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๐ฌ Re: Constructing 'The Box'
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง Skydive130 ( Rear Admiral)
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I have just taken delivery of this kit, and the joy opening the box and getting that wafting smell of fresh wood, nothing like it!
Having check the excellent quality laser cut wood against the parts list, it seems that the basic box built first is now supplied as 6mm and 5mm ply instead of balsa. Can I presume this is a change to the test kit? I am not worried about the extra weight, less ballast at the end. My only other issue now is trying to source the HobbyKing SK3 840kv motor you have used in your beautiful model as itโs currently out of stock in the Uk and EU, living only 3 miles from HobbyKing UK means I can order and sometimes pick up same day. Does anyone else have an suitable alternative recommendations for the motor if I cannot source an SK3. I could order from HobbyKing in HK as showing in stock, but the postage is high? ▲
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6 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง rolfman2000 ( Warrant Officer)
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Looking forward to more Robbob. Cheers, Dave W ๐
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๐ฌ Constructing 'The Box'
6 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Keep it coming! its looking good
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๐ฌ Assembling the keel & adding bulkhead formers.
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Now Plank on frame really sets my imagination going, I have to say that i am a builder rather than a sailor and get immense pleasure from problem solving and just creating structures.
I will be looking for a suitable subject after the Crash Tender which at the moment is taking some time with fiddly bits that don't seem to advance the the overall vision of the project so apologies for the lack of "blog" Any suggestions? ▲
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5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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Hi Mike.
The majority of Phil Smith's Veron designs were around this principle, just as the Aerokits/KeilKraft designs were based on the 'egg crate' method. Both methods are very successful and popular over the years as many modellers will attest, and the hull can be completed really quite quickly. 'Plank on frame' is probably as common if not more and a great deal more time consuming but far better able to reproduce complex hull shapes. Never tried the latter..perhaps one day. ▲
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๐ฌ Assembling the keel & adding bulkhead formers.
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Looking good although I had not seen the method of building round a box before, it takes some time before the shape of the craft can be seen.
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๐ฌ Assembling the keel & adding bulkhead formers.
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง rolfman2000 ( Warrant Officer)
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Coming along nicely Robbob. As the saying goes "Don't talk to me about balsa bow blocks" ๐ And yes, you don't have to do those yet lol. I may just follow you with one of these to run alongside my original Veron one from 1966/7. Hope they have them for sale soon . Best wishes, Dave W ๐
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๐ฌ Upper & Lower Chines
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Hi Robbob, thanks for the heads up on London Model Engineering Exhibition at 'Ally Pally' in January 2019. I am hoping to be there, Just to see your masterpiece !
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5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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Hi Doug.
All credit due to Phil Smith and his original design for that actually... Hi rolfman2000 I hope SWMBO is good to her word as I happen to know that the kit is now available to buy from Vintage Model Works ๐๐ I'm told the price is ยฃ185.00 + P&P and there's also an optional stand/carrying box which is CNC cut to the hull profile for an additional ยฃ10.00 That sounds a bit of a bargain too. Contact Mike Cummings at VMW for more information: ▲
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๐ฌ Upper & Lower Chines
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง rolfman2000 ( Warrant Officer)
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Oh how this brings memories flooding back from 50 years ago, seeing the same construction as my original Veron Police launch (that's sat in the garage), going together. I bet the fit is a darned sight better than it was all those years ago, what with cad laser cut pieces and cad designs as well. I'm following this with even more interest, as I have permission of SWMBO to get the new bigger kit when it becomes available. Fingers crossed, not long now. Keep the installments coming Robbob. Best wishes, Dave W ๐
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๐ฌ Upper & Lower Chines
5 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Simple Rob,
Instead of attempting some almost impossible bends of thin (0.5mmx5mm )planks, I'll cut it out of 3 interlocking pieces (each side) of 1.5mm mahog sheet. Will probably end up looking more like it would have been done on an original ๐ Cheers, Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Upper & Lower Chines
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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Hi Doug.
