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    Graupner Krabbe Ton 12…the kit, not the boat😁
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    📝 Change 2 mk1
    11 days ago by 🇺🇸 Cashrc ( Vice Admiral)
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    So….after looking closely at my boat, I determined Doug had a point. Y’all need to know that I’ve never set foot on a tug in my life, so under decks I’m a little lost. I got rid of the companionway and added a reinforced ladder and offset hatch. I think it looks better too. Now.. more hatches and towing gear will be next.

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    📝 Quick update.
    13 days ago by 🇺🇸 Cashrc ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Y’all. After sitting for a bit and staring at my work I realized that there needs to be SOME way for entry into the bottom deckhouse. It’s a little shorter than the pilot house, so I just can’t slap a door on it as it wouldn’t be…plausible. So, I made up an entryway at the fwd end of the house, similar to the ones on my Kalle. It’s a bit of a cheat but it “works”.
    Also, she’s gonna be a diesel tug. So, in my stash of parts I found the upper exhaust portion for my Graupner Taucher Wulf. I thought it was missing from the kit, so I built up the Tauchers exhaust from scrap tube and modified legos. What had happened is that I had misplaced it, and found it some time after the build. Anyway, I had some brass tube that just fits, built up the exhaust and off set it to the port side aft of the pilot house. The pilot house will sit back a little from the forward part of the deckhouse to allow a walkway.
    Y’know, this is making me THINK!! No wonder my wife smelled smoke from the garage….🤣🤣
    Cash

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    12 days ago by 🇺🇸 Cashrc ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Doug. I got the idea for that companionway from my Aeronaut Kalle. Now that I look at the Kalle pic I see your point…however, since the Kalle is an “representative” model of a steam tug in the 20s or thereabouts, one could say that the Mystery is representative of a diesel tug in the early 50s..and the designers were looking at the Kalle when they “designed” the Mystery. Or, I could shorten the companionway cause it does look a little tall. Or I could remove it and add a ladder or steps with rails and a hatch forward. When I used to fly, if I made a mistake when building a plane I’d just fab a new part from some scrap balsa…”it’s just wood”. Same here, it’s just plastic….😁
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    13 days ago by 🇩🇪 RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Hi Cash,
    Whilst I admire your ingenuity, I can't say that I have ever seen such a companionway above the main deck.
    If you think (that word again😁) about it; given the normal inclination of the ladder in such a companionway it would have to come out through the forward bulkhead of the lower cabin.
    Personally I would have added vertical ladders at the sides of the deckhouse and possibly inclined ladders P/S at the aft end.
    With appropriate W/T doors at the P/S and aft of the deckhouse.
    Just my thunks, not your fantasy😁
    Cheers, Doug😎
    📝 Larger rudder, deck install, more mods
    18 days ago by 🇺🇸 Cashrc ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi y’all. So I did a little more this morning. I felt that the kit supplied rudder is a bit smallish, so I trimmed down a Krick unit from my stock, and installed that. It’s not a lot bigger, maybe 20 percent, but I feel better about it. The deck is installed, and along with that I added an upper foredeck at the bow and used the kit parts to add the top cap to the bulwarks. I still need to sand the outer edge flush, and I’m waffling on adding an upper bulwark/rail to the foredeck. After I get all this figured out and finalized I’ll hit hr it’s some primer. That way I can find my screwups and fix them…🤣. Then it’s time to figure out my cabin details and such.
    Cash

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    17 days ago by 🇺🇸 jumpugly ( Commander)
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    Super sharp looking Cash!!!!
    📝 Chopped but not channeled
    23 days ago by 🇺🇸 Cashrc ( Vice Admiral)
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    Quick update and pic. Looking at the boat in the side view, I started thinking the wheelhouse is a bit too tall as built from the kit, and I still have to add a roof. So, using my waterline tool, I marked it all the way around about 1/2 inch from the bottom, and using an xacto knife and saw I performed surgery. I think it looks better. I don’t have a pic but I also cut an access hatch over the rudder. I might not ever need to adjust the linkage, but there’s always a chance the rudder could get damaged, and I like having access to things in my models.
    Now. I have to sit and look at it a couple of days until the muse descends, and start figuring out details and color schemes. It’s going to have lights too…even though our little group meets in the AM, it’s gonna have lights….just because I can😁
    Cash
    First pic is the chop job, second is the original height.

