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    Jervis Bay
    by davidhgreatbatch ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง ( Warrant Officer)
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    ๐Ÿ“ Jervis Bay
    1 month ago by davidhgreatbatch ( Warrant Officer)
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    Scratch building Jervis Bay Pre War period. Still work required to finish her.
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    1 month ago by Cashrc ( Captain)
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    Sheโ€™s absolutely gorgeous David. Scratch built? Serious skills there sir. Top notch! Like Doug, if itโ€™s okay with you Iโ€™d like to see her internals too.
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    1 month ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Mon plaisir Rowen ๐Ÿ˜‰
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    1 month ago by Rowen ( Commander)
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    Thanks Doug, nice to read the full story
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Jervis Bay
    1 month ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Absolutely Nerys ๐Ÿ‘
    Rowen,
    the report of Beaverford's alleged regard action lasting 4 to 5 hours appeared in a Canadian magazine, Canada's Weekly, some 4 years after the event and were not corroborated by the ship's logs of either Admiral Scheer or the freighter Fresno City which witnessed the sinking of Beaverford from 10 miles. Both ships had fled south when Capt. Fegen had ordered the convoy to scatter. Fresno City was also sunk shortly after Beaverford.
    HMS Jervis Bay was an Armed Merchant Cruiser with eight 6" guns and lasted less than 1 hour against the Scheer, Beaverford was 'only' a DEMS, Defensively Equipped Merchant Ship, fitted with one 4" on the stern and one 3" on the bow. No comparison to the armament of Jervis Bay so how would she manage to survive so much longer?
    According to the logs of Admiral Sheer and Fresno City, and the timing of the sinking of Jervis Bay and Beaverford a 4 - 5 hour regard action was not possible.

    "Beaverford had fled south, but Scheer caught her up and illuminated her with starshell. Beaverford transmitted a final wireless message: "It is our turn now. So long. The captain and crew of SS Beaverford".
    Scheer fired 83 shells at Beaverford. 71 were from its 150 mm guns, with 16 hitting the freighter, and 12 were from the cruiser's 280 mm main guns, with three hits. The shelling was observed and recorded in the log aboard the freighter Fresno City, ten miles off and also fleeing south. Beaverford was badly damaged, but the cargo of timber on her deck kept her afloat, and to save ammunition Scheer's commander, KzS (Kapitรคn zur See ๐Ÿ˜Ž) Theodor Krancke, ordered that she be finished off with a torpedo. The torpedo hit the fore part of Beaverford, lifting her bow and detonating the ammunition in her hold. The ship blew apart and the stern was last seen sliding into the ocean. All aboard were killed.

    It was now completely dark, but Scheer went on to find and sink one more ship, Fresno City, from which the attack on Beaverford had been observed an hour before. Admiral Scheer sank six of the 38 ships from the convoy. "

    "SS Beaverford Recognition
    In 1944 an article supposedly based on accounts from one of the other ships in Convoy HX 84 was written by Norman Mackintosh, published in the magazine Canada's Weekly and republished in the Evening Standard in London which praised the sacrifice of Beaverford: "For more than four hours she was afloat, followed by the raider, firing and fighting to the last. Using the big reserve of engine power for speed, and superb seamanship for steering and manoeuvering to baffle and evade the enemy's aim, for all that time she held her own, hit by shells but firing back and delaying the raider hour by hour while the rest of the convoy made their escape."

    However, given that the convoy ships were scattering in all directions, it is unlikely that anyone on another ship could have reliably seen all of this. The story is also contradicted by the account Scheer's captain wrote after the war. Krancke paid generous tribute to the courage of Jervis Bay, and of a small burning freighter that fired back just before she sank (this must have been Kenbane Head). But he did not mention any battle with Beaverford, which he records only as a ship carrying a deck cargo of timber that Scheer caught up with as it fled at speed far to the south of the main action. When finally caught, Beaverford proved hard to sink by gunfire, and was therefore torpedoed to save ammunition.

    The sinking of Beaverford was witnessed from Fresno City, also fleeing south. Her captain's log recorded: "The Beaverford, bearing 110 degrees East South East was attacked and set on fire, distant about 10 miles". There is no mention of any fight or any return fire from Beaverford, and far from being a four or five hour battle, Beaverford was attacked only 50 minutes after Kenbane Head and about an hour before Scheer caught up with Fresno City. There was no time for any such battle.