Not sure how I've helped you out with your caprail but thanks for the compliment ๐. Mike. The boat gets a lot heavier once the ply skins and planking goes on, I hope it doesn't need balasting as there's not too many places to hide it away ๐ค. ▲
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๐ฌ Upper & Lower Chines
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Thats coming on nicely and as you say it looks quite a rigid construction. How much of a bonus is a lightweight construction V an all ply construction as I assume you may have to put some ballast in the finished model. not thtat I have any experience on the subject
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๐ฌ Upper & Lower Chines
5 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Excellent Rob๐
Thanks for showing me how to make the mahogany caprail for my cutter ๐ "More power to your chines"๐ Cheers Doug ๐ ▲
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๐ฌ Stern & keel formers
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง rolfman2000 ( Warrant Officer)
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As Doug has said, thanks for some excellent tips and tricks. The hull is coming along nicely now, and I will assume that skinning is not far away now. Keeping my fingers crossed for one last update before Christmas. Thanks very much Robbob. Looking forward to the next chapter. Best wishes, Dave W ๐
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5 years ago by ๐ฉ๐ช RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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Good stuff Both, excellent tips n tricks ๐๐๐
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๐ฌ Stern & keel formers
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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I have found as you have that gluing your abrasive paper to a wooden block is far better than wrapping and making sure all the bulkheads and other skin supports are at the correct angle can make a real difference to the line of the hull, only noticeable when looking down the length of the hull when painted and that's too late to change things. I also make a number of different shaped sanding blocks/sticks down to using the coffee sticks with abrasives stuck to then for getting into difficult areas.
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๐ฌ Fitting the side skins.
5 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ Joe727 ( Commander)
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Robbob,
Looking back again on some of your earlier posts, I see the plywood skinning that you did. I will be doing this on a future build as I am not the best at planking a hull. Your reference to HEATING THE PLYWOOD is a great tip, I have never tried that. Thanks, Joe ▲
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๐ฌ Internal wiring & bottom skins
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Rob, if all is OK maybe you have proved different to the current thinking, I hope so, because as you know electrics is complicated enough without having to consider the length of the wire, I'm happy if the bulb lights up, that's an achievement!!
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5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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Hi Mike.
All the wiring is in place, it's not too late to alter it and the placements but it just creates more problems than it solves, I respect Alan's opinion and words of caution but I hope that his concerns are unfounded. I'll take the risk.๐ Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Internal wiring & bottom skins
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Hi Rob, I'm really pleased to see construction detail, I suppose in preference to a finished boat, you may ask why? well looking at your pictures, the last two in particular they show the precision of your woodworking skills with a distinct absence of any filler, really nice. Looking at the first picture (top view) is there any reason why the battery and ECS can't go in front and behind the motor addressing the issue of short wiring runs (not that I have a clue about wiring and electronics)
PS. however it looks like its too late as some wiring is already installed and by now the skins are probably on now Keep up the good work ▲
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๐ฌ Internal wiring & bottom skins
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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Hi Alan.
Thanks for the cautionary comments. Placing the battery up front is the only practical location and I'm using 12 SWG wire so current handling won't be a problem but inductance could be a factor. I could fit a ferrite ring but that would only help to suppress any RF noise so there's not much more I can really do other than put the ESC up front too but that would mean re-plumbing the water cooling and the motor wires too. I'm gonna have to trust my luck on that score ๐ค. Best Wishes. Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Internal wiring & bottom skins
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง ukengineman ( Leading Seaman)
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Hi Rob, the Police Launch is coming along nicely. I see that you have long leads from the battery to the ESC. The general rule is that these leads should be kept as short as possible to minimize voltage spikes caused by the fast switching currents and the inductance of the leads. Brushless ESC's have large capacitors, often visible at the end to absorb the transients. You may well get away with it but the life of the ESC could be reduced.
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๐ฌ Internal wiring & bottom skins
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง rolfman2000 ( Warrant Officer)
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Thanks for that mate. I was just a bit worried about access space, and didn't realise how big the rear compartment is on this BIGGER police launch. Cheers, Dave W ๐
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๐ฌ Internal wiring & bottom skins
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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There's plenty of access to fit the rudder tube at this stage because the deck skins have not gone on yet, and I still have fairly nimble fingers ๐ ๐
I'm generally following the kit instructions but I have sufficient experience to 'plot my own course' and deviate from them to achieve the same or better result. A great deal of thought and forward planning goes on when I build anything so I don't usually 'paint myself into a corner' so to speak. Here's a 'sneaky peek' (see pics) at the rudder and servo location that I'll cover in detail in the blog shortly. Happy Crimbo to you and yours ๐ ๐ โ๏ธ Robbob. ▲
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๐ฌ Internal wiring & bottom skins
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง rolfman2000 ( Warrant Officer)
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Hi Robbob, it's great to watch this coming along space, and the hull seems nearly there. But I notice no mention of the rudder post being fitted, and now the bottom skins are in place, the access has just gotten a whole lot harder. is this "as per the instructions" ? Or your own decision made from experience ? I'm afraid I would have at least fitted the rudder tube, as my rather large hands will have a hard time getting in later on. Kindest wishes to you and yours for the Christmas season, and a prosperous New Year, from UK family Weaver ๐
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๐ฌ Re: Decks & hatches.