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    22 days ago by 🇺🇸 Cashrc ( Vice Admiral)
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    Yep JP it’s another tug. Maybe I need help? Is there a recovery group somewhere?🤣
    I’m going to leave the wheelhouse as is. It still looks a mite tall, but in some of the pics I was using for inspiration there were a few boats with a classic tug shape but a tallish house like a river tow boat, and I kinda like that look. There was one that had the wheel house up above and fwd of the deckhouse on beams…and that’s not entirely out of the question….yet.
    BTW…looks like we might be rained out……again😠
    Cash
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    22 days ago by 🇺🇸 wingsounds13 ( Leading Seaman)
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    Oh, great... Cash is tugging it again. Cash, we need to get you some help. 😀

    I'd be tempted to say trim another couple of mm off of that wheelhouse. It still looks a tad tall to me.

    J.P.
    📝 Graupner Krabbe Ton 12…the kit, not the boat😁
    25 days ago by 🇺🇸 Cashrc ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi y’all. After building the Caldercraft Clyde Puffer, and taking a break from building for a few weeks, I decided it was time to crank up my bench again. I had originally started on a kit that I got in a trade, a Deans Wacht Am Rhein…this boat had been started some time ago, probably a good decade before I got my hands on it, and it’s been in my kit stash for a good 5 years or so now. The original builder got the rudder and tube installed and the aft and mid deck in place, and some bulwark detail. I was working on a motor mount when I decided I just didn’t want to deal with masts and rigging at this time. At some point I’m going to finish that boat…just not now.
    I’ve had a Graupner Krabbe Ton 12 in my kits stash for a bit. It’s the second version, when Graupner reorganized and sent the kit production to Asia, probably KYmodel. Same people who did the SAR rescue boat and the Taucher Wulf did this. It’s a nice little kit, well made, instructions are somewhat between the Tauchers “guidelines” and a Billings kit…better, but not quite there. Now, I know I said I didn’t want to fool around with a bunch of masts and booms and rigging, and the Krabbe has that in spades…so I decided to make something different. I thought about a slightly different take on a Kriegsfischkutter, or maybe a fishing boat to yacht conversion…but, I decided on a simple tug. Basically a 1930s or so diesel or converted steam tug, something smaller that you might see in the Great Lakes.
    With that decision out of the way I went to work. First thing I did was to make up a 4mm shaft and tube. I used a Caldercraft Fineline tube that I had stolen the shaft from. I have a small collection of tubes and shafts, and a very few that are complete. Anyway, the kit uses a 3mm unit, and that’s just an odd size. Nothing wrong with it, just most of the props and fittings I’ve seen are for 1/8th, 3/16th, 2mm and 4mm. The 3 mm props and such are just harder to get…so I made up the tube by cutting down the Caldercraft unit to the length I wanted, and using the bushing from the discarded end I built up the tube, and added an oiler.
    I then took on the task of choosing my power plant. The kit comes with a motor, a knock off of a Mabuchi RS380. My experience with these motors is that they make good model boat anchors. My first SAR that I built was completely stock, and I ran it on the recommended 6 cell nimh pack. After I had the boat completed and had about 6 good runs on it, she went dead in the water at Towne Lake. We retrieved it, and the motor had gotten hot, and the brush holders had softened from the heat and the brushes were not making contact….never again. I was thinking about my usual outrunner brushless, when I remembered I had a brand new MFA 2.5 to 1 380 sized geared motor in my possession. Went with that. After making up a mount and installing the shaft and tube I did a test run on the bench. At full chat, but no load it’spulling 0.07 amps on a 3 cell lipo.😁
    Once that was squared away I used part of the motor mount/radio tray combo to mount the rudder servo, got the rudder mounted, and started to make up the deck houses.
    One nice feature of this kit is that the deck slots into a groove in the hull. There are under deck stringers that are laser cut in the kit, once installed they give the deck a slight beam to beam curve. I used the kit parts to make up the aft coaming and house/hatch, and built up my fwd deckhouse and coming from plasticard. I then built up the wheelhouse using kit components..however, I built the deck and house “inside out”, i.e I’m not using the printed “decking” side as I’m probably going to paint the deck and house vs staining them.
    That’s where I’m at now. I think the wheelhouse, as built looks a little too tall. I might leave it as this is supposed to be a small, River or Great Lakes tug, not an ocean going boat, and in some of the pics I looked up to get an idea of how I wanted her to look, some of the real boats had tallish pilot houses. I might cut it down about a half inch, but haven’t made the choice yet. Once I make that decision I’ll finish up the house and start figuring out details and what job this boats going to have…
    Cash

