Business - Hull Restoration
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง marky (
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Really like the tortoise shell effect in the 2nd and 3rd last pictures lets hope it doesn't turn turtle. Cheers Marky
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๐ฌ Gina 2 Billing Boats Fish Cutter - Restoration & Conversion
5 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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You're dead right Hammer๐
This is my second renovation / upgrade and the third, a 28" PTB is also already started. I must be nuts! But then, that's a prerequisite for model boaters ain' it!? Following your 'mechanical engineering' with great interest and awe! Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง hammer (
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Great job your doing Doug. I think its more of a challenge renovating an old model than building from scratch.
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๐ฌ Gina 2 Billing Boats Fish Cutter - Restoration & Conversion
5 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich (
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Evenin' Mike, guess you're right ๐ค
Bit of a departure for me I admit, and after I'd cleaned all the crud off and realised how shoddy and weak the hull was I wondered if I'd bitten off more than I can chew๐ฒ However progress has been made๐ I hate to be beaten! See next update 'Motorisation - Come What May!' You'll recognise the topic from the discussion on dies and threading silver steel prop shafts๐ I'm multiplexing this project with a PTB renovation and refit! Like most boat modellers 'a glutton for punishment'. Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Gina 2 Billing Boats Fish Cutter - Restoration & Conversion
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 (
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That's going to keep you busy for a while, however a most enjoyable project, I look forward to seeing its progress.
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