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง drspock ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Hi Rob,
Only just seen this.Will look into how you did it. Many thanks. Doc. ▲
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4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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Hi Doc.
The battery is actually installed within 'the box' and is hidden inside a separate box that forms the control panel and steering wheel. You will see later in my blog how I did this. The wires from the battery and 'steering wheel' power switch do run beneath the floor to the stern and connect to the fuse and ESC. Mike Turpin (mturpin013)has very cleverly installed some 'conduits' in his boat that will make running the wires through much easier, something that I wished I'd thought of ๐ค Rob. ▲
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๐ฌ Re: Decks & hatches.
4 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง drspock ( Petty Officer 1st Class)
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Hi Rob,
Can you confirm that you installed the battery in the bow beneath your hatch cover,with the wiring running inside the bottom skins? I had thought of adding a removable false panel to F2, to accommodate it. Cheers, Doc ▲
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๐ฌ Decks & hatches.
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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Forward planning is essential to me and that's probably why it takes me so long to build stuff, about 75% thinking about it and 25% doing it!
Ever heard of the 6 P's ? Propper Planning Prevents P*** Poor Performance Or..'Failing to plan is planning to fail' I still make mastakes though...lots ๐ Edit: Just seen my typo above...oops. ▲
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๐ฌ Decks & hatches.
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Forward thinking, that's a must for this hobby as you can always guarantee that the designers don't always think of everything. (I suppose that's why VM have asked you to trial it)
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๐ฌ The bow blocks & outer keel
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง cenbeth ( Chief Petty Officer 1st Class)
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I read somewhere that if you diagonally plank a hull that can give you concave hulls. I have never done this but would be interested to hear from people who have.
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5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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Michael.
I think the reason for the balsa block method is that you can really only bend ply in one plane effectively, to produce the bow shape of this boat would entail the ply being contorted in two planes, one concave and one convex, to form the compound curve and even with thin 1.5mm ply you just can't do that easily. The crash tender bow is just a convex bend. Thus the balsa block method becomes the only way to achieve the shape and to be honest it's not that difficult to do with care and patience. ▲
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๐ฌ The bow blocks & outer keel
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง mturpin013 ( Admiral)
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Missed this one yesterday! what a credit to your workmanship a brilliant job. Your decision to replace the keel with ply I think was a good one, balsa although it would be glassed would still not be as strong.
Not seeing the boat in real life can I ask the question why they decided to use a block rather than curving the ply skins round as the crash tender is. Although skinning may be more difficult, the end profile is a given, but having to profile a balsa block I would suggest is more difficult. Any thoughts? not having done a balsa bow myself ▲
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๐ฌ The bow blocks & outer keel
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง robbob ( Admiral)
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Hi samc.
I'm just writing the blog entry for the hull glassing process and I'll detail the material and process, it's very much the same as the I did on my 46" RAF Crash Tender blog, see here: ▲
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๐ฌ The bow blocks & outer keel
5 years ago by ๐บ๐ธ samc ( Master Seaman)
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hello i'm trying to epoxy finish on my dumas CC commander and having a hard time getting a smooth surface each time try to put on a coat. it comes out wavy and not even. have tried foam and reg brushes, auto body spreader, try a foam roller, better it was even but not smooth
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๐ฌ The bow blocks & outer keel
5 years ago by ๐ฌ๐ง rolfman2000 ( Warrant Officer)
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This was the part I had been waiting for. As I was only 12 when I made mine, my Uncle Cyril was given the job of shaping, and he made a right pigs arse out of it. I had to do a lot of filling and sanding to correct it. I notice you had the "glad it's over" reaction. I reckon my reaction will be very similar. Thanks for sharing Robbob. ๐
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