    Some writers complain that Beaverford received no official recognition for its role in the battle, but that may be because the story only emerged years later, and is unsupported by credible evidence. "
    'Using the big reserve of engine power for speed ...' - hardly credible; Scheer could make 28 knots, Beaverford only 15. Apart from which, Scheer had radar controlled guns so 'superb seamanship for steering and manoeuvering' wouldn't have helped Beaverford much.
    Cheers All, Happy Easter, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
    AKA FLEET ๐Ÿ˜‰
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    1 month ago by Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Thank you Doug for your remarks. One source I looked at said the Jervis Bay was owned by P & O, and the yellow funnel pointed to that as well, but the name should have told me that she was one of the 'Bay' ships built for the Australians.

    Yes, I was going on eight at the time of the engagement, but I surprise myself sometimes when I find I have recall of many WW2 actions.

    Cheers, Nerys
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    1 month ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Thank you Nerys ๐Ÿ˜‰
    Ah knowed that that name rang a bell!
    So I looked up my archives, and then checked for any updates:-
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Jervis_Bay
    Actually she was built for the Australian Govt. Commonwealth Line and later sold to the White Star Line. Where she sailed under a subsidiary line flag 'Aberdeen and Commonwealth Line'.
    'Grabbed' (OK Requisitioned๐Ÿ™„) by the RN she was fitted with eight 1898 pattern 6" guns (some sources say 7 but that makes no sense as she could apparently fire 4 gun broadsides!), and two 3" of 1894 vintage.
    Attached a pic of her as an Armed Merchant Cruiser in early 1940 at Dakar while attached to the South Atlantic Station, starboard forward 6" mount clearly visible.
    Captain Fegen had previously commanded various destroyers and light cruisers.
    Curiously also, while seconded to the RAN, served as Exec Officer of a Shore Establishment at Jervis Bay NSW!!
    You musta bin about seven when this action around convoy HX84 was going on.
    Before (slightly ๐Ÿ˜) my time.
    Thanks for jogging my memory ref the ship's name.
    Cheers, Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    1 month ago by Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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    There is no real evidence that the Beaverford actually engaged the Admiral Scheer. There was a report that she did so for about three hours, but there was no evidence of this and reports from the Admiral Scheer, found after the war, say that she scattered with the rest of the convoy and was subsequently caught and attacked. She was badly damaged, but a part cargo of timber kept her afloat until a torpedo from the Admiral Scheer, detonated ammunition cargo in a forward hold. The engagement was watched by another ship, the Fresno City, who herself was later sunk by the Scheer, however as far as I know, there were no other ships in the convoy sunk by the Scheer.

    Nerys
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    1 month ago by Rowen ( Commander)
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    Very much so. The other vessel involved was the C.P. cargo ship Beaverford. She was lost in the same endeavour but never got the recognition.
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    1 month ago by Nerys ( Fleet Admiral)
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    That's a lovely model of a historic ship. The name Jervis Bay immediately makes me remember the armed merchant cruiser HMS Jervis Bay. The P &O liner was requisitioned by the Admiralty in 1939 and fitted with seven ancient six inch guns. In November 1940 she was escorting a convoy of 38 ships, when she sighted the German Pocket Battleship Admiral Scheer. She turned to engage the the enemy, allowing her convoy to scatter and escape, but was overcome and sunk. Her Captain, Captain Fagen, was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross. I am old enough to remember this news being broadcast.

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    1 month ago by Colin H ( Vice Admiral)
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    That's one lovely model, what scale is it, it looks to be quite fine, will she be crewed.
    Cheers Colin.
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    1 month ago by Peejay ( Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class)
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    Sheโ€™s lovely. Is there a story behind picking that particular ship to model?
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    ๐Ÿ’ฌ Re: Jervis Bay
    1 month ago by RNinMunich ( Fleet Admiral)
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    Excellent job Davidโ˜€๏ธโ˜€๏ธโ˜€๏ธ๐Ÿ‘
    Another superb addition to your fabulous fleet.
    Any chance of some detail and pics of the internal workings?
    Dimensions?
    I trust that you will be filling her with 'the little people' to bring her to life, like your MV Overchurch.๐Ÿ˜‰
    All the best and Happy Easter,
    Doug ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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