    💬 Re: Graupner Krabbe Ton 12…the kit, not the boat😁
    21 days ago by 🇺🇸 Chum444 ( Midshipman)
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    Cash,
    I think your approach is the right one. As I mentioned it has to be pleasing to your eye. Your attention to component placement is certainly appropriate; its functional appearance has to be correct. Nothing wrong IMHO to using the best features of several vessels. 👍
    That said, a suggestion.Come up with a distinctive name for the tug; one that is linked to how you built it. Maybe something along the line of COLLAGE or COMBO.😎
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    💬 Re: Graupner Krabbe Ton 12…the kit, not the boat😁
    22 days ago by 🇬🇧 Trident73 ( Warrant Officer)
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    Really interested to watch this one develop Cash. Not least because I have just been handed an old Graupner Ton kit myself by a neighbour clearing his parents old house. In mine the hull and deck are there with some of the other woodwork but there are definitely bits missing, so I may follow your lead. Great job so far! 👍🚢
    💬 Re: Graupner Krabbe Ton 12…the kit, not the boat😁
    22 days ago by 🇺🇸 Cashrc ( Vice Admiral)
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    Bill, I’m getting after it😀 I get stuck sometimes after I get the internals done and the basic shape. I’ll sit and stare at it for a bit thinking, “now what?” It’s not based on any particular boat, sort of a composite of a few boats I liked the look of. Where I’m at now, is I want whatever details I install to be plausible, say the exhaust in the right place, skylights that make sense, you could see that the crewman would take this hatch or companionway to this point….or I’m I just overthinking it?
    Anyway, thanks for the comment. The boat you built up in your pic is very slick sir. I like her!!
    Cash
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    22 days ago by 🇺🇸 Chum444 ( Midshipman)
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    Cash, I love the scent of a bashed or trashed (where only the hull is used) kit. 👍 If it’s not “pleasing to your eye” as it was originally intended as a kit, you’ll never be happy with it. For example, see pics attached.

    First photo-the kit
    Second photo- the build

    Let’er rip!⚡
    💬 Re: Graupner Krabbe Ton 12…the kit, not the boat😁
    23 days ago by 🇺🇸 Isaac ( Midshipman)
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    Cashrc


    I just sent you a PM.


    Here is just the photo of my geared motors.


    Isaac
    💬 Re: Graupner Krabbe Ton 12…the kit, not the boat😁
    23 days ago by 🇺🇸 Cashrc ( Vice Admiral)
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    Alessandro, if you have questions fire away, I’ll answer best I can😁
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    23 days ago by 🇺🇸 Cashrc ( Vice Admiral)
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    Hi Issac. It might depend on what the gears are made of. Do you know who manufactured the motors and or gearboxes? The orange cover on my MFA can be pulled off and the gears lubed if need be, I had the 540 sized unit in my Neptun, only lubed it once and that was it. If it’s very old it might be a Marx motor, I think Graupner sold those in the 70s and early 80s, but I could be mistaken. Message me a pic maybe I can help you figure it out. Knowing the make of the motor or gearbox can help figure out any maintenance or if the motor even needs it.
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    23 days ago by 🇺🇸 Isaac ( Midshipman)
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    general questions about an integral gearbox.


    Do you need to lubricate them?


    I have a really old boat with three motors geared. But short of taking everything apart, there is no access to the internal gears.


    Isaac
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    24 days ago by 🇺🇸 jumpugly ( Commander)
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    Nice Cash! Keep the pix coming!!!
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    25 days ago by 🇮🇹 AlessandroSPQR ( Commodore)
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    Thanks for sharing Cashrc.
    These types of posts, like yours, full of information, explanations and details, are my favorite posts. I love the details when it comes to taking action.
    Optimal! A motor that draws only 70 mA and does its job is a real success (even if idle it is a very good result).


    I have so many questions to ask you but I don't want to bother you too much.
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    25 days ago by 🇩🇪 Wolle ( Commander)
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    Hello Cash

    Since I also built the Tön12 about 25 years ago, I'm excited to see what you do with it